Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hello Raj, I have copied that page for myself. I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. Regards, Fraser , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Hello Fraser > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the following link in this regard > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > Raj > - > fraser > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > show me > > > Hello Raj, > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for education > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Rui > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well especially > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > Raj > > > > - > > siha > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes > obstructions. > > Second lord rules professional education. > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > (exalted but > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > education. > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord > makes the > > person manipulative for earnings. > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies. > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions, > losses and > > delays. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my > dear I am > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let > us both wait > > for the guidance. > > > > Raj > > - > > rupamede > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Raj > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > waiting for > > the Masters. > > Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > Rui > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > where is the > > answer? > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from > the Masters > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > rupamede > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > answer Fraser > > then? > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > peruse the mail > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following > points > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > significations, which > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or > are they??? > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please > correct me > > if I > > > > > am wrong... > > > > " > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > analysing > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help > already > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > abilities to > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > indications in > > the > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > " > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and > functional > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated > but also > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > PLANET. So > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > signfications > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. > As per your > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education > because > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > education. > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG > house of > > Mars > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education** > would also > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a > benefic** > > on > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some > good > > > > > indications after all... > > > > " > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > in fant > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > Malefic Mars, > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without any > shortcomings > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods: > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of > age) > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of > age) > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > afflicting > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of > age) > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > afflicted. > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > have been > > avoided. > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > ruling occult > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > point of view. > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > what > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of > a native. > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with > these > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > seem to be > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of > Mars and > > the > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you > care to > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > importance to the > > 8th > > > > lord. > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does > rule > > education specifically higher education involving intellectual > capabilities. > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's > site. > > > > > V House > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > speculative gains > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > children, > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > considered for > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is > closely > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and > afflicted > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological > infrastructre > > required to check the education, which has been given as under > (as per prof > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing > educational > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second > and fourth > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence > (Jupiter) > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and > 24 years. > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of > education, > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > progress of > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > accomplishments are > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating > planetary > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is > medicine, > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job, > etc. > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > relationship with > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > planets placed in > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding > the native > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti > between the > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > education > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3) > settle > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an > impetus to > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and > Moon along > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational > period > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > afflicted, 4th lord > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and > afflicted by > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th > house, and > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > Venus till > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can > supercede > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then > it will be > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the > 8thHouse > > and > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > significations, > > cause its > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > defend this > > 5th > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars > creates, > > takes > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > significations, > > which > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or > are they??? > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > please correct > > me if I > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > help > > already > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > abilities to > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > indications in > > the > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > STRONG house > > of Mars > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > education** would > > also > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is > a > > benefic** on > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > some good > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > <rupamede@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the > following > > chart for > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I > believe that > > from > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about > the chart > > you put > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong > planet is > > Saturn > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > education) is very > > weak > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think > her > > profession > > > > > would > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is > in malefic > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic. > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations, > cause its not > > MT > > > > > house. > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > house. > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars > creates, > > takes > > > > > care of > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > systematic > > delineation > > > > > to > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that > I am so > > good at. > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no > education > > or very > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > <rupamede@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > towards research > > due > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th > house AND > > conjunct > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I > cannot see > > any > > > > > good > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep > enough. Or > > maybe I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > things where > > they do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " > <fraser@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you > saying she > > is > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where > only the > > Malefics > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and > that is if > > we > > > > > look at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > conjunct Jupiter > > in the > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of > the 8th of > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person > was born in > > 1973, > > > > > we > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful > or not... > > This is > > > > > my > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know > what our > > dear > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on > the > > education > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any > hope that > > this > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > combust and > > afflicted by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house, > and afflicted > > by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > house, and > > afflicted > > > > > by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is > debilitated and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Respected Mr Fraser Ji, If among many other significations, 5th house represents *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, *intellectual* and mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers to higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER the basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? Regards, The Turtle. On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser wrote: > Hello Raj, > I have copied that page for myself. > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > Regards, > Fraser > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the > following link in this regard > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > Raj > > - > > fraser > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > show me > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > education > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > especially > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > siha > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > causes > > obstructions. > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > (exalted but > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > education. > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > lord > > makes the > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > studies. > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > obstructions, > > losses and > > > delays. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But > my > > dear I am > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. > Let > > us both wait > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > rupamede > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > waiting for > > > the Masters. > > > Rui. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > > where is the > > > answer? > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > from > > the Masters > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > > answer Fraser > > > then? > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > > peruse the mail > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > following > > points > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > significations, which > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > or > > are they??? > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > please > > correct me > > > if I > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > analysing > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > help > > already > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > abilities to > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > indications in > > > the > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general > and > > functional > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > debilitated > > but also > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > > PLANET. So > > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > > signfications > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > context. > > As per your > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > education > > because > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > education. > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > STRONG > > house of > > > Mars > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > education** > > would also > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still > is a > > benefic** > > > on > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > some > > good > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > " > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > in fant > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > Malefic Mars, > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > any > > shortcomings > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > periods: > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years > of > > age) > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years > of > > age) > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > > afflicting > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years > of > > age) > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > > have been > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > > ruling occult > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > > point of view. > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > > what > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > pursuits of > > a native. > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education > with > > these > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > > seem to be > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > influence of > > Mars and > > > the > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if > you > > care to > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > importance to the > > > 8th > > > > > lord. > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > does > > rule > > > education specifically higher education involving > intellectual > > capabilities. > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > professor's > > site. > > > > > > V House > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > and > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > creative > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > speculative gains > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > > children, > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > considered for > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus > is > > closely > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated > and > > afflicted > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > astrological > > infrastructre > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > under > > (as per prof > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > assessing > > educational > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > (second > > and fourth > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > intelligence > > (Jupiter) > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call > for > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 > and > > 24 years. > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > significator of > > education, > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > > progress of > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > accomplishments are > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > operating > > planetary > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether > it is > > medicine, > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine > job, > > etc. > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > relationship with > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > planets placed in > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > rewarding > > the native > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > dasa/bhukti > > between the > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > > education > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and > (3) > > settle > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give > an > > impetus to > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury > and > > Moon along > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > operational > > period > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed > and > > afflicted by > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > 8th > > house, and > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > > Venus till > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could > not > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, > can > > supercede > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, > then > > it will be > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of > the > > 8thHouse > > > and > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > significations, > > > cause its > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > > defend this > > > 5th > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > Mars > > creates, > > > takes > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > significations, > > > which > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > or > > are they??? > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > please correct > > > me if I > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > would > > help > > > already > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > abilities to > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > indications in > > > the > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > STRONG house > > > of Mars > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > education** would > > > also > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > **still is > > a > > > benefic** on > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > see > > some good > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > the > > following > > > chart for > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how > I > > believe that > > > from > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > about > > the chart > > > you put > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > strong > > planet is > > > Saturn > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > education) is very > > > weak > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > think > > her > > > profession > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > education, is > > in malefic > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > malefic. > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > significations, > > cause its not > > > MT > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > > house. > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > Mars > > creates, > > > takes > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > systematic > > > delineation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', > that > > I am so > > > good at. > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > for no > > education > > > or very > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > > <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > > towards research > > > due > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious > 5th > > house AND > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > that, I > > cannot see > > > any > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > deep > > enough. Or > > > maybe I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > > things where > > > they do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " > > <fraser@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are > you > > saying she > > > is > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > rupamede > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > where > > only the > > > Malefics > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way > and > > that is if > > > we > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > conjunct Jupiter > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP > of > > the 8th of > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > person > > was born in > > > 1973, > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > successful > > or not... > > > This is > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > know > > what our > > > dear > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > light on > > the > > > education > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there > any > > hope that > > > this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > combust and > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > house, > > and afflicted > > > by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > > house, and > > > afflicted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house > is > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Fraser It will be better, if you seek clarification from Prof VKC as such I am simply unable to comment on this chart after your saying that the native has good education. Raj - fraser Friday, December 16, 2005 11:16 PM Re: show me Hello Raj, I have copied that page for myself. I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. Regards, Fraser , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Hello Fraser > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the following link in this regard > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > Raj > - > fraser > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > show me > > > Hello Raj, > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for education > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Rui > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well especially > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > Raj > > > > - > > siha > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes > obstructions. > > Second lord rules professional education. > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > (exalted but > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > education. > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord > makes the > > person manipulative for earnings. > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies. > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions, > losses and > > delays. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my > dear I am > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let > us both wait > > for the guidance. > > > > Raj > > - > > rupamede > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Raj > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > waiting for > > the Masters. > > Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > Rui > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > where is the > > answer? > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from > the Masters > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > rupamede > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > answer Fraser > > then? > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > peruse the mail > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following > points > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > significations, which > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or > are they??? > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please > correct me > > if I > > > > > am wrong... > > > > " > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > analysing > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help > already > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > abilities to > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > indications in > > the > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > " > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and > functional > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated > but also > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > PLANET. So > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > signfications > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. > As per your > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education > because > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > education. > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG > house of > > Mars > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education** > would also > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a > benefic** > > on > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some > good > > > > > indications after all... > > > > " > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > in fant > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > Malefic Mars, > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without any > shortcomings > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods: > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of > age) > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of > age) > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > afflicting > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of > age) > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > afflicted. > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > have been > > avoided. > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > ruling occult > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > point of view. > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > what > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of > a native. > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with > these > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > seem to be > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of > Mars and > > the > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you > care to > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > importance to the > > 8th > > > > lord. > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does > rule > > education specifically higher education involving intellectual > capabilities. > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's > site. > > > > > V House > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > speculative gains > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > children, > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > considered for > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is > closely > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and > afflicted > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological > infrastructre > > required to check the education, which has been given as under > (as per prof > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing > educational > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second > and fourth > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence > (Jupiter) > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and > 24 years. > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of > education, > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > progress of > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > accomplishments are > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating > planetary > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is > medicine, > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job, > etc. > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > relationship with > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > planets placed in > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding > the native > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti > between the > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > education > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3) > settle > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an > impetus to > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and > Moon along > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational > period > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > afflicted, 4th lord > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and > afflicted by > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th > house, and > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > Venus till > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can > supercede > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then > it will be > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the > 8thHouse > > and > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > significations, > > cause its > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > defend this > > 5th > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars > creates, > > takes > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > significations, > > which > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or > are they??? > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > please correct > > me if I > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > help > > already > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > abilities to > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > indications in > > the > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > STRONG house > > of Mars > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > education** would > > also > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is > a > > benefic** on > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > some good > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > <rupamede@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the > following > > chart for > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I > believe that > > from > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about > the chart > > you put > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong > planet is > > Saturn > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > education) is very > > weak > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think > her > > profession > > > > > would > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is > in malefic > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic. > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations, > cause its not > > MT > > > > > house. > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > house. > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars > creates, > > takes > > > > > care of > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > systematic > > delineation > > > > > to > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that > I am so > > good at. > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no > education > > or very > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > <rupamede@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > towards research > > due > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th > house AND > > conjunct > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I > cannot see > > any > > > > > good > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep > enough. Or > > maybe I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > things where > > they do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " > <fraser@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you > saying she > > is > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where > only the > > Malefics > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and > that is if > > we > > > > > look at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > conjunct Jupiter > > in the > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of > the 8th of > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person > was born in > > 1973, > > > > > we > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful > or not... > > This is > > > > > my > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know > what our > > dear > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on > the > > education > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any > hope that > > this > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > combust and > > afflicted by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house, > and afflicted > > by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > house, and > > afflicted > > > > > by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is > debilitated and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 my dear turtle, patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on you. Regards, Fraser , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, *intellectual* and > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers to > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER the > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > Regards, The Turtle. > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > Hello Raj, > > I have copied that page for myself. > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the > > following link in this regard > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > fraser > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > show me > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > education > > > Regards, > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > especially > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > - > > > > siha > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > > causes > > > obstructions. > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > > (exalted but > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > > education. > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > > lord > > > makes the > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > studies. > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > obstructions, > > > losses and > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But > > my > > > dear I am > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. > > Let > > > us both wait > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > > waiting for > > > > the Masters. > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > > > where is the > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > > from > > > the Masters > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > > > answer Fraser > > > > then? > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > > > peruse the mail > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > following > > > points > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > significations, which > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > > or > > > are they??? > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > please > > > correct me > > > > if I > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > > analysing > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > > help > > > already > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > > abilities to > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > > indications in > > > > the > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general > > and > > > functional > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > debilitated > > > but also > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > > > PLANET. So > > > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > > > signfications > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > context. > > > As per your > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > education > > > because > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > STRONG > > > house of > > > > Mars > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > education** > > > would also > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still > > is a > > > benefic** > > > > on > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > > some > > > good > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > " > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > > any > > > shortcomings > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years > > of > > > age) > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years > > of > > > age) > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > > > afflicting > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years > > of > > > age) > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > > > have been > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > > > ruling occult > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > > > point of view. > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > > > what > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > pursuits of > > > a native. > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education > > with > > > these > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > > > seem to be > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > influence of > > > Mars and > > > > the > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if > > you > > > care to > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > > importance to the > > > > 8th > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > > does > > > rule > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > intellectual > > > capabilities. > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > professor's > > > site. > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > > and > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > > creative > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > > speculative gains > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > > > children, > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > > considered for > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus > > is > > > closely > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated > > and > > > afflicted > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > astrological > > > infrastructre > > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > > under > > > (as per prof > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > assessing > > > educational > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > > (second > > > and fourth > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > intelligence > > > (Jupiter) > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call > > for > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 > > and > > > 24 years. > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > significator of > > > education, > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > > > progress of > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > accomplishments are > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > operating > > > planetary > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether > > it is > > > medicine, > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine > > job, > > > etc. > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > > relationship with > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > > planets placed in > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > rewarding > > > the native > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > dasa/bhukti > > > between the > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > > > education > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and > > (3) > > > settle > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give > > an > > > impetus to > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury > > and > > > Moon along > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > operational > > > period > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- placed > > and > > > afflicted by > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > > 8th > > > house, and > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > > > Venus till > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could > > not > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, > > can > > > supercede > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, > > then > > > it will be > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of > > the > > > 8thHouse > > > > and > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > > significations, > > > > cause its > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > > > defend this > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > > Mars > > > creates, > > > > takes > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > significations, > > > > which > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > > or > > > are they??? > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > > please correct > > > > me if I > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > would > > > help > > > > already > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > > abilities to > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > > indications in > > > > the > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > > STRONG house > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > education** would > > > > also > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > **still is > > > a > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > see > > > some good > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > > the > > > following > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how > > I > > > believe that > > > > from > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > > about > > > the chart > > > > you put > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > > strong > > > planet is > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > > education) is very > > > > weak > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > > think > > > her > > > > profession > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > education, is > > > in malefic > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > significations, > > > cause its not > > > > MT > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > > Mars > > > creates, > > > > takes > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > > systematic > > > > delineation > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', > > that > > > I am so > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > > for no > > > education > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > > > towards research > > > > due > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious > > 5th > > > house AND > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > > that, I > > > cannot see > > > > any > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > > deep > > > enough. Or > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > > > things where > > > > they do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " fraser " > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are > > you > > > saying she > > > > is > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > rupamede > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > > where > > > only the > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way > > and > > > that is if > > > > we > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP > > of > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > > person > > > was born in > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > successful > > > or not... > > > > This is > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > > know > > > what our > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > > light on > > > the > > > > education > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there > > any > > > hope that > > > > this > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > > combust and > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > > house, > > > and afflicted > > > > by > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > > > house, and > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house > > is > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 No, Fraser, it won't unless you are able to think about what you are learning and not take all you read for granted. Nothing in written in stone and things change with time. You cannot expect to see all the rules written in the books, you have to use your own imagination and discernment. Regards, Rui. On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser wrote: > my dear turtle, > patiently read all the books on SA and it will all slowly dawn on you. > Regards, > Fraser > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote: > > > > Respected Mr Fraser Ji, > > If among many other significations, 5th house represents > > *intelligence*, *discernment* and discrimination, *intellectual* and > > mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, > > ***higher learning***, would you not infer that it also refers to > > higher education too or at least the education logically AFTER the > > basic education which comes after the one signified by 4th ? > > Regards, The Turtle. > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > Hello Raj, > > > I have copied that page for myself. > > > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > > > Regards, > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read > the > > > following link in this regard > > > > > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > fraser > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > show me > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > > > education > > > > Regards, > > > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and > also > > > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > > > especially > > > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > siha > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > > > causes > > > > obstructions. > > > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > > > (exalted but > > > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > > > education. > > > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > > > lord > > > > makes the > > > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > > > studies. > > > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > > > obstructions, > > > > losses and > > > > > delays. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. > But > > > my > > > > dear I am > > > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as > you. > > > Let > > > > us both wait > > > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > > > waiting for > > > > > the Masters. > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question > was > > > > where is the > > > > > answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > > > from > > > > the Masters > > > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can > you > > > > answer Fraser > > > > > then? > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If > you > > > > peruse the mail > > > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > > > following > > > > points > > > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > significations, which > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > Education - > > > or > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > > please > > > > correct me > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > > > analysing > > > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > would > > > help > > > > already > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > Research > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > education > > > > indications in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their > general > > > and > > > > functional > > > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > > > debilitated > > > > but also > > > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST > MALEFIC > > > > PLANET. So > > > > > though it can provide the native with general and > functional > > > > signfications > > > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > > > context. > > > > As per your > > > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > > > education > > > > because > > > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > > STRONG > > > > house of > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > education** > > > > would also > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > **still > > > is a > > > > benefic** > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > see > > > some > > > > good > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > > > in fant > > > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > > > Malefic Mars, > > > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > > > any > > > > shortcomings > > > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > > > periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 > years > > > of > > > > age) > > > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 > years > > > of > > > > age) > > > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a > malefic > > > > afflicting > > > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 > years > > > of > > > > age) > > > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed > and > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question > should > > > > have been > > > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th > lord > > > > ruling occult > > > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the > strength > > > > point of view. > > > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle > then > > > > what > > > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > > > pursuits of > > > > a native. > > > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good > education > > > with > > > > these > > > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like > Fraser, > > > > seem to be > > > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > > > influence of > > > > Mars and > > > > > the > > > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward > if > > > you > > > > care to > > > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > > > importance to the > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > > > does > > > > rule > > > > > education specifically higher education involving > > > intellectual > > > > capabilities. > > > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > > > professor's > > > > site. > > > > > > > > V House > > > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > > > and > > > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > > > creative > > > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > > > speculative gains > > > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, > progeny, > > > > children, > > > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > > > considered for > > > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord > Venus > > > is > > > > closely > > > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is > debilitated > > > and > > > > afflicted > > > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > > > astrological > > > > infrastructre > > > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > > > under > > > > (as per prof > > > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > > > assessing > > > > educational > > > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > > > (second > > > > and fourth > > > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > > > intelligence > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also > call > > > for > > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of > 16 > > > and > > > > 24 years. > > > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > > > significator of > > > > education, > > > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard > the > > > > progress of > > > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > > > accomplishments are > > > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > > > operating > > > > planetary > > > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., > whether > > > it is > > > > medicine, > > > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a > routine > > > job, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > > > relationship with > > > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > > > planets placed in > > > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > > > rewarding > > > > the native > > > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > > > dasa/bhukti > > > > between the > > > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) > acquire > > > > education > > > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; > and > > > (3) > > > > settle > > > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets > give > > > an > > > > impetus to > > > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, > Mercury > > > and > > > > Moon along > > > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > > > operational > > > > period > > > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill- > placed > > > and > > > > afflicted by > > > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > > > 8th > > > > house, and > > > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and > afflicted > > > > Venus till > > > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned > could > > > not > > > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two > grounds, > > > can > > > > supercede > > > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to > MEP, > > > then > > > > it will be > > > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the > Lord of > > > the > > > > 8thHouse > > > > > and > > > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > > > significations, > > > > > cause its > > > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow > Saturn to > > > > defend this > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, > that > > > Mars > > > > creates, > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > > > significations, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to > Education - > > > or > > > > are they??? > > > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and > 9th - > > > > please correct > > > > > me if I > > > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > > > would > > > > help > > > > > already > > > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person > Research > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good > education > > > > indications in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the > 8th > > > > STRONG house > > > > > of Mars > > > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > > > education** would > > > > > also > > > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > > > **still is > > > > a > > > > > benefic** on > > > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > > > see > > > > some good > > > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > > > the > > > > following > > > > > chart for > > > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and > how > > > I > > > > believe that > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > > > about > > > > the chart > > > > > you put > > > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > > > strong > > > > planet is > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > > > education) is very > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > > > think > > > > her > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > > > education, is > > > > in malefic > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > > > significations, > > > > cause its not > > > > > MT > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this > 5th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > > > Mars > > > > creates, > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > > > systematic > > > > > delineation > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > reach to > an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond > unfounded 'guesswork', > > > that > > > > I am so > > > > > good at. > > > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > > > for no > > > > education > > > > > or very > > > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be > inclined > > > > towards research > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the > auspicious > > > 5th > > > > house AND > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > > > that, I > > > > cannot see > > > > > any > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > > > deep > > > > enough. Or > > > > > maybe I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to > see > > > > things where > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " fraser " > > > > <fraser@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or > are > > > you > > > > saying she > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > rupamede > > > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > > > where > > > > only the > > > > > Malefics > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one > way > > > and > > > > that is if > > > > > we > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > > > conjunct Jupiter > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the > MEP > > > of > > > > the 8th of > > > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > > > person > > > > was born in > > > > > 1973, > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > > > successful > > > > or not... > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > > > know > > > > what our > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > > > light on > > > > the > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is > there > > > any > > > > hope that > > > > > this > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > > > combust and > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > > > house, > > > > and afflicted > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in > 6th > > > > house, and > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th > house > > > is > > > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hello Mr. Fraser, http://www.yournetastrologer.com/appli/a11.htm Best wishes, - " fraser " <fraser Friday, December 16, 2005 11:16 PM Re: show me Hello Raj, I have copied that page for myself. I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. Regards, Fraser , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Hello Fraser > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the following link in this regard > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > Raj > - > fraser > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > show me > > > Hello Raj, > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for education > Regards, > Fraser > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Rui > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well especially > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > Raj > > > > - > > siha > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord causes > obstructions. > > Second lord rules professional education. > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > (exalted but > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > education. > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh lord > makes the > > person manipulative for earnings. > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing studies. > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate obstructions, > losses and > > delays. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But my > dear I am > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. Let > us both wait > > for the guidance. > > > > Raj > > - > > rupamede > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > Raj > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > waiting for > > the Masters. > > Rui. > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > Rui > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > where is the > > answer? > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn from > the Masters > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > rupamede > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > answer Fraser > > then? > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > peruse the mail > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your following > points > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > significations, which > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or > are they??? > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - please > correct me > > if I > > > > > am wrong... > > > > " > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > analysing > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would help > already > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > abilities to > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > indications in > > the > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > " > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general and > functional > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only debilitated > but also > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > PLANET. So > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > signfications > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this context. > As per your > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good education > because > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > education. > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th STRONG > house of > > Mars > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher education** > would also > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is a > benefic** > > on > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see some > good > > > > > indications after all... > > > > " > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > in fant > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > Malefic Mars, > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without any > shortcomings > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following periods: > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years of > age) > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years of > age) > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > afflicting > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years of > age) > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > afflicted. > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > have been > > avoided. > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > ruling occult > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > point of view. > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > what > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational pursuits of > a native. > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education with > these > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > seem to be > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the influence of > Mars and > > the > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if you > care to > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > importance to the > > 8th > > > > lord. > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house does > rule > > education specifically higher education involving intellectual > capabilities. > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on professor's > site. > > > > > V House > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment and > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > speculative gains > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > children, > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > considered for > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus is > closely > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated and > afflicted > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic astrological > infrastructre > > required to check the education, which has been given as under > (as per prof > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of assessing > educational > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, (second > and fourth > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and intelligence > (Jupiter) > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call for > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 and > 24 years. > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and significator of > education, > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > progress of > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > accomplishments are > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with operating > planetary > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether it is > medicine, > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine job, > etc. > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > relationship with > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > planets placed in > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for rewarding > the native > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their dasa/bhukti > between the > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > education > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and (3) > settle > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give an > impetus to > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury and > Moon along > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the operational > period > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > afflicted, 4th lord > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed and > afflicted by > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in 8th > house, and > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > Venus till > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could not > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, can > supercede > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, then > it will be > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of the > 8thHouse > > and > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > significations, > > cause its > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > defend this > > 5th > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars > creates, > > takes > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > significations, > > which > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - or > are they??? > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > please correct > > me if I > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > help > > already > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > abilities to > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > indications in > > the > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > STRONG house > > of Mars > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > education** would > > also > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still is > a > > benefic** on > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > some good > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > <rupamede@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u the > following > > chart for > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how I > believe that > > from > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said about > the chart > > you put > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only strong > planet is > > Saturn > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > education) is very > > weak > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you think > her > > profession > > > > > would > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for education, is > in malefic > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and malefic. > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house significations, > cause its not > > MT > > > > > house. > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > house. > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that Mars > creates, > > takes > > > > > care of > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > systematic > > delineation > > > > > to > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', that > I am so > > good at. > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case for no > education > > or very > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > <rupamede@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > towards research > > due > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious 5th > house AND > > conjunct > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than that, I > cannot see > > any > > > > > good > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking deep > enough. Or > > maybe I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > things where > > they do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " > <fraser@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are you > saying she > > is > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart where > only the > > Malefics > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way and > that is if > > we > > > > > look at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > conjunct Jupiter > > in the > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP of > the 8th of > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this person > was born in > > 1973, > > > > > we > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was successful > or not... > > This is > > > > > my > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to know > what our > > dear > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some light on > the > > education > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there any > hope that > > this > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > combust and > > afflicted by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th house, > and afflicted > > by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > house, and > > afflicted > > > > > by > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house is > debilitated and > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Mr. Choudhry, Sir, I do appreciate, you pointing out the webpage for me. I do see, on the page that the 'fifth house is for learning', and as I read on, and scroll down to ROLE OF EDUCATIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, I do not see the fifth house mentioned therein. There is mention of other houses and how one needs to use them to delineate education. Do you feel, as I do, that the fifth house needs to be added and explained in that section, so that students would not disregard the 5th house, considering that it has been absent in this important chapter. Thank You, Regards, Fraser. , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Fraser, > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/appli/a11.htm > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " fraser " <fraser@p...> > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:16 PM > Re: show me > > > Hello Raj, > I have copied that page for myself. > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > Regards, > Fraser > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the > following link in this regard > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > Raj > > - > > fraser > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > show me > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > education > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > especially > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > siha > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > causes > > obstructions. > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > (exalted but > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > education. > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > lord > > makes the > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > studies. > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > obstructions, > > losses and > > > delays. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But > my > > dear I am > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. > Let > > us both wait > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > rupamede > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > waiting for > > > the Masters. > > > Rui. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > > where is the > > > answer? > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > from > > the Masters > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > > answer Fraser > > > then? > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > > peruse the mail > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > following > > points > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > significations, which > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > or > > are they??? > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > please > > correct me > > > if I > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > analysing > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > help > > already > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > abilities to > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > indications in > > > the > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general > and > > functional > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > debilitated > > but also > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > > PLANET. So > > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > > signfications > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > context. > > As per your > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > education > > because > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > education. > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > STRONG > > house of > > > Mars > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > education** > > would also > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still > is a > > benefic** > > > on > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > some > > good > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > " > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > in fant > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > Malefic Mars, > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > any > > shortcomings > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > periods: > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years > of > > age) > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years > of > > age) > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > > afflicting > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years > of > > age) > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > > have been > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > > ruling occult > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > > point of view. > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > > what > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > pursuits of > > a native. > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education > with > > these > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > > seem to be > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > influence of > > Mars and > > > the > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if > you > > care to > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > importance to the > > > 8th > > > > > lord. > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > does > > rule > > > education specifically higher education involving > intellectual > > capabilities. > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > professor's > > site. > > > > > > V House > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > and > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > creative > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > speculative gains > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > > children, > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > considered for > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus > is > > closely > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated > and > > afflicted > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > astrological > > infrastructre > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > under > > (as per prof > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > assessing > > educational > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > (second > > and fourth > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > intelligence > > (Jupiter) > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call > for > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 > and > > 24 years. > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > significator of > > education, > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > > progress of > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > accomplishments are > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > operating > > planetary > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether > it is > > medicine, > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine > job, > > etc. > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > relationship with > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > planets placed in > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > rewarding > > the native > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > dasa/bhukti > > between the > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > > education > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and > (3) > > settle > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give > an > > impetus to > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury > and > > Moon along > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > operational > > period > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed > and > > afflicted by > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > 8th > > house, and > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > > Venus till > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could > not > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, > can > > supercede > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, > then > > it will be > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of > the > > 8thHouse > > > and > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > significations, > > > cause its > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > > defend this > > > 5th > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > Mars > > creates, > > > takes > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > significations, > > > which > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > or > > are they??? > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > please correct > > > me if I > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > would > > help > > > already > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > abilities to > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > indications in > > > the > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > STRONG house > > > of Mars > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > education** would > > > also > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > **still is > > a > > > benefic** on > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > see > > some good > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > the > > following > > > chart for > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how > I > > believe that > > > from > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > about > > the chart > > > you put > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > strong > > planet is > > > Saturn > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > education) is very > > > weak > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > think > > her > > > profession > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > education, is > > in malefic > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > malefic. > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > significations, > > cause its not > > > MT > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > > house. > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > Mars > > creates, > > > takes > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > systematic > > > delineation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', > that > > I am so > > > good at. > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > for no > > education > > > or very > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > > <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > > towards research > > > due > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious > 5th > > house AND > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > that, I > > cannot see > > > any > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > deep > > enough. Or > > > maybe I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > > things where > > > they do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " > > <fraser@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are > you > > saying she > > > is > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > rupamede > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > where > > only the > > > Malefics > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way > and > > that is if > > > we > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > conjunct Jupiter > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP > of > > the 8th of > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > person > > was born in > > > 1973, > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > successful > > or not... > > > This is > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > know > > what our > > > dear > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > light on > > the > > > education > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there > any > > hope that > > > this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > combust and > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > house, > > and afflicted > > > by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > > house, and > > > afflicted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house > is > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hello dear Mr. Fraser, If you refer to the book - self learning course Appendix B - in the end of the book you will find that order of significations for education (basic), education (higher) and education (spiritual) have been given separately. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " fraser " <fraser Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:20 AM Re: show me Mr. Choudhry, Sir, I do appreciate, you pointing out the webpage for me. I do see, on the page that the 'fifth house is for learning', and as I read on, and scroll down to ROLE OF EDUCATIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, I do not see the fifth house mentioned therein. There is mention of other houses and how one needs to use them to delineate education. Do you feel, as I do, that the fifth house needs to be added and explained in that section, so that students would not disregard the 5th house, considering that it has been absent in this important chapter. Thank You, Regards, Fraser. , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Fraser, > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/appli/a11.htm > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " fraser " <fraser@p...> > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:16 PM > Re: show me > > > Hello Raj, > I have copied that page for myself. > I still dont see where it mentions the 5th house. > Regards, > Fraser > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Fraser > > > > the message was meant for Rui not for you. Anyway you can read the > following link in this regard > > > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/basic/b09.htm > > > > Raj > > - > > fraser > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 11:01 PM > > show me > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > Show me on Professors website where it says 5th house for > education > > Regards, > > Fraser > > > > > > > > > > , " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > > So you can now accept that fifth house rules education and also > > that the educational pursuits in this chart are not well > especially > > due to the operating periods at the time of education. > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > - > > > siha > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Raj, Fraser, Rui and list members, > > > > > > Fourth house rules school education. > > > Fifth rules college and professional education. > > > The exact impact of eighth lord on the weak fourth lord > causes > > obstructions. > > > Second lord rules professional education. > > > The influence of 12th lord on the lord of the second house > > (exalted but > > > weak) takes the person to foreign lands/distant place for > > education. > > > Impact of Rahu on the weak/badly placed Moon the eleventh > lord > > makes the > > > person manipulative for earnings. > > > Well placed exalted Mars helps in support for pursuing > studies. > > > Operating main periods in this chart also indicate > obstructions, > > losses and > > > delays. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " RAJ " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > I am not at all disagree, I Just failed to understand. But > my > > dear I am > > > helpless, I am a very very slow learner not as fast as you. > Let > > us both wait > > > for the guidance. > > > > > > Raj > > > - > > > rupamede > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 PM > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > I gave my answer clealy. You did not agree. So me too am > > waiting for > > > the Masters. > > > Rui. > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Rui > > > > > > > > It was not a question, who can answer? The question was > > where is the > > > answer? > > > > > > > > Further, I love to remain silent so that I can learn > from > > the Masters > > > and I am waiting. > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > - > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj, > > > > Having had such a in depth look into this chart can you > > answer Fraser > > > then? > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > It was not like replying on anyone's lines. If you > > peruse the mail > > > thoroughly you will find that I have explained on your > following > > points > > > > > " BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > significations, which > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > or > > are they??? > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > please > > correct me > > > if I > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > First, 5th house does have a say in one's education. > > > > > > > > > > Second, the key elements to be taken care of while > > analysing > > > educational pursuits as per SA. > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > " The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter would > help > > already > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > abilities to > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > indications in > > > the > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > As per SA weak planets fail to support their general > and > > functional > > > significations. Jupiter, though benefic, is not only > debilitated > > but also > > > under close influence of MMP Mars, Note Mars is MOST MALEFIC > > PLANET. So > > > though it can provide the native with general and functional > > signfications > > > of Mars, I don't see any relation to education in this > context. > > As per your > > > version, mere taking birth in Virgo Lagna secures good > education > > because > > > Jupiter will remain a benefic planet ruling 4th house of > > education. > > > > > > > > > > Further you analysed > > > > > " Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > STRONG > > house of > > > Mars > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > education** > > would also > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - **still > is a > > benefic** > > > on > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do see > some > > good > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > " > > > > > Moon is weak on three grounds > > > > > > > > > > placed in 8th house > > > > > in fant > > > > > close to the Sun > > > > > > > > > > So concluding on the basis of such a weak Moon and > > Malefic Mars, > > > that the native can accomplish desirable education without > any > > shortcomings > > > is beyond SA principles and that too during the following > periods: > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Jupiter from Jan 1988 to Sept 1990 (15-17 years > of > > age) > > > > > Here both these planets are weak and afflicted > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Saturn from Sept 1990 to Nov 1993 (17-20 years > of > > age) > > > > > Venus is weak and afflicted while Saturn is a malefic > > afflicting > > > Mercury, a secondary karaka for education. > > > > > > > > > > Venus/Mercury from Nov 1993 to Sept 1996 (20-23 years > of > > age) > > > > > Again the sub-period lord Mercury is ill placed and > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > Submiting a question in response to a question should > > have been > > > avoided. > > > > > > > > > > As far as your point of Mars strength being 8th lord > > ruling occult > > > and research work is concerned, I do agree with the strength > > point of view. > > > But if this is taken into account as a general principle then > > what > > > combinations could disturb or destroy the educational > pursuits of > > a native. > > > Fraser was asking whether the native can have good education > with > > these > > > combinations if yes how? > > > > > > > > > > I hope you can understand my point. > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > - > > > > > rupamede > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Raj, > > > > > Thank you for your reply but also you, like Fraser, > > seem to be > > > > > consistingly overlooking my reading of the > influence of > > Mars and > > > the > > > > > 8th house significations, but I will not insist. > > > > > On the other hand the chart I have put forward if > you > > care to > > > > > examinetti you will see why I am giving such an > > importance to the > > > 8th > > > > > lord. > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, RAJ <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding of astrology 5th house > does > > rule > > > education specifically higher education involving > intellectual > > capabilities. > > > Following is the copy of what has been provided on > professor's > > site. > > > > > > V House > > > > > > Represents intelligence, emotions, discernment > and > > > discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, > creative > > > intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, lover, > > speculative gains > > > from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, > > children, > > > knowledge, wisdom, higher learning, training, > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, even if 2nd 4th and 9th houses are > > considered for > > > higher learning; you may like to consider that 2nd lord Venus > is > > closely > > > combust and afflicted by Sun, 4th Lord Jupiter is debilitated > and > > afflicted > > > by MMP. > > > > > > > > > > > > you may also like to peruse the basic > astrological > > infrastructre > > > required to check the education, which has been given as > under > > (as per prof > > > SHRI VKC's web-site > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the traditional methods of > assessing > > educational > > > accomplishments, i.e.,the strength of the vidya sthana, > (second > > and fourth > > > houses), significators for education (Mercury) and > intelligence > > (Jupiter) > > > and the strength of the Moon, the following factors also call > for > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Planetary periods between the ages of 16 > and > > 24 years. > > > As, irrespective of the strength of the house and > significator of > > education, > > > the unfavorable operating planetary periods will retard the > > progress of > > > education, both academic and professional. > > > > > > 2. As the results of one's educational > > accomplishments are > > > filtered through the tenth house, this, together with > operating > > planetary > > > periods, also determines the area of vocation,i.e., whether > it is > > medicine, > > > engineering, general, administration, analytical, a routine > job, > > etc. > > > > > > 3. The second house rules status and its > > relationship with > > > the ascendant, third house, tenth house, etc., as also the > > planets placed in > > > the second house. A strong ninth house has roots for > rewarding > > the native > > > for his efforts in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The weak and afflicted planets in their > dasa/bhukti > > between the > > > age of 16 to 24 years do not allow the person to (1) acquire > > education > > > suitable for successful vocation; (2) get a suitable job; and > (3) > > settle > > > properly in life. Similarly, exalted and strong planets give > an > > impetus to > > > the academic pursuits of a person. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see that strength of Jupiter, Mercury > and > > Moon along > > > with the strength of 2nd and 4th house besides the > operational > > period > > > during 16 to 24 years of age is to be taken into > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > As in this case, 2nd lord venus is weak and > > afflicted, 4th lord > > > Jupiter is deb. and afflicted by MMP, Mercury is ill-placed > and > > afflicted by > > > Saturn, Moon is weak being infant, close to the Sun and in > 8th > > house, and > > > the native concerned was under dasa of combust and afflicted > > Venus till > > > 1997; the educational pursuits of the native concerned could > not > > flourish. > > > > > > > > > > > > And if alone Moon, which is weak on two grounds, > can > > supercede > > > all these factors simply because it is placed close to MEP, > then > > it will be > > > Okay that the native would have had good education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > RPM > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 16, 2005 5:11 PM > > > > > > Re: no education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that as you say: " Is not Mars the Lord of > the > > 8thHouse > > > and > > > > > > malefic " and " It should spoil the 5th house > > significations, > > > cause its > > > > > > not MT house. " plus " SA does not allow Saturn to > > defend this > > > 5th > > > > > > house and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > Mars > > creates, > > > takes > > > > > > care of any good out of this house. " > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT my point had nothing to do with 5th house > > significations, > > > which > > > > > > according to SA are not connected to Education - > or > > are they??? > > > > > > Education I think should be 2nd, 4th and 9th - > > please correct > > > me if I > > > > > > am wrong... > > > > > > The Auspicious 5th house PLUS Benefic Jupiter > would > > help > > > already > > > > > > strong 8th lord Mars giving this person Research > > abilities to > > > > > > compensate for the lack of normal good education > > indications in > > > the > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the Moon placed in the MEP point in the 8th > > STRONG house > > > of Mars > > > > > > aspecting **MEP** of **2nd house of higher > > education** would > > > also > > > > > > have influence no matter how weak it is - > **still is > > a > > > benefic** on > > > > > > the MEP and as from a strong house - so I do > see > > some good > > > > > > indications after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rupamede > > <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pressed for time now, but I can give u > the > > following > > > chart for > > > > > > > discussion about the 8th house effects and how > I > > believe that > > > from > > > > > > > experiance I am right in saying what I said > about > > the chart > > > you put > > > > > > > forward for discussion yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/04/1973 at 14.13 in Wurzburg Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think this woman is doing? Only > strong > > planet is > > > Saturn > > > > > > > and especially Mercury (2nd lord of higher > > education) is very > > > weak > > > > > > > debilitated and in the 8th. So what do you > think > > her > > > profession > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be? Could she ever succeed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, 9th lord also significator for > education, is > > in malefic > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rui, > > > > > > > > Is not Mars the Lord of the 8thHouse and > malefic. > > > > > > > > It should spoil the 5th house > significations, > > cause its not > > > MT > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > SA does not allow Saturn to defend this 5th > > house. > > > > > > > > and the close affliction to Jupiter, that > Mars > > creates, > > > takes > > > > > > care of > > > > > > > > any good out of this house. > > > > > > > > I want to see SA principles applied and a > > systematic > > > delineation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach to an 'interpretation'/'prediction'. > > > > > > > > I want to go beyond unfounded 'guesswork', > that > > I am so > > > good at. > > > > > > > > According to me this chart makes the case > for no > > education > > > or very > > > > > > > > little education. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " RPM " > > <rupamede@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser, > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion she may be inclined > > towards research > > > due > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > good placement of Mars in the auspicious > 5th > > house AND > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > Functional Benefic Jupiter. Other than > that, I > > cannot see > > > any > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > indications, but maybe I am not looking > deep > > enough. Or > > > maybe I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > trying to be a bit too positive and to see > > things where > > > they do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist - that could be too... > > > > > > > > > Regards, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " fraser " > > <fraser@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rui, > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying she is educated or are > you > > saying she > > > is > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > rupamede > > > <rupamede@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fraser, > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great example of a chart > where > > only the > > > Malefics > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > good shape!!! > > > > > > > > > > > For education, I can only see one way > and > > that is if > > > we > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house of Research. Lord Mars is > > conjunct Jupiter > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house. Then the Moon is on the MEP > of > > the 8th of > > > > > > Research. > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > > > this help this native? Since this > person > > was born in > > > 1973, > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > know by now whether he/she was > successful > > or not... > > > This is > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > anyway and I would be interested to > know > > what our > > > dear > > > > > > > > Professor and > > > > > > > > > > > our list friends think too. > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST, Mr. Choudhry, Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please throw some > light on > > the > > > education > > > > > > > > prospects > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far this is what I see. Is there > any > > hope that > > > this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > get a good education at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Venus, (lord of 2nd house) is > > combust and > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Lagna lord Mercury is in 6th > house, > > and afflicted > > > by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > � 10th house Lord, Mercury in 6th > > house, and > > > afflicted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > � Jupiter, the Lord of 4th house > is > > debilitated and > > > > > > > > afflicted by > > > > > > > > > > MMP > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: Apr 4,1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 5:17PM TimeZone: -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > 77E13 28N40 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant 03:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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