Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies this house, usually it can point to betrayal subject to other confirmations. If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to sons and if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as indication of extra marital affair but it will often take the form of seperation from spouse in hour of need. It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs with the lover walking away first. For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, the native ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect on the native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native will be 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, in view of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, lots of hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal takes the form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital affair, if the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an Arudha house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the above, the spouse was born in a punya tithi.) I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to throw light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or confirm them too. 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, conduct a mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. I hope the respected members of the forum respond. Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Hello Mr. Mohan, Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these obstructions can be on any account including betrayal or delays or separations. In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, should be strengthened for better results. Best wishes, - " kishore mohan " <kishore_future Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies this house, > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other confirmations. > > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to sons and > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. > > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as indication of > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of seperation > from spouse in hour of need. > > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs with > the lover walking away first. > > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, the native > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect on the > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native will be > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. > > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, in view > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, lots of > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. > > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal takes the > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital affair, if > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an Arudha > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the above, the > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) > > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. > > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to throw > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. > > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or confirm them too. > > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, conduct a > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. > > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. > > > Kishore patnaik > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Respected Sir, It is very interesting what you wrote.In my mother in law's chart -Aquarius Lagna-Jup and Venus are in the 7th house in Leo but the 7th Lord Sun is in the 8th conjunct with 8th Lord Mercury.He died in 1996,leaving her a widow now for more than 9 years.She is still alive and healthy. Regards Kaimal - <siha Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:50 PM Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > Hello Mr. Mohan, > > Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these obstructions > can be on any account including betrayal or delays or separations. > > In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, > should be strengthened for better results. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > - > " kishore mohan " <kishore_future > > Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM > Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > > > > > > > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies this house, > > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other confirmations. > > > > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to sons and > > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. > > > > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as indication of > > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of seperation > > from spouse in hour of need. > > > > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs with > > the lover walking away first. > > > > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, the native > > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect on the > > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native will be > > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. > > > > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, in view > > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, lots of > > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. > > > > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal takes the > > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital affair, if > > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an Arudha > > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the above, the > > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) > > > > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. > > > > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to throw > > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. > > > > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or confirm them too. > > > > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda > > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, conduct a > > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. > > > > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, should be strengthened for better results. Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance of its place of posted in natal chart. RMSharma , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Mohan, > > Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these obstructions > can be on any account including betrayal or delays or separations. > > In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, > should be strengthened for better results. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > - > " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> > > Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM > Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > > > > > > > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies this house, > > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other confirmations. > > > > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to sons and > > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. > > > > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as indication of > > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of seperation > > from spouse in hour of need. > > > > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs with > > the lover walking away first. > > > > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, the native > > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect on the > > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native will be > > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. > > > > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, in view > > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, lots of > > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. > > > > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal takes the > > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital affair, if > > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an Arudha > > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the above, the > > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) > > > > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. > > > > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to throw > > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. > > > > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or confirm them too. > > > > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda > > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, conduct a > > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. > > > > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Hello Mr. Sharma, By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its MT sign house and its general significations and not of the house of its placement. Best wishes, - " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, > should be strengthened for better results. > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general > significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance of > its place of posted in natal chart. > RMSharma > > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mr. Mohan, >> >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these > obstructions >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or separations. >> >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional > benefic, >> should be strengthened for better results. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> >> >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> > >> > >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies this > house, >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other confirmations. >> > >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to sons > and >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. >> > >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as indication > of >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of seperation >> > from spouse in hour of need. >> > >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs > with >> > the lover walking away first. >> > >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, the > native >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect on > the >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native will be >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. >> > >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, in > view >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, > lots of >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. >> > >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal takes > the >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital affair, > if >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an > Arudha >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the above, the >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) >> > >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. >> > >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to > throw >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. >> > >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or confirm > them too. >> > >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, > conduct a >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. >> > >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. >> > >> > >> > Kishore patnaik >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Dear choudhryji, What you have said is right in general terms. But I have raised a speicific querry. The classical writers are unanimous in saying that the 7th Lord in eighth(except for ascendants of Cancer) is not a desirable place to be in, resulting in limited and miserable conjugal life. Most of them have pointed towards seperation. In my post, I have tried to find the fundamental reason for such misery and seperation- which seems to be 'betrayal'. Betrayal as I said need not point to extra marital relations but could be of general nature also. Now, my question is if you see a native with such position, what are the remedies you are going to suggest? It is indeed a tough question though I have suggested two obvious ways out- reading sundara kanda or having (real or mock) marriage during an akash tithi represent union and work against seperation, by betrayal or otherwise. It is heartening to receive several mails, mostly from natives, confirming my observation from their natal charts. Interestingly, an elderly gentle man has written to me that he had been ditched by his colleagues and I noticed his 10th Lord is placed in 8th! I hope there are more specific replies to my querry than the general type of answer given by you. HOpe to hear from the Learned Group Members, Kishore patnaik , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Sharma, > > By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its MT sign house > and its general significations and not of the house of its placement. > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant@h...> > > Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM > Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > > > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, > > should be strengthened for better results. > > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. > > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general > > significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance of > > its place of posted in natal chart. > > RMSharma > > > > , <siha> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hello Mr. Mohan, > >> > >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these > > obstructions > >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or separations. > >> > >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional > > benefic, > >> should be strengthened for better results. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - > >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> > >> > >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM > >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies this > > house, > >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other confirmations. > >> > > >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to sons > > and > >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. > >> > > >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as indication > > of > >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of seperation > >> > from spouse in hour of need. > >> > > >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs > > with > >> > the lover walking away first. > >> > > >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, the > > native > >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect on > > the > >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native will be > >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. > >> > > >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, in > > view > >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, > > lots of > >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. > >> > > >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal takes > > the > >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital affair, > > if > >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an > > Arudha > >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the above, the > >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) > >> > > >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. > >> > > >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to > > throw > >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. > >> > > >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or confirm > > them too. > >> > > >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda > >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, > > conduct a > >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. > >> > > >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. > >> > > >> > > >> > Kishore patnaik > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hello Mr. Kishore, A planet in the eighth house becomes weak and it causes problems to its MT sign house significations and its general significations. I recommend strengthening of this planet and propitiatory remedies if any functional malefic is afflicting the planet in question or the MEP of its house. Best wishes, - " kishore mohan " <kishore_future Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:34 PM Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > Dear choudhryji, > > > What you have said is right in general terms. But I have raised a > speicific querry. The classical writers are unanimous in saying > that the 7th Lord in eighth(except for ascendants of Cancer) is not > a desirable place to be in, resulting in limited and miserable > conjugal life. > > Most of them have pointed towards seperation. In my post, I have > tried to find the fundamental reason for such misery and seperation- > which seems to be 'betrayal'. Betrayal as I said need not point to > extra marital relations but could be of general nature also. > > > Now, my question is if you see a native with such position, what > are the remedies you are going to suggest? > > It is indeed a tough question though I have suggested two obvious > ways out- reading sundara kanda or having (real or mock) marriage > during an akash tithi represent union and work against seperation, > by betrayal or otherwise. > > It is heartening to receive several mails, mostly from natives, > confirming my observation from their natal charts. Interestingly, an > elderly gentle man has written to me that he had been ditched by his > colleagues and I noticed his 10th Lord is placed in 8th! > > I hope there are more specific replies to my querry than the general > type of answer given by you. > > HOpe to hear from the Learned Group Members, > > Kishore patnaik > > > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mr. Sharma, >> >> By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its MT > sign house >> and its general significations and not of the house of its > placement. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> - >> " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant@h...> >> >> Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM >> Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, >> > should be strengthened for better results. >> > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. >> > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general >> > significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance > of >> > its place of posted in natal chart. >> > RMSharma >> > >> > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Mr. Mohan, >> >> >> >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these >> > obstructions >> >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or > separations. >> >> >> >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a > functional >> > benefic, >> >> should be strengthened for better results. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> >> >> >> >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM >> >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies > this >> > house, >> >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other > confirmations. >> >> > >> >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to > sons >> > and >> >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. >> >> > >> >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as > indication >> > of >> >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of > seperation >> >> > from spouse in hour of need. >> >> > >> >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs >> > with >> >> > the lover walking away first. >> >> > >> >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, > the >> > native >> >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect > on >> > the >> >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native > will be >> >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. >> >> > >> >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, > in >> > view >> >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, >> > lots of >> >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. >> >> > >> >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal > takes >> > the >> >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital > affair, >> > if >> >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an >> > Arudha >> >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the > above, the >> >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) >> >> > >> >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. >> >> > >> >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to >> > throw >> >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. >> >> > >> >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or > confirm >> > them too. >> >> > >> >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda >> >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, >> > conduct a >> >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. >> >> > >> >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Kishore patnaik >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Dear Professor, In my case, (Scorpio ascendant), Venus (7th lord) is in the 8th house, but the MT is in the 12th house, so it is MMP for Scorpio. In this case, I know that it should never be strengthened. But is it good, that the lord of the 12th is weak( by placement in 8th)? Regards, Prithvi <siha Sent by: 11/16/2005 04:59 PM Please respond to cc: Re: Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies Hello Mr. Kishore, A planet in the eighth house becomes weak and it causes problems to its MT sign house significations and its general significations. I recommend strengthening of this planet and propitiatory remedies if any functional malefic is afflicting the planet in question or the MEP of its house. Best wishes, - " kishore mohan " <kishore_future Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:34 PM Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > Dear choudhryji, > > > What you have said is right in general terms. But I have raised a > speicific querry. The classical writers are unanimous in saying > that the 7th Lord in eighth(except for ascendants of Cancer) is not > a desirable place to be in, resulting in limited and miserable > conjugal life. > > Most of them have pointed towards seperation. In my post, I have > tried to find the fundamental reason for such misery and seperation- > which seems to be 'betrayal'. Betrayal as I said need not point to > extra marital relations but could be of general nature also. > > > Now, my question is if you see a native with such position, what > are the remedies you are going to suggest? > > It is indeed a tough question though I have suggested two obvious > ways out- reading sundara kanda or having (real or mock) marriage > during an akash tithi represent union and work against seperation, > by betrayal or otherwise. > > It is heartening to receive several mails, mostly from natives, > confirming my observation from their natal charts. Interestingly, an > elderly gentle man has written to me that he had been ditched by his > colleagues and I noticed his 10th Lord is placed in 8th! > > I hope there are more specific replies to my querry than the general > type of answer given by you. > > HOpe to hear from the Learned Group Members, > > Kishore patnaik > > > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mr. Sharma, >> >> By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its MT > sign house >> and its general significations and not of the house of its > placement. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> - >> " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant@h...> >> >> Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM >> Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, >> > should be strengthened for better results. >> > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. >> > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general >> > significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance > of >> > its place of posted in natal chart. >> > RMSharma >> > >> > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Mr. Mohan, >> >> >> >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these >> > obstructions >> >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or > separations. >> >> >> >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a > functional >> > benefic, >> >> should be strengthened for better results. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> >> >> >> >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM >> >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies > this >> > house, >> >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other > confirmations. >> >> > >> >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to > sons >> > and >> >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. >> >> > >> >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as > indication >> > of >> >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of > seperation >> >> > from spouse in hour of need. >> >> > >> >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs >> > with >> >> > the lover walking away first. >> >> > >> >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, > the >> > native >> >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect > on >> > the >> >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native > will be >> >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. >> >> > >> >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, > in >> > view >> >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, >> > lots of >> >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. >> >> > >> >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal > takes >> > the >> >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital > affair, >> > if >> >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an >> > Arudha >> >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the > above, the >> >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) >> >> > >> >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. >> >> > >> >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to >> > throw >> >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. >> >> > >> >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or > confirm >> > them too. >> >> > >> >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda >> >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, >> > conduct a >> >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. >> >> > >> >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Kishore patnaik >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hello dear Mr. Sharma, For Scorpio ascendant there is no MT sign in the seventh house. Though the weakness is not good for any planet yet I do not recommend strengthening of functional malefic planets. Best wishes, - <prithvi.sharma Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:53 PM Re: Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > Dear Professor, > > In my case, (Scorpio ascendant), Venus (7th lord) is in the 8th house, but > the MT is in the 12th house, so it is MMP for Scorpio. In this case, I > know that it should never be strengthened. But is it good, that the lord > of the 12th is weak( by placement in 8th)? > > > Regards, > Prithvi > > > > > <siha > Sent by: > 11/16/2005 04:59 PM > Please respond to > > > cc: > Re: Re: Seventh Lord in eighth > House-remedies > > > > Hello Mr. Kishore, > > A planet in the eighth house becomes weak and it causes problems to its MT > > sign house significations and its general significations. I recommend > strengthening of this planet and propitiatory remedies if any functional > malefic is afflicting the planet in question or the MEP of its house. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > - > " kishore mohan " <kishore_future > > Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:34 PM > Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > >> >> Dear choudhryji, >> >> >> What you have said is right in general terms. But I have raised a >> speicific querry. The classical writers are unanimous in saying >> that the 7th Lord in eighth(except for ascendants of Cancer) is not >> a desirable place to be in, resulting in limited and miserable >> conjugal life. >> >> Most of them have pointed towards seperation. In my post, I have >> tried to find the fundamental reason for such misery and seperation- >> which seems to be 'betrayal'. Betrayal as I said need not point to >> extra marital relations but could be of general nature also. >> >> >> Now, my question is if you see a native with such position, what >> are the remedies you are going to suggest? >> >> It is indeed a tough question though I have suggested two obvious >> ways out- reading sundara kanda or having (real or mock) marriage >> during an akash tithi represent union and work against seperation, >> by betrayal or otherwise. >> >> It is heartening to receive several mails, mostly from natives, >> confirming my observation from their natal charts. Interestingly, an >> elderly gentle man has written to me that he had been ditched by his >> colleagues and I noticed his 10th Lord is placed in 8th! >> >> I hope there are more specific replies to my querry than the general >> type of answer given by you. >> >> HOpe to hear from the Learned Group Members, >> >> Kishore patnaik >> >> >> , <siha> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello Mr. Sharma, >>> >>> By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its MT >> sign house >>> and its general significations and not of the house of its >> placement. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant@h...> >>> >>> Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM >>> Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >>> >>> >>> > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, >>> > should be strengthened for better results. >>> > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. >>> > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general >>> > significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance >> of >>> > its place of posted in natal chart. >>> > RMSharma >>> > >>> > , <siha> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hello Mr. Mohan, >>> >> >>> >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these >>> > obstructions >>> >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or >> separations. >>> >> >>> >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a >> functional >>> > benefic, >>> >> should be strengthened for better results. >>> >> >>> >> Best wishes, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - >>> >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> >>> >> >>> >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM >>> >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies >> this >>> > house, >>> >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other >> confirmations. >>> >> > >>> >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to >> sons >>> > and >>> >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. >>> >> > >>> >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as >> indication >>> > of >>> >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of >> seperation >>> >> > from spouse in hour of need. >>> >> > >>> >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs >>> > with >>> >> > the lover walking away first. >>> >> > >>> >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, >> the >>> > native >>> >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect >> on >>> > the >>> >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native >> will be >>> >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. >>> >> > >>> >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, >> in >>> > view >>> >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, >>> > lots of >>> >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. >>> >> > >>> >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal >> takes >>> > the >>> >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital >> affair, >>> > if >>> >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an >>> > Arudha >>> >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the >> above, the >>> >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) >>> >> > >>> >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. >>> >> > >>> >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to >>> > throw >>> >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. >>> >> > >>> >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or >> confirm >>> > them too. >>> >> > >>> >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda >>> >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, >>> > conduct a >>> >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. >>> >> > >>> >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Kishore patnaik >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Dear Sir, Any planet(FB) placed in a specific house apart from having a say in its own MT and general significations would affect the factors of that house? In case the planet is strengthened not only would it protect its MT and general significations but I'm assuming that the house in which it is placed would also recieve its benefic influence...? So if the house is a dushtana(6,8,12) then would the negative qualities of that house be reduced to a certain extent due to the strengthening of the planet(FB) placed there...? especially if that planet happens to be on the MEP of that house? Just one more clarification...a planet in the 8th becomes weak unless it is its own moolatrikona house...am I right? So for a cancer ascendant Saturn on the MEP of the eighth house would not make it weak...right? Would it be considered as afflicting the 8th house since it is on the MEP? Thanks and regards, PNR , <siha> wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Kishore, > > A planet in the eighth house becomes weak and it causes problems to its MT > sign house significations and its general significations. I recommend > strengthening of this planet and propitiatory remedies if any functional > malefic is afflicting the planet in question or the MEP of its house. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > - > " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> > > Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:34 PM > Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > > > > > Dear choudhryji, > > > > > > What you have said is right in general terms. But I have raised a > > speicific querry. The classical writers are unanimous in saying > > that the 7th Lord in eighth(except for ascendants of Cancer) is not > > a desirable place to be in, resulting in limited and miserable > > conjugal life. > > > > Most of them have pointed towards seperation. In my post, I have > > tried to find the fundamental reason for such misery and seperation- > > which seems to be 'betrayal'. Betrayal as I said need not point to > > extra marital relations but could be of general nature also. > > > > > > Now, my question is if you see a native with such position, what > > are the remedies you are going to suggest? > > > > It is indeed a tough question though I have suggested two obvious > > ways out- reading sundara kanda or having (real or mock) marriage > > during an akash tithi represent union and work against seperation, > > by betrayal or otherwise. > > > > It is heartening to receive several mails, mostly from natives, > > confirming my observation from their natal charts. Interestingly, an > > elderly gentle man has written to me that he had been ditched by his > > colleagues and I noticed his 10th Lord is placed in 8th! > > > > I hope there are more specific replies to my querry than the general > > type of answer given by you. > > > > HOpe to hear from the Learned Group Members, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > , <siha> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hello Mr. Sharma, > >> > >> By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its MT > > sign house > >> and its general significations and not of the house of its > > placement. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - > >> " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant@h...> > >> > >> Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM > >> Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > >> > >> > >> > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional benefic, > >> > should be strengthened for better results. > >> > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the native. > >> > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general > >> > significance,significance of its MT sign house and significance > > of > >> > its place of posted in natal chart. > >> > RMSharma > >> > > >> > , <siha> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hello Mr. Mohan, > >> >> > >> >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and these > >> > obstructions > >> >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or > > separations. > >> >> > >> >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a > > functional > >> > benefic, > >> >> should be strengthened for better results. > >> >> > >> >> Best wishes, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> - > >> >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> > >> >> > >> >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM > >> >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies > > this > >> > house, > >> >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other > > confirmations. > >> >> > > >> >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to > > sons > >> > and > >> >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. > >> >> > > >> >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as > > indication > >> > of > >> >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of > > seperation > >> >> > from spouse in hour of need. > >> >> > > >> >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love affairs > >> > with > >> >> > the lover walking away first. > >> >> > > >> >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, > > the > >> > native > >> >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more effect > > on > >> > the > >> >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native > > will be > >> >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the situation. > >> >> > > >> >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the native, > > in > >> > view > >> >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or atleast, > >> > lots of > >> >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. > >> >> > > >> >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal > > takes > >> > the > >> >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital > > affair, > >> > if > >> >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is an > >> > Arudha > >> >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the > > above, the > >> >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) > >> >> > > >> >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above comments. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group to > >> > throw > >> >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. > >> >> > > >> >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or > > confirm > >> > them too. > >> >> > > >> >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda > >> >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, > >> > conduct a > >> >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. > >> >> > > >> >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Kishore patnaik > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Hello PNR, I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes, - " pnr312 " <pnr312 Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:48 AM Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies > > Dear Sir, > > Any planet(FB) placed in a specific house apart from having a say in > its own MT and general significations would affect the factors of > that house? RIGHT. In case the planet is strengthened not only would it > protect its MT and general significations but I'm assuming that the > house in which it is placed would also recieve its benefic > influence...? YES, IF IT IS NEAR MEP. > So if the house is a dushtana(6,8,12) then would the negative > qualities of that house be reduced to a certain extent due to the > strengthening of the planet(FB) placed there...? especially if that > planet happens to be on the MEP of that house? > YES. > Just one more clarification...a planet in the 8th becomes weak > unless it is its own moolatrikona house...am I right? RIGHT. > So for a cancer ascendant Saturn on the MEP of the eighth house > would not make it weak...right? RIGHT. > Would it be considered as afflicting the 8th house since it is on > the MEP? > NO. > Thanks and regards, > PNR > > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mr. Kishore, >> >> A planet in the eighth house becomes weak and it causes problems > to its MT >> sign house significations and its general significations. I > recommend >> strengthening of this planet and propitiatory remedies if any > functional >> malefic is afflicting the planet in question or the MEP of its > house. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> >> >> Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:34 PM >> Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> > >> > Dear choudhryji, >> > >> > >> > What you have said is right in general terms. But I have raised a >> > speicific querry. The classical writers are unanimous in saying >> > that the 7th Lord in eighth(except for ascendants of Cancer) is > not >> > a desirable place to be in, resulting in limited and miserable >> > conjugal life. >> > >> > Most of them have pointed towards seperation. In my post, I have >> > tried to find the fundamental reason for such misery and > seperation- >> > which seems to be 'betrayal'. Betrayal as I said need not point > to >> > extra marital relations but could be of general nature also. >> > >> > >> > Now, my question is if you see a native with such position, what >> > are the remedies you are going to suggest? >> > >> > It is indeed a tough question though I have suggested two obvious >> > ways out- reading sundara kanda or having (real or mock) > marriage >> > during an akash tithi represent union and work against > seperation, >> > by betrayal or otherwise. >> > >> > It is heartening to receive several mails, mostly from natives, >> > confirming my observation from their natal charts. > Interestingly, an >> > elderly gentle man has written to me that he had been ditched by > his >> > colleagues and I noticed his 10th Lord is placed in 8th! >> > >> > I hope there are more specific replies to my querry than the > general >> > type of answer given by you. >> > >> > HOpe to hear from the Learned Group Members, >> > >> > Kishore patnaik >> > >> > >> > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Mr. Sharma, >> >> >> >> By strengthening a planet we enhance the significations of its > MT >> > sign house >> >> and its general significations and not of the house of its >> > placement. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> " r_m_sharma " <ram_dishant@h...> >> >> >> >> Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 PM >> >> Re: Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> >> >> >> > the planet placed in the eighth house, if a functional > benefic, >> >> > should be strengthened for better results. >> >> > Will it not increase the melefic effects of 8th H for the > native. >> >> > By strengthening a planets we hope to strength its general >> >> > significance,significance of its MT sign house and > significance >> > of >> >> > its place of posted in natal chart. >> >> > RMSharma >> >> > >> >> > , <siha> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Mr. Mohan, >> >> >> >> >> >> Planets placed in the eighth house face obstructions and > these >> >> > obstructions >> >> >> can be on any account including betrayal or delays or >> > separations. >> >> >> >> >> >> In my view the planet placed in the eighth house, if a >> > functional >> >> > benefic, >> >> >> should be strengthened for better results. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> >> " kishore mohan " <kishore_future@i...> >> >> >> >> >> >> Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:21 PM >> >> >> Seventh Lord in eighth House-remedies >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The eighth house represents betrayal. If a planet occupies >> > this >> >> > house, >> >> >> > usually it can point to betrayal subject to other >> > confirmations. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If this planet is the 5th Lord, then the betrayal is due to >> > sons >> >> > and >> >> >> > if it is 7th Lord, the betrayal is from spouse. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > However, this betrayal from spouse should not taken as >> > indication >> >> > of >> >> >> > extra marital affair but it will often take the form of >> > seperation >> >> >> > from spouse in hour of need. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It also indicates failures and disappointments in love > affairs >> >> > with >> >> >> > the lover walking away first. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > For those born in punya tithis such as panchami and dasami, >> > the >> >> > native >> >> >> > ruled by vayu tatwa and not only saturn will have more > effect >> > on >> >> > the >> >> >> > native-there by creating some confusion- but also, native >> > will be >> >> >> > 'weightless' like air and can not be commanding the > situation. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Ironically, the spouse will have much respect for the > native, >> > in >> >> > view >> >> >> > of the sacredness of the tithi, yet the seperation or > atleast, >> >> > lots of >> >> >> > hot air on the domestic front can be predicted. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Of course, there is a high possibility that this betrayal >> > takes >> >> > the >> >> >> > form of infidelity and the spouse having an extra marital >> > affair, >> >> > if >> >> >> > the natal Venus of the spouse is in scorpio and scorpio is > an >> >> > Arudha >> >> >> > house. ( it is more or less confirmed if apart from the >> > above, the >> >> >> > spouse was born in a punya tithi.) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I hope the gurujan on this group agree with my above > comments. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now, I request the senior and learned members of the group > to >> >> > throw >> >> >> > light on remedies against the 'betrayal' of the spouse. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I have two suggestions. The group may kindly condemn or >> > confirm >> >> > them too. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 1. Visit Hanuman temple regularly and read Sundara Kanda >> >> >> > 2. Ensure that marriage occurs in an akash tithi or if not, >> >> > conduct a >> >> >> > mock marriage later on a suitabe akash tithi. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I hope the respected members of the forum respond. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Kishore patnaik >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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