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Mr Choudhry,

Sir,

I give herebelow my concerns and comments in your message appended

below.

Thanks,

Regards,

Fraser

 

 

, <siha> wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members,

>

> Fourth house rules school education.

WE HAVE RAHU SITTING THERE - WOULD HE BE OF ANY HELP?

> Fifth rules college and professional education.

WHY DO I FAIL TO SEE THIS MENTIONED IN SA ?

> The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes

obstructions.

BUT MARS IS WHAT HAS MADE THE NATIVE HAVE GOOD EDUCATION, WELL PLACED.

> Second lord rules professional education.

HOW CAN A COMBUST AND WEAK VENUS HELP AT ALL ?

> The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house (exalted

but

> weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for

education.

SUN IS A POWERFUL MALEFIC - HOW CAN THAT COUNT AT ALL ?

> Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord

makes the

> person manipulative for earnings.

THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE NATIVES EDUCATION

> Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies.

THAT MEANS THAT FIFTH HOUSE IS THE TURNING POINT OF THE CHART

> Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions,

losses and

> delays.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...>

>

> Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM

> Re: Re: no education

>

>

> Hello Rui

>

> I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my dear

I am

> helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let us

both wait

> for the guidance.

>

> Raj

> -

> rupamede

>

> Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM

> Re: Re: no education

>

>

> Raj

> I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am waiting

for

> the Masters.

> Rui.

>

> On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > Rui

> >

> > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was where

is the

> answer?

> >

> > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from the

Masters

> and I am waiting.

> >

> > Raj

> > -

> > rupamede

> >

> > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM

> > Re: Re: no education

> >

> >

> > Raj,

> > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you

answer Fraser

> then?

> > Rui.

> >

> >

> > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > Hello Rui

> > >

> > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you peruse

the mail

> thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following

points

> > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

significations, which

> > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or are

they???

> > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

correct me

> if I

> > > > am wrong...

> > > "

> > >

> > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education.

> > >

> > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while

analysing

> educational pursuits as per SA.

> > >

> > > Further you analysed

> > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help

already

> > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

abilities to

> > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

indications in

> the

> > > > chart.

> > > >

> > > "

> > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and

functional

> significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated

but also

> under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC

PLANET. So

> though it can provide the native with general and functional

signfications

> of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. As

per your

> version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education

because

> Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of education.

> > >

> > > Further you analysed

> > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG

house of

> Mars

> > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

would also

> > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

benefic**

> on

> > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

good

> > > > indications after all...

> > > "

> > > Moon is weak on three grounds

> > >

> > > placed in 8th house

> > > in fant

> > > close to the Sun

> > >

> > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and Malefic

Mars,

> that the native can accomplish desirable education without any

shortcomings

> is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods:

> > >

> > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of

age)

> > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted

> > >

> > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of age)

> > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic

afflicting

> Mercury, a secondary karaka for education.

> > >

> > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of

age)

> > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and

afflicted.

> > >

> > > Submiting a question in response to a question should have

been

> avoided.

> > >

> > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord ruling

occult

> and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength point

of view.

> But if this is taken into account as a general principle then what

> combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of a

native.

> Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with

these

> combinations if yes how?

> > >

> > > I hope you can understand my point.

> > >

> > > Raj

> > > -

> > > rupamede

> > >

> > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM

> > > Re: Re: no education

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello Raj,

> > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, seem

to be

> > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of

Mars and

> the

> > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist.

> > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you

care to

> > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an

importance to the

> 8th

> > > lord.

> > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > Rui.

> > >

> > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rui

> > > >

> > > > Hope I am not intervening.

> > > >

> > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does

rule

> education specifically higher education involving intellectual

capabilities.

> Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's site.

> > > > V House

> > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and

> discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative

> intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover,

speculative gains

> from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny,

children,

> knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training,

> > > >

> > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are considered

for

> higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is

closely

> combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and

afflicted

> by MMP.

> > > >

> > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological

infrastructre

> required to check the education, which has been given as under (as

per prof

> SHRI VKC's web-site

> > > >

> > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing

educational

> accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second and

fourth

> houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence

(Jupiter)

> and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for

> consideration.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and 24

years.

> As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of

education,

> the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the

progress of

> education, both academic and professional.

> > > > 2. As the results of one's educational

accomplishments are

> filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating

planetary

> periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is

medicine,

> engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job,

etc.

> > > > 3. The second house rules status and its

relationship with

> the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the planets

placed in

> the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding the

native

> for his efforts in life.

> > > >

> > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti

between the

> age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire

education

> suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3)

settle

> properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an

impetus to

> the academic pursuits of a person.

> > > >

> > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and

Moon along

> with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational

period

> during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration.

> > > >

> > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and afflicted,

4th lord

> Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and

afflicted by

> Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th

house, and

> the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted Venus

till

> 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not

flourish.

> > > >

> > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can

supercede

> all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then it

will be

> Okay that the native would have had good education.

> > > >

> > > > Raj

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > RPM

> > > >

> > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM

> > > > Re: no education

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Fraser,

> > > >

> > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the

8thHouse

> and

> > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house

significations,

> cause its

> > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to

defend this

> 5th

> > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

creates,

> takes

> > > > care of any good out of this house. "

> > > >

> > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

significations,

> which

> > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or

are they???

> > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

correct

> me if I

> > > > am wrong...

> > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would

help

> already

> > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

abilities to

> > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

indications in

> the

> > > > chart.

> > > >

> > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th

STRONG house

> of Mars

> > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

would

> also

> > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

> benefic** on

> > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

good

> > > > indications after all...

> > > >

> > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rupamede

<rupamede@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Fraser,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the

following

> chart for

> > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I

believe that

> from

> > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about

the chart

> you put

> > > > > forward for discussion yesterday.

> > > > >

> > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong

planet is

> Saturn

> > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher

education) is very

> weak

> > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think her

> profession

> > > > would

> > > > > be? Could she ever succeed?

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is

in malefic

> 6th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Rui,

> > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic.

> > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations,

cause its not

> MT

> > > > house.

> > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th house.

> > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

creates,

> takes

> > > > care of

> > > > > > any good out of this house.

> > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a

systematic

> delineation

> > > > to

> > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'.

> > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that I

am so

> good at.

> > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no

education

> or very

> > > > > > little education.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " RPM "

<rupamede@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Fraser,

> > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined towards

research

> due

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th

house AND

> conjunct

> > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I

cannot see

> any

> > > > good

> > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep

enough. Or

> maybe I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see

things where

> they do

> > > > not

> > > > > > > exist - that could be too...

> > > > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " fraser "

<fraser@p...>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Rui,

> > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you

saying she

> is

> > > > not.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rupamede

> <rupamede@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser,

> > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where

only the

> Malefics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > good shape!!!

> > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and

that is if

> we

> > > > look at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is conjunct

Jupiter

> in the

> > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of

the 8th of

> > > > Research.

> > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person was

born in

> 1973,

> > > > we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful or

not...

> This is

> > > > my

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know

what our

> dear

> > > > > > Professor and

> > > > > > > > > our list friends think too.

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on

the

> education

> > > > > > prospects

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > this chart.

> > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any

hope that

> this

> > > > native

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all.

> > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is combust

and

> afflicted by

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > Sun.

> > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house,

and afflicted

> by

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th house,

and

> afflicted

> > > > by

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is

debilitated and

> > > > > > afflicted by

> > > > > > > > MMP

> > > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > --------

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973

> > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30

> > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40

> > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31

> > > > > > > > > > ------

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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Hello Mr. Fraser,

 

Rahu is quite away from the MEP of the fourth house.

Many principles (like fifth house ruling higher education ) are

discussed/further explained while explaining the case studies when a

pertinent reference comes.

A good eighth lord provides resources to parents which are supportive and

helpful for the child.

There is a difference between the close affliction to the MEP of a house and

the close affliction to a planet. In this case there is no close affliction

to MEP of any of the houses connected with education.

If you go through the recent descending order of the planetary weaknesses

you will find a reason for that.

A combust and exalted planet like Venus in this case can give good education

but a distant place due to the influence of the Sun on Venus. The affliction

of the Sun gives breakes and setbacks in status and career in life.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

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-

" fraser " <fraser

 

Friday, December 16, 2005 11:36 PM

...to my comments, Sir.

 

 

Mr Choudhry,

Sir,

I give herebelow my concerns and comments in your message appended

below.

Thanks,

Regards,

Fraser

 

 

, <siha> wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members,

>

> Fourth house rules school education.

WE HAVE RAHU SITTING THERE - WOULD HE BE OF ANY HELP?

> Fifth rules college and professional education.

WHY DO I FAIL TO SEE THIS MENTIONED IN SA ?

> The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes

obstructions.

BUT MARS IS WHAT HAS MADE THE NATIVE HAVE GOOD EDUCATION, WELL PLACED.

> Second lord rules professional education.

HOW CAN A COMBUST AND WEAK VENUS HELP AT ALL ?

> The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house (exalted

but

> weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for

education.

SUN IS A POWERFUL MALEFIC - HOW CAN THAT COUNT AT ALL ?

> Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord

makes the

> person manipulative for earnings.

THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE NATIVES EDUCATION

> Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies.

THAT MEANS THAT FIFTH HOUSE IS THE TURNING POINT OF THE CHART

> Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions,

losses and

> delays.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...>

>

> Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM

> Re: Re: no education

>

>

> Hello Rui

>

> I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my dear

I am

> helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let us

both wait

> for the guidance.

>

> Raj

> -

> rupamede

>

> Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM

> Re: Re: no education

>

>

> Raj

> I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am waiting

for

> the Masters.

> Rui.

>

> On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > Rui

> >

> > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was where

is the

> answer?

> >

> > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from the

Masters

> and I am waiting.

> >

> > Raj

> > -

> > rupamede

> >

> > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM

> > Re: Re: no education

> >

> >

> > Raj,

> > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you

answer Fraser

> then?

> > Rui.

> >

> >

> > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > Hello Rui

> > >

> > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you peruse

the mail

> thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following

points

> > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

significations, which

> > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or are

they???

> > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

correct me

> if I

> > > > am wrong...

> > > "

> > >

> > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education.

> > >

> > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while

analysing

> educational pursuits as per SA.

> > >

> > > Further you analysed

> > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help

already

> > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

abilities to

> > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

indications in

> the

> > > > chart.

> > > >

> > > "

> > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and

functional

> significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated

but also

> under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC

PLANET. So

> though it can provide the native with general and functional

signfications

> of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. As

per your

> version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education

because

> Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of education.

> > >

> > > Further you analysed

> > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG

house of

> Mars

> > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

would also

> > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

benefic**

> on

> > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

good

> > > > indications after all...

> > > "

> > > Moon is weak on three grounds

> > >

> > > placed in 8th house

> > > in fant

> > > close to the Sun

> > >

> > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and Malefic

Mars,

> that the native can accomplish desirable education without any

shortcomings

> is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods:

> > >

> > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of

age)

> > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted

> > >

> > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of age)

> > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic

afflicting

> Mercury, a secondary karaka for education.

> > >

> > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of

age)

> > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and

afflicted.

> > >

> > > Submiting a question in response to a question should have

been

> avoided.

> > >

> > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord ruling

occult

> and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength point

of view.

> But if this is taken into account as a general principle then what

> combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of a

native.

> Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with

these

> combinations if yes how?

> > >

> > > I hope you can understand my point.

> > >

> > > Raj

> > > -

> > > rupamede

> > >

> > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM

> > > Re: Re: no education

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello Raj,

> > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, seem

to be

> > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of

Mars and

> the

> > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist.

> > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you

care to

> > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an

importance to the

> 8th

> > > lord.

> > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > Rui.

> > >

> > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rui

> > > >

> > > > Hope I am not intervening.

> > > >

> > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does

rule

> education specifically higher education involving intellectual

capabilities.

> Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's site.

> > > > V House

> > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and

> discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative

> intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover,

speculative gains

> from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny,

children,

> knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training,

> > > >

> > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are considered

for

> higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is

closely

> combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and

afflicted

> by MMP.

> > > >

> > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological

infrastructre

> required to check the education, which has been given as under (as

per prof

> SHRI VKC's web-site

> > > >

> > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing

educational

> accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second and

fourth

> houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence

(Jupiter)

> and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for

> consideration.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and 24

years.

> As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of

education,

> the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the

progress of

> education, both academic and professional.

> > > > 2. As the results of one's educational

accomplishments are

> filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating

planetary

> periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is

medicine,

> engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job,

etc.

> > > > 3. The second house rules status and its

relationship with

> the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the planets

placed in

> the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding the

native

> for his efforts in life.

> > > >

> > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti

between the

> age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire

education

> suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3)

settle

> properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an

impetus to

> the academic pursuits of a person.

> > > >

> > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and

Moon along

> with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational

period

> during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration.

> > > >

> > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and afflicted,

4th lord

> Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and

afflicted by

> Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th

house, and

> the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted Venus

till

> 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not

flourish.

> > > >

> > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can

supercede

> all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then it

will be

> Okay that the native would have had good education.

> > > >

> > > > Raj

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > RPM

> > > >

> > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM

> > > > Re: no education

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Fraser,

> > > >

> > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the

8thHouse

> and

> > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house

significations,

> cause its

> > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to

defend this

> 5th

> > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

creates,

> takes

> > > > care of any good out of this house. "

> > > >

> > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

significations,

> which

> > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or

are they???

> > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

correct

> me if I

> > > > am wrong...

> > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would

help

> already

> > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

abilities to

> > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

indications in

> the

> > > > chart.

> > > >

> > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th

STRONG house

> of Mars

> > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

would

> also

> > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

> benefic** on

> > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

good

> > > > indications after all...

> > > >

> > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rupamede

<rupamede@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Fraser,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the

following

> chart for

> > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I

believe that

> from

> > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about

the chart

> you put

> > > > > forward for discussion yesterday.

> > > > >

> > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong

planet is

> Saturn

> > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher

education) is very

> weak

> > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think her

> profession

> > > > would

> > > > > be? Could she ever succeed?

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is

in malefic

> 6th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Rui,

> > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic.

> > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations,

cause its not

> MT

> > > > house.

> > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th house.

> > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

creates,

> takes

> > > > care of

> > > > > > any good out of this house.

> > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a

systematic

> delineation

> > > > to

> > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'.

> > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that I

am so

> good at.

> > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no

education

> or very

> > > > > > little education.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " RPM "

<rupamede@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Fraser,

> > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined towards

research

> due

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th

house AND

> conjunct

> > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I

cannot see

> any

> > > > good

> > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep

enough. Or

> maybe I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see

things where

> they do

> > > > not

> > > > > > > exist - that could be too...

> > > > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " fraser "

<fraser@p...>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Rui,

> > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you

saying she

> is

> > > > not.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rupamede

> <rupamede@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser,

> > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where

only the

> Malefics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > good shape!!!

> > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and

that is if

> we

> > > > look at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is conjunct

Jupiter

> in the

> > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of

the 8th of

> > > > Research.

> > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person was

born in

> 1973,

> > > > we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful or

not...

> This is

> > > > my

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know

what our

> dear

> > > > > > Professor and

> > > > > > > > > our list friends think too.

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on

the

> education

> > > > > > prospects

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > this chart.

> > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any

hope that

> this

> > > > native

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all.

> > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is combust

and

> afflicted by

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > Sun.

> > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house,

and afflicted

> by

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th house,

and

> afflicted

> > > > by

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is

debilitated and

> > > > > > afflicted by

> > > > > > > > MMP

> > > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > --------

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973

> > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30

> > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40

> > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31

> > > > > > > > > > ------

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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Respected Sir,

 

I am taking up your comments Kindly correct me if I am wrong

 

 

" your comments "

There is a difference between the close affliction to the MEP of a

house and

the close affliction to a planet. In this case there is no close

affliction

to MEP of any of the houses connected with education.

 

 

 

 

YOU MEAN TO SAY AFFLICTION TO LORD OF A HOUSE GOVERING AN ASPECT OF

LIFE (HERE EDUCATING ) IS LESS DISTURBING THAN AFFILCTION TO MEP OF

THAT HOUSE. IF 4TH HOUSE WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFLICTED THAN WE WOULD HAVE

THOUGHT OF THAT HE MIGHT NOT HAVE GOT BASIC EDUCATION AT ALL??Am I right

 

Regards

 

Dev

 

 

 

, <siha> wrote:

>

>

> Hello Mr. Fraser,

>

> Rahu is quite away from the MEP of the fourth house.

> Many principles (like fifth house ruling higher education ) are

> discussed/further explained while explaining the case studies when a

> pertinent reference comes.

> A good eighth lord provides resources to parents which are

supportive and

> helpful for the child.

> There is a difference between the close affliction to the MEP of a

house and

> the close affliction to a planet. In this case there is no close

affliction

> to MEP of any of the houses connected with education.

> If you go through the recent descending order of the planetary

weaknesses

> you will find a reason for that.

> A combust and exalted planet like Venus in this case can give good

education

> but a distant place due to the influence of the Sun on Venus. The

affliction

> of the Sun gives breakes and setbacks in status and career in life.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

> www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India)

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>

>

> -

> " fraser " <fraser@p...>

>

> Friday, December 16, 2005 11:36 PM

> ...to my comments, Sir.

>

>

> Mr Choudhry,

> Sir,

> I give herebelow my concerns and comments in your message appended

> below.

> Thanks,

> Regards,

> Fraser

>

>

> , <siha> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members,

> >

> > Fourth house rules school education.

> WE HAVE RAHU SITTING THERE - WOULD HE BE OF ANY HELP?

> > Fifth rules college and professional education.

> WHY DO I FAIL TO SEE THIS MENTIONED IN SA ?

> > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes

> obstructions.

> BUT MARS IS WHAT HAS MADE THE NATIVE HAVE GOOD EDUCATION, WELL PLACED.

> > Second lord rules professional education.

> HOW CAN A COMBUST AND WEAK VENUS HELP AT ALL ?

> > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house (exalted

> but

> > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for

> education.

> SUN IS A POWERFUL MALEFIC - HOW CAN THAT COUNT AT ALL ?

> > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord

> makes the

> > person manipulative for earnings.

> THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE NATIVES EDUCATION

> > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies.

> THAT MEANS THAT FIFTH HOUSE IS THE TURNING POINT OF THE CHART

> > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions,

> losses and

> > delays.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...>

> >

> > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM

> > Re: Re: no education

> >

> >

> > Hello Rui

> >

> > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my dear

> I am

> > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let us

> both wait

> > for the guidance.

> >

> > Raj

> > -

> > rupamede

> >

> > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM

> > Re: Re: no education

> >

> >

> > Raj

> > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am waiting

> for

> > the Masters.

> > Rui.

> >

> > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > Rui

> > >

> > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was where

> is the

> > answer?

> > >

> > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from the

> Masters

> > and I am waiting.

> > >

> > > Raj

> > > -

> > > rupamede

> > >

> > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM

> > > Re: Re: no education

> > >

> > >

> > > Raj,

> > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you

> answer Fraser

> > then?

> > > Rui.

> > >

> > >

> > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rui

> > > >

> > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you peruse

> the mail

> > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following

> points

> > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

> significations, which

> > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or are

> they???

> > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

> correct me

> > if I

> > > > > am wrong...

> > > > "

> > > >

> > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education.

> > > >

> > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while

> analysing

> > educational pursuits as per SA.

> > > >

> > > > Further you analysed

> > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help

> already

> > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

> abilities to

> > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

> indications in

> > the

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > "

> > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and

> functional

> > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated

> but also

> > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC

> PLANET. So

> > though it can provide the native with general and functional

> signfications

> > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. As

> per your

> > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education

> because

> > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of education.

> > > >

> > > > Further you analysed

> > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG

> house of

> > Mars

> > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

> would also

> > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

> benefic**

> > on

> > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

> good

> > > > > indications after all...

> > > > "

> > > > Moon is weak on three grounds

> > > >

> > > > placed in 8th house

> > > > in fant

> > > > close to the Sun

> > > >

> > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and Malefic

> Mars,

> > that the native can accomplish desirable education without any

> shortcomings

> > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods:

> > > >

> > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of

> age)

> > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted

> > > >

> > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of age)

> > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic

> afflicting

> > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education.

> > > >

> > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of

> age)

> > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and

> afflicted.

> > > >

> > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should have

> been

> > avoided.

> > > >

> > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord ruling

> occult

> > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength point

> of view.

> > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then what

> > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of a

> native.

> > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with

> these

> > combinations if yes how?

> > > >

> > > > I hope you can understand my point.

> > > >

> > > > Raj

> > > > -

> > > > rupamede

> > > >

> > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM

> > > > Re: Re: no education

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello Raj,

> > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, seem

> to be

> > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of

> Mars and

> > the

> > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist.

> > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you

> care to

> > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an

> importance to the

> > 8th

> > > > lord.

> > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > > Rui.

> > > >

> > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Rui

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope I am not intervening.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does

> rule

> > education specifically higher education involving intellectual

> capabilities.

> > Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's site.

> > > > > V House

> > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and

> > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative

> > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover,

> speculative gains

> > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny,

> children,

> > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training,

> > > > >

> > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are considered

> for

> > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is

> closely

> > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and

> afflicted

> > by MMP.

> > > > >

> > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological

> infrastructre

> > required to check the education, which has been given as under (as

> per prof

> > SHRI VKC's web-site

> > > > >

> > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing

> educational

> > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second and

> fourth

> > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence

> (Jupiter)

> > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for

> > consideration.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and 24

> years.

> > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of

> education,

> > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the

> progress of

> > education, both academic and professional.

> > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational

> accomplishments are

> > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating

> planetary

> > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is

> medicine,

> > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job,

> etc.

> > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its

> relationship with

> > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the planets

> placed in

> > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding the

> native

> > for his efforts in life.

> > > > >

> > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti

> between the

> > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire

> education

> > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3)

> settle

> > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an

> impetus to

> > the academic pursuits of a person.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and

> Moon along

> > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational

> period

> > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration.

> > > > >

> > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and afflicted,

> 4th lord

> > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and

> afflicted by

> > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th

> house, and

> > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted Venus

> till

> > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not

> flourish.

> > > > >

> > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can

> supercede

> > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then it

> will be

> > Okay that the native would have had good education.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > RPM

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM

> > > > > Re: no education

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Fraser,

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the

> 8thHouse

> > and

> > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house

> significations,

> > cause its

> > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to

> defend this

> > 5th

> > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

> creates,

> > takes

> > > > > care of any good out of this house. "

> > > > >

> > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

> significations,

> > which

> > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or

> are they???

> > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

> correct

> > me if I

> > > > > am wrong...

> > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would

> help

> > already

> > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

> abilities to

> > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

> indications in

> > the

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th

> STRONG house

> > of Mars

> > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

> would

> > also

> > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

> > benefic** on

> > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

> good

> > > > > indications after all...

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rupamede

> <rupamede@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fraser,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the

> following

> > chart for

> > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I

> believe that

> > from

> > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about

> the chart

> > you put

> > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong

> planet is

> > Saturn

> > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher

> education) is very

> > weak

> > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think her

> > profession

> > > > > would

> > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is

> in malefic

> > 6th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Rui,

> > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic.

> > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations,

> cause its not

> > MT

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th house.

> > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

> creates,

> > takes

> > > > > care of

> > > > > > > any good out of this house.

> > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a

> systematic

> > delineation

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'.

> > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that I

> am so

> > good at.

> > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no

> education

> > or very

> > > > > > > little education.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " RPM "

> <rupamede@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Fraser,

> > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined towards

> research

> > due

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th

> house AND

> > conjunct

> > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I

> cannot see

> > any

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep

> enough. Or

> > maybe I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see

> things where

> > they do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > exist - that could be too...

> > > > > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " fraser "

> <fraser@p...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Rui,

> > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you

> saying she

> > is

> > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rupamede

> > <rupamede@g...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser,

> > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where

> only the

> > Malefics

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > good shape!!!

> > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and

> that is if

> > we

> > > > > look at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is conjunct

> Jupiter

> > in the

> > > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of

> the 8th of

> > > > > Research.

> > > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person was

> born in

> > 1973,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful or

> not...

> > This is

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know

> what our

> > dear

> > > > > > > Professor and

> > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too.

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on

> the

> > education

> > > > > > > prospects

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > this chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any

> hope that

> > this

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all.

> > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is combust

> and

> > afflicted by

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > Sun.

> > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house,

> and afflicted

> > by

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th house,

> and

> > afflicted

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is

> debilitated and

> > > > > > > afflicted by

> > > > > > > > > MMP

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > --------

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973

> > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30

> > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40

> > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31

> > > > > > > > > > > ------

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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Hello Dev,

 

Yes, no education or many disturbances.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

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" kdsips " <kdsips

 

Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:50 AM

Re: ...to my comments, Sir.

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

 

I am taking up your comments Kindly correct me if I am wrong

 

 

" your comments "

There is a difference between the close affliction to the MEP of a

house and

the close affliction to a planet. In this case there is no close

affliction

to MEP of any of the houses connected with education.

 

 

 

 

YOU MEAN TO SAY AFFLICTION TO LORD OF A HOUSE GOVERING AN ASPECT OF

LIFE (HERE EDUCATING ) IS LESS DISTURBING THAN AFFILCTION TO MEP OF

THAT HOUSE. IF 4TH HOUSE WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFLICTED THAN WE WOULD HAVE

THOUGHT OF THAT HE MIGHT NOT HAVE GOT BASIC EDUCATION AT ALL??Am I right

 

Regards

 

Dev

 

 

 

, <siha> wrote:

>

>

> Hello Mr. Fraser,

>

> Rahu is quite away from the MEP of the fourth house.

> Many principles (like fifth house ruling higher education ) are

> discussed/further explained while explaining the case studies when a

> pertinent reference comes.

> A good eighth lord provides resources to parents which are

supportive and

> helpful for the child.

> There is a difference between the close affliction to the MEP of a

house and

> the close affliction to a planet. In this case there is no close

affliction

> to MEP of any of the houses connected with education.

> If you go through the recent descending order of the planetary

weaknesses

> you will find a reason for that.

> A combust and exalted planet like Venus in this case can give good

education

> but a distant place due to the influence of the Sun on Venus. The

affliction

> of the Sun gives breakes and setbacks in status and career in life.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

> www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India)

> Phones: 91 124 - 2219240

> Mobile 98110 16333

>

>

> -

> " fraser " <fraser@p...>

>

> Friday, December 16, 2005 11:36 PM

> ...to my comments, Sir.

>

>

> Mr Choudhry,

> Sir,

> I give herebelow my concerns and comments in your message appended

> below.

> Thanks,

> Regards,

> Fraser

>

>

> , <siha> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members,

> >

> > Fourth house rules school education.

> WE HAVE RAHU SITTING THERE - WOULD HE BE OF ANY HELP?

> > Fifth rules college and professional education.

> WHY DO I FAIL TO SEE THIS MENTIONED IN SA ?

> > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes

> obstructions.

> BUT MARS IS WHAT HAS MADE THE NATIVE HAVE GOOD EDUCATION, WELL PLACED.

> > Second lord rules professional education.

> HOW CAN A COMBUST AND WEAK VENUS HELP AT ALL ?

> > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house (exalted

> but

> > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for

> education.

> SUN IS A POWERFUL MALEFIC - HOW CAN THAT COUNT AT ALL ?

> > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord

> makes the

> > person manipulative for earnings.

> THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE NATIVES EDUCATION

> > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies.

> THAT MEANS THAT FIFTH HOUSE IS THE TURNING POINT OF THE CHART

> > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions,

> losses and

> > delays.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...>

> >

> > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM

> > Re: Re: no education

> >

> >

> > Hello Rui

> >

> > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my dear

> I am

> > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let us

> both wait

> > for the guidance.

> >

> > Raj

> > -

> > rupamede

> >

> > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM

> > Re: Re: no education

> >

> >

> > Raj

> > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am waiting

> for

> > the Masters.

> > Rui.

> >

> > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > Rui

> > >

> > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was where

> is the

> > answer?

> > >

> > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from the

> Masters

> > and I am waiting.

> > >

> > > Raj

> > > -

> > > rupamede

> > >

> > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM

> > > Re: Re: no education

> > >

> > >

> > > Raj,

> > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you

> answer Fraser

> > then?

> > > Rui.

> > >

> > >

> > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rui

> > > >

> > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you peruse

> the mail

> > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following

> points

> > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

> significations, which

> > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or are

> they???

> > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

> correct me

> > if I

> > > > > am wrong...

> > > > "

> > > >

> > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education.

> > > >

> > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while

> analysing

> > educational pursuits as per SA.

> > > >

> > > > Further you analysed

> > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help

> already

> > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

> abilities to

> > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

> indications in

> > the

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > "

> > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and

> functional

> > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated

> but also

> > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC

> PLANET. So

> > though it can provide the native with general and functional

> signfications

> > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. As

> per your

> > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education

> because

> > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of education.

> > > >

> > > > Further you analysed

> > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG

> house of

> > Mars

> > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

> would also

> > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

> benefic**

> > on

> > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

> good

> > > > > indications after all...

> > > > "

> > > > Moon is weak on three grounds

> > > >

> > > > placed in 8th house

> > > > in fant

> > > > close to the Sun

> > > >

> > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and Malefic

> Mars,

> > that the native can accomplish desirable education without any

> shortcomings

> > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods:

> > > >

> > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of

> age)

> > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted

> > > >

> > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of age)

> > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic

> afflicting

> > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education.

> > > >

> > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of

> age)

> > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and

> afflicted.

> > > >

> > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should have

> been

> > avoided.

> > > >

> > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord ruling

> occult

> > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength point

> of view.

> > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then what

> > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of a

> native.

> > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with

> these

> > combinations if yes how?

> > > >

> > > > I hope you can understand my point.

> > > >

> > > > Raj

> > > > -

> > > > rupamede

> > > >

> > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM

> > > > Re: Re: no education

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello Raj,

> > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, seem

> to be

> > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of

> Mars and

> > the

> > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist.

> > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you

> care to

> > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an

> importance to the

> > 8th

> > > > lord.

> > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > > Rui.

> > > >

> > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Rui

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope I am not intervening.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does

> rule

> > education specifically higher education involving intellectual

> capabilities.

> > Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's site.

> > > > > V House

> > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and

> > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative

> > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover,

> speculative gains

> > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny,

> children,

> > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training,

> > > > >

> > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are considered

> for

> > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is

> closely

> > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and

> afflicted

> > by MMP.

> > > > >

> > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological

> infrastructre

> > required to check the education, which has been given as under (as

> per prof

> > SHRI VKC's web-site

> > > > >

> > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing

> educational

> > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second and

> fourth

> > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence

> (Jupiter)

> > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for

> > consideration.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and 24

> years.

> > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of

> education,

> > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the

> progress of

> > education, both academic and professional.

> > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational

> accomplishments are

> > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating

> planetary

> > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is

> medicine,

> > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job,

> etc.

> > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its

> relationship with

> > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the planets

> placed in

> > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding the

> native

> > for his efforts in life.

> > > > >

> > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti

> between the

> > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire

> education

> > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3)

> settle

> > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an

> impetus to

> > the academic pursuits of a person.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and

> Moon along

> > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational

> period

> > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration.

> > > > >

> > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and afflicted,

> 4th lord

> > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and

> afflicted by

> > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th

> house, and

> > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted Venus

> till

> > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not

> flourish.

> > > > >

> > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can

> supercede

> > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then it

> will be

> > Okay that the native would have had good education.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > RPM

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM

> > > > > Re: no education

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Fraser,

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the

> 8thHouse

> > and

> > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house

> significations,

> > cause its

> > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to

> defend this

> > 5th

> > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

> creates,

> > takes

> > > > > care of any good out of this house. "

> > > > >

> > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house

> significations,

> > which

> > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or

> are they???

> > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please

> correct

> > me if I

> > > > > am wrong...

> > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would

> help

> > already

> > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research

> abilities to

> > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education

> indications in

> > the

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th

> STRONG house

> > of Mars

> > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education**

> would

> > also

> > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a

> > benefic** on

> > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some

> good

> > > > > indications after all...

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rupamede

> <rupamede@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fraser,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the

> following

> > chart for

> > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I

> believe that

> > from

> > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about

> the chart

> > you put

> > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong

> planet is

> > Saturn

> > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher

> education) is very

> > weak

> > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think her

> > profession

> > > > > would

> > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is

> in malefic

> > 6th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Rui,

> > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic.

> > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations,

> cause its not

> > MT

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th house.

> > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars

> creates,

> > takes

> > > > > care of

> > > > > > > any good out of this house.

> > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a

> systematic

> > delineation

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'.

> > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that I

> am so

> > good at.

> > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no

> education

> > or very

> > > > > > > little education.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " RPM "

> <rupamede@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Fraser,

> > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined towards

> research

> > due

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th

> house AND

> > conjunct

> > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I

> cannot see

> > any

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep

> enough. Or

> > maybe I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see

> things where

> > they do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > exist - that could be too...

> > > > > > > > Regards, Rui.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " fraser "

> <fraser@p...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Rui,

> > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you

> saying she

> > is

> > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rupamede

> > <rupamede@g...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser,

> > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where

> only the

> > Malefics

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > good shape!!!

> > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and

> that is if

> > we

> > > > > look at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is conjunct

> Jupiter

> > in the

> > > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of

> the 8th of

> > > > > Research.

> > > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person was

> born in

> > 1973,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful or

> not...

> > This is

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know

> what our

> > dear

> > > > > > > Professor and

> > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too.

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on

> the

> > education

> > > > > > > prospects

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > this chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any

> hope that

> > this

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all.

> > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is combust

> and

> > afflicted by

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > Sun.

> > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house,

> and afflicted

> > by

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th house,

> and

> > afflicted

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is

> debilitated and

> > > > > > > afflicted by

> > > > > > > > > MMP

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > --------

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973

> > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30

> > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40

> > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31

> > > > > > > > > > > ------

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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