Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hello people, I have spent 4 days, with this chart. I must be very very DUMB, but I cannot see education in there, as per SA principles. I think, I do need some spoon-feeding here, with systematic delineations as per SA rules. ........seems to me, I am not the only one, scratching my head. I will wait with Raj for a saviour - hope I am not waiting for Santa. Regards, Fraser. , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Rui > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was where is the answer? > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from the Masters and I am waiting. > > Raj > - > rupamede > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > Re: Re: no education > > > Raj, > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you answer Fraser then? > Rui. > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Hello Rui > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you peruse the mail thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following points > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house significations, which > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or are they??? > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please correct me if I > > > am wrong... > > " > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while analysing educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > Further you analysed > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help already > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research abilities to > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education indications in the > > > chart. > > > > > " > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and functional significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated but also under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC PLANET. So though it can provide the native with general and functional signfications of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. As per your version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education because Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of education. > > > > Further you analysed > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG house of Mars > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education** would also > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a benefic** on > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some good > > > indications after all... > > " > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > placed in 8th house > > in fant > > close to the Sun > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and Malefic Mars, that the native can accomplish desirable education without any shortcomings is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods: > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of age) > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of age) > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic afflicting Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of age) > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and afflicted. > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should have been avoided. > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord ruling occult and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength point of view. But if this is taken into account as a general principle then what combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of a native. Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with these combinations if yes how? > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > Raj > > - > > rupamede > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, seem to be > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of Mars and the > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you care to > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an importance to the 8th > > lord. > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does rule education specifically higher education involving intellectual capabilities. Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's site. > > > V House > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, speculative gains from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, children, knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are considered for higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is closely combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and afflicted by MMP. > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological infrastructre required to check the education, which has been given as under (as per prof SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing educational accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second and fourth houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence (Jupiter) and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for consideration. > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and 24 years. As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of education, the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the progress of education, both academic and professional. > > > 2. As the results of one's educational accomplishments are filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating planetary periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is medicine, engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job, etc. > > > 3. The second house rules status and its relationship with the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the planets placed in the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding the native for his efforts in life. > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti between the age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire education suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3) settle properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an impetus to the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and Moon along with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational period during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and afflicted, 4th lord Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and afflicted by Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th house, and the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted Venus till 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not flourish. > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can supercede all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then it will be Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > RPM > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house significations, cause its > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars creates, takes > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house significations, which > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or are they??? > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please correct me if I > > > am wrong... > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help already > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research abilities to > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education indications in the > > > chart. > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG house of Mars > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education** would also > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a benefic** on > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some good > > > indications after all... > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the following chart for > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I believe that from > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about the chart you put > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong planet is Saturn > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher education) is very weak > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think her profession > > > would > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is in malefic 6th. > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic. > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations, cause its not MT > > > house. > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th house. > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars creates, takes > > > care of > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a systematic delineation > > > to > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that I am so good at. > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no education or very > > > > > little education. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined towards research due > > > to the > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th house AND conjunct > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I cannot see any > > > good > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep enough. Or maybe I > > > am > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see things where they do > > > not > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you saying she is > > > not. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where only the Malefics > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and that is if we > > > look at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is conjunct Jupiter in the > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of the 8th of > > > Research. > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person was born in 1973, > > > we > > > > > should > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful or not... This is > > > my > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know what our dear > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on the education > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any hope that this > > > native > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is combust and afflicted by > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house, and afflicted by > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th house, and afflicted > > > by > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is debilitated and > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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