Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 my dear Rui, It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. Thanks for your post ! Regards, Fraser , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written in > stone and things change with time. > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you have > to use your own imagination and discernment. > Regards, Rui. > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > my dear turtle, > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on you. > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, *intellectual* and > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers to > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER the > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > Regards, > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read > > the > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > education > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and > > also > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > especially > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > > > > causes > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > > > > education. > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > > > > lord > > > > > makes the > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > studies. > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > obstructions, > > > > > losses and > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > But > > > > my > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > you. > > > > Let > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question > > was > > > > > where is the > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > > > > from > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can > > you > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If > > you > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > Education - > > > > or > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > > > please > > > > > correct me > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > > > > analysing > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > would > > > > help > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > Research > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > education > > > > > indications in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > general > > > > and > > > > > functional > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > debilitated > > > > > but also > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > MALEFIC > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > functional > > > > > signfications > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > context. > > > > > As per your > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > education > > > > > because > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > > > STRONG > > > > > house of > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > education** > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > **still > > > > is a > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > see > > > > some > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > > > > any > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- 17 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > malefic > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- 23 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed > > and > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > should > > > > > have been > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th > > lord > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > strength > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle > > then > > > > > what > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > pursuits of > > > > > a native. > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > education > > > > with > > > > > these > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > Fraser, > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > influence of > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward > > if > > > > you > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > > > > does > > > > > rule > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > intellectual > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > professor's > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > > > > and > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > > > > creative > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > progeny, > > > > > children, > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > > > > considered for > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord > > Venus > > > > is > > > > > closely > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > debilitated > > > > and > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > astrological > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > > > > under > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > assessing > > > > > educational > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > > > > (second > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > intelligence > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also > > call > > > > for > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of > > 16 > > > > and > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > significator of > > > > > education, > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard > > the > > > > > progress of > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > operating > > > > > planetary > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > whether > > > > it is > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > routine > > > > job, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > rewarding > > > > > the native > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > between the > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > acquire > > > > > education > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; > > and > > > > (3) > > > > > settle > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets > > give > > > > an > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > Mercury > > > > and > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > operational > > > > > period > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > placed > > > > and > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > > > > 8th > > > > > house, and > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > afflicted > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned > > could > > > > not > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > grounds, > > > > can > > > > > supercede > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > MEP, > > > > then > > > > > it will be > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > Lord of > > > > the > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > Saturn to > > > > > defend this > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, > > that > > > > Mars > > > > > creates, > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > Education - > > > > or > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > 9th - > > > > > please correct > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > Research > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > education > > > > > indications in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > > 8th > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** would > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > **still is > > > > > a > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > > > see > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > > > > the > > > > > following > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and > > how > > > > I > > > > > believe that > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > > > > about > > > > > the chart > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > > > > strong > > > > > planet is > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > > > > think > > > > > her > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > education, is > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > significations, > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this > > 5th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > > > > Mars > > > > > creates, > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > > > > systematic > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > that > > > > > I am so > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > > > > for no > > > > > education > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " RPM " > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > inclined > > > > > towards research > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > auspicious > > > > 5th > > > > > house AND > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > > > > that, I > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > > > > deep > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to > > see > > > > > things where > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " fraser " > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or > > are > > > > you > > > > > saying she > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > > > > where > > > > > only the > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one > > way > > > > and > > > > > that is if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the > > MEP > > > > of > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > > > > person > > > > > was born in > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > successful > > > > > or not... > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > > > > know > > > > > what our > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > > > > light on > > > > > the > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > there > > > > any > > > > > hope that > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > > > > combust and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > > > > house, > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in > > 6th > > > > > house, and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > house > > > > is > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Well Fraser, Sometimes books do not contain all explanations, that's why I said you have to use your own discernment. In this case, we have the rare opportunity to ask the authour, so let's see what the Professor says about your post and now mine. I am sure he will have a logical explanation. We are all learning here, I think... Regards, Rui. On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser wrote: > my dear Rui, > It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, > and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you > saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see > all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a > different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order > chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. > Thanks for your post ! > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written > in > > stone and things change with time. > > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you > have > > to use your own imagination and discernment. > > Regards, Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > my dear turtle, > > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on > you. > > > Regards, > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, > *intellectual* and > > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, > wisdom, > > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers > to > > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER > the > > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can > read > > > the > > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > > education > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education > and > > > also > > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > > especially > > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth > lord > > > > > causes > > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second > house > > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant > place for > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the > eleventh > > > > > lord > > > > > > makes the > > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > > studies. > > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > > obstructions, > > > > > > losses and > > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > > But > > > > > my > > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > > you. > > > > > Let > > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me > too am > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The > question > > > was > > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart > can > > > you > > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. > If > > > you > > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > > following > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > 9th - > > > > > please > > > > > > correct me > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of > while > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > > general > > > > > and > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > but also > > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > > MALEFIC > > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > > functional > > > > > > signfications > > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > > context. > > > > > > As per your > > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > > education > > > > > > because > > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house > of > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > 8th > > > > > STRONG > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** > > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > **still > > > > > is a > > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I > do > > > see > > > > > some > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak > Moon and > > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education > without > > > > > any > > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the > following > > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- > 17 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > > malefic > > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- > 23 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill > placed > > > and > > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > > should > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being > 8th > > > lord > > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > > strength > > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general > principle > > > then > > > > > > what > > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > > pursuits of > > > > > > a native. > > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > > education > > > > > with > > > > > > these > > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > > Fraser, > > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > > influence of > > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not > insist. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put > forward > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving > such an > > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th > house > > > > > does > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > > intellectual > > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > > professor's > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, > discernment > > > > > and > > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, > memory, > > > > > creative > > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, > lover, > > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > > progeny, > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses > are > > > > > > considered for > > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd > lord > > > Venus > > > > > is > > > > > > closely > > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > > debilitated > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > > astrological > > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given > as > > > > > under > > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > > assessing > > > > > > educational > > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya > sthana, > > > > > (second > > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > > intelligence > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors > also > > > call > > > > > for > > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages > of > > > 16 > > > > > and > > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > > significator of > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will > retard > > > the > > > > > > progress of > > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > > operating > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > > whether > > > > > it is > > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > > routine > > > > > job, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and > its > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as > also the > > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > > rewarding > > > > > > the native > > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > > acquire > > > > > > education > > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable > job; > > > and > > > > > (3) > > > > > > settle > > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong > planets > > > give > > > > > an > > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > > Mercury > > > > > and > > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > > operational > > > > > > period > > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak > and > > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > > placed > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun > and in > > > > > 8th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > > afflicted > > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native > concerned > > > could > > > > > not > > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > > grounds, > > > > > can > > > > > > supercede > > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > > MEP, > > > > > then > > > > > > it will be > > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > > Lord of > > > > > the > > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > > Saturn to > > > > > > defend this > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to > Jupiter, > > > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > > 9th - > > > > > > please correct > > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic > Jupiter > > > > > would > > > > > > help > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in > the > > > 8th > > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of > higher > > > > > > education** would > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > > **still is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so > I do > > > > > see > > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can > give u > > > > > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects > and > > > how > > > > > I > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I > said > > > > > about > > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? > Only > > > > > strong > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of > higher > > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do > you > > > > > think > > > > > > her > > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > > education, is > > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse > and > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend > this > > > 5th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied > and a > > > > > > systematic > > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > > that > > > > > > I am so > > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the > case > > > > > for no > > > > > > education > > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " RPM " > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > > inclined > > > > > > towards research > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > > auspicious > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house AND > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other > than > > > > > that, I > > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not > looking > > > > > deep > > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive > and to > > > see > > > > > > things where > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " fraser " > > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is > educated or > > > are > > > > > you > > > > > > saying she > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a > chart > > > > > where > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see > one > > > way > > > > > and > > > > > > that is if > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord > Mars is > > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on > the > > > MEP > > > > > of > > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since > this > > > > > person > > > > > > was born in > > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > > successful > > > > > > or not... > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be > interested to > > > > > know > > > > > > what our > > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser > <fraser@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw > some > > > > > light on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > > there > > > > > any > > > > > > hope that > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd > house) is > > > > > > combust and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in > 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury > in > > > 6th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > > house > > > > > is > > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hello Mr. Fraser, An author cannot include each and every word of dictionary in the book when laying the principles while every effort is made to include main things. Some amount of stretching of meanings may be required at some places. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " fraser " <fraser Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:03 AM Ah! books...... my dear Rui, It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. Thanks for your post ! Regards, Fraser , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written in > stone and things change with time. > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you have > to use your own imagination and discernment. > Regards, Rui. > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > my dear turtle, > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on you. > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, *intellectual* and > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers to > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER the > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > Regards, > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read > > the > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > education > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and > > also > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > especially > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > > > > causes > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > > > > education. > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > > > > lord > > > > > makes the > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > studies. > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > obstructions, > > > > > losses and > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > But > > > > my > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > you. > > > > Let > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question > > was > > > > > where is the > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > > > > from > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can > > you > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If > > you > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > Education - > > > > or > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > > > please > > > > > correct me > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > > > > analysing > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > would > > > > help > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > Research > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > education > > > > > indications in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > general > > > > and > > > > > functional > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > debilitated > > > > > but also > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > MALEFIC > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > functional > > > > > signfications > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > context. > > > > > As per your > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > education > > > > > because > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > > > STRONG > > > > > house of > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > education** > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > **still > > > > is a > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > see > > > > some > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > > > > any > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- 17 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > malefic > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- 23 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed > > and > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > should > > > > > have been > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th > > lord > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > strength > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle > > then > > > > > what > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > pursuits of > > > > > a native. > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > education > > > > with > > > > > these > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > Fraser, > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > influence of > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward > > if > > > > you > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > > > > does > > > > > rule > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > intellectual > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > professor's > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > > > > and > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > > > > creative > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > progeny, > > > > > children, > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > > > > considered for > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord > > Venus > > > > is > > > > > closely > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > debilitated > > > > and > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > astrological > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > > > > under > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > assessing > > > > > educational > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > > > > (second > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > intelligence > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also > > call > > > > for > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of > > 16 > > > > and > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > significator of > > > > > education, > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard > > the > > > > > progress of > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > operating > > > > > planetary > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > whether > > > > it is > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > routine > > > > job, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > rewarding > > > > > the native > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > between the > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > acquire > > > > > education > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; > > and > > > > (3) > > > > > settle > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets > > give > > > > an > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > Mercury > > > > and > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > operational > > > > > period > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > placed > > > > and > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > > > > 8th > > > > > house, and > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > afflicted > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned > > could > > > > not > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > grounds, > > > > can > > > > > supercede > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > MEP, > > > > then > > > > > it will be > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > Lord of > > > > the > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > Saturn to > > > > > defend this > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, > > that > > > > Mars > > > > > creates, > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > Education - > > > > or > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > 9th - > > > > > please correct > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > Research > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > education > > > > > indications in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > > 8th > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** would > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > **still is > > > > > a > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > > > see > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > > > > the > > > > > following > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and > > how > > > > I > > > > > believe that > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > > > > about > > > > > the chart > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > > > > strong > > > > > planet is > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > > > > think > > > > > her > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > education, is > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > significations, > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this > > 5th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > > > > Mars > > > > > creates, > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > > > > systematic > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > that > > > > > I am so > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > > > > for no > > > > > education > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " RPM " > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > inclined > > > > > towards research > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > auspicious > > > > 5th > > > > > house AND > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > > > > that, I > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > > > > deep > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to > > see > > > > > things where > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " fraser " > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or > > are > > > > you > > > > > saying she > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > > > > where > > > > > only the > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one > > way > > > > and > > > > > that is if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the > > MEP > > > > of > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > > > > person > > > > > was born in > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > successful > > > > > or not... > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > > > > know > > > > > what our > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > > > > light on > > > > > the > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > there > > > > any > > > > > hope that > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > > > > combust and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > > > > house, > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in > > 6th > > > > > house, and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > house > > > > is > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Mr Choudhry, Sir, That was not at all meant to knock you, nor your books. I was replying to this natives post, just as in principle. It was a direct address to some 'suck-ups' that we have around here at the forum (Rui included). Now, Sir, watch all the feathers that I have ruffled with this post. Sir, you could sit back and enjoy the fun, this festive season. I am trying to learn, and make a few friends. (and loads of enemies) Not my fault! I can always blame it all on Rahu, and come out smelling of roses. I read that somewhere...... Regards, fraser. , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Fraser, > > An author cannot include each and every word of dictionary in the book when > laying the principles while every effort is made to include main things. > Some amount of stretching of meanings may be required at some places. > > Best wishes, > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India) > Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 > Mobile 98110 16333 > > > - > " fraser " <fraser@p...> > > Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:03 AM > Ah! books...... > > > my dear Rui, > It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, > and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you > saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see > all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a > different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order > chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. > Thanks for your post ! > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written > in > > stone and things change with time. > > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you > have > > to use your own imagination and discernment. > > Regards, Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > my dear turtle, > > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on > you. > > > Regards, > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, > *intellectual* and > > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, > wisdom, > > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers > to > > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER > the > > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can > read > > > the > > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > > education > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education > and > > > also > > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > > especially > > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth > lord > > > > > causes > > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second > house > > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant > place for > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the > eleventh > > > > > lord > > > > > > makes the > > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > > studies. > > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > > obstructions, > > > > > > losses and > > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > > But > > > > > my > > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > > you. > > > > > Let > > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me > too am > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The > question > > > was > > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart > can > > > you > > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. > If > > > you > > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > > following > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > 9th - > > > > > please > > > > > > correct me > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of > while > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > > general > > > > > and > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > but also > > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > > MALEFIC > > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > > functional > > > > > > signfications > > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > > context. > > > > > > As per your > > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > > education > > > > > > because > > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house > of > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > 8th > > > > > STRONG > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** > > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > **still > > > > > is a > > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I > do > > > see > > > > > some > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak > Moon and > > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education > without > > > > > any > > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the > following > > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- > 17 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17- 20 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > > malefic > > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- > 23 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill > placed > > > and > > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > > should > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being > 8th > > > lord > > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > > strength > > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general > principle > > > then > > > > > > what > > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > > pursuits of > > > > > > a native. > > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > > education > > > > > with > > > > > > these > > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > > Fraser, > > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > > influence of > > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not > insist. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put > forward > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving > such an > > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th > house > > > > > does > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > > intellectual > > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > > professor's > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, > discernment > > > > > and > > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, > memory, > > > > > creative > > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, > lover, > > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > > progeny, > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses > are > > > > > > considered for > > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd > lord > > > Venus > > > > > is > > > > > > closely > > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > > debilitated > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > > astrological > > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given > as > > > > > under > > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > > assessing > > > > > > educational > > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya > sthana, > > > > > (second > > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > > intelligence > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors > also > > > call > > > > > for > > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages > of > > > 16 > > > > > and > > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > > significator of > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will > retard > > > the > > > > > > progress of > > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > > operating > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > > whether > > > > > it is > > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > > routine > > > > > job, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and > its > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as > also the > > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > > rewarding > > > > > > the native > > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > > acquire > > > > > > education > > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable > job; > > > and > > > > > (3) > > > > > > settle > > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong > planets > > > give > > > > > an > > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > > Mercury > > > > > and > > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > > operational > > > > > > period > > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak > and > > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > > placed > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun > and in > > > > > 8th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > > afflicted > > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native > concerned > > > could > > > > > not > > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > > grounds, > > > > > can > > > > > > supercede > > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > > MEP, > > > > > then > > > > > > it will be > > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > > Lord of > > > > > the > > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > > Saturn to > > > > > > defend this > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to > Jupiter, > > > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > > 9th - > > > > > > please correct > > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic > Jupiter > > > > > would > > > > > > help > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in > the > > > 8th > > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of > higher > > > > > > education** would > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > > **still is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so > I do > > > > > see > > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can > give u > > > > > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects > and > > > how > > > > > I > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I > said > > > > > about > > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? > Only > > > > > strong > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of > higher > > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do > you > > > > > think > > > > > > her > > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > > education, is > > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse > and > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend > this > > > 5th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied > and a > > > > > > systematic > > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > > that > > > > > > I am so > > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the > case > > > > > for no > > > > > > education > > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " RPM " > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > > inclined > > > > > > towards research > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > > auspicious > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house AND > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other > than > > > > > that, I > > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not > looking > > > > > deep > > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive > and to > > > see > > > > > > things where > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " fraser " > > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is > educated or > > > are > > > > > you > > > > > > saying she > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a > chart > > > > > where > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see > one > > > way > > > > > and > > > > > > that is if > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord > Mars is > > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on > the > > > MEP > > > > > of > > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since > this > > > > > person > > > > > > was born in > > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > > successful > > > > > > or not... > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be > interested to > > > > > know > > > > > > what our > > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser > <fraser@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw > some > > > > > light on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > > there > > > > > any > > > > > > hope that > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd > house) is > > > > > > combust and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in > 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury > in > > > 6th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > > house > > > > > is > > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 dear mr fraser u did not find a vegge example if u make ur stomach a burial ground how can u be master of astrology?just kidding ,but can u please give some comparisons which are reasonable takecare my dear Rui, It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. Thanks for your post ! Regards, Fraser , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written in > stone and things change with time. > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you have > to use your own imagination and discernment. > Regards, Rui. > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > my dear turtle, > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on you. > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, *intellectual* and > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers to > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER the > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > Regards, > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read > > the > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > education > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and > > also > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > especially > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > > > > causes > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > > > > education. > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > > > > lord > > > > > makes the > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > studies. > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > obstructions, > > > > > losses and > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > But > > > > my > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > you. > > > > Let > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question > > was > > > > > where is the > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > > > > from > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can > > you > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If > > you > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > Education - > > > > or > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > > > please > > > > > correct me > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > > > > analysing > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > would > > > > help > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > Research > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > education > > > > > indications in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > general > > > > and > > > > > functional > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > debilitated > > > > > but also > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > MALEFIC > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > functional > > > > > signfications > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > context. > > > > > As per your > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > education > > > > > because > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > > > STRONG > > > > > house of > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > education** > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > **still > > > > is a > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > see > > > > some > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > > > > any > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- 17 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > malefic > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- 23 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed > > and > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > should > > > > > have been > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th > > lord > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > strength > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle > > then > > > > > what > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > pursuits of > > > > > a native. > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > education > > > > with > > > > > these > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > Fraser, > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > influence of > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward > > if > > > > you > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > > > > does > > > > > rule > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > intellectual > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > professor's > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > > > > and > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > > > > creative > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > progeny, > > > > > children, > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > > > > considered for > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord > > Venus > > > > is > > > > > closely > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > debilitated > > > > and > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > astrological > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > > > > under > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > assessing > > > > > educational > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > > > > (second > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > intelligence > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also > > call > > > > for > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of > > 16 > > > > and > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > significator of > > > > > education, > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard > > the > > > > > progress of > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > operating > > > > > planetary > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > whether > > > > it is > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > routine > > > > job, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > rewarding > > > > > the native > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > between the > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > acquire > > > > > education > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; > > and > > > > (3) > > > > > settle > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets > > give > > > > an > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > Mercury > > > > and > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > operational > > > > > period > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > placed > > > > and > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > > > > 8th > > > > > house, and > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > afflicted > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned > > could > > > > not > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > grounds, > > > > can > > > > > supercede > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > MEP, > > > > then > > > > > it will be > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > Lord of > > > > the > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > Saturn to > > > > > defend this > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, > > that > > > > Mars > > > > > creates, > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > Education - > > > > or > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > 9th - > > > > > please correct > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > Research > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > education > > > > > indications in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > > 8th > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** would > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > **still is > > > > > a > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > > > see > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > > > > the > > > > > following > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and > > how > > > > I > > > > > believe that > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > > > > about > > > > > the chart > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > > > > strong > > > > > planet is > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > > > > think > > > > > her > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > education, is > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > significations, > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this > > 5th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > > > > Mars > > > > > creates, > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > > > > systematic > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > that > > > > > I am so > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > > > > for no > > > > > education > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " RPM " > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > inclined > > > > > towards research > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > auspicious > > > > 5th > > > > > house AND > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > > > > that, I > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > > > > deep > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to > > see > > > > > things where > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " fraser " > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or > > are > > > > you > > > > > saying she > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > > > > where > > > > > only the > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one > > way > > > > and > > > > > that is if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the > > MEP > > > > of > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > > > > person > > > > > was born in > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > successful > > > > > or not... > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > > > > know > > > > > what our > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > > > > light on > > > > > the > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > there > > > > any > > > > > hope that > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > > > > combust and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > > > > house, > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in > > 6th > > > > > house, and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > house > > > > is > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Fraser, I regret to see that you regard my natural approach as a " suck-up " when in fact I was just trying to help and to make you see out of the box. Astrology is not an exact Science and I regret to admit *SA is limited* - now do you still think this is a " suck up " to our Professor? SA has in my opinion done a lot for the study of Astrology because it cleansed many wrong misconceptions and superstitions that were creating confusion and obstacles to the learning of Astrology, but maybe in doing that, other things may have been lost and maybe that is why it is not possible to detect many things into detail... but I believe with time SA will improve that. It is only a question of common sense and I think it is the own interest of SA to do so. Regards, Rui. On 16/12/05, kumar kumar <kumar07306 wrote: > dear mr fraser u did not find a vegge example if u make ur stomach a burial ground how can u be master of astrology?just kidding ,but can u please give some comparisons which are reasonable takecare > my dear Rui, > It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, > and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you > saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see > all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a > different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order > chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. > Thanks for your post ! > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written > in > > stone and things change with time. > > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you > have > > to use your own imagination and discernment. > > Regards, Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > my dear turtle, > > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on > you. > > > Regards, > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, > *intellectual* and > > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, > wisdom, > > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers > to > > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER > the > > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can > read > > > the > > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > > education > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education > and > > > also > > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > > especially > > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth > lord > > > > > causes > > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second > house > > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant > place for > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the > eleventh > > > > > lord > > > > > > makes the > > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > > studies. > > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > > obstructions, > > > > > > losses and > > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > > But > > > > > my > > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > > you. > > > > > Let > > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me > too am > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The > question > > > was > > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart > can > > > you > > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. > If > > > you > > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > > following > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > 9th - > > > > > please > > > > > > correct me > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of > while > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > > general > > > > > and > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > but also > > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > > MALEFIC > > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > > functional > > > > > > signfications > > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > > context. > > > > > > As per your > > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > > education > > > > > > because > > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house > of > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > 8th > > > > > STRONG > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** > > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > **still > > > > > is a > > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I > do > > > see > > > > > some > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak > Moon and > > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education > without > > > > > any > > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the > following > > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- > 17 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > > malefic > > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- > 23 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill > placed > > > and > > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > > should > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being > 8th > > > lord > > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > > strength > > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general > principle > > > then > > > > > > what > > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > > pursuits of > > > > > > a native. > > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > > education > > > > > with > > > > > > these > > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > > Fraser, > > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > > influence of > > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not > insist. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put > forward > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving > such an > > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th > house > > > > > does > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > > intellectual > > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > > professor's > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, > discernment > > > > > and > > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, > memory, > > > > > creative > > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, > lover, > > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > > progeny, > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses > are > > > > > > considered for > > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd > lord > > > Venus > > > > > is > > > > > > closely > > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > > debilitated > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > > astrological > > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given > as > > > > > under > > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > > assessing > > > > > > educational > > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya > sthana, > > > > > (second > > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > > intelligence > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors > also > > > call > > > > > for > > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages > of > > > 16 > > > > > and > > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > > significator of > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will > retard > > > the > > > > > > progress of > > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > > operating > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > > whether > > > > > it is > > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > > routine > > > > > job, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and > its > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as > also the > > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > > rewarding > > > > > > the native > > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > > acquire > > > > > > education > > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable > job; > > > and > > > > > (3) > > > > > > settle > > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong > planets > > > give > > > > > an > > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > > Mercury > > > > > and > > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > > operational > > > > > > period > > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak > and > > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > > placed > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun > and in > > > > > 8th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > > afflicted > > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native > concerned > > > could > > > > > not > > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > > grounds, > > > > > can > > > > > > supercede > > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > > MEP, > > > > > then > > > > > > it will be > > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > > Lord of > > > > > the > > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > > Saturn to > > > > > > defend this > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to > Jupiter, > > > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > > 9th - > > > > > > please correct > > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic > Jupiter > > > > > would > > > > > > help > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in > the > > > 8th > > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of > higher > > > > > > education** would > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > > **still is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so > I do > > > > > see > > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can > give u > > > > > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects > and > > > how > > > > > I > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I > said > > > > > about > > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? > Only > > > > > strong > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of > higher > > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do > you > > > > > think > > > > > > her > > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > > education, is > > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse > and > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend > this > > > 5th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied > and a > > > > > > systematic > > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > > that > > > > > > I am so > > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the > case > > > > > for no > > > > > > education > > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " RPM " > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > > inclined > > > > > > towards research > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > > auspicious > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house AND > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other > than > > > > > that, I > > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not > looking > > > > > deep > > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive > and to > > > see > > > > > > things where > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " fraser " > > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is > educated or > > > are > > > > > you > > > > > > saying she > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a > chart > > > > > where > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see > one > > > way > > > > > and > > > > > > that is if > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord > Mars is > > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on > the > > > MEP > > > > > of > > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since > this > > > > > person > > > > > > was born in > > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > > successful > > > > > > or not... > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be > interested to > > > > > know > > > > > > what our > > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser > <fraser@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw > some > > > > > light on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > > there > > > > > any > > > > > > hope that > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd > house) is > > > > > > combust and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in > 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury > in > > > 6th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > > house > > > > > is > > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hello Rui, I don't think you are getting it in correct perspective. when I ask people to show me on website or in books, I want a page number or URL. Let's take an example, this URL has done nothing for me, and least of all, for SA. The URL:http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm Now, when you want to hide and then peep and then squeak, it does not help the topic at hand. You in particular, were talking about Mars. Whats Mars got to do with education ?? NOTHING !! Only when strategically placed it will run its ways like any other planet. Show me Mars and 5th house with the page number and all that is so 'in the box', before you start yelling 'Eureka'. SUCK-UP !! Regards, Fraser , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > Fraser, > I regret to see that you regard my natural approach as a " suck-up " > when in fact I was just trying to help and to make you see out of the > box. > Astrology is not an exact Science and I regret to admit *SA is > limited* - now do you still think this is a " suck up " to our > Professor? > SA has in my opinion done a lot for the study of Astrology because it > cleansed many wrong misconceptions and superstitions that were > creating confusion and obstacles to the learning of Astrology, but > maybe in doing that, other things may have been lost and maybe that is > why it is not possible to detect many things into detail... but I > believe with time SA will improve that. It is only a question of > common sense and I think it is the own interest of SA to do so. > Regards, Rui. > > > On 16/12/05, kumar kumar <kumar07306> wrote: > > dear mr fraser u did not find a vegge example if u make ur stomach a burial ground how can u be master of astrology?just kidding ,but can u please give some comparisons which are reasonable takecare > > my dear Rui, > > It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, > > and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you > > saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see > > all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a > > different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order > > chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. > > Thanks for your post ! > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > > > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written > > in > > > stone and things change with time. > > > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you > > have > > > to use your own imagination and discernment. > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > my dear turtle, > > > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on > > you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, > > *intellectual* and > > > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, > > wisdom, > > > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers > > to > > > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER > > the > > > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can > > read > > > > the > > > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > > > education > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth > > lord > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second > > house > > > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant > > place for > > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the > > eleventh > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > makes the > > > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > > > studies. > > > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > > > obstructions, > > > > > > > losses and > > > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > > > But > > > > > > my > > > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > > > you. > > > > > > Let > > > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me > > too am > > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The > > question > > > > was > > > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can > > learn > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart > > can > > > > you > > > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. > > If > > > > you > > > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > > > following > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > > Education - > > > > > > or > > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > 9th - > > > > > > please > > > > > > > correct me > > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of > > while > > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > > would > > > > > > help > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > > Research > > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > > education > > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > > > general > > > > > > and > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > but also > > > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > > > MALEFIC > > > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > > > functional > > > > > > > signfications > > > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > As per your > > > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > > > education > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house > > of > > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > > 8th > > > > > > STRONG > > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > > education** > > > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > **still > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I > > do > > > > see > > > > > > some > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak > > Moon and > > > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the > > following > > > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- > > 17 > > > > years > > > > > > of > > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > > > > years > > > > > > of > > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > > > malefic > > > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- > > 23 > > > > years > > > > > > of > > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill > > placed > > > > and > > > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > > > should > > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being > > 8th > > > > lord > > > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > > > strength > > > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general > > principle > > > > then > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > > > pursuits of > > > > > > > a native. > > > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > > > education > > > > > > with > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > > > influence of > > > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not > > insist. > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put > > forward > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving > > such an > > > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th > > house > > > > > > does > > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > > > intellectual > > > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > > > professor's > > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, > > discernment > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, > > memory, > > > > > > creative > > > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, > > lover, > > > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > > > progeny, > > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses > > are > > > > > > > considered for > > > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd > > lord > > > > Venus > > > > > > is > > > > > > > closely > > > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > > > debilitated > > > > > > and > > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given > > as > > > > > > under > > > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > > > assessing > > > > > > > educational > > > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya > > sthana, > > > > > > (second > > > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > > > intelligence > > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors > > also > > > > call > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages > > of > > > > 16 > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > > > significator of > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will > > retard > > > > the > > > > > > > progress of > > > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > > > operating > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > > > whether > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > > > routine > > > > > > job, > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and > > its > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as > > also the > > > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > > > rewarding > > > > > > > the native > > > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > > > acquire > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable > > job; > > > > and > > > > > > (3) > > > > > > > settle > > > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong > > planets > > > > give > > > > > > an > > > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > > > Mercury > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > > > operational > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak > > and > > > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > > > placed > > > > > > and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun > > and in > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native > > concerned > > > > could > > > > > > not > > > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > > > grounds, > > > > > > can > > > > > > > supercede > > > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > > > MEP, > > > > > > then > > > > > > > it will be > > > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > > > Lord of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th > > house > > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > > > Saturn to > > > > > > > defend this > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to > > Jupiter, > > > > that > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th > > house > > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > > Education - > > > > > > or > > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > > > 9th - > > > > > > > please correct > > > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic > > Jupiter > > > > > > would > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > > Research > > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > > education > > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in > > the > > > > 8th > > > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of > > higher > > > > > > > education** would > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > > > **still is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so > > I do > > > > > > see > > > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can > > give u > > > > > > the > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects > > and > > > > how > > > > > > I > > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I > > said > > > > > > about > > > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? > > Only > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of > > higher > > > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do > > you > > > > > > think > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > > > education, is > > > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse > > and > > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend > > this > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, > > that > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied > > and a > > > > > > > systematic > > > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > > > that > > > > > > > I am so > > > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the > > case > > > > > > for no > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " RPM " > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > > > inclined > > > > > > > towards research > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > > > auspicious > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house AND > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other > > than > > > > > > that, I > > > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not > > looking > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive > > and to > > > > see > > > > > > > things where > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " fraser " > > > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is > > educated or > > > > are > > > > > > you > > > > > > > saying she > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a > > chart > > > > > > where > > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see > > one > > > > way > > > > > > and > > > > > > > that is if > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord > > Mars is > > > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on > > the > > > > MEP > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since > > this > > > > > > person > > > > > > > was born in > > > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > or not... > > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be > > interested to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > what our > > > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw > > some > > > > > > light on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > > > there > > > > > > any > > > > > > > hope that > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd > > house) is > > > > > > > combust and > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in > > 6th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury > > in > > > > 6th > > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > > > house > > > > > > is > > > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: - 5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hello Mr. Fraser, It is better for all list members to be respectful to each other. All are equals. Best wishes, - " fraser " <fraser Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:36 AM Re: Ah! books...... Mr Choudhry, Sir, That was not at all meant to knock you, nor your books. I was replying to this natives post, just as in principle. It was a direct address to some 'suck-ups' that we have around here at the forum (Rui included). Now, Sir, watch all the feathers that I have ruffled with this post. Sir, you could sit back and enjoy the fun, this festive season. I am trying to learn, and make a few friends. (and loads of enemies) Not my fault! I can always blame it all on Rahu, and come out smelling of roses. I read that somewhere...... Regards, fraser. , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Fraser, > > An author cannot include each and every word of dictionary in the book when > laying the principles while every effort is made to include main things. > Some amount of stretching of meanings may be required at some places. > > Best wishes, > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India) > Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 > Mobile 98110 16333 > > > - > " fraser " <fraser@p...> > > Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:03 AM > Ah! books...... > > > my dear Rui, > It is from those who have used their own imagination and discernment, > and written books that we get the insights into topics. Are you > saying I should not take the books seriously ? and I DO expect to see > all the rules written in the books; especially by authors who offer a > different system to the reader. I am that kind of guy. when I order > chicken in a restaurant, I dont expect to see feathers in my plate. > Thanks for your post ! > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are > > learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written > in > > stone and things change with time. > > You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you > have > > to use your own imagination and discernment. > > Regards, Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > my dear turtle, > > > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on > you. > > > Regards, > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, > *intellectual* and > > > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, > wisdom, > > > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers > to > > > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER > the > > > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can > read > > > the > > > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > > > education > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education > and > > > also > > > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > > > especially > > > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth > lord > > > > > causes > > > > > > obstructions. > > > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second > house > > > > > > (exalted but > > > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant > place for > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the > eleventh > > > > > lord > > > > > > makes the > > > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > > > studies. > > > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > > > obstructions, > > > > > > losses and > > > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > > > But > > > > > my > > > > > > dear I am > > > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > > > you. > > > > > Let > > > > > > us both wait > > > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me > too am > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The > question > > > was > > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > the Masters > > > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart > can > > > you > > > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > > > then? > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. > If > > > you > > > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > > > following > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > 9th - > > > > > please > > > > > > correct me > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of > while > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > would > > > > > help > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > > > general > > > > > and > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > but also > > > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > > > MALEFIC > > > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > > > functional > > > > > > signfications > > > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > > > context. > > > > > > As per your > > > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > > > education > > > > > > because > > > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house > of > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > 8th > > > > > STRONG > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > > education** > > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > **still > > > > > is a > > > > > > benefic** > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I > do > > > see > > > > > some > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak > Moon and > > > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education > without > > > > > any > > > > > > shortcomings > > > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the > following > > > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15- > 17 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17- 20 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > > > malefic > > > > > > afflicting > > > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20- > 23 > > > years > > > > > of > > > > > > age) > > > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill > placed > > > and > > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > > > should > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being > 8th > > > lord > > > > > > ruling occult > > > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > > > strength > > > > > > point of view. > > > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general > principle > > > then > > > > > > what > > > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > > > pursuits of > > > > > > a native. > > > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > > > education > > > > > with > > > > > > these > > > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > > > Fraser, > > > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > > > influence of > > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not > insist. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put > forward > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > care to > > > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving > such an > > > > > > importance to the > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th > house > > > > > does > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > > > intellectual > > > > > > capabilities. > > > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > > > professor's > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, > discernment > > > > > and > > > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, > memory, > > > > > creative > > > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, > lover, > > > > > > speculative gains > > > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > > > progeny, > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses > are > > > > > > considered for > > > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd > lord > > > Venus > > > > > is > > > > > > closely > > > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > > > debilitated > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > > > astrological > > > > > > infrastructre > > > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given > as > > > > > under > > > > > > (as per prof > > > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > > > assessing > > > > > > educational > > > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya > sthana, > > > > > (second > > > > > > and fourth > > > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > > > intelligence > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors > also > > > call > > > > > for > > > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages > of > > > 16 > > > > > and > > > > > > 24 years. > > > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > > > significator of > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will > retard > > > the > > > > > > progress of > > > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > > > operating > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > > > whether > > > > > it is > > > > > > medicine, > > > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > > > routine > > > > > job, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and > its > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as > also the > > > > > > planets placed in > > > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > > > rewarding > > > > > > the native > > > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > > > acquire > > > > > > education > > > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable > job; > > > and > > > > > (3) > > > > > > settle > > > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong > planets > > > give > > > > > an > > > > > > impetus to > > > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > > > Mercury > > > > > and > > > > > > Moon along > > > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > > > operational > > > > > > period > > > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak > and > > > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > > > placed > > > > > and > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun > and in > > > > > 8th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > > > afflicted > > > > > > Venus till > > > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native > concerned > > > could > > > > > not > > > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > > > grounds, > > > > > can > > > > > > supercede > > > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > > > MEP, > > > > > then > > > > > > it will be > > > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > > > Lord of > > > > > the > > > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > > > Saturn to > > > > > > defend this > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to > Jupiter, > > > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th > house > > > > > > significations, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > > > Education - > > > > > or > > > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > > > 9th - > > > > > > please correct > > > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic > Jupiter > > > > > would > > > > > > help > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > > > Research > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > > > education > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in > the > > > 8th > > > > > > STRONG house > > > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of > higher > > > > > > education** would > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > > > **still is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so > I do > > > > > see > > > > > > some good > > > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can > give u > > > > > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects > and > > > how > > > > > I > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I > said > > > > > about > > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? > Only > > > > > strong > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of > higher > > > > > > education) is very > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do > you > > > > > think > > > > > > her > > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > > > education, is > > > > > > in malefic > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse > and > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > > > significations, > > > > > > cause its not > > > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend > this > > > 5th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, > that > > > > > Mars > > > > > > creates, > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied > and a > > > > > > systematic > > > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach to > > > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > > > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > > > that > > > > > > I am so > > > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the > case > > > > > for no > > > > > > education > > > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " RPM " > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > > > inclined > > > > > > towards research > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > > > auspicious > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house AND > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other > than > > > > > that, I > > > > > > cannot see > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not > looking > > > > > deep > > > > > > enough. Or > > > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive > and to > > > see > > > > > > things where > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " fraser " > > > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is > educated or > > > are > > > > > you > > > > > > saying she > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a > chart > > > > > where > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see > one > > > way > > > > > and > > > > > > that is if > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord > Mars is > > > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on > the > > > MEP > > > > > of > > > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since > this > > > > > person > > > > > > was born in > > > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > > > successful > > > > > > or not... > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be > interested to > > > > > know > > > > > > what our > > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser > <fraser@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw > some > > > > > light on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > > > there > > > > > any > > > > > > hope that > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd > house) is > > > > > > combust and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in > 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > and afflicted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury > in > > > 6th > > > > > > house, and > > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > > > house > > > > > is > > > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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