Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Dear Sri Amar Puriji, Namasthe.Prior to the Conf, I had asked the Professor, whether during the conf, I could also invoke sutras of VA, whereever SA is silent on the said themes.The Prtofessor was truly magnanimous and said, I was free to invoke the VA sutras, where I felt the need for the same. However, as I started speaking, I found, I was running out of time, so I byepassed the VA sutras, but adhered closely to the SA. In the Prof's SA, he does not, need the Gunas, or the Nakshatras, or even this understanding of the D,A,K and M spheres; since the SA has arisen out of a response to the world's Qs.As the world is obsessed with A and K, in the present age, there was no reason for the Prof. to cover the D and M spheres-as no one came to him, with these kind of Qs.But there are enough sutras in the SA, in spite of its focussing on the A and K spheres;which give lovely insights into the spiritual life as well.And I have used these SA sutras in my applications. In VA, the IVH, VH and IXH are considered sattvic and the planets Ju, Su and the Mo are considered also Sattvic.These are also accepted as such by the Prof in the SA; so far as I have been able to infer.In VA, Ma Ve and Me are considered Rajasic, while Sa, Ra, Ke and sometimes Ma are considered Tamasic. Thanks for the kind words. Best Regards Sankara On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 Amar Puri wrote : > Dear Shri Sankara Bhagavadpada, > > Hare Krishna. > > Your kind explainations of D,A,K and M are revealed > exactly as per the > authoritative Vedic Scripture and I offer my best > thanks to you for same > posting it on the list for the benefit of people like > me. > > Now, I humbly approach you with the request to kindly > explain further which > Houses rule and govern the activities of the Three > Gunas (Modes of Material > Nature) viz Satto, Rajoo and Tamoo Gunas respectively. > > Thank you kindly again for your enlightenment. > > With my best regards...............Amar Puri. > > > > " Sankara Bhagavadpada " > <sankarapada > > > > > >Answered Qs- Glimpses of the SA Conf > >16 Apr 2006 01:20:53 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Sri VyasMunidas, > > > >Namasthe.The abbreviations:A,K,D and M, stand for the > following > >Purusharthas in a Hindu Society-originally, that is: > >A-Artha-the Hs:IIH, VIH, and the XH-Vocational Hs; > >K-Kama-the Spheres of the IIIH, VIIH and the XIH; > >D-Dharma Hs-IH, VH and the IXH; > >M-Moksha Hs-IVH, VIIIH and the XIIH.D and M are > Spiritual spheres, while A > >and K are spheres in which a greater part of Humanity > is travelling in the > >present Age.This is the reason, Prof.Choudhry, > developed the SA, for the > >spheres of Artha and Kama.Kama would mean, family life, > enjoyment, comforts > >and luxuries,pleasure seeking.Kama is again the Hs of > desire and its > >fulfillment, but the IIIH and the XIH, carry the > " Will-Power " of the Divine > >Mother-which is so necessary for achievement.Without > the thrust of this > >will power, no achievement is possible.Hence, the > appelation, " Kama " should > >not mislead us.There are two pictures in my > Power-Point Presentation, which > >throw light on these four spheres of Life:A,K,D and > M.One picture for > >ancient Hindu Society, another for contemporary > Society. > > > >Thanks also for your kind words. > >Best Regards > >Sankara > > > > > >On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 Vyas Munidas wrote : > > > Dear Professor and Mr Bhagavadpada, > > > Thank you both for sharing so much about the > > > conference. God willing and > > > circumstance permitting, I'll be at the next one. > > > I have a question related to the sutras document > > > recently posted. Please if > > > you will, enlighten me/us what D & M, and A & K > > > are: > > > " If strong spiritual planets in the D & M > > > spheres are not present in the > > > chart; then the strong afflictions and weaknesses of > > > the planets in the A & > > > K spheres; may only serve to " drown and trap " > > > the individual in a life of > > > struggle, confining the individual to the A & K > > > spheres. > > > " If on the other hand, when strong afflictions > > > and weaknesses of the A & K > > > lords co-exist side by side with strong D & M Lords; > > > then we have the best > > > illustration of the highest spiritual life, > > > characterized by all the higher > > > significations of the strong D and M lords. This > may be > > > called the Nivritti > > > Marga[N]. > > > " However, if strong spiritual potentials, in the > > > form of strong D & M Lords > > > co-exist with strong A & K Lords as well; then we > > > have a mixture of > > > Nivritti[N] and Pravritti[P] in that spiritual life. > > > That is, in this case, > > > while the individual is spiritual, he also has > > > involvement in the world and > > > may also in such cases, enjoy success in the worldly > > > sphere as well. " > > > Best regards, > > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > > > " Sankara Bhagavadpada " < > > > sankarapada > > > > > > Cc: <siha > > > Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:40 PM > > > Glimpses of the SA Conf > > > Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach > > > at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th & > > > 9th ¢06. > > > Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers, > > > Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over > the > > > last weekend and > > > thought it would be good to share some of my > blessings > > > with fellow SA > > > Astrologers, who for various reasons have been > unable > > > to attend this Conf in > > > person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and > > > unconsciously equates success > > > with bigger numbers! You could even say that being > in > > > the grip of maya, > > > quantity always impresses us rather than quality. > The > > > SA Conf has been > > > unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought > it > > > will be a worthwhile > > > lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its > > > virtues, now that we have > > > been through it fully. > > > #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 > > > participants and were able > > > to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with > > > the weight of an overt > > > or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the > > > numbers turned out to be > > > a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & > > > drowned' in a sea of > > > anonymity, as happens invariably in large > gatherings- > > > except in those happy > > > situations when a close circle of old-friends or > family > > > bestows upon us the > > > warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner > or an > > > Indian, everyone > > > must have definitely felt very secure at this SA > Conf. > > > Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as > > > though you were in a modern > > > European retreat center, but with the serene > > > atmosphere of an > > > establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf > verandah as > > > well as restaurant > > > were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & > > > could not have > > > chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the > wheels > > > of learning' of the > > > Systems Approach. > > > Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: > > > There were three American delegates > > > and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor > the > > > Indian delegates felt > > > that participants belonged to different cultures. > Dr. > > > Shayn Smith, President > > > of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan > Miller, > > > President of the IIPA > > > Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, > > > mixed freely with the Indian > > > delegates and this was also reciprocated and the > only > > > difficulty for the > > > American delegates could have been the heat of > > > Delhi, as that was just > > > beginning its peak period. 's, > > > Smt.Kiranji's and Sri > > > Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I > > > could see- put our > > > American SA Astrologers completely at ease. > > > #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of > > > numbers giving us the > > > comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already > > > begun on the 7th Apr > > > itself; when had begun talking to > > > Dr. Shayn Smith in the > > > lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality > to > > > it, for it was the > > > creation of whose attitude to life > was > > > such that, life is > > > best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with > > > the movement of life, > > > knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. > The > > > 'family atmosphere' > > > created a very welcome feeling and no participant > > > refrained from the joy of > > > joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the > > > atmosphere was evident > > > to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it > > > became an enjoyable 'Indian > > > Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, > in > > > a spirit of warm > > > support & sharing. > > > #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a > > > beautiful and sincere message > > > from the President of the > > > American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only > > > wished how much nicer it > > > would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as > Mr. > > > Jo Cohen[from France] > > > were also with us that morning. I could sense the > > > commitment of Mr. David > > > Hawthorne to the SA and to . > > > #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, > > > briefly summed up the > > > history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his > > > personality, even > > > shared with us the fact that in the early years of > the > > > SA, when it was still > > > unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the > > > predictions in the > > > beginning. Here was an example of a truly great > Master > > > of his discipline > > > whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same > > > with his fellow > > > travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some > power > > > & position. He > > > shocked us by telling us that some bright IT > engineers > > > needed no more than > > > 16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and > this > > > took them only some > > > two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per > > > week. > > > An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling > > > example of a difficult > > > astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, > > > before us, in the course > > > of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur > royal > > > family was occupied by > > > dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also > > > being hand in glove; the > > > legal owners of that royal premises, who were now > > > ousted, also did not have > > > any possibility of taking the case to the Police. > All > > > knew that anyone who > > > dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial > > > residence, was walking into > > > the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, > the > > > head of the family > > > put the following question to the Prof. " Here is > > > my horoscope and those of > > > my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into > the > > > occupied palace, > > > risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring > > > back the property into > > > our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who > has > > > to play the role of > > > the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent > > > to the variables of > > > courage & longevity, was able to > > > nominate the hero! Such is > > > the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its > > > creator. > > > #5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other > > > mind-boggling questions put > > > before by his clients were also > shared. > > > In one instance, the > > > only child of certain parents had to go in for an > > > emergency brain-surgery > > > during the last week of March, 2006, near about the > day > > > of the eclipse. The > > > question was, whether the emergency surgery could be > > > performed on the > > > eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the > > > surgeon was not even > > > prepared to give a guarantee that the operation > would > > > restore the child to > > > normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the > operation > > > could be performed on > > > the so-called dreaded day and that it would be > > > successful. In arriving at > > > this verdict, explained how he had > used > > > the SA sutra > > > pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There > was a > > > third example of a > > > 'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, > > > whether it would be > > > propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on > > > the eclipse day? The Prof > > > revealed the predictive power of the SA by > mentioning > > > each of these 'hard > > > problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous > light on > > > how one should > > > actually proceed in such baffling matters in which > the > > > stakes were high. > > > Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart > in > > > which the lord of the > > > VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP > Me, > > > in the deadly sign > > > Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in > > > question, not heeding the > > > warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she > lost > > > $ 1,000,000 in a > > > single day's speculative move. > > > #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry > stressed > > > the importance of > > > adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as > > > an essential mandate for > > > all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined > > > performance of remedial > > > measures was also driven home & beautifully > > > illustrated in the case of an > > > individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, > wife > > > & children and > > > returned back only after the wife had been > performing > > > remedial measures for > > > her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a > > > prolonged period of 4 yrs. > > > Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial > > > measures was brought to > > > the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that > > > while the Rahu remedial > > > measures may be applied to birds other than crows in > > > foreign lands; remedial > > > measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a > > > reliable substitute in > > > modern alien cultures. > > > #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the > > > sphere of medical > > > astrology, revealed the pattern of > > > simplicity in all fevers > > > and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 > > > days as they were caused by > > > the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke > > > respectively over the Asdt > > > variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become > > > stationary, then the '21 day > > > fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a > > > prolongation with the onset > > > of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the > > > simplicity of the SA insight. > > > #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened > > > that delegates took the > > > discussions out of the Conf room and with them for > > > lunch & dinner, since > > > was with us right through. The light > he > > > threw on the future > > > of India was very interesting. When I asked him > whether > > > communism has a > > > future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was > > > that at the center, > > > there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but > > > that the question of > > > this ideology at the level of the states, must be > > > separately seen to. He > > > drew attention to the role of Me in the IT > revolution > > > that is currently > > > underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH > > > of communication & the > > > placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined > > > the educated > > > intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual > > > vocations. In Prof. > > > Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a > bright > > > future, since the Su & > > > the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When > > > somebody put the question > > > for remedial measures for the country, he maintained > > > that remedial measures > > > will definitely help the country. Light was also > thrown > > > on the whole > > > question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of > the > > > famous actor Sri. > > > Amitabh Bacchan. > > > #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on > various > > > charts continued > > > outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among > the > > > delegates themselves > > > and also with throughout the course > of > > > the 4 or 5 days. > > > Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a > > > few 'enigmatic charts', > > > in which the trouble or misfortune was not > straightaway > > > visible in the Rasi > > > chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, > no > > > chart can remain > > > enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very > > > reassuring sutra! > > > #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great > joy > > > in repeated > > > discussions with , I had much pleasure > > > either in discussing > > > charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, > Smt. > > > Kiranji, then with all > > > three American delegates & with the astrologers: > > > Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri. > > > Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, > > > Sri Jagadesh Sethi, > > > Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman > Deep > > > Saini, Sri. Samarth > > > and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as > well. > > > #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, > > > especially since Prof & > > > his full family joined us & the opportunity was > > > opened to us once more to > > > learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs > with > > > the Prof. All Indian > > > delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had > > > that SA 'family feeling' > > > and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of > > > continuous learning, without > > > any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA > > > astrologers. A sumptuous > > > lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at > > > Mughal Sheraton went very > > > well with the regal splendour of the Taj! > > > #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first > day > > > asked > > > me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA > > > sutras, which I had > > > already gathered together as pertinent for the > > > spiritual life in the spheres > > > of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the > > > latest SA sutra on > > > 'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared > > > for the first time in the > > > latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II > > > & III Hs enjoy a > > > 'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. > > > There was much > > > discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came > > > spectacularly to life, when > > > commented on the chart of the > present US > > > President, Mr. > > > George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the > IIIH > > > lord Me functions > > > like the Su & has been responsible for his > > > Presidentship & victory in > > > political battles. The IIIH lord influences the > Asdt in > > > this case & the Asdt > > > lord is also placed in the IIIH. > > > #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the > > > following day I gave a > > > power point presentation on the Systems Approach in > the > > > spheres of Dharma & > > > Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. > > > Rajeshji have been kind > > > enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I > > > feel grateful. As this > > > PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 > odd > > > SA sutras have also > > > come on the net, more need not be said about them, > in > > > this bulletin. I have > > > mainly tried to cover the insights given by Prof. > > > Choudhry at this Conf, but > > > what I have mentioned is in many respects, > incomplete. > > > #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: > > > Smt.Kiranji, Smt. > > > Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. > Sloane > > > Johnson, Dr(Mrs) > > > Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other > > > Hindu mothers & spouses > > > of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely > added a > > > fullness & greater > > > balance to the whole Conf and in this family > > > gathering we were witnessing > > > one of the best values of the ancient Hindu > > > civilization, which is respect > > > for women in their various stations in life, as a > > > mother, as a wife, as a > > > sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc. > > > #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , > for > > > your inimitable wisdom > > > & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such > > > a strong support & > > > companion in the life of ; thank you > Sri. > > > Rajeshji, for your > > > pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless > > > service. Thank you Smt. > > > Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into > > > the Prof's family & we felt > > > so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who > is > > > destined to carry > > > forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the > > > blessings of profound > > > learning & not just that, we have been recipients > > > of the magnanimous > > > hospitality of & his entire family. > > > Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & > > > Ms. Sloane Johnson for > > > being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of > > > our ancient Hindu culture. > > > Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. > With > > > so many planets > > > placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be > > > able to free herself of > > > her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is > saying > > > all this, at that! > > > Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open > and > > > friendly approach > > > and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in > which > > > there was never a > > > necessity to play any games. Thank you all for > drinking > > > the waters of SA > > > knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . > > > May he and his family > > > be always there for us, to show us the way. May God > be > > > pleased with us all! > > > Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are > > > grateful to our Masters Amma > > > & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the > > > blessings of my other > > > beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. > > > Because of their blessings, > > > we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to > > > know , and > > > his wonderful families: small and large. > > > Kind Regards, > > > Sincerely yours > > > Sankara Bhagavadpada > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Thank you immensely Shri Sankara Bhagavadapada Ji for your kind explaination. Kindly allow me further to ask for your grace out of my inquisitiveness to describe in a text message or in a picture form from your power-point presentation during the Conf. which throw light on these four spheres of Life:A,K,D and M. One picture for ancient Hindu Society, another for contemporary Society for the benefit of us all on this form. With my best regards............................Amar Puri. > " Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada > > >CC: absolutefinancial| > SA on the Gunas? >16 Apr 2006 03:07:13 -0000 > > >Dear Sri Amar Puriji, > >Namasthe.Prior to the Conf, I had asked the Professor, whether during the >conf, I could also invoke sutras of VA, whereever SA is silent on the said >themes.The Prtofessor was truly magnanimous and said, I was free to invoke >the VA sutras, where I felt the need for the same. > >However, as I started speaking, I found, I was running out of time, so I >byepassed the VA sutras, but adhered closely to the SA. > >In the Prof's SA, he does not, need the Gunas, or the Nakshatras, or even >this understanding of the D,A,K and M spheres; since the SA has arisen out >of a response to the world's Qs.As the world is obsessed with A and K, in >the present age, there was no reason for the Prof. to cover the D and M >spheres-as no one came to him, with these kind of Qs.But there are enough >sutras in the SA, in spite of its focussing on the A and K spheres;which >give lovely insights into the spiritual life as well.And I have used these >SA sutras in my applications. >In VA, the IVH, VH and IXH are considered sattvic and the planets Ju, Su >and the Mo are considered also Sattvic.These are also accepted as such by >the Prof in the SA; so far as I have been able to infer.In VA, Ma Ve and Me >are considered Rajasic, while Sa, Ra, Ke and sometimes Ma are considered >Tamasic. >Thanks for the kind words. >Best Regards >Sankara > >On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 Amar Puri wrote : > > Dear Shri Sankara Bhagavadpada, > > > > Hare Krishna. > > > > Your kind explainations of D,A,K and M are revealed > > exactly as per the > > authoritative Vedic Scripture and I offer my best > > thanks to you for same > > posting it on the list for the benefit of people like > > me. > > > > Now, I humbly approach you with the request to kindly > > explain further which > > Houses rule and govern the activities of the Three > > Gunas (Modes of Material > > Nature) viz Satto, Rajoo and Tamoo Gunas respectively. > > > > Thank you kindly again for your enlightenment. > > > > With my best regards...............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > " Sankara Bhagavadpada " > > <sankarapada > > > > > > > > >Answered Qs- Glimpses of the SA Conf > > >16 Apr 2006 01:20:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > >Dear Sri VyasMunidas, > > > > > >Namasthe.The abbreviations:A,K,D and M, stand for the > > following > > >Purusharthas in a Hindu Society-originally, that is: > > >A-Artha-the Hs:IIH, VIH, and the XH-Vocational Hs; > > >K-Kama-the Spheres of the IIIH, VIIH and the XIH; > > >D-Dharma Hs-IH, VH and the IXH; > > >M-Moksha Hs-IVH, VIIIH and the XIIH.D and M are > > Spiritual spheres, while A > > >and K are spheres in which a greater part of Humanity > > is travelling in the > > >present Age.This is the reason, Prof.Choudhry, > > developed the SA, for the > > >spheres of Artha and Kama.Kama would mean, family life, > > enjoyment, comforts > > >and luxuries,pleasure seeking.Kama is again the Hs of > > desire and its > > >fulfillment, but the IIIH and the XIH, carry the > > " Will-Power " of the Divine > > >Mother-which is so necessary for achievement.Without > > the thrust of this > > >will power, no achievement is possible.Hence, the > > appelation, " Kama " should > > >not mislead us.There are two pictures in my > > Power-Point Presentation, which > > >throw light on these four spheres of Life:A,K,D and > > M.One picture for > > >ancient Hindu Society, another for contemporary > > Society. > > > > > >Thanks also for your kind words. > > >Best Regards > > >Sankara > > > > > > > > >On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 Vyas Munidas wrote : > > > > Dear Professor and Mr Bhagavadpada, > > > > Thank you both for sharing so much about the > > > > conference. God willing and > > > > circumstance permitting, I'll be at the next one. > > > > I have a question related to the sutras document > > > > recently posted. Please if > > > > you will, enlighten me/us what D & M, and A & K > > > > are: > > > > " If strong spiritual planets in the D & M > > > > spheres are not present in the > > > > chart; then the strong afflictions and weaknesses of > > > > the planets in the A & > > > > K spheres; may only serve to " drown and trap " > > > > the individual in a life of > > > > struggle, confining the individual to the A & K > > > > spheres. > > > > " If on the other hand, when strong afflictions > > > > and weaknesses of the A & K > > > > lords co-exist side by side with strong D & M Lords; > > > > then we have the best > > > > illustration of the highest spiritual life, > > > > characterized by all the higher > > > > significations of the strong D and M lords. This > > may be > > > > called the Nivritti > > > > Marga[N]. > > > > " However, if strong spiritual potentials, in the > > > > form of strong D & M Lords > > > > co-exist with strong A & K Lords as well; then we > > > > have a mixture of > > > > Nivritti[N] and Pravritti[P] in that spiritual life. > > > > That is, in this case, > > > > while the individual is spiritual, he also has > > > > involvement in the world and > > > > may also in such cases, enjoy success in the worldly > > > > sphere as well. " > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > > > " Sankara Bhagavadpada " < > > > > sankarapada > > > > > > > > Cc: <siha > > > > Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:40 PM > > > > Glimpses of the SA Conf > > > > Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach > > > > at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th & > > > > 9th ¢06. > > > > Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers, > > > > Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over > > the > > > > last weekend and > > > > thought it would be good to share some of my > > blessings > > > > with fellow SA > > > > Astrologers, who for various reasons have been > > unable > > > > to attend this Conf in > > > > person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and > > > > unconsciously equates success > > > > with bigger numbers! You could even say that being > > in > > > > the grip of maya, > > > > quantity always impresses us rather than quality. > > The > > > > SA Conf has been > > > > unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought > > it > > > > will be a worthwhile > > > > lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its > > > > virtues, now that we have > > > > been through it fully. > > > > #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 > > > > participants and were able > > > > to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with > > > > the weight of an overt > > > > or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the > > > > numbers turned out to be > > > > a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & > > > > drowned' in a sea of > > > > anonymity, as happens invariably in large > > gatherings- > > > > except in those happy > > > > situations when a close circle of old-friends or > > family > > > > bestows upon us the > > > > warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner > > or an > > > > Indian, everyone > > > > must have definitely felt very secure at this SA > > Conf. > > > > Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as > > > > though you were in a modern > > > > European retreat center, but with the serene > > > > atmosphere of an > > > > establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf > > verandah as > > > > well as restaurant > > > > were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & > > > > could not have > > > > chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the > > wheels > > > > of learning' of the > > > > Systems Approach. > > > > Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: > > > > There were three American delegates > > > > and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor > > the > > > > Indian delegates felt > > > > that participants belonged to different cultures. > > Dr. > > > > Shayn Smith, President > > > > of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan > > Miller, > > > > President of the IIPA > > > > Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, > > > > mixed freely with the Indian > > > > delegates and this was also reciprocated and the > > only > > > > difficulty for the > > > > American delegates could have been the heat of > > > > Delhi, as that was just > > > > beginning its peak period. 's, > > > > Smt.Kiranji's and Sri > > > > Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I > > > > could see- put our > > > > American SA Astrologers completely at ease. > > > > #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of > > > > numbers giving us the > > > > comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already > > > > begun on the 7th Apr > > > > itself; when had begun talking to > > > > Dr. Shayn Smith in the > > > > lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality > > to > > > > it, for it was the > > > > creation of whose attitude to life > > was > > > > such that, life is > > > > best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with > > > > the movement of life, > > > > knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. > > The > > > > 'family atmosphere' > > > > created a very welcome feeling and no participant > > > > refrained from the joy of > > > > joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the > > > > atmosphere was evident > > > > to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it > > > > became an enjoyable 'Indian > > > > Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, > > in > > > > a spirit of warm > > > > support & sharing. > > > > #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a > > > > beautiful and sincere message > > > > from the President of the > > > > American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only > > > > wished how much nicer it > > > > would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as > > Mr. > > > > Jo Cohen[from France] > > > > were also with us that morning. I could sense the > > > > commitment of Mr. David > > > > Hawthorne to the SA and to . > > > > #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, > > > > briefly summed up the > > > > history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his > > > > personality, even > > > > shared with us the fact that in the early years of > > the > > > > SA, when it was still > > > > unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the > > > > predictions in the > > > > beginning. Here was an example of a truly great > > Master > > > > of his discipline > > > > whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same > > > > with his fellow > > > > travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some > > power > > > > & position. He > > > > shocked us by telling us that some bright IT > > engineers > > > > needed no more than > > > > 16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and > > this > > > > took them only some > > > > two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per > > > > week. > > > > An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling > > > > example of a difficult > > > > astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, > > > > before us, in the course > > > > of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur > > royal > > > > family was occupied by > > > > dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also > > > > being hand in glove; the > > > > legal owners of that royal premises, who were now > > > > ousted, also did not have > > > > any possibility of taking the case to the Police. > > All > > > > knew that anyone who > > > > dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial > > > > residence, was walking into > > > > the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, > > the > > > > head of the family > > > > put the following question to the Prof. " Here is > > > > my horoscope and those of > > > > my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into > > the > > > > occupied palace, > > > > risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring > > > > back the property into > > > > our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who > > has > > > > to play the role of > > > > the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent > > > > to the variables of > > > > courage & longevity, was able to > > > > nominate the hero! Such is > > > > the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its > > > > creator. > > > > #5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other > > > > mind-boggling questions put > > > > before by his clients were also > > shared. > > > > In one instance, the > > > > only child of certain parents had to go in for an > > > > emergency brain-surgery > > > > during the last week of March, 2006, near about the > > day > > > > of the eclipse. The > > > > question was, whether the emergency surgery could be > > > > performed on the > > > > eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the > > > > surgeon was not even > > > > prepared to give a guarantee that the operation > > would > > > > restore the child to > > > > normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the > > operation > > > > could be performed on > > > > the so-called dreaded day and that it would be > > > > successful. In arriving at > > > > this verdict, explained how he had > > used > > > > the SA sutra > > > > pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There > > was a > > > > third example of a > > > > 'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, > > > > whether it would be > > > > propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on > > > > the eclipse day? The Prof > > > > revealed the predictive power of the SA by > > mentioning > > > > each of these 'hard > > > > problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous > > light on > > > > how one should > > > > actually proceed in such baffling matters in which > > the > > > > stakes were high. > > > > Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart > > in > > > > which the lord of the > > > > VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP > > Me, > > > > in the deadly sign > > > > Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in > > > > question, not heeding the > > > > warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she > > lost > > > > $ 1,000,000 in a > > > > single day's speculative move. > > > > #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry > > stressed > > > > the importance of > > > > adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as > > > > an essential mandate for > > > > all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined > > > > performance of remedial > > > > measures was also driven home & beautifully > > > > illustrated in the case of an > > > > individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, > > wife > > > > & children and > > > > returned back only after the wife had been > > performing > > > > remedial measures for > > > > her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a > > > > prolonged period of 4 yrs. > > > > Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial > > > > measures was brought to > > > > the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that > > > > while the Rahu remedial > > > > measures may be applied to birds other than crows in > > > > foreign lands; remedial > > > > measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a > > > > reliable substitute in > > > > modern alien cultures. > > > > #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the > > > > sphere of medical > > > > astrology, revealed the pattern of > > > > simplicity in all fevers > > > > and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 > > > > days as they were caused by > > > > the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke > > > > respectively over the Asdt > > > > variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become > > > > stationary, then the '21 day > > > > fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a > > > > prolongation with the onset > > > > of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the > > > > simplicity of the SA insight. > > > > #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened > > > > that delegates took the > > > > discussions out of the Conf room and with them for > > > > lunch & dinner, since > > > > was with us right through. The light > > he > > > > threw on the future > > > > of India was very interesting. When I asked him > > whether > > > > communism has a > > > > future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was > > > > that at the center, > > > > there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but > > > > that the question of > > > > this ideology at the level of the states, must be > > > > separately seen to. He > > > > drew attention to the role of Me in the IT > > revolution > > > > that is currently > > > > underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH > > > > of communication & the > > > > placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined > > > > the educated > > > > intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual > > > > vocations. In Prof. > > > > Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a > > bright > > > > future, since the Su & > > > > the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When > > > > somebody put the question > > > > for remedial measures for the country, he maintained > > > > that remedial measures > > > > will definitely help the country. Light was also > > thrown > > > > on the whole > > > > question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of > > the > > > > famous actor Sri. > > > > Amitabh Bacchan. > > > > #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on > > various > > > > charts continued > > > > outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among > > the > > > > delegates themselves > > > > and also with throughout the course > > of > > > > the 4 or 5 days. > > > > Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a > > > > few 'enigmatic charts', > > > > in which the trouble or misfortune was not > > straightaway > > > > visible in the Rasi > > > > chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, > > no > > > > chart can remain > > > > enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very > > > > reassuring sutra! > > > > #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great > > joy > > > > in repeated > > > > discussions with , I had much pleasure > > > > either in discussing > > > > charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, > > Smt. > > > > Kiranji, then with all > > > > three American delegates & with the astrologers: > > > > Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri. > > > > Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, > > > > Sri Jagadesh Sethi, > > > > Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman > > Deep > > > > Saini, Sri. Samarth > > > > and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as > > well. > > > > #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, > > > > especially since Prof & > > > > his full family joined us & the opportunity was > > > > opened to us once more to > > > > learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs > > with > > > > the Prof. All Indian > > > > delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had > > > > that SA 'family feeling' > > > > and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of > > > > continuous learning, without > > > > any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA > > > > astrologers. A sumptuous > > > > lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at > > > > Mughal Sheraton went very > > > > well with the regal splendour of the Taj! > > > > #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first > > day > > > > asked > > > > me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA > > > > sutras, which I had > > > > already gathered together as pertinent for the > > > > spiritual life in the spheres > > > > of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the > > > > latest SA sutra on > > > > 'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared > > > > for the first time in the > > > > latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II > > > > & III Hs enjoy a > > > > 'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. > > > > There was much > > > > discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came > > > > spectacularly to life, when > > > > commented on the chart of the > > present US > > > > President, Mr. > > > > George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the > > IIIH > > > > lord Me functions > > > > like the Su & has been responsible for his > > > > Presidentship & victory in > > > > political battles. The IIIH lord influences the > > Asdt in > > > > this case & the Asdt > > > > lord is also placed in the IIIH. > > > > #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the > > > > following day I gave a > > > > power point presentation on the Systems Approach in > > the > > > > spheres of Dharma & > > > > Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. > > > > Rajeshji have been kind > > > > enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I > > > > feel grateful. As this > > > > PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 > > odd > > > > SA sutras have also > > > > come on the net, more need not be said about them, > > in > > > > this bulletin. I have > > > > mainly tried to cover the insights given by Prof. > > > > Choudhry at this Conf, but > > > > what I have mentioned is in many respects, > > incomplete. > > > > #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: > > > > Smt.Kiranji, Smt. > > > > Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. > > Sloane > > > > Johnson, Dr(Mrs) > > > > Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other > > > > Hindu mothers & spouses > > > > of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely > > added a > > > > fullness & greater > > > > balance to the whole Conf and in this family > > > > gathering we were witnessing > > > > one of the best values of the ancient Hindu > > > > civilization, which is respect > > > > for women in their various stations in life, as a > > > > mother, as a wife, as a > > > > sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc. > > > > #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , > > for > > > > your inimitable wisdom > > > > & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such > > > > a strong support & > > > > companion in the life of ; thank you > > Sri. > > > > Rajeshji, for your > > > > pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless > > > > service. Thank you Smt. > > > > Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into > > > > the Prof's family & we felt > > > > so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who > > is > > > > destined to carry > > > > forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the > > > > blessings of profound > > > > learning & not just that, we have been recipients > > > > of the magnanimous > > > > hospitality of & his entire family. > > > > Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & > > > > Ms. Sloane Johnson for > > > > being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of > > > > our ancient Hindu culture. > > > > Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. > > With > > > > so many planets > > > > placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be > > > > able to free herself of > > > > her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is > > saying > > > > all this, at that! > > > > Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open > > and > > > > friendly approach > > > > and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in > > which > > > > there was never a > > > > necessity to play any games. Thank you all for > > drinking > > > > the waters of SA > > > > knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . > > > > May he and his family > > > > be always there for us, to show us the way. May God > > be > > > > pleased with us all! > > > > Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are > > > > grateful to our Masters Amma > > > > & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the > > > > blessings of my other > > > > beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. > > > > Because of their blessings, > > > > we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to > > > > know , and > > > > his wonderful families: small and large. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Sincerely yours > > > > Sankara Bhagavadpada > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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