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Hello dear Mr. Bhagavadpada,

 

You have been very generous and kind with words and your time in giving the

accounts of the Conference.

 

Mr. David Hawthorne is President of IIPA.

 

By the grace of god and the help of the Conference Organising Committee

consisting of Mr. R K Chadha, Mr. Jagdish Sethi, Mr. Kumar Jhuraney and Mr.

K Rajesh Chaudhary and the cooperation of the Club management everything was

organised without any effort.

 

The presence and participation of the Delegates made the Conference success.

I am happy that the participanets found the Conference useful.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

-

" Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada

 

Cc: <siha

Friday, April 14, 2006 7:10 AM

Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

 

Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th &

9th ¢06.

 

Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

 

Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf in

person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates success

with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile

lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have

been through it fully.

 

#1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an overt

or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to be

a tremendous blessing, in that no one was ‘lost & drowned’ in a sea of

anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those happy

situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the

warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

 

Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a modern

European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not have

chosen a more serene setting for ‘propelling the wheels of learning' of the

Systems Approach.

 

Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American delegates

and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates felt

that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President

of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA

Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian

delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the

American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

beginning its peak period. ’s, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri Rajeshji’s

warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our American SA

Astrologers completely at ease.

 

#2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

comfort & ‘family cohesion’; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The ‘family atmosphere’

created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy of

joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable ‘Indian

Conf ’ when ’s family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

support & sharing.

 

#3. Mr. David Hawthorne’s message: There was a beautiful and sincere message

from the President of the

American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer it

would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from France]

were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David

Hawthorne to the SA and to .

 

#4.Prof.Choudhry’s overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was still

unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

 

An SA solution for a ‘dacoits-problem’: A telling example of a difficult

astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied by

dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove; the

legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not have

any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into

the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

put the following question to the Prof. “ Here is my horoscope and those of

my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property into

our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role of

the dare-devil?” Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

 

#5. SA solutions for ‘Hard-problems’: Other mind-boggling questions put

before by his clients were also shared. In one instance, the

only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse. The

question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed on

the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

‘hard problem’ from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The Prof

revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these ‘hard

problems’ and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the

VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the

warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

single day’s speculative move.

 

#5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures for

her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

Once again the ‘concealed power’ of the SA remedial measures was brought to

the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu remedial

measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands; remedial

measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

modern alien cultures.

 

#6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused by

the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the ’21 day

fever’ like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the onset

of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

 

#7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

there isn’t any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In ’s

view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su & the Mo

main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question for

remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial measures will

definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole question of

duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri. Amitabh

Bacchan.

 

#8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few ‘enigmatic charts’,

in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi

chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

 

#9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with all

three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

 

#10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof &

his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA ‘family feeling’

and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning, without

any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very

well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

 

#11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the spheres

of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on ‘Su-like’

Hs & ‘Su-like’ lords, which has appeared for the first time in the latest

edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a ‘Su-like’

power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much discussion on this

sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr. George Bush Jr. In

the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions like the Su & has

been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in political battles. The

IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the Asdt lord is also placed in

the IIIH.

 

#12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma &

Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As this

PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I have

mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf, but

what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

 

#13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers & spouses

of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater

balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing

one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect

for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a

sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

 

#14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable wisdom

& knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof’s family & we felt

so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

hospitality of & his entire family.

 

Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu culture.

Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself of

her ‘family centeredness’-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us all!

Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters Amma

& Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their blessings,

we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know , and

his wonderful families: small and large.

Kind Regards,

Sincerely yours

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

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Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th & 9th

¢06.

 

Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

 

Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and thought

it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA Astrologers, who

for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf in person. Now, man is

intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates success with bigger numbers!

You could even say that being in the grip of maya, quantity always impresses us

rather than quality. The SA Conf has been unlike many of the modern conferences

and I thought it will be a worthwhile lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking

of its virtues, now that we have been through it fully.

 

#1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able to

breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an overt or

covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to be a

tremendous blessing, in that no one was ‘lost & drowned’ in a sea of anonymity,

as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those happy situations when

a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the warmth of an

emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone must have definitely

felt very secure at this SA Conf.

 

Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a modern

European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an establishment in

the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant were overlooking the

pool & the lovely lawns & could not have chosen a more serene

setting for ‘propelling the wheels of learning' of the Systems Approach.

 

Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American delegates

and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates felt

that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President of

the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA Chapter

in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian delegates

and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the American

delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just beginning its

peak period. ’s, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri Rajeshji’s warm but

unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our American SA Astrologers

completely at ease.

 

#2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

comfort & ‘family cohesion’; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr itself;

when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the lounge of the

club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the creation of Prof.

Choudhry whose attitude to life was such that, life is best enjoyed & savoured

only when one flows with the movement of life, knowing that this is how the

rhythms of God flow. The ‘family atmosphere’ created a very welcome feeling and

no participant refrained from the joy of joining in the discussions. The

friendliness of the atmosphere was evident to even newcomers like my wife &

myself and it became an enjoyable ‘Indian Conf ’ when ’s family

joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm support & sharing.

 

#3. Mr. David Hawthorne’s message: There was a beautiful and sincere message

from the President of the

American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer it

would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from France] were

also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David Hawthorne

to the SA and to .

 

#4.Prof.Choudhry’s overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even shared

with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was still unfolding,

he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the beginning. Here was an

example of a truly great Master of his discipline whose joy came from his

learning & sharing the same with his fellow travellers, rather than from the

pursuit of some power & position. He shocked us by telling us that some bright

IT engineers needed no more than 16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA,

and this took them only some two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures

per week.

 

An SA solution for a ‘dacoits-problem’: A telling example of a difficult

astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course of

his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied by

dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove; the

legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not have any

possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who dared to

walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into the jaws of

death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family put the following

question to the Prof. “ Here is my horoscope and those of my three sons. Which

one of us will have to go into the occupied palace, risking our life, with the

sole purpose of acquiring back the property into our hands. As a great

astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role of the dare-devil?” Applying

the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of courage & longevity,

was able to nominate the hero! Such is the power of the SA-especially in the

hands of its creator.

 

#5. SA solutions for ‘Hard-problems’: Other mind-boggling questions put before

by his clients were also shared. In one instance, the only child

of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery during the last

week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse. The question was,

whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the eclipse day and the

situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even prepared to give a guarantee

that the operation would restore the child to normalcy. The verdict of the SA

was that the operation could be performed on the so-called dreaded day and that

it would be successful. In arriving at this verdict, explained

how he had used the SA sutra pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There

was a third example of a ‘hard problem’ from the VA point of view, which was,

whether it would be propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the

eclipse day? The Prof revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each

of these ‘hard problems’ and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one

should actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the VH

of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign Scorpio,

through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the warning of

the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a single day’s

speculative move.

 

#5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for all

astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial measures

was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an individual, who

fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and returned back only after

the wife had been performing remedial measures for her own chart & the chart of

her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs. Once again the ‘concealed power’

of the SA remedial measures was brought to the fore. In this connection he also

mentioned that while the Rahu remedial measures may be applied to birds other

than crows in foreign lands; remedial measures for Ke involving stray dogs,

hardly had a reliable substitute in modern alien cultures.

 

#6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical astrology,

revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers and said these

were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused by the Tr of the fiery

planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt variables. In the Tr of Ke if

it were to become stationary, then the ’21 day fever’ like chickenpox & typhoid

would suffer a prolongation with the onset of a relapse etc. One was left

stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

 

#7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since Prof.

Choudhry was with us right through. The light he threw on the future of India

was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a future in Indian

politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center, there isn’t any promise

of a substantial future, but that the question of this ideology at the level of

the states, must be separately seen to. He drew attention to the role of Me in

the IT revolution that is currently underway & added that so many planets in the

IIIH of communication & the placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined

the educated intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

Choudhry’s view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su & the

Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question for

remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial measures will

definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole question of

duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri. Amitabh Bacchan.

 

#8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued outside

the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves and also with

throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days. Interestingly when

asked whether there were indeed a few ‘enigmatic charts’, in which the trouble

or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi chart; he maintained that

when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain enigmatic & hide its patterns. This

was a very reassuring sutra!

 

#9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated discussions

with , I had much pleasure either in discussing charts or some

other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with all three American

delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri. Kumar Juraney,

Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi, Sri. Rajul Kaushik,

Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth and to a lesser extent

with the other delegates as well.

 

#10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof & his

full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to learn

directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian delegates

as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA ‘family feeling’ and the

essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning, without any barrier

between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous lunch hosted by

and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very well with the regal

splendour of the Taj!

 

#11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked me to

give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had already

gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the spheres of Dharma &

Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on ‘Su-like’ Hs & ‘Su-like’

lords, which has appeared for the first time in the latest edition of Predictive

Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a ‘Su-like’ power, which the other Hs do

not possess. There was much discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came

spectacularly to life, when commented on the chart of the present

US President, Mr. George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord

Me functions like the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory

in political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the Asdt

lord is also placed in the IIIH.

 

#12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a power

point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma &

Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind enough

to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As this PPP is now

available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also come on the net,

more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I have mainly tried to cover

the insights given by at this Conf, but what I have mentioned is

in many respects, incomplete.

 

#13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt. Taneshaji,

Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs) Prema[my wife],

Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers & spouses of the SA

astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater balance to the

whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing one of the best

values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect for women in their

various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a sister, and as our

spiritual-equals in life, etc.

 

#14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable wisdom &

knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support & companion in

the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your pure heart, for

your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt. Taneshaji for

bringing new light & new life into the Prof’s family & we felt so happy

beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry forward the work

of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound learning & not just that,

we have been recipients of the magnanimous hospitality of & his

entire family.

 

Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for being so

friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu culture. Thank you for

having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets placed in the IV Sign

of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself of her ‘family

centeredness’-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that! Thank you all SA

astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach and for a generous

sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a necessity to play any

games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA knowledge and wisdom, given

to us by . May he and his family be always there for us, to show

us the way. May God be pleased with us all! Personally my wife Dr. Prema and

myself, we are grateful to our Masters Amma & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as

well as the blessings of my other beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and

others. Because of their blessings, we could have the extreme good fortune of

coming to know , and his wonderful families: small and large.

Kind Regards,

Sincerely yours

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

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Hello dear Mr. Bhagavadpada,

 

You have been very generous and kind with words and your time in giving the

accounts of the Conference.

 

Mr. David Hawthorne is President of IIPA.

 

By the grace of god and the help of the Conference Organising Committee

consisting of Mr. R K Chadha, Mr. Jagdish Sethi, Mr. Kumar Jhuraney and Mr.

K Rajesh Chaudhary and the cooperation of the Club management everything was

organised without any effort.

 

The presence and participation of the Delegates made the Conference success.

I am happy that the participanets found the Conference useful.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

-

" Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada

 

Cc: <siha

Friday, April 14, 2006 7:10 AM

Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

 

Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th &

9th ¢06.

 

Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

 

Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf in

person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates success

with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile

lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have

been through it fully.

 

#1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an overt

or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to be

a tremendous blessing, in that no one was ‘lost & drowned’ in a sea of

anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those happy

situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the

warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

 

Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a modern

European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not have

chosen a more serene setting for ‘propelling the wheels of learning' of the

Systems Approach.

 

Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American delegates

and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates felt

that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President

of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA

Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian

delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the

American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

beginning its peak period. ’s, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri Rajeshji’s

warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our American SA

Astrologers completely at ease.

 

#2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

comfort & ‘family cohesion’; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The ‘family atmosphere’

created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy of

joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable ‘Indian

Conf ’ when ’s family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

support & sharing.

 

#3. Mr. David Hawthorne’s message: There was a beautiful and sincere message

from the President of the

American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer it

would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from France]

were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David

Hawthorne to the SA and to .

 

#4.Prof.Choudhry’s overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was still

unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

 

An SA solution for a ‘dacoits-problem’: A telling example of a difficult

astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied by

dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove; the

legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not have

any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into

the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

put the following question to the Prof. “ Here is my horoscope and those of

my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property into

our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role of

the dare-devil?” Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

 

#5. SA solutions for ‘Hard-problems’: Other mind-boggling questions put

before by his clients were also shared. In one instance, the

only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse. The

question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed on

the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

‘hard problem’ from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The Prof

revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these ‘hard

problems’ and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the

VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the

warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

single day’s speculative move.

 

#5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures for

her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

Once again the ‘concealed power’ of the SA remedial measures was brought to

the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu remedial

measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands; remedial

measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

modern alien cultures.

 

#6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused by

the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the ’21 day

fever’ like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the onset

of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

 

#7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

there isn’t any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In ’s

view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su & the Mo

main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question for

remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial measures will

definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole question of

duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri. Amitabh

Bacchan.

 

#8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few ‘enigmatic charts’,

in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi

chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

 

#9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with all

three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

 

#10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof &

his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA ‘family feeling’

and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning, without

any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very

well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

 

#11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the spheres

of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on ‘Su-like’

Hs & ‘Su-like’ lords, which has appeared for the first time in the latest

edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a ‘Su-like’

power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much discussion on this

sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr. George Bush Jr. In

the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions like the Su & has

been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in political battles. The

IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the Asdt lord is also placed in

the IIIH.

 

#12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma &

Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As this

PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I have

mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf, but

what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

 

#13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers & spouses

of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater

balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing

one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect

for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a

sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

 

#14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable wisdom

& knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof’s family & we felt

so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

hospitality of & his entire family.

 

Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu culture.

Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself of

her ‘family centeredness’-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us all!

Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters Amma

& Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their blessings,

we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know , and

his wonderful families: small and large.

Kind Regards,

Sincerely yours

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

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On 14 Apr 2006 01:40:57 -0000, Sankara Bhagavadpada <

sankarapada wrote:

>

>

> Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th

> & 9th ¢06.

>

> Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

>

> Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

> thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

> Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf in

> person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates success

> with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

> quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

> unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile

> lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have

> been through it fully.

>

> #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

> to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an overt

> or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to be

> a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & drowned' in a sea of

> anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those happy

> situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the

> warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

> must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

>

> Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a

> modern European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

> establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

> were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not have

> chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the wheels of learning' of the

> Systems Approach.

>

> Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American

> delegates and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian

> delegates felt that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn

> Smith, President of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller,

> President of the IIPA Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed

> freely with the Indian delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only

> difficulty for the American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as

> that was just beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's

> and Sri Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put

> our American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

>

> #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

> comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

> itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

> lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

> creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

> best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

> knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The 'family atmosphere'

> created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy of

> joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

> to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable 'Indian

> Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

> support & sharing.

>

> #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and sincere

> message from the President of the

> American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer

> it would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from

> France] were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr.

> David Hawthorne to the SA and to .

>

> #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

> history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

> shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was still

> unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

> beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

> whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

> travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

> shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

> 16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

> two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

>

> An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling example of a difficult

> astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

> of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied by

> dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove; the

> legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not have

> any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

> dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into

> the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

> put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope and those of

> my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

> risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property into

> our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role of

> the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

> courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

> the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

>

> #5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions put

> before by his clients were also shared. In one instance, the

> only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

> during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse. The

> question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

> eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

> prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

> normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed on

> the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

> this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

> pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

> 'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

> propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The Prof

> revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these 'hard

> problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

> actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

> Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the

> VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

> Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the

> warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

> single day's speculative move.

>

> #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

> adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

> all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

> measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

> individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

> returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures for

> her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

> Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought to

> the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu remedial

> measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands; remedial

> measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

> modern alien cultures.

>

> #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

> astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

> and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused by

> the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

> variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the '21 day

> fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the onset

> of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

>

> #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

> discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

> was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

> of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

> future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

> there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

> this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

> drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

> underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

> placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

> intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

> Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su &

> the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question

> for remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial measures

> will definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole

> question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri.

> Amitabh Bacchan.

>

> #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

> outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

> and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

> Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few 'enigmatic charts',

> in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi

> chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

> enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

>

> #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

> discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

> charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with all

> three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

> Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

> Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

> and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

>

> #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof

> & his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

> learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

> delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA 'family feeling'

> and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning, without

> any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

> lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went

> very well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

>

> #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

> me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

> already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the spheres

> of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on

> 'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared for the first time in the

> latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a

> 'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much

> discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

> commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr.

> George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions

> like the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

> political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the Asdt

> lord is also placed in the IIIH.

>

> #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

> power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma &

> Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

> enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As this

> PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

> come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I have

> mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf, but

> what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

>

> #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

> Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

> Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers &

> spouses of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness &

> greater balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were

> witnessing one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which

> is respect for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a

> wife, as a sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

>

> #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable

> wisdom & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

> companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

> pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

> Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof's family & we felt

> so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

> forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

> learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

> hospitality of & his entire family.

>

> Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

> being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu culture.

> Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

> placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself of

> her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

> Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

> and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

> necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

> knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

> be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us all!

> Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters Amma

> & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

> beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their

> blessings, we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know Prof.

> Choudhry, and his wonderful families: small and large.

> Kind Regards,

> Sincerely yours

> Sankara Bhagavadpada

>

>

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Dear Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

Thank you for this very inspiring report, a true piece of knowledge.

The examples you give of SA application to " hard " & " non hard " problems is

truly amazing.

Seeing at the photographs and reading your personal report gives me a strong

feeling of serenity.

May God bless our dear and his family.

 

Best Wishes

 

Jo Cohen

IIPA France

 

-

" Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada

 

Cc: <siha

Friday, April 14, 2006 3:40 AM

Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

 

Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th &

9th ¢06.

 

Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

 

Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf in

person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates success

with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile

lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have

been through it fully.

 

#1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an overt

or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to be

a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & drowned' in a sea of

anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those happy

situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the

warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

 

Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a modern

European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not have

chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the wheels of learning' of the

Systems Approach.

 

Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American delegates

and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates felt

that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President

of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA

Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian

delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the

American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our

American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

 

#2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The 'family atmosphere'

created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy of

joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable 'Indian

Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

support & sharing.

 

#3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and sincere message

from the President of the

American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer it

would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from France]

were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David

Hawthorne to the SA and to .

 

#4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was still

unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

 

An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling example of a difficult

astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied by

dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove; the

legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not have

any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into

the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope and those of

my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property into

our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role of

the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

 

#5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions put

before by his clients were also shared. In one instance, the

only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse. The

question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed on

the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The Prof

revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these 'hard

problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the

VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the

warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

single day's speculative move.

 

#5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures for

her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought to

the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu remedial

measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands; remedial

measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

modern alien cultures.

 

#6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused by

the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the '21 day

fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the onset

of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

 

#7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su &

the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question

for remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial measures

will definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole

question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri.

Amitabh Bacchan.

 

#8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few 'enigmatic charts',

in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi

chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

 

#9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with all

three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

 

#10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof &

his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA 'family feeling'

and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning, without

any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very

well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

 

#11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the spheres

of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on

'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared for the first time in the

latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a

'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much

discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr.

George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions

like the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the Asdt

lord is also placed in the IIIH.

 

#12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma &

Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As this

PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I have

mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf, but

what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

 

#13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers & spouses

of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater

balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing

one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect

for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a

sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

 

#14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable wisdom

& knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof's family & we felt

so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

hospitality of & his entire family.

 

Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu culture.

Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself of

her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us all!

Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters Amma

& Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their blessings,

we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know , and

his wonderful families: small and large.

Kind Regards,

Sincerely yours

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

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dear Vyas munidas

D for dharma.

M for moksha.

A for artha.

K for kama

best wishes,

K.Batra

Gurgaon.

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

 

Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:54 PM

Re: Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

> Dear Professor and Mr Bhagavadpada,

>

> Thank you both for sharing so much about the conference. God willing and

> circumstance permitting, I'll be at the next one.

>

> I have a question related to the sutras document recently posted. Please

if

> you will, enlighten me/us what D & M, and A & K are:

>

> " If strong spiritual planets in the D & M spheres are not present in the

> chart; then the strong afflictions and weaknesses of the planets in the A

&

> K spheres; may only serve to " drown and trap " the individual in a life of

> struggle, confining the individual to the A & K spheres.

>

>

>

> " If on the other hand, when strong afflictions and weaknesses of the A &

K

> lords co-exist side by side with strong D & M Lords; then we have the best

> illustration of the highest spiritual life, characterized by all the

higher

> significations of the strong D and M lords. This may be called the

Nivritti

> Marga[N].

>

>

>

> " However, if strong spiritual potentials, in the form of strong D & M

Lords

> co-exist with strong A & K Lords as well; then we have a mixture of

> Nivritti[N] and Pravritti[P] in that spiritual life. That is, in this

case,

> while the individual is spiritual, he also has involvement in the world

and

> may also in such cases, enjoy success in the worldly sphere as well. "

>

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

>

>

> -

> " Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada

>

> Cc: <siha

> Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:40 PM

> Glimpses of the SA Conf

>

>

>

> Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th

&

> 9th ¢06.

>

> Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

>

> Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

> thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

> Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf

in

> person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates

success

> with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

> quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

> unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a

worthwhile

> lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we

have

> been through it fully.

>

> #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

> to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an

overt

> or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to

be

> a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & drowned' in a sea of

> anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those

happy

> situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us

the

> warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

> must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

>

> Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a

modern

> European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

> establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

> were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not

have

> chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the wheels of learning' of

the

> Systems Approach.

>

> Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American

delegates

> and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates

felt

> that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith,

President

> of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the

IIPA

> Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the

Indian

> delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the

> American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

> beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

> Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our

> American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

>

> #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

> comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

> itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

> lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

> creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

> best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

> knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The 'family atmosphere'

> created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy

of

> joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

> to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable 'Indian

> Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

> support & sharing.

>

> #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and sincere

message

> from the President of the

> American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer

it

> would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from

France]

> were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David

> Hawthorne to the SA and to .

>

> #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

> history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

> shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was

still

> unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

> beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

> whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

> travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

> shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

> 16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

> two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

>

> An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling example of a difficult

> astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

> of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied

by

> dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove;

the

> legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not

have

> any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

> dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking

into

> the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

> put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope and those

of

> my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

> risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property

into

> our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role

of

> the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

> courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

> the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

>

> #5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions put

> before by his clients were also shared. In one instance,

the

> only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

> during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse.

The

> question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

> eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

> prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

> normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed

on

> the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

> this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

> pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

> 'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

> propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The

Prof

> revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these 'hard

> problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

> actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

> Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of

the

> VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

> Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding

the

> warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

> single day's speculative move.

>

> #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

> adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

> all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

> measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

> individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

> returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures

for

> her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

> Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought

to

> the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu

remedial

> measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands;

remedial

> measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

> modern alien cultures.

>

> #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

> astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

> and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused

by

> the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

> variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the '21

day

> fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the

onset

> of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA

insight.

>

> #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

> discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

> was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

> of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

> future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

> there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

> this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

> drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

> underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

> placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

> intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

> Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su

&

> the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question

> for remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial

measures

> will definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole

> question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri.

> Amitabh Bacchan.

>

> #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

> outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

> and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

> Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few 'enigmatic

charts',

> in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the

Rasi

> chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

> enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

>

> #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

> discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

> charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with

all

> three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

> Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

> Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

> and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

>

> #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof

&

> his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

> learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

> delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA 'family

feeling'

> and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning,

without

> any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

> lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went

very

> well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

>

> #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

> me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

> already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the

spheres

> of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on

> 'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared for the first time in

the

> latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a

> 'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much

> discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life,

when

> commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr.

> George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions

> like the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

> political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the

Asdt

> lord is also placed in the IIIH.

>

> #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

> power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma

&

> Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

> enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As

this

> PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

> come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I

have

> mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf,

but

> what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

>

> #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

> Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

> Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers &

spouses

> of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater

> balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing

> one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect

> for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a

> sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

>

> #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable

wisdom

> & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

> companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

> pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

> Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof's family & we

felt

> so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

> forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

> learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

> hospitality of & his entire family.

>

> Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

> being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu

culture.

> Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

> placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself

of

> her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

> Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

> and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

> necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

> knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

> be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us

all!

> Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters

Amma

> & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

> beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their

blessings,

> we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know ,

and

> his wonderful families: small and large.

> Kind Regards,

> Sincerely yours

> Sankara Bhagavadpada

>

>

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>Dear Mr. Bhagavadpada: After reading your moving and insightful

glimpses of the conference, it almost makes me feel as if I had

attended myself! Beautifully written and a true inspiration as well as

a genuine tribute to the Professor and his family. With my best

wishes, Chuck

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Dear Dr Bhagavadpada,Proff VKC and list

 

I really missed the opportunity to interact with SA member or more

appropriately " Family " :). Though your detail account provides some

comfort. Thanks.

In the evolution of the human kind, the distinction of the spiritual

from the material due to a historic divide started by Rene Descartes

and as it mostly stands today has pushed humans more into the web of

Maya the illusion, into believing that the material manifest is the

only reality and causation of life. This illusion has also pushed

people practicing astrology into different schools and modes of

observation in attempting to solve the same, the utility and purpose

of the man in the material world and their experience in it.

Astrologers around the world are addicted to practicing and

promulgating the divine science according to their own level of

spiritual growth, making a mistake on the way of trying to give it as

much of a scientific view so as to add credibility and be heard. That

is not the purpose of this science.

Every school of thought should be based on a philosophy, the classics

are strongly woven in times they belonged to and today as times

changed a new outlook is needed, an outlook that is simplistic in

views and effective in action.

The SA has provided that link, there are astrologers all over who are

sitting around after learning several schools of thought including SA

and because nothing is absolute, they are under an illusion that

perfection is desirable and have made a living room hobby out of it

trying to combine several schools into one, while the purpose of the

divine light eludes, that is to improve human life by providing

solutions to problems, as we know them as remedial measures.

In the SA remedial measures have effectively worked in addition to

providing deep insight in human problems and issues and that's it, it

serves the general human need.

What is important is the recognition that free-will is important in

human endeavors and SA recognizes it as a part of its philosophy, not

to cloud the probabilistic inaccuracies of the astrologer but to

stress that We collectively can read the Akaskic Map or the blueprint

of our destiny and can, to a good extent re-channel it as per free-

will and remedies (collectively good deeds), while sanchita karma at

the same time will deliver what it has to.

I have never met Professor VKC in person, I know him through his

teachings, Groups, emails and an odd phone call, the internet is

illusionary and hence I have had my apprehensions at times, when I

have seen his eccentricity or apparent sternness but miraculously

somehow always connected with him in the right wavelength on his

philosophy in life and thus have very high regards and love for him

and his contribution to mankind, feelings need not be local, they are

non local. We also share the same ascendant :) .

 

Regards and Respect

Amit

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sankara Bhagavadpada "

<sankarapada wrote:

>

>

> Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on

Apr 8th & 9th ¢06.

>

> Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

>

> Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last

weekend and thought it would be good to share some of my blessings

with fellow SA Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable

to attend this Conf in person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and

unconsciously equates success with bigger numbers! You could even say

that being in the grip of maya, quantity always impresses us rather

than quality. The SA Conf has been unlike many of the modern

conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile lesson for us all,

to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have been through

it fully.

>

> #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and

were able to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the

weight of an overt or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of

the numbers turned out to be a tremendous blessing, in that no one

was `lost & drowned' in a sea of anonymity, as happens invariably in

large gatherings- except in those happy situations when a close

circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the warmth of an

emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone must have

definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

>

> Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in

a modern European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of

an establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as

restaurant were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & Prof.

Choudhry could not have chosen a more serene setting for `propelling

the wheels of learning' of the Systems Approach.

>

> Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American

delegates and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the

Indian delegates felt that participants belonged to different

cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado;

Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA Chapter in California and

Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian delegates and this

was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the American

delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our

American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

>

> #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving

us the comfort & `family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the

7th Apr itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn

Smith in the lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to

it, for it was the creation of whose attitude to life

was such that, life is best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows

with the movement of life, knowing that this is how the rhythms of

God flow. The `family atmosphere' created a very welcome feeling and

no participant refrained from the joy of joining in the discussions.

The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident to even newcomers like

my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable `Indian Conf ' when Prof.

Choudhry's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm support &

sharing.

>

> #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and

sincere message from the President of the

> American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much

nicer it would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo

Cohen[from France] were also with us that morning. I could sense the

commitment of Mr. David Hawthorne to the SA and to .

>

> #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed

up the history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his

personality, even shared with us the fact that in the early years of

the SA, when it was still unfolding, he even went wrong with some of

the predictions in the beginning. Here was an example of a truly

great Master of his discipline whose joy came from his learning &

sharing the same with his fellow travellers, rather than from the

pursuit of some power & position. He shocked us by telling us that

some bright IT engineers needed no more than 16 hrs to get a working

knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some two months, at the

rate of two one hour lectures per week.

>

> An SA solution for a `dacoits-problem': A telling example of a

difficult astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before

us, in the course of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur

royal family was occupied by dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the

Police also being hand in glove; the legal owners of that royal

premises, who were now ousted, also did not have any possibility of

taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who dared to walk

into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into the

jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the

family put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope

and those of my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the

occupied palace, risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring

back the property into our hands. As a great astrologer, you can

tell, who has to play the role of the dare-devil? " Applying the SA

sutras pertinent to the variables of courage & longevity, Prof.

Choudhry was able to nominate the hero! Such is the power of the SA-

especially in the hands of its creator.

>

> #5. SA solutions for `Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions

put before by his clients were also shared. In one

instance, the only child of certain parents had to go in for an

emergency brain-surgery during the last week of March, 2006, near

about the day of the eclipse. The question was, whether the emergency

surgery could be performed on the eclipse day and the situation was

so bad that the surgeon was not even prepared to give a guarantee

that the operation would restore the child to normalcy. The verdict

of the SA was that the operation could be performed on the so-called

dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at this

verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example

of a `hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it

would be propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the

eclipse day? The Prof revealed the predictive power of the SA by

mentioning each of these `hard problems' and how the SA shed such

unambiguous light on how one should actually proceed in such baffling

matters in which the stakes were high. Then he also gave an example

of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the VH of speculation was

exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign Scorpio, through

mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the warning of

the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a single

day's speculative move.

>

> #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the

importance of adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an

essential mandate for all astrologers. The importance of the

disciplined performance of remedial measures was also driven home &

beautifully illustrated in the case of an individual, who fled from

home, leaving parents, wife & children and returned back only after

the wife had been performing remedial measures for her own chart &

the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs. Once again

the `concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought to the

fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu

remedial measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign

lands; remedial measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a

reliable substitute in modern alien cultures.

>

> #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of

medical astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity

in all fevers and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as

they were caused by the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke

respectively over the Asdt variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to

become stationary, then the '21 day fever' like chickenpox & typhoid

would suffer a prolongation with the onset of a relapse etc. One was

left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

>

> #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates

took the discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch &

dinner, since was with us right through. The light he

threw on the future of India was very interesting. When I asked him

whether communism has a future in Indian politics, his unambiguous

reply was that at the center, there isn't any promise of a

substantial future, but that the question of this ideology at the

level of the states, must be separately seen to. He drew attention to

the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently underway &

added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since

the Su & the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put

the question for remedial measures for the country, he maintained

that remedial measures will definitely help the country. Light was

also thrown on the whole question of duality, as exemplified in the

chart of the famous actor Sri. Amitabh Bacchan.

>

> #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts

continued outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the

delegates themselves and also with throughout the

course of the 4 or 5 days. Interestingly when asked whether there

were indeed a few `enigmatic charts', in which the trouble or

misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi chart; he

maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

>

> #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

discussions with , I had much pleasure either in

discussing charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt.

Kiranji, then with all three American delegates & with the

astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri. Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra,

Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi, Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri.

Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth and to a lesser

extent with the other delegates as well.

>

> #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially

since Prof & his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened

to us once more to learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs

with the Prof. All Indian delegates as well as the delegates from the

US, had that SA `family feeling' and the essence of the Conf was the

spirit of continuous learning, without any barrier between the Prof,

his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous lunch hosted by Prof.

Choudhry and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very well with the

regal splendour of the Taj!

>

> #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day Prof.

Choudhry asked me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA

sutras, which I had already gathered together as pertinent for the

spiritual life in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session

with the latest SA sutra on `Su-like' Hs & `Su-like' lords, which has

appeared for the first time in the latest edition of Predictive

Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a `Su-like' power, which the

other Hs do not possess. There was much discussion on this sutra in

the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr. George Bush

Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions like

the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case &

the Asdt lord is also placed in the IIIH.

>

> #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I

gave a power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the

spheres of Dharma & Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri.

Rajeshji have been kind enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for

which I feel grateful. As this PPP is now available on the website,

and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also come on the net, more need not

be said about them, in this bulletin. I have mainly tried to cover

the insights given by at this Conf, but what I have

mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

>

> #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji,

Smt. Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson,

Dr(Mrs) Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu

mothers & spouses of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely

added a fullness & greater balance to the whole Conf and in this

family gathering we were witnessing one of the best values of the

ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect for women in their

various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a sister, and as

our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

>

> #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your

inimitable wisdom & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such

a strong support & companion in the life of ; thank you

Sri. Rajeshji, for your pure heart, for your great intelligence &

selfless service. Thank you Smt. Taneshaji for bringing new light &

new life into the Prof's family & we felt so happy beholding the face

of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry forward the work of the

Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound learning & not just

that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous hospitality of Prof.

Choudhry & his entire family.

>

> Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson

for being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient

Hindu culture. Thank you for having been a part of our SA family.

With so many planets placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may

never be able to free herself of her `family centeredness'-and a

Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that! Thank you all SA

astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach and for a

generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of

SA knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and

his family be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be

pleased with us all! Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are

grateful to our Masters Amma & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well

as the blessings of my other beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and

others. Because of their blessings, we could have the extreme good

fortune of coming to know , and his wonderful families:

small and large.

> Kind Regards,

> Sincerely yours

> Sankara Bhagavadpada

>

>

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Hello dear Amit,

 

I have to show sternness as a last resort when some people try to defeat the

purpose of the list or SA knowledge.

 

1.To update the knowledge when I have revised my books, why should I accept

the unupdated notes of those who take the benefit of the SA knowledge being

placed on their websites.

 

2. I can help learners but I can't help the practicing astrologers for their

case studies.

 

Beyond these two occasions, I do not think I have ever shown sternness.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:37 PM

Re: Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

Dear Dr Bhagavadpada,Proff VKC and list

 

I really missed the opportunity to interact with SA member or more

appropriately " Family " :). Though your detail account provides some

comfort. Thanks.

In the evolution of the human kind, the distinction of the spiritual

from the material due to a historic divide started by Rene Descartes

and as it mostly stands today has pushed humans more into the web of

Maya the illusion, into believing that the material manifest is the

only reality and causation of life. This illusion has also pushed

people practicing astrology into different schools and modes of

observation in attempting to solve the same, the utility and purpose

of the man in the material world and their experience in it.

Astrologers around the world are addicted to practicing and

promulgating the divine science according to their own level of

spiritual growth, making a mistake on the way of trying to give it as

much of a scientific view so as to add credibility and be heard. That

is not the purpose of this science.

Every school of thought should be based on a philosophy, the classics

are strongly woven in times they belonged to and today as times

changed a new outlook is needed, an outlook that is simplistic in

views and effective in action.

The SA has provided that link, there are astrologers all over who are

sitting around after learning several schools of thought including SA

and because nothing is absolute, they are under an illusion that

perfection is desirable and have made a living room hobby out of it

trying to combine several schools into one, while the purpose of the

divine light eludes, that is to improve human life by providing

solutions to problems, as we know them as remedial measures.

In the SA remedial measures have effectively worked in addition to

providing deep insight in human problems and issues and that's it, it

serves the general human need.

What is important is the recognition that free-will is important in

human endeavors and SA recognizes it as a part of its philosophy, not

to cloud the probabilistic inaccuracies of the astrologer but to

stress that We collectively can read the Akaskic Map or the blueprint

of our destiny and can, to a good extent re-channel it as per free-

will and remedies (collectively good deeds), while sanchita karma at

the same time will deliver what it has to.

I have never met Professor VKC in person, I know him through his

teachings, Groups, emails and an odd phone call, the internet is

illusionary and hence I have had my apprehensions at times, when I

have seen his eccentricity or apparent sternness but miraculously

somehow always connected with him in the right wavelength on his

philosophy in life and thus have very high regards and love for him

and his contribution to mankind, feelings need not be local, they are

non local. We also share the same ascendant :) .

 

Regards and Respect

Amit

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sankara Bhagavadpada "

<sankarapada wrote:

>

>

> Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on

Apr 8th & 9th ¢06.

>

> Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

>

> Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last

weekend and thought it would be good to share some of my blessings

with fellow SA Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable

to attend this Conf in person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and

unconsciously equates success with bigger numbers! You could even say

that being in the grip of maya, quantity always impresses us rather

than quality. The SA Conf has been unlike many of the modern

conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile lesson for us all,

to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have been through

it fully.

>

> #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and

were able to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the

weight of an overt or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of

the numbers turned out to be a tremendous blessing, in that no one

was `lost & drowned' in a sea of anonymity, as happens invariably in

large gatherings- except in those happy situations when a close

circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the warmth of an

emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone must have

definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

>

> Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in

a modern European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of

an establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as

restaurant were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & Prof.

Choudhry could not have chosen a more serene setting for `propelling

the wheels of learning' of the Systems Approach.

>

> Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American

delegates and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the

Indian delegates felt that participants belonged to different

cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado;

Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA Chapter in California and

Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian delegates and this

was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the American

delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our

American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

>

> #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving

us the comfort & `family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the

7th Apr itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn

Smith in the lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to

it, for it was the creation of whose attitude to life

was such that, life is best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows

with the movement of life, knowing that this is how the rhythms of

God flow. The `family atmosphere' created a very welcome feeling and

no participant refrained from the joy of joining in the discussions.

The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident to even newcomers like

my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable `Indian Conf ' when Prof.

Choudhry's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm support &

sharing.

>

> #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and

sincere message from the President of the

> American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much

nicer it would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo

Cohen[from France] were also with us that morning. I could sense the

commitment of Mr. David Hawthorne to the SA and to .

>

> #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed

up the history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his

personality, even shared with us the fact that in the early years of

the SA, when it was still unfolding, he even went wrong with some of

the predictions in the beginning. Here was an example of a truly

great Master of his discipline whose joy came from his learning &

sharing the same with his fellow travellers, rather than from the

pursuit of some power & position. He shocked us by telling us that

some bright IT engineers needed no more than 16 hrs to get a working

knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some two months, at the

rate of two one hour lectures per week.

>

> An SA solution for a `dacoits-problem': A telling example of a

difficult astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before

us, in the course of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur

royal family was occupied by dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the

Police also being hand in glove; the legal owners of that royal

premises, who were now ousted, also did not have any possibility of

taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who dared to walk

into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into the

jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the

family put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope

and those of my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the

occupied palace, risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring

back the property into our hands. As a great astrologer, you can

tell, who has to play the role of the dare-devil? " Applying the SA

sutras pertinent to the variables of courage & longevity, Prof.

Choudhry was able to nominate the hero! Such is the power of the SA-

especially in the hands of its creator.

>

> #5. SA solutions for `Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions

put before by his clients were also shared. In one

instance, the only child of certain parents had to go in for an

emergency brain-surgery during the last week of March, 2006, near

about the day of the eclipse. The question was, whether the emergency

surgery could be performed on the eclipse day and the situation was

so bad that the surgeon was not even prepared to give a guarantee

that the operation would restore the child to normalcy. The verdict

of the SA was that the operation could be performed on the so-called

dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at this

verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example

of a `hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it

would be propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the

eclipse day? The Prof revealed the predictive power of the SA by

mentioning each of these `hard problems' and how the SA shed such

unambiguous light on how one should actually proceed in such baffling

matters in which the stakes were high. Then he also gave an example

of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the VH of speculation was

exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign Scorpio, through

mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the warning of

the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a single

day's speculative move.

>

> #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the

importance of adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an

essential mandate for all astrologers. The importance of the

disciplined performance of remedial measures was also driven home &

beautifully illustrated in the case of an individual, who fled from

home, leaving parents, wife & children and returned back only after

the wife had been performing remedial measures for her own chart &

the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs. Once again

the `concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought to the

fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu

remedial measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign

lands; remedial measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a

reliable substitute in modern alien cultures.

>

> #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of

medical astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity

in all fevers and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as

they were caused by the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke

respectively over the Asdt variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to

become stationary, then the '21 day fever' like chickenpox & typhoid

would suffer a prolongation with the onset of a relapse etc. One was

left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

>

> #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates

took the discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch &

dinner, since was with us right through. The light he

threw on the future of India was very interesting. When I asked him

whether communism has a future in Indian politics, his unambiguous

reply was that at the center, there isn't any promise of a

substantial future, but that the question of this ideology at the

level of the states, must be separately seen to. He drew attention to

the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently underway &

added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since

the Su & the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put

the question for remedial measures for the country, he maintained

that remedial measures will definitely help the country. Light was

also thrown on the whole question of duality, as exemplified in the

chart of the famous actor Sri. Amitabh Bacchan.

>

> #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts

continued outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the

delegates themselves and also with throughout the

course of the 4 or 5 days. Interestingly when asked whether there

were indeed a few `enigmatic charts', in which the trouble or

misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi chart; he

maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

>

> #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

discussions with , I had much pleasure either in

discussing charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt.

Kiranji, then with all three American delegates & with the

astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri. Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra,

Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi, Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri.

Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth and to a lesser

extent with the other delegates as well.

>

> #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially

since Prof & his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened

to us once more to learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs

with the Prof. All Indian delegates as well as the delegates from the

US, had that SA `family feeling' and the essence of the Conf was the

spirit of continuous learning, without any barrier between the Prof,

his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous lunch hosted by Prof.

Choudhry and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very well with the

regal splendour of the Taj!

>

> #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day Prof.

Choudhry asked me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA

sutras, which I had already gathered together as pertinent for the

spiritual life in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session

with the latest SA sutra on `Su-like' Hs & `Su-like' lords, which has

appeared for the first time in the latest edition of Predictive

Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a `Su-like' power, which the

other Hs do not possess. There was much discussion on this sutra in

the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr. George Bush

Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions like

the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case &

the Asdt lord is also placed in the IIIH.

>

> #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I

gave a power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the

spheres of Dharma & Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri.

Rajeshji have been kind enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for

which I feel grateful. As this PPP is now available on the website,

and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also come on the net, more need not

be said about them, in this bulletin. I have mainly tried to cover

the insights given by at this Conf, but what I have

mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

>

> #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji,

Smt. Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson,

Dr(Mrs) Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu

mothers & spouses of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely

added a fullness & greater balance to the whole Conf and in this

family gathering we were witnessing one of the best values of the

ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect for women in their

various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a sister, and as

our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

>

> #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your

inimitable wisdom & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such

a strong support & companion in the life of ; thank you

Sri. Rajeshji, for your pure heart, for your great intelligence &

selfless service. Thank you Smt. Taneshaji for bringing new light &

new life into the Prof's family & we felt so happy beholding the face

of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry forward the work of the

Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound learning & not just

that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous hospitality of Prof.

Choudhry & his entire family.

>

> Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson

for being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient

Hindu culture. Thank you for having been a part of our SA family.

With so many planets placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may

never be able to free herself of her `family centeredness'-and a

Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that! Thank you all SA

astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach and for a

generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of

SA knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and

his family be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be

pleased with us all! Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are

grateful to our Masters Amma & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well

as the blessings of my other beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and

others. Because of their blessings, we could have the extreme good

fortune of coming to know , and his wonderful families:

small and large.

> Kind Regards,

> Sincerely yours

> Sankara Bhagavadpada

>

>

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Dear Professor,

 

I agree that sternness needs to be shown to people with encroaching

attitude, because, the reaction to ones karma is delivered through

the other.

 

Respect

Amit

, <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear Amit,

>

> I have to show sternness as a last resort when some people try to

defeat the

> purpose of the list or SA knowledge.

>

> 1.To update the knowledge when I have revised my books, why should

I accept

> the unupdated notes of those who take the benefit of the SA

knowledge being

> placed on their websites.

>

> 2. I can help learners but I can't help the practicing astrologers

for their

> case studies.

>

> Beyond these two occasions, I do not think I have ever shown

sternness.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

> -

> " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6

>

> Friday, April 14, 2006 8:37 PM

> Re: Glimpses of the SA Conf

>

>

> Dear Dr Bhagavadpada,Proff VKC and list

>

> I really missed the opportunity to interact with SA member or more

> appropriately " Family " :). Though your detail account provides some

> comfort. Thanks.

> In the evolution of the human kind, the distinction of the spiritual

> from the material due to a historic divide started by Rene Descartes

> and as it mostly stands today has pushed humans more into the web of

> Maya the illusion, into believing that the material manifest is the

> only reality and causation of life. This illusion has also pushed

> people practicing astrology into different schools and modes of

> observation in attempting to solve the same, the utility and purpose

> of the man in the material world and their experience in it.

> Astrologers around the world are addicted to practicing and

> promulgating the divine science according to their own level of

> spiritual growth, making a mistake on the way of trying to give it

as

> much of a scientific view so as to add credibility and be heard.

That

> is not the purpose of this science.

> Every school of thought should be based on a philosophy, the

classics

> are strongly woven in times they belonged to and today as times

> changed a new outlook is needed, an outlook that is simplistic in

> views and effective in action.

> The SA has provided that link, there are astrologers all over who

are

> sitting around after learning several schools of thought including

SA

> and because nothing is absolute, they are under an illusion that

> perfection is desirable and have made a living room hobby out of it

> trying to combine several schools into one, while the purpose of the

> divine light eludes, that is to improve human life by providing

> solutions to problems, as we know them as remedial measures.

> In the SA remedial measures have effectively worked in addition to

> providing deep insight in human problems and issues and that's it,

it

> serves the general human need.

> What is important is the recognition that free-will is important in

> human endeavors and SA recognizes it as a part of its philosophy,

not

> to cloud the probabilistic inaccuracies of the astrologer but to

> stress that We collectively can read the Akaskic Map or the

blueprint

> of our destiny and can, to a good extent re-channel it as per free-

> will and remedies (collectively good deeds), while sanchita karma at

> the same time will deliver what it has to.

> I have never met Professor VKC in person, I know him through his

> teachings, Groups, emails and an odd phone call, the internet is

> illusionary and hence I have had my apprehensions at times, when I

> have seen his eccentricity or apparent sternness but miraculously

> somehow always connected with him in the right wavelength on his

> philosophy in life and thus have very high regards and love for him

> and his contribution to mankind, feelings need not be local, they

are

> non local. We also share the same ascendant :) .

>

> Regards and Respect

> Amit

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sankara Bhagavadpada "

> <sankarapada@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on

> Apr 8th & 9th ¢06.

> >

> > Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

> >

> > Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last

> weekend and thought it would be good to share some of my blessings

> with fellow SA Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable

> to attend this Conf in person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers

and

> unconsciously equates success with bigger numbers! You could even

say

> that being in the grip of maya, quantity always impresses us rather

> than quality. The SA Conf has been unlike many of the modern

> conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile lesson for us all,

> to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have been

through

> it fully.

> >

> > #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and

> were able to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the

> weight of an overt or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of

> the numbers turned out to be a tremendous blessing, in that no one

> was `lost & drowned' in a sea of anonymity, as happens invariably in

> large gatherings- except in those happy situations when a close

> circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the warmth of an

> emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone must

have

> definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

> >

> > Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were

in

> a modern European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of

> an establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as

> restaurant were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & Prof.

> Choudhry could not have chosen a more serene setting for `propelling

> the wheels of learning' of the Systems Approach.

> >

> > Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American

> delegates and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the

> Indian delegates felt that participants belonged to different

> cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President of the IIPA Chapter in

Colorado;

> Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA Chapter in California and

> Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian delegates and this

> was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the American

> delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

> beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

> Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put

our

> American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

> >

> > #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers

giving

> us the comfort & `family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on

the

> 7th Apr itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn

> Smith in the lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to

> it, for it was the creation of whose attitude to life

> was such that, life is best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows

> with the movement of life, knowing that this is how the rhythms of

> God flow. The `family atmosphere' created a very welcome feeling and

> no participant refrained from the joy of joining in the discussions.

> The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident to even newcomers

like

> my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable `Indian Conf ' when

Prof.

> Choudhry's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm support &

> sharing.

> >

> > #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and

> sincere message from the President of the

> > American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much

> nicer it would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo

> Cohen[from France] were also with us that morning. I could sense the

> commitment of Mr. David Hawthorne to the SA and to .

> >

> > #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed

> up the history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his

> personality, even shared with us the fact that in the early years of

> the SA, when it was still unfolding, he even went wrong with some

of

> the predictions in the beginning. Here was an example of a truly

> great Master of his discipline whose joy came from his learning &

> sharing the same with his fellow travellers, rather than from the

> pursuit of some power & position. He shocked us by telling us that

> some bright IT engineers needed no more than 16 hrs to get a working

> knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some two months, at the

> rate of two one hour lectures per week.

> >

> > An SA solution for a `dacoits-problem': A telling example of a

> difficult astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before

> us, in the course of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur

> royal family was occupied by dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the

> Police also being hand in glove; the legal owners of that royal

> premises, who were now ousted, also did not have any possibility of

> taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who dared to

walk

> into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into the

> jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the

> family put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my

horoscope

> and those of my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the

> occupied palace, risking our life, with the sole purpose of

acquiring

> back the property into our hands. As a great astrologer, you can

> tell, who has to play the role of the dare-devil? " Applying the SA

> sutras pertinent to the variables of courage & longevity, Prof.

> Choudhry was able to nominate the hero! Such is the power of the SA-

> especially in the hands of its creator.

> >

> > #5. SA solutions for `Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling

questions

> put before by his clients were also shared. In one

> instance, the only child of certain parents had to go in for an

> emergency brain-surgery during the last week of March, 2006, near

> about the day of the eclipse. The question was, whether the

emergency

> surgery could be performed on the eclipse day and the situation was

> so bad that the surgeon was not even prepared to give a guarantee

> that the operation would restore the child to normalcy. The verdict

> of the SA was that the operation could be performed on the so-called

> dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at this

> verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

> pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example

> of a `hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it

> would be propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the

> eclipse day? The Prof revealed the predictive power of the SA by

> mentioning each of these `hard problems' and how the SA shed such

> unambiguous light on how one should actually proceed in such

baffling

> matters in which the stakes were high. Then he also gave an example

> of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the VH of speculation was

> exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign Scorpio, through

> mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the warning

of

> the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a single

> day's speculative move.

> >

> > #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the

> importance of adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an

> essential mandate for all astrologers. The importance of the

> disciplined performance of remedial measures was also driven home &

> beautifully illustrated in the case of an individual, who fled from

> home, leaving parents, wife & children and returned back only after

> the wife had been performing remedial measures for her own chart &

> the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs. Once

again

> the `concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought to the

> fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu

> remedial measures may be applied to birds other than crows in

foreign

> lands; remedial measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a

> reliable substitute in modern alien cultures.

> >

> > #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of

> medical astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity

> in all fevers and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days

as

> they were caused by the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke

> respectively over the Asdt variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to

> become stationary, then the '21 day fever' like chickenpox & typhoid

> would suffer a prolongation with the onset of a relapse etc. One was

> left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

> >

> > #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates

> took the discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch &

> dinner, since was with us right through. The light he

> threw on the future of India was very interesting. When I asked him

> whether communism has a future in Indian politics, his unambiguous

> reply was that at the center, there isn't any promise of a

> substantial future, but that the question of this ideology at the

> level of the states, must be separately seen to. He drew attention

to

> the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently underway &

> added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

> placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

> intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

> Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since

> the Su & the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody

put

> the question for remedial measures for the country, he maintained

> that remedial measures will definitely help the country. Light was

> also thrown on the whole question of duality, as exemplified in the

> chart of the famous actor Sri. Amitabh Bacchan.

> >

> > #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts

> continued outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the

> delegates themselves and also with throughout the

> course of the 4 or 5 days. Interestingly when asked whether there

> were indeed a few `enigmatic charts', in which the trouble or

> misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi chart; he

> maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

> enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

> >

> > #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

> discussions with , I had much pleasure either in

> discussing charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt.

> Kiranji, then with all three American delegates & with the

> astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri. Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra,

> Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi, Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri.

> Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth and to a lesser

> extent with the other delegates as well.

> >

> > #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially

> since Prof & his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened

> to us once more to learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs

> with the Prof. All Indian delegates as well as the delegates from

the

> US, had that SA `family feeling' and the essence of the Conf was

the

> spirit of continuous learning, without any barrier between the Prof,

> his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous lunch hosted by Prof.

> Choudhry and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very well with the

> regal splendour of the Taj!

> >

> > #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day Prof.

> Choudhry asked me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA

> sutras, which I had already gathered together as pertinent for the

> spiritual life in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha. I began the

session

> with the latest SA sutra on `Su-like' Hs & `Su-like' lords, which

has

> appeared for the first time in the latest edition of Predictive

> Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a `Su-like' power, which the

> other Hs do not possess. There was much discussion on this sutra in

> the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

> commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr. George Bush

> Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions like

> the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

> political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case &

> the Asdt lord is also placed in the IIIH.

> >

> > #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I

> gave a power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the

> spheres of Dharma & Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri.

> Rajeshji have been kind enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for

> which I feel grateful. As this PPP is now available on the website,

> and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also come on the net, more need not

> be said about them, in this bulletin. I have mainly tried to cover

> the insights given by at this Conf, but what I have

> mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

> >

> > #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji,

> Smt. Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson,

> Dr(Mrs) Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu

> mothers & spouses of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely

> added a fullness & greater balance to the whole Conf and in this

> family gathering we were witnessing one of the best values of the

> ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect for women in their

> various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a sister, and

as

> our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

> >

> > #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your

> inimitable wisdom & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such

> a strong support & companion in the life of ; thank

you

> Sri. Rajeshji, for your pure heart, for your great intelligence &

> selfless service. Thank you Smt. Taneshaji for bringing new light &

> new life into the Prof's family & we felt so happy beholding the

face

> of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry forward the work of the

> Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound learning & not just

> that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous hospitality of

Prof.

> Choudhry & his entire family.

> >

> > Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane

Johnson

> for being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient

> Hindu culture. Thank you for having been a part of our SA family.

> With so many planets placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may

> never be able to free herself of her `family centeredness'-and a

> Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that! Thank you all SA

> astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach and for a

> generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

> necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters

of

> SA knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and

> his family be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be

> pleased with us all! Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are

> grateful to our Masters Amma & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as

well

> as the blessings of my other beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi

and

> others. Because of their blessings, we could have the extreme good

> fortune of coming to know , and his wonderful

families:

> small and large.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Sincerely yours

> > Sankara Bhagavadpada

> >

> >

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Dear Professor and Mr Bhagavadpada,

 

Thank you both for sharing so much about the conference. God willing and

circumstance permitting, I'll be at the next one.

 

I have a question related to the sutras document recently posted. Please if

you will, enlighten me/us what D & M, and A & K are:

 

" If strong spiritual planets in the D & M spheres are not present in the

chart; then the strong afflictions and weaknesses of the planets in the A &

K spheres; may only serve to " drown and trap " the individual in a life of

struggle, confining the individual to the A & K spheres.

 

 

 

" If on the other hand, when strong afflictions and weaknesses of the A & K

lords co-exist side by side with strong D & M Lords; then we have the best

illustration of the highest spiritual life, characterized by all the higher

significations of the strong D and M lords. This may be called the Nivritti

Marga[N].

 

 

 

" However, if strong spiritual potentials, in the form of strong D & M Lords

co-exist with strong A & K Lords as well; then we have a mixture of

Nivritti[N] and Pravritti[P] in that spiritual life. That is, in this case,

while the individual is spiritual, he also has involvement in the world and

may also in such cases, enjoy success in the worldly sphere as well. "

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

 

-

" Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada

 

Cc: <siha

Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:40 PM

Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

 

Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th &

9th ¢06.

 

Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

 

Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf in

person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates success

with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a worthwhile

lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we have

been through it fully.

 

#1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an overt

or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to be

a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & drowned' in a sea of

anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those happy

situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us the

warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

 

Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a modern

European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not have

chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the wheels of learning' of the

Systems Approach.

 

Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American delegates

and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates felt

that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith, President

of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the IIPA

Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the Indian

delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the

American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our

American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

 

#2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The 'family atmosphere'

created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy of

joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable 'Indian

Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

support & sharing.

 

#3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and sincere message

from the President of the

American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer it

would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from France]

were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David

Hawthorne to the SA and to .

 

#4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was still

unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

 

An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling example of a difficult

astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied by

dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove; the

legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not have

any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking into

the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope and those of

my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property into

our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role of

the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

 

#5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions put

before by his clients were also shared. In one instance, the

only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse. The

question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed on

the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The Prof

revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these 'hard

problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of the

VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding the

warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

single day's speculative move.

 

#5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures for

her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought to

the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu remedial

measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands; remedial

measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

modern alien cultures.

 

#6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused by

the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the '21 day

fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the onset

of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA insight.

 

#7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su &

the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question

for remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial measures

will definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole

question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri.

Amitabh Bacchan.

 

#8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few 'enigmatic charts',

in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the Rasi

chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

 

#9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with all

three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

 

#10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof &

his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA 'family feeling'

and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning, without

any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went very

well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

 

#11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the spheres

of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on

'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared for the first time in the

latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a

'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much

discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life, when

commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr.

George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions

like the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the Asdt

lord is also placed in the IIIH.

 

#12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma &

Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As this

PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I have

mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf, but

what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

 

#13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers & spouses

of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater

balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing

one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect

for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a

sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

 

#14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable wisdom

& knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof's family & we felt

so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

hospitality of & his entire family.

 

Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu culture.

Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself of

her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us all!

Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters Amma

& Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their blessings,

we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know , and

his wonderful families: small and large.

Kind Regards,

Sincerely yours

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:37 AM

Re: Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

dear Vyas munidas

D for dharma.

M for moksha.

A for artha.

K for kama

best wishes,

K.Batra

Gurgaon.

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

 

Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:54 PM

Re: Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

> Dear Professor and Mr Bhagavadpada,

>

> Thank you both for sharing so much about the conference. God willing and

> circumstance permitting, I'll be at the next one.

>

> I have a question related to the sutras document recently posted. Please

if

> you will, enlighten me/us what D & M, and A & K are:

>

> " If strong spiritual planets in the D & M spheres are not present in the

> chart; then the strong afflictions and weaknesses of the planets in the A

&

> K spheres; may only serve to " drown and trap " the individual in a life of

> struggle, confining the individual to the A & K spheres.

>

>

>

> " If on the other hand, when strong afflictions and weaknesses of the A &

K

> lords co-exist side by side with strong D & M Lords; then we have the best

> illustration of the highest spiritual life, characterized by all the

higher

> significations of the strong D and M lords. This may be called the

Nivritti

> Marga[N].

>

>

>

> " However, if strong spiritual potentials, in the form of strong D & M

Lords

> co-exist with strong A & K Lords as well; then we have a mixture of

> Nivritti[N] and Pravritti[P] in that spiritual life. That is, in this

case,

> while the individual is spiritual, he also has involvement in the world

and

> may also in such cases, enjoy success in the worldly sphere as well. "

>

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

>

>

> -

> " Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankarapada

>

> Cc: <siha

> Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:40 PM

> Glimpses of the SA Conf

>

>

>

> Glimpses of the Intl Conf on the Systems Approach at Gurgaon, on Apr 8th

&

> 9th ¢06.

>

> Dear Prof.Choudhry & the circle of SA Astrologers,

>

> Namasthe. I was at the SA Intl Conf in Gurgaon over the last weekend and

> thought it would be good to share some of my blessings with fellow SA

> Astrologers, who for various reasons have been unable to attend this Conf

in

> person. Now, man is intimidated by numbers and unconsciously equates

success

> with bigger numbers! You could even say that being in the grip of maya,

> quantity always impresses us rather than quality. The SA Conf has been

> unlike many of the modern conferences and I thought it will be a

worthwhile

> lesson for us all, to do some stock-taking of its virtues, now that we

have

> been through it fully.

>

> #1. Small was beautiful : We were two among 22 participants and were able

> to breathe very freely as the air was not heavy with the weight of an

overt

> or covert academic hierarchy. The smallness of the numbers turned out to

be

> a tremendous blessing, in that no one was 'lost & drowned' in a sea of

> anonymity, as happens invariably in large gatherings- except in those

happy

> situations when a close circle of old-friends or family bestows upon us

the

> warmth of an emotional cover. Whether a foreigner or an Indian, everyone

> must have definitely felt very secure at this SA Conf.

>

> Serene Setting: Here in Club South, you felt as though you were in a

modern

> European retreat center, but with the serene atmosphere of an

> establishment in the 18th Century! The Conf verandah as well as restaurant

> were overlooking the pool & the lovely lawns & could not

have

> chosen a more serene setting for 'propelling the wheels of learning' of

the

> Systems Approach.

>

> Well-cared for Western SA Astrologers: There were three American

delegates

> and SA Astrologers with us; but, neither they, nor the Indian delegates

felt

> that participants belonged to different cultures. Dr. Shayn Smith,

President

> of the IIPA Chapter in Colorado; Dr. Jonathan Miller, President of the

IIPA

> Chapter in California and Ms. Sloane Johnson, mixed freely with the

Indian

> delegates and this was also reciprocated and the only difficulty for the

> American delegates could have been the heat of Delhi, as that was just

> beginning its peak period. 's, Smt.Kiranji's and Sri

> Rajeshji's warm but unobtrusive hospitality- as I could see- put our

> American SA Astrologers completely at ease.

>

> #2. An atmosphere of learning: With the smallness of numbers giving us the

> comfort & 'family cohesion'; the Conf had already begun on the 7th Apr

> itself; when had begun talking to Dr. Shayn Smith in the

> lounge of the club! The Conf had a fluidic quality to it, for it was the

> creation of whose attitude to life was such that, life is

> best enjoyed & savoured only when one flows with the movement of life,

> knowing that this is how the rhythms of God flow. The 'family atmosphere'

> created a very welcome feeling and no participant refrained from the joy

of

> joining in the discussions. The friendliness of the atmosphere was evident

> to even newcomers like my wife & myself and it became an enjoyable 'Indian

> Conf ' when 's family joined the Conf, in a spirit of warm

> support & sharing.

>

> #3. Mr. David Hawthorne's message: There was a beautiful and sincere

message

> from the President of the

> American chapter, Mr. David Hawthorne and one only wished how much nicer

it

> would have been if Mr. David Hawthorne as well as Mr. Jo Cohen[from

France]

> were also with us that morning. I could sense the commitment of Mr. David

> Hawthorne to the SA and to .

>

> #4.Prof.Choudhry's overview of the SA in 2006: He, briefly summed up the

> history of the SA and as is so characteristic of his personality, even

> shared with us the fact that in the early years of the SA, when it was

still

> unfolding, he even went wrong with some of the predictions in the

> beginning. Here was an example of a truly great Master of his discipline

> whose joy came from his learning & sharing the same with his fellow

> travellers, rather than from the pursuit of some power & position. He

> shocked us by telling us that some bright IT engineers needed no more than

> 16 hrs to get a working knowledge of the SA, and this took them only some

> two months, at the rate of two one hour lectures per week.

>

> An SA solution for a 'dacoits-problem': A telling example of a difficult

> astrological problem was also placed by the Prof, before us, in the course

> of his talk: the palatial residence of a Jaipur royal family was occupied

by

> dacoits-it appears. The dacoits and the Police also being hand in glove;

the

> legal owners of that royal premises, who were now ousted, also did not

have

> any possibility of taking the case to the Police. All knew that anyone who

> dared to walk into the dacoit infested palatial residence, was walking

into

> the jaws of death. In these perilous circumstances, the head of the family

> put the following question to the Prof. " Here is my horoscope and those

of

> my three sons. Which one of us will have to go into the occupied palace,

> risking our life, with the sole purpose of acquiring back the property

into

> our hands. As a great astrologer, you can tell, who has to play the role

of

> the dare-devil? " Applying the SA sutras pertinent to the variables of

> courage & longevity, was able to nominate the hero! Such is

> the power of the SA-especially in the hands of its creator.

>

> #5. SA solutions for 'Hard-problems': Other mind-boggling questions put

> before by his clients were also shared. In one instance,

the

> only child of certain parents had to go in for an emergency brain-surgery

> during the last week of March, 2006, near about the day of the eclipse.

The

> question was, whether the emergency surgery could be performed on the

> eclipse day and the situation was so bad that the surgeon was not even

> prepared to give a guarantee that the operation would restore the child to

> normalcy. The verdict of the SA was that the operation could be performed

on

> the so-called dreaded day and that it would be successful. In arriving at

> this verdict, explained how he had used the SA sutra

> pertinent to the orb of maximum influence. There was a third example of a

> 'hard problem' from the VA point of view, which was, whether it would be

> propitious to buy a property worth $ 8,000,000 on the eclipse day? The

Prof

> revealed the predictive power of the SA by mentioning each of these 'hard

> problems' and how the SA shed such unambiguous light on how one should

> actually proceed in such baffling matters in which the stakes were high.

> Then he also gave an example of a Libra Asdt chart in which the lord of

the

> VH of speculation was exactly afflicted by the MMP Me, in the deadly sign

> Scorpio, through mutual aspect. The individual in question, not heeding

the

> warning of the Prof, fell into misfortune when she lost $ 1,000,000 in a

> single day's speculative move.

>

> #5. More on SA principles: Prof. V.K. Choudhry stressed the importance of

> adhering to high spiritual & moral principles- as an essential mandate for

> all astrologers. The importance of the disciplined performance of remedial

> measures was also driven home & beautifully illustrated in the case of an

> individual, who fled from home, leaving parents, wife & children and

> returned back only after the wife had been performing remedial measures

for

> her own chart & the chart of her husband, for a prolonged period of 4 yrs.

> Once again the 'concealed power' of the SA remedial measures was brought

to

> the fore. In this connection he also mentioned that while the Rahu

remedial

> measures may be applied to birds other than crows in foreign lands;

remedial

> measures for Ke involving stray dogs, hardly had a reliable substitute in

> modern alien cultures.

>

> #6. Three kinds of fevers: Coming to the SA in the sphere of medical

> astrology, revealed the pattern of simplicity in all fevers

> and said these were only of durations 3, 7 & 21 days as they were caused

by

> the Tr of the fiery planets the Su, Ma & Ke respectively over the Asdt

> variables. In the Tr of Ke if it were to become stationary, then the '21

day

> fever' like chickenpox & typhoid would suffer a prolongation with the

onset

> of a relapse etc. One was left stunned by the simplicity of the SA

insight.

>

> #7.Prof.Choudhry on India: It invariably happened that delegates took the

> discussions out of the Conf room and with them for lunch & dinner, since

> was with us right through. The light he threw on the future

> of India was very interesting. When I asked him whether communism has a

> future in Indian politics, his unambiguous reply was that at the center,

> there isn't any promise of a substantial future, but that the question of

> this ideology at the level of the states, must be separately seen to. He

> drew attention to the role of Me in the IT revolution that is currently

> underway & added that so many planets in the IIIH of communication & the

> placement of Me & Mo therein is what has inclined the educated

> intelligentsia to this Mercurial & intellectual vocations. In Prof.

> Choudhry's view, India is indeed heading for a bright future, since the Su

&

> the Mo main periods now lie in the offing. When somebody put the question

> for remedial measures for the country, he maintained that remedial

measures

> will definitely help the country. Light was also thrown on the whole

> question of duality, as exemplified in the chart of the famous actor Sri.

> Amitabh Bacchan.

>

> #8. A very reassuring sutra: The discussions on various charts continued

> outside the technical sessions of the Conf, among the delegates themselves

> and also with throughout the course of the 4 or 5 days.

> Interestingly when asked whether there were indeed a few 'enigmatic

charts',

> in which the trouble or misfortune was not straightaway visible in the

Rasi

> chart; he maintained that when SA light is thrown, no chart can remain

> enigmatic & hide its patterns. This was a very reassuring sutra!

>

> #9. The SA family feeling: Apart from having great joy in repeated

> discussions with , I had much pleasure either in discussing

> charts or some other matters with Sri. Rajeshji, Smt. Kiranji, then with

all

> three American delegates & with the astrologers: Sri. Pradeep Sethi, Sri.

> Kumar Juraney, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Mr. & Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Sri Jagadesh Sethi,

> Sri. Rajul Kaushik, Sri. Rajiv Jamwal, Sri. Aman Deep Saini, Sri. Samarth

> and to a lesser extent with the other delegates as well.

>

> #10. The trip to Taj Mahal: was a lovely experience, especially since Prof

&

> his full family joined us & the opportunity was opened to us once more to

> learn directly in the course of ongoing satsangs with the Prof. All Indian

> delegates as well as the delegates from the US, had that SA 'family

feeling'

> and the essence of the Conf was the spirit of continuous learning,

without

> any barrier between the Prof, his family & the SA astrologers. A sumptuous

> lunch hosted by and Smt.Kiranji, at Mughal Sheraton went

very

> well with the regal splendour of the Taj!

>

> #11. SA sutras in Dharma and Moksha: On the first day asked

> me to give an impromptu presentation of some 40 SA sutras, which I had

> already gathered together as pertinent for the spiritual life in the

spheres

> of Dharma & Moksha. I began the session with the latest SA sutra on

> 'Su-like' Hs & 'Su-like' lords, which has appeared for the first time in

the

> latest edition of Predictive Techniques. The IX, II & III Hs enjoy a

> 'Su-like' power, which the other Hs do not possess. There was much

> discussion on this sutra in the Conf and it came spectacularly to life,

when

> commented on the chart of the present US President, Mr.

> George Bush Jr. In the chart of the President, the IIIH lord Me functions

> like the Su & has been responsible for his Presidentship & victory in

> political battles. The IIIH lord influences the Asdt in this case & the

Asdt

> lord is also placed in the IIIH.

>

> #12. SA in the spheres of Dharma & Moksha: On the following day I gave a

> power point presentation on the Systems Approach in the spheres of Dharma

&

> Moksha[Technical session]. & Sri. Rajeshji have been kind

> enough to post my PPP on the SA website, for which I feel grateful. As

this

> PPP is now available on the website, and as the 40 odd SA sutras have also

> come on the net, more need not be said about them, in this bulletin. I

have

> mainly tried to cover the insights given by at this Conf,

but

> what I have mentioned is in many respects, incomplete.

>

> #13. The important role of women in this Intl Conf: Smt.Kiranji, Smt.

> Taneshaji, Dr(Mrs). Batra, Dr(Mrs). Sethi, Ms. Sloane Johnson, Dr(Mrs)

> Prema[my wife], Smt. Virmaniji, Smt.Renuji and other Hindu mothers &

spouses

> of the SA astrologers-their presence definitely added a fullness & greater

> balance to the whole Conf and in this family gathering we were witnessing

> one of the best values of the ancient Hindu civilization, which is respect

> for women in their various stations in life, as a mother, as a wife, as a

> sister, and as our spiritual-equals in life, etc.

>

> #14. Gratitude to all !:Thank you , for your inimitable

wisdom

> & knowledge, thank you Smt. Kiranji for being such a strong support &

> companion in the life of ; thank you Sri. Rajeshji, for your

> pure heart, for your great intelligence & selfless service. Thank you Smt.

> Taneshaji for bringing new light & new life into the Prof's family & we

felt

> so happy beholding the face of Sri. Vishnukant, who is destined to carry

> forward the work of the Prof! We carry home the blessings of profound

> learning & not just that, we have been recipients of the magnanimous

> hospitality of & his entire family.

>

> Thank you Dr. Shayn Smith, Dr. Jonathan Miller & Ms. Sloane Johnson for

> being so friendly & for partaking in the ways of our ancient Hindu

culture.

> Thank you for having been a part of our SA family. With so many planets

> placed in the IV Sign of Cancer, India, may never be able to free herself

of

> her 'family centeredness'-and a Cancer Asdt is saying all this, at that!

> Thank you all SA astrologers, for your gentle, open and friendly approach

> and for a generous sharing of your knowledge, in which there was never a

> necessity to play any games. Thank you all for drinking the waters of SA

> knowledge and wisdom, given to us by . May he and his family

> be always there for us, to show us the way. May God be pleased with us

all!

> Personally my wife Dr. Prema and myself, we are grateful to our Masters

Amma

> & Bhagavan, for their blessings, as well as the blessings of my other

> beloved Masters, Sri.Ramana Maharshi and others. Because of their

blessings,

> we could have the extreme good fortune of coming to know ,

and

> his wonderful families: small and large.

> Kind Regards,

> Sincerely yours

> Sankara Bhagavadpada

>

>

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Dear , Dr. Sankara Bhagavadpada, IIPA Conference

Members, and List Members,

 

Please excuse me for joining this discussion so late. I returned

early yesterday morning after having spent three days in Paris after

the IIPA conference.

 

, please accept my deepest gratitude for the

warmth and hospitality you and Mrs. Kiran extended to me during my

visit. As a Virgo ascendant, I was impressed with the attention to

detail that went in to making this such a successful conference and

such a wonderful sightseeing opportunity.

 

Rajesh, Mrs. Tanesha and little Vishnukant, what a pleasure it was

to enjoy the company of your family. You put many smiles on my face.

 

Dr. Bhagavadpada, you so eloquently summarized the conference

proceedings. Thank you so much for sharing your time and wisdom with

me. Every word you spoke about the feeling of inclusiveness of all

SA members at the conference is true. Prema, please know that I very

much appreciate your patient coaching to me of the beautiful culture

of your great country. And blessings to you both for the gift of the

book, " India Unbound. "

 

Samarth, it was a real treat to analyze with you chart after chart.

I look forward to seeing you share your knowledge with the list.

 

Dr. Miller and Ms. Sloan, I cannot tell you how much fun I had

playing music with you. Thanks for the making the time.

 

And to all the conference members and list members, please accept my

humblest thanks for sharing the knowledge of this mighty science of

light.

 

Warm regards,

Shayn

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Hello dear Mr. Smith,

 

Glad to know that you are back and happy.

The delegates benefitted by your exchange of views and company. Thanks for

your kind words. Each travel and meetings with people certainly results in

memories.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

-

" Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith

 

Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:21 AM

Re: Glimpses of the SA Conf

 

 

> Dear , Dr. Sankara Bhagavadpada, IIPA Conference

> Members, and List Members,

>

> Please excuse me for joining this discussion so late. I returned

> early yesterday morning after having spent three days in Paris after

> the IIPA conference.

>

> , please accept my deepest gratitude for the

> warmth and hospitality you and Mrs. Kiran extended to me during my

> visit. As a Virgo ascendant, I was impressed with the attention to

> detail that went in to making this such a successful conference and

> such a wonderful sightseeing opportunity.

>

> Rajesh, Mrs. Tanesha and little Vishnukant, what a pleasure it was

> to enjoy the company of your family. You put many smiles on my face.

>

> Dr. Bhagavadpada, you so eloquently summarized the conference

> proceedings. Thank you so much for sharing your time and wisdom with

> me. Every word you spoke about the feeling of inclusiveness of all

> SA members at the conference is true. Prema, please know that I very

> much appreciate your patient coaching to me of the beautiful culture

> of your great country. And blessings to you both for the gift of the

> book, " India Unbound. "

>

> Samarth, it was a real treat to analyze with you chart after chart.

> I look forward to seeing you share your knowledge with the list.

>

> Dr. Miller and Ms. Sloan, I cannot tell you how much fun I had

> playing music with you. Thanks for the making the time.

>

> And to all the conference members and list members, please accept my

> humblest thanks for sharing the knowledge of this mighty science of

> light.

>

> Warm regards,

> Shayn

 

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