Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Dear Mr. Sanat Kumar, Thanks for your advise. I believe in the fact that if a person doesnt do his/her karma, he cant achieve anything on this universe...as said by Lord Krishna... Now, I dont know whether you believe in GOD also or not, but I do. If astrology is a myth according to you, how could someone predict many things related to my future when I was just 10 years old... How can things change after doing a puja for a particular planet... How can mantras effect?? I used to chanted 'Banglamukh mantra' for several days and I started getting dreams which used to come true in 3-4 days....any explaination for it... I am an engineer and still believe in these things, just because I have experienced them....the only thing is that there are very less people who know this science... And if u believe something that doesnt mean that everyone will believe the same.... Nice way to market you book... Parul sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain wrote: To, parul sharma booxer999 Dear Ms. Sharma, Hi, Received you email through network and noted your query regarding Vipreet Raj Yog. I hope you are very much impressed with the astrology and that’s why raised such a query. Do you think that without doing anything and without improving our own self-confidence, qualification, experience, hard work etc., one may get success only on the basis of stars in horoscope. I think you may be lured with the advertisements in media, which have only one point target to do business. It is generally presumed and spread by astrologers that astrology is a science and every event happening in our life is only due to effect of planets, which can be forecasted with the help of above mentioned astrological principles. Due to our inner sub-conscious feelings and faith towards astrology we are forced to believe it and proceed in the +ve or –ve direction, as forecasted by astrologers. If you have science background then you must independently try to understand scientifically as to whether astrology is correct or not. You must raise following questions to some astrologers as to : 1 What procedure was adopted to allot twelve signs among seven planets (as Mars is lord of Aries, Scorpio etc.) ? 2 What procedure was adopted to decide that there is enmity and friendship between some planets (as Sun and Saturn are enemy of each other) ? 3 What procedure was adopted to decide various aspect (full, quarter to full, half and quarter), (as planets have full aspect on seventh house) ? 4 What procedure was adopted to decide that planets are exalted and debilitated at some degree (as Sun is exalted at 10 deg. of Aries sign) ? 5 What procedure was adopted to decide that most powerful and hub of our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha whereas Venus (a small planet) has 20 years ? 6 What procedure was adopted to allot various constellations between nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ? 7 What procedure was adopted to decide order of days of a week (Sunday, Monday etc.) ? 8 What procedure was adopted to decide fixed retrograde motion of Rahu Ketu (3-11 minute-second per day)? 9 What procedure was adopted to decide that Rahu, Ketu are 180 deg. apart ? 10 What procedure was adopted to decide timings of eclipse ? Thus there may be endless questions, with a final question as to whether present form of astrology is correct? If some one (except those who have gone through my book) gave answers to these questions then he will realise that entire astrological principles are totally based on wrong concept of Universe and present form of all astrological principles (Lord, Friendship, Aspect, Set, Retrograde, Exalted, Vinshottary, Rahu/Ketu etc.) is misalligned in view of latest scientific knowledge about the Universe and it requires complete overhauling and works only on psychology of a person, who blindly believe in astrologers without knowing much about the astrology. You belongs to new generation of 21st century hence you must have clear vision and approach towards any knowledge. Moreover, you must not only try to correctly analyse astrological principles but also try to inform your friends so that they may not be exploited by astrologer. You will surprise to know that all astrological principals were formulated on the concept that Earth is stationery, Sun is nearer to the Earth in comparison to Moon, Constellations are below Mercury and so on. In my book “Jyotish Kitna Sahi Kitna Galat” (pages 330), which has been written after study and research for 30 years, you will find quantum of mistake in every astrological principle beside method of scientific calculation of planetary impact, which may stimulate your energy with your +ve thought for achieving your goal. My Hindi book has been well appreciated by the readers, hence it is also published in English with the title “Astrology a science or myth” and will be exported. You can go ahead to have a Hindi book from the book seller of your city and if it is not available then you can inform me and I will arrange to forward a copy of the book costing Rs. 350/- to you by VPP (Postage free). I can assure you that you will not only surprise to know the basics of astrology but find that this book is an eye-opener. Hence hope you will go ahead for having this book followed by more useful interaction and mould your future according to your wisdom and save yourself, family and friends from falling in this trap. If you are interested to know more about the research and book then please write with postal address. Hope to hear soon from you with more self-confidence to have more vibrant discussion. Thanks, Sanat Kumar Jain 2, Wagle’s Bada Bombay Bakery Dal Bazar, Gwalior - 474 009 Ph. 0751-2626868 Email - sanatkumar_jain Date - 15-9-2005 India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 May God Bless u. Its very strange how you are imposing ur ideology on others and making people believe that astrology is a myth. U seem to think that u only think logically and others are fool... and how dare u comment about my social background, when ur words speak the background u belong to. and being an engineer doesnt mean i shouldnt believe in astrology... And dont write unwanted mails to me,henceforth..... siha sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain wrote: To, parul sharma booxer999 Dear Ms. Sharma, Hi, Received you email, thanks for your comments. I will like to say that though you are Engineer but sorry to say that you do not have a logical approach towards astrology. This is due to social background in which you are brought up. Because what we were informed time and again that our sages had “Divya Drasti”. (Though they were not able to detect any thing about the Solar system) has permanent imprint on our mind. Thus it is really difficult to understand some thing without this mindset. You have intermingled many item with astrology i.e. God, prediction, puja, Mantra, few people know this “science” etc. I am very pointed towards astrology and do not mixing it with other items. If you have a scientific approach then instead of blindly following any thing you must have independent thought to understand a thing logically. If it is science then you must also know the information and procedure adopted to formulate various principles only then you can realise the content of mistake. Because every scientific theory is supported by such information. If few people are so well versed with this science than why don’t they come forward to have a vibrant discussion instead of cheating some innocent persons. If there would have been a single person then status of whole world would have been changed. What happened to Vajpai in election, murder of Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi and what not would have been detected by that person and would have been averted by some means well known to that person. Secondly, any incident is not independent i.e. which can be isolated from other happenings. Thus if you try to modify your destiny (which can be detected by ‘very less people who know this “science”...’ according to you) by whatever means than it will have a cascading effect on every surrounding happening. Above fact may be clear from the example of an event. Suppose a renowned astrologer has predicted after consulting horoscope of an individual and after implementing all other related astrological principles that on a particular day, leg of individual will be amputate in an accident. Now that individual has only two options. Firstly, he may wait till that date when his leg will be amputate, believing that destiny is fixed and weaken his will power due to mental worries; and it may also be possible that in such a weak and worried mental status, he may be victim of any accident nearly that date. As an other option he may try to avert this accident by following the advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. In both these above situations if there would be even a minor accident near about that date then quite naturally it will be concluded that forecast was correct and destiny is fixed and no body can change it. Now from the above explanation it can be concluded that every incident is pre-decided and no body is in a position to change it. In this situation what is the propriety of virtuous or sinful work. Because virtuous or sinful action were it-self pre-decided. In this situation what is the propriety in teaching some one to abstain from sinful action. Because he is neither performing any virtuous action nor any sinful action but he is simply following the track of pre-decided destiny and he is neither eligible nor supposed to use his intellect or knowledge for performing any action. Now, it is a very strange situation, as firstly some one may be forced to do some sinful act by following so-called fixed destiny and thereafter, he may be punished for that sinful act. Beside this, description of virtuous act of some one else may be praised in front of him in the hope that he will also follow the correct path and it is also expected from him to do some virtuous act. Whereas that poor fellow is not involve in any sinful act, because every incident is pre-decided, which may be decoded and forecasted by the astrologer from the horoscope and he is only performing his part according to the pre-decided script, like an actor of a film. In this situation he is neither supposed to use his skill, wisdom nor he is required to worry nor there is a need to know about the future because whatever is pre-decided would automatically happen. In other situation, if that individual followed the advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. to avoid the amputation of leg in an accident and subsequently there was no such accident. In this situation too that individual would not only have a complete and unquestionable faith on the forecast of the astrologer but he would also be mentally moulded to have a faith on the effect of the gem etc. and will have a firm opinion that any fixed incident of future may be changed or amended by following the advise of the astrologer like averting his own accident and he would be trapped in this swirl for rest of his life. Now-a-days almost everybody is suffering from this mentality and no body has a vision for thinking logically or scientifically beyond this point. Whereas, when the astrologer forecasted from the fixed destiny about the amputation of leg in an accident of an individual on the basis of primitive astrological principles than this incident was not isolated but future of many persons was linked with this accident. Because any incident can never be isolated and it is always linked with a chain of incidents. Thus, when amputation of the leg was decided in the fixed destiny of the individual then in continuation of this incident it was also decided in the future of an auto-rikshaw driver that after this accident that poor auto-rikshaw driver who would have not earned a rupee would be awarded after taking him to hospital and subsequently, it was also decided in the future of the dying mother of that driver that she would be saved from the medicines purchased from this income. But that individual modified his fixed destiny on the advice of the astrologer by wearing a costly ring etc. Thus neither there was an accident, nor auto-rikshaw driver took him to the hospital, nor he was awarded, nor he could purchase the medicine for his dying mother and ultimately his mother died. In this way old mother of auto-rikshaw driver who was destined to survive after taking medicine purchased from the awarded money was actually died due to minor modification in the predicted fixed destiny of the individual by using gem, ring, spell etc. We may continue to add many more persons in the above incident, whose fixed destiny was also changed. In this way all linked incident and linked incident of linked incident would also be changed after averting or slightly changing any favourable or unfavourable fixed destiny and a person who was not even remotely connected would be effected as old mother of driver in the above example. Just imagine if every Tom, Dick and Harry may be able to modify that so-called fixed destiny then the volume of destiny of entire world will be a mess and then what would happen to that so-called prediction, which was based on original destiny and assessed by a learned astrologer from the horoscope. In this way the concept of fixed destiny is only a psychological defensive tool for consolation for the persons having weak will-power or unsuccessful or who are facing opposite situations. But if we try to understand the reasoning of development of astrology and basic idea of the sages and then try to improve the astrological principles in view of latest knowledge of solar system and Universe by estimating the impact of the planet then we will definitely be able to calculate the impact, and can be able to take benefit of that impact in our favour. Most important factor required for this is that our mentality must be logical, modern instead of orthodox; and action oriented, intellect instead of believer of fixed destiny, only then we can carve out our future according to our desire and also create some destiny for next birth in accordance with our good deeds in this life. If you logically and with open mind tries to analyse above paras then you may find explanation of all questions raised in your email. Now I left it to your wisdom. But in last I will also like to inform that my email is not a “Nice way to market you book...” according to you, as book selling is not my job, because it is the job of the publisher and distributor. What I want that public and specifically new generation must not follow anything without analysing it from all angles and that too when they have opportunity to understand and capability to analyse it. Reference of book was only given to convey that I am not saying anything without any substance and hollowness of astrological principles is fully explained in the book, which can not be published by any publisher without any reason or substantial explanation. May God help you, Sanat India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Hello Ms Parul Sharma, You have received a message from Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain and therefore you should only send your message to him and not to the list. Best wishes, - " parul sharma " <booxer999 " sanatkumar jain " <sanatkumar_jain Cc: <lalkitabremedies >; <bhooshanpriya; ; <siha; <amitj_69 Friday, September 23, 2005 4:40 PM Re: Astrology a science or myth May God Bless u. Its very strange how you are imposing ur ideology on others and making people believe that astrology is a myth. U seem to think that u only think logically and others are fool... and how dare u comment about my social background, when ur words speak the background u belong to. and being an engineer doesnt mean i shouldnt believe in astrology... And dont write unwanted mails to me,henceforth..... siha sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain wrote: To, parul sharma booxer999 Dear Ms. Sharma, Hi, Received you email, thanks for your comments. I will like to say that though you are Engineer but sorry to say that you do not have a logical approach towards astrology. This is due to social background in which you are brought up. Because what we were informed time and again that our sages had " Divya Drasti " . (Though they were not able to detect any thing about the Solar system) has permanent imprint on our mind. Thus it is really difficult to understand some thing without this mindset. You have intermingled many item with astrology i.e. God, prediction, puja, Mantra, few people know this " science " etc. I am very pointed towards astrology and do not mixing it with other items. If you have a scientific approach then instead of blindly following any thing you must have independent thought to understand a thing logically. If it is science then you must also know the information and procedure adopted to formulate various principles only then you can realise the content of mistake. Because every scientific theory is supported by such information. If few people are so well versed with this science than why don't they come forward to have a vibrant discussion instead of cheating some innocent persons. If there would have been a single person then status of whole world would have been changed. What happened to Vajpai in election, murder of Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi and what not would have been detected by that person and would have been averted by some means well known to that person. Secondly, any incident is not independent i.e. which can be isolated from other happenings. Thus if you try to modify your destiny (which can be detected by 'very less people who know this " science " ...' according to you) by whatever means than it will have a cascading effect on every surrounding happening. Above fact may be clear from the example of an event. Suppose a renowned astrologer has predicted after consulting horoscope of an individual and after implementing all other related astrological principles that on a particular day, leg of individual will be amputate in an accident. Now that individual has only two options. Firstly, he may wait till that date when his leg will be amputate, believing that destiny is fixed and weaken his will power due to mental worries; and it may also be possible that in such a weak and worried mental status, he may be victim of any accident nearly that date. As an other option he may try to avert this accident by following the advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. In both these above situations if there would be even a minor accident near about that date then quite naturally it will be concluded that forecast was correct and destiny is fixed and no body can change it. Now from the above explanation it can be concluded that every incident is pre-decided and no body is in a position to change it. In this situation what is the propriety of virtuous or sinful work. Because virtuous or sinful action were it-self pre-decided. In this situation what is the propriety in teaching some one to abstain from sinful action. Because he is neither performing any virtuous action nor any sinful action but he is simply following the track of pre-decided destiny and he is neither eligible nor supposed to use his intellect or knowledge for performing any action. Now, it is a very strange situation, as firstly some one may be forced to do some sinful act by following so-called fixed destiny and thereafter, he may be punished for that sinful act. Beside this, description of virtuous act of some one else may be praised in front of him in the hope that he will also follow the correct path and it is also expected from him to do some virtuous act. Whereas that poor fellow is not involve in any sinful act, because every incident is pre-decided, which may be decoded and forecasted by the astrologer from the horoscope and he is only performing his part according to the pre-decided script, like an actor of a film. In this situation he is neither supposed to use his skill, wisdom nor he is required to worry nor there is a need to know about the future because whatever is pre-decided would automatically happen. In other situation, if that individual followed the advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. to avoid the amputation of leg in an accident and subsequently there was no such accident. In this situation too that individual would not only have a complete and unquestionable faith on the forecast of the astrologer but he would also be mentally moulded to have a faith on the effect of the gem etc. and will have a firm opinion that any fixed incident of future may be changed or amended by following the advise of the astrologer like averting his own accident and he would be trapped in this swirl for rest of his life. Now-a-days almost everybody is suffering from this mentality and no body has a vision for thinking logically or scientifically beyond this point. Whereas, when the astrologer forecasted from the fixed destiny about the amputation of leg in an accident of an individual on the basis of primitive astrological principles than this incident was not isolated but future of many persons was linked with this accident. Because any incident can never be isolated and it is always linked with a chain of incidents. Thus, when amputation of the leg was decided in the fixed destiny of the individual then in continuation of this incident it was also decided in the future of an auto-rikshaw driver that after this accident that poor auto-rikshaw driver who would have not earned a rupee would be awarded after taking him to hospital and subsequently, it was also decided in the future of the dying mother of that driver that she would be saved from the medicines purchased from this income. But that individual modified his fixed destiny on the advice of the astrologer by wearing a costly ring etc. Thus neither there was an accident, nor auto-rikshaw driver took him to the hospital, nor he was awarded, nor he could purchase the medicine for his dying mother and ultimately his mother died. In this way old mother of auto-rikshaw driver who was destined to survive after taking medicine purchased from the awarded money was actually died due to minor modification in the predicted fixed destiny of the individual by using gem, ring, spell etc. We may continue to add many more persons in the above incident, whose fixed destiny was also changed. In this way all linked incident and linked incident of linked incident would also be changed after averting or slightly changing any favourable or unfavourable fixed destiny and a person who was not even remotely connected would be effected as old mother of driver in the above example. Just imagine if every Tom, Dick and Harry may be able to modify that so-called fixed destiny then the volume of destiny of entire world will be a mess and then what would happen to that so-called prediction, which was based on original destiny and assessed by a learned astrologer from the horoscope. In this way the concept of fixed destiny is only a psychological defensive tool for consolation for the persons having weak will-power or unsuccessful or who are facing opposite situations. But if we try to understand the reasoning of development of astrology and basic idea of the sages and then try to improve the astrological principles in view of latest knowledge of solar system and Universe by estimating the impact of the planet then we will definitely be able to calculate the impact, and can be able to take benefit of that impact in our favour. Most important factor required for this is that our mentality must be logical, modern instead of orthodox; and action oriented, intellect instead of believer of fixed destiny, only then we can carve out our future according to our desire and also create some destiny for next birth in accordance with our good deeds in this life. If you logically and with open mind tries to analyse above paras then you may find explanation of all questions raised in your email. Now I left it to your wisdom. But in last I will also like to inform that my email is not a " Nice way to market you book... " according to you, as book selling is not my job, because it is the job of the publisher and distributor. What I want that public and specifically new generation must not follow anything without analysing it from all angles and that too when they have opportunity to understand and capability to analyse it. Reference of book was only given to convey that I am not saying anything without any substance and hollowness of astrological principles is fully explained in the book, which can not be published by any publisher without any reason or substantial explanation. May God help you, Sanat India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 I dont know this person, he is supposed to got my id from the group only, hence i mailed it to the group.... siha wrote: Hello Ms Parul Sharma, You have received a message from Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain and therefore you should only send your message to him and not to the list. Best wishes, - " parul sharma " <booxer999 " sanatkumar jain " <sanatkumar_jain Cc: <lalkitabremedies >; <bhooshanpriya; ; <siha; <amitj_69 Friday, September 23, 2005 4:40 PM Re: Astrology a science or myth May God Bless u. Its very strange how you are imposing ur ideology on others and making people believe that astrology is a myth. U seem to think that u only think logically and others are fool... and how dare u comment about my social background, when ur words speak the background u belong to. and being an engineer doesnt mean i shouldnt believe in astrology... And dont write unwanted mails to me,henceforth..... siha sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain wrote: To, parul sharma booxer999 Dear Ms. Sharma, Hi, Received you email, thanks for your comments. I will like to say that though you are Engineer but sorry to say that you do not have a logical approach towards astrology. This is due to social background in which you are brought up. Because what we were informed time and again that our sages had " Divya Drasti " . (Though they were not able to detect any thing about the Solar system) has permanent imprint on our mind. Thus it is really difficult to understand some thing without this mindset. You have intermingled many item with astrology i.e. God, prediction, puja, Mantra, few people know this " science " etc. I am very pointed towards astrology and do not mixing it with other items. If you have a scientific approach then instead of blindly following any thing you must have independent thought to understand a thing logically. If it is science then you must also know the information and procedure adopted to formulate various principles only then you can realise the content of mistake. Because every scientific theory is supported by such information. If few people are so well versed with this science than why don't they come forward to have a vibrant discussion instead of cheating some innocent persons. If there would have been a single person then status of whole world would have been changed. What happened to Vajpai in election, murder of Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi and what not would have been detected by that person and would have been averted by some means well known to that person. Secondly, any incident is not independent i.e. which can be isolated from other happenings. Thus if you try to modify your destiny (which can be detected by 'very less people who know this " science " ...' according to you) by whatever means than it will have a cascading effect on every surrounding happening. Above fact may be clear from the example of an event. Suppose a renowned astrologer has predicted after consulting horoscope of an individual and after implementing all other related astrological principles that on a particular day, leg of individual will be amputate in an accident. Now that individual has only two options. Firstly, he may wait till that date when his leg will be amputate, believing that destiny is fixed and weaken his will power due to mental worries; and it may also be possible that in such a weak and worried mental status, he may be victim of any accident nearly that date. As an other option he may try to avert this accident by following the advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. In both these above situations if there would be even a minor accident near about that date then quite naturally it will be concluded that forecast was correct and destiny is fixed and no body can change it. Now from the above explanation it can be concluded that every incident is pre-decided and no body is in a position to change it. In this situation what is the propriety of virtuous or sinful work. Because virtuous or sinful action were it-self pre-decided. In this situation what is the propriety in teaching some one to abstain from sinful action. Because he is neither performing any virtuous action nor any sinful action but he is simply following the track of pre-decided destiny and he is neither eligible nor supposed to use his intellect or knowledge for performing any action. Now, it is a very strange situation, as firstly some one may be forced to do some sinful act by following so-called fixed destiny and thereafter, he may be punished for that sinful act. Beside this, description of virtuous act of some one else may be praised in front of him in the hope that he will also follow the correct path and it is also expected from him to do some virtuous act. Whereas that poor fellow is not involve in any sinful act, because every incident is pre-decided, which may be decoded and forecasted by the astrologer from the horoscope and he is only performing his part according to the pre-decided script, like an actor of a film. In this situation he is neither supposed to use his skill, wisdom nor he is required to worry nor there is a need to know about the future because whatever is pre-decided would automatically happen. In other situation, if that individual followed the advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. to avoid the amputation of leg in an accident and subsequently there was no such accident. In this situation too that individual would not only have a complete and unquestionable faith on the forecast of the astrologer but he would also be mentally moulded to have a faith on the effect of the gem etc. and will have a firm opinion that any fixed incident of future may be changed or amended by following the advise of the astrologer like averting his own accident and he would be trapped in this swirl for rest of his life. Now-a-days almost everybody is suffering from this mentality and no body has a vision for thinking logically or scientifically beyond this point. Whereas, when the astrologer forecasted from the fixed destiny about the amputation of leg in an accident of an individual on the basis of primitive astrological principles than this incident was not isolated but future of many persons was linked with this accident. Because any incident can never be isolated and it is always linked with a chain of incidents. Thus, when amputation of the leg was decided in the fixed destiny of the individual then in continuation of this incident it was also decided in the future of an auto-rikshaw driver that after this accident that poor auto-rikshaw driver who would have not earned a rupee would be awarded after taking him to hospital and subsequently, it was also decided in the future of the dying mother of that driver that she would be saved from the medicines purchased from this income. But that individual modified his fixed destiny on the advice of the astrologer by wearing a costly ring etc. Thus neither there was an accident, nor auto-rikshaw driver took him to the hospital, nor he was awarded, nor he could purchase the medicine for his dying mother and ultimately his mother died. In this way old mother of auto-rikshaw driver who was destined to survive after taking medicine purchased from the awarded money was actually died due to minor modification in the predicted fixed destiny of the individual by using gem, ring, spell etc. We may continue to add many more persons in the above incident, whose fixed destiny was also changed. In this way all linked incident and linked incident of linked incident would also be changed after averting or slightly changing any favourable or unfavourable fixed destiny and a person who was not even remotely connected would be effected as old mother of driver in the above example. Just imagine if every Tom, Dick and Harry may be able to modify that so-called fixed destiny then the volume of destiny of entire world will be a mess and then what would happen to that so-called prediction, which was based on original destiny and assessed by a learned astrologer from the horoscope. In this way the concept of fixed destiny is only a psychological defensive tool for consolation for the persons having weak will-power or unsuccessful or who are facing opposite situations. But if we try to understand the reasoning of development of astrology and basic idea of the sages and then try to improve the astrological principles in view of latest knowledge of solar system and Universe by estimating the impact of the planet then we will definitely be able to calculate the impact, and can be able to take benefit of that impact in our favour. Most important factor required for this is that our mentality must be logical, modern instead of orthodox; and action oriented, intellect instead of believer of fixed destiny, only then we can carve out our future according to our desire and also create some destiny for next birth in accordance with our good deeds in this life. If you logically and with open mind tries to analyse above paras then you may find explanation of all questions raised in your email. Now I left it to your wisdom. But in last I will also like to inform that my email is not a " Nice way to market you book... " according to you, as book selling is not my job, because it is the job of the publisher and distributor. What I want that public and specifically new generation must not follow anything without analysing it from all angles and that too when they have opportunity to understand and capability to analyse it. Reference of book was only given to convey that I am not saying anything without any substance and hollowness of astrological principles is fully explained in the book, which can not be published by any publisher without any reason or substantial explanation. May God help you, Sanat India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Parul ji, Namaskar, Further to whar Prof. Sahib has said, I wanted to make a quick comment on this issue, with your kind permission. I have read the whole trail and the detailed write up by Shri Sanat Kumar ji. I agree with you that some distasteful comments were made. Having said that, don't you think that still there were many points raised which were logical and systematic ? I know it is difficult to sometimes ignore the piercing, attacking comments, but don't you think it would have been better to set those aside and address the logical/meaningful ones ? Wouldn't that have lead to a captivating discussion where we benefit from each other's experiences ? You see, life is very vast and there are varied experiences of people. These opinions are like smaller views people have of the same large object. Sort of like the story of the elephant and different people looking at it from different sides. One person sees the leg of the elephant and describes elephant as such.. The other sees the trunk and describes elephant as he sees.. so on and so forth.. All of them are right yet noone is completely right.. depending upon how we look at it...They all have relative truths.. Jyotish is the science of life. We as individuals have different experiences, hence our differences of opinions. The only way to grow is when we are willing to share what we know and learn from others - openly and freely. We also have to be careful not to put anyone else down or to disrespect others for the views they hold. Its great to have some compassion as well because we don't know what the other person may have experienced in their lives.. This message is not intended to start another long trail of comments.. This is just an attempt to create a little more harmony, if you like. My two cents worth.. best wishes, Anshev B. Bhardwejj , parul sharma <booxer999> wrote: > I dont know this person, he is supposed to got my id from the group only, hence i mailed it to the group.... > > siha wrote: > Hello Ms Parul Sharma, > > You have received a message from Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain and therefore you > should only send your message to him and not to the list. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " parul sharma " <booxer999> > " sanatkumar jain " <sanatkumar_jain@r...> > Cc: <lalkitabremedies >; <bhooshanpriya>; > ; <siha>; > <amitj_69> > Friday, September 23, 2005 4:40 PM > Re: Astrology a science or myth > > > > May God Bless u. > Its very strange how you are imposing ur ideology on others and making > people believe that astrology is a myth. > U seem to think that u only think logically and others are fool... > > and how dare u comment about my social background, when ur words speak the > background u belong to. > and being an engineer doesnt mean i shouldnt believe in astrology... > And dont write unwanted mails to me,henceforth..... > > > siha > sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain@r...> wrote: > > > > > To, > parul sharma > booxer999 > > Dear Ms. Sharma, > Hi, > Received you email, thanks for your comments. > I will like to say that though you are Engineer but sorry to say that you do > not have a logical approach towards astrology. This is due to social > background in which you are brought up. Because what we were informed time > and again that our sages had " Divya Drasti " . (Though they were not able to > detect any thing about the Solar system) has permanent imprint on our mind. > Thus it is really difficult to understand some thing without this mindset. > > You have intermingled many item with astrology i.e. God, prediction, puja, > Mantra, few people know this " science " etc. I am very pointed towards > astrology and do not mixing it with other items. > > If you have a scientific approach then instead of blindly following any > thing you must have independent thought to understand a thing logically. If > it is science then you must also know the information and procedure adopted > to formulate various principles only then you can realise the content of > mistake. Because every scientific theory is supported by such information. > If few people are so well versed with this science than why don't they come > forward to have a vibrant discussion instead of cheating some innocent > persons. If there would have been a single person then status of whole world > would have been changed. What happened to Vajpai in election, murder of > Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi and what not would have been detected by > that person and would have been averted by some means well known to that > person. > > Secondly, any incident is not independent i.e. which can be isolated from > other happenings. Thus if you try to modify your destiny (which can be > detected by 'very less people who know this " science " ...' according to you) > by whatever means than it will have a cascading effect on every surrounding > happening. > > Above fact may be clear from the example of an event. Suppose a renowned > astrologer has predicted after consulting horoscope of an individual and > after implementing all other related astrological principles that on a > particular day, leg of individual will be amputate in an accident. Now that > individual has only two options. Firstly, he may wait till that date when > his leg will be amputate, believing that destiny is fixed and weaken his > will power due to mental worries; and it may also be possible that in such a > weak and worried mental status, he may be victim of any accident nearly that > date. As an other option he may try to avert this accident by following the > advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. In > both these above situations if there would be even a minor accident near > about that date then quite naturally it will be concluded that forecast was > correct and destiny is fixed and no body can change it. Now from the above > explanation it can be > concluded that every incident is pre-decided and no body is in a position > to change it. In this situation what is the propriety of virtuous or sinful > work. Because virtuous or sinful action were it-self pre-decided. In this > situation what is the propriety in teaching some one to abstain from sinful > action. Because he is neither performing any virtuous action nor any sinful > action but he is simply following the track of pre-decided destiny and he is > neither eligible nor supposed to use his intellect or knowledge for > performing any action. Now, it is a very strange situation, as firstly some > one may be forced to do some sinful act by following so-called fixed destiny > and thereafter, he may be punished for that sinful act. Beside this, > description of virtuous act of some one else may be praised in front of him > in the hope that he will also follow the correct path and it is also > expected from him to do some virtuous act. Whereas that poor fellow is not > involve in any sinful act, because > every incident is pre-decided, which may be decoded and forecasted by the > astrologer from the horoscope and he is only performing his part according > to the pre-decided script, like an actor of a film. In this situation he is > neither supposed to use his skill, wisdom nor he is required to worry nor > there is a need to know about the future because whatever is pre- decided > would automatically happen. > > In other situation, if that individual followed the advise of the astrologer > and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. to avoid the amputation of > leg in an accident and subsequently there was no such accident. In this > situation too that individual would not only have a complete and > unquestionable faith on the forecast of the astrologer but he would also be > mentally moulded to have a faith on the effect of the gem etc. and will have > a firm opinion that any fixed incident of future may be changed or amended > by following the advise of the astrologer like averting his own accident and > he would be trapped in this swirl for rest of his life. Now-a-days almost > everybody is suffering from this mentality and no body has a vision for > thinking logically or scientifically beyond this point. Whereas, when the > astrologer forecasted from the fixed destiny about the amputation of leg in > an accident of an individual on the basis of primitive astrological > principles than this incident was not > isolated but future of many persons was linked with this accident. Because > any incident can never be isolated and it is always linked with a chain of > incidents. Thus, when amputation of the leg was decided in the fixed destiny > of the individual then in continuation of this incident it was also decided > in the future of an auto-rikshaw driver that after this accident that poor > auto-rikshaw driver who would have not earned a rupee would be awarded after > taking him to hospital and subsequently, it was also decided in the future > of the dying mother of that driver that she would be saved from the > medicines purchased from this income. But that individual modified his fixed > destiny on the advice of the astrologer by wearing a costly ring etc. Thus > neither there was an accident, nor auto-rikshaw driver took him to the > hospital, nor he was awarded, nor he could purchase the medicine for his > dying mother and ultimately his mother died. In this way old mother of > auto-rikshaw driver who was > destined to survive after taking medicine purchased from the awarded money > was actually died due to minor modification in the predicted fixed destiny > of the individual by using gem, ring, spell etc. We may continue to add many > more persons in the above incident, whose fixed destiny was also changed. In > this way all linked incident and linked incident of linked incident would > also be changed after averting or slightly changing any favourable or > unfavourable fixed destiny and a person who was not even remotely connected > would be effected as old mother of driver in the above example. > > Just imagine if every Tom, Dick and Harry may be able to modify that > so-called fixed destiny then the volume of destiny of entire world will be a > mess and then what would happen to that so-called prediction, which was > based on original destiny and assessed by a learned astrologer from the > horoscope. In this way the concept of fixed destiny is only a psychological > defensive tool for consolation for the persons having weak will- power or > unsuccessful or who are facing opposite situations. But if we try to > understand the reasoning of development of astrology and basic idea of the > sages and then try to improve the astrological principles in view of latest > knowledge of solar system and Universe by estimating the impact of the > planet then we will definitely be able to calculate the impact, and can be > able to take benefit of that impact in our favour. Most important factor > required for this is that our mentality must be logical, modern instead of > orthodox; and action oriented, intellect > instead of believer of fixed destiny, only then we can carve out our future > according to our desire and also create some destiny for next birth in > accordance with our good deeds in this life. > > If you logically and with open mind tries to analyse above paras then you > may find explanation of all questions raised in your email. Now I left it to > your wisdom. But in last I will also like to inform that my email is not a > " Nice way to market you book... " according to you, as book selling is not my > job, because it is the job of the publisher and distributor. What I want > that public and specifically new generation must not follow anything without > analysing it from all angles and that too when they have opportunity to > understand and capability to analyse it. Reference of book was only given to > convey that I am not saying anything without any substance and hollowness of > astrological principles is fully explained in the book, which can not be > published by any publisher without any reason or substantial explanation. > > May God help you, > > Sanat > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Hello Mr. Anshev, I think Ms Parul has already d after posting this message. Such messages are better ignored. Best wishes, - " Anshev B Bhardwejj " <anshevb Friday, September 23, 2005 8:55 PM Re: Astrology a science or myth > Dear Parul ji, > > Namaskar, > > Further to whar Prof. Sahib has said, I wanted to make a quick > comment on this issue, with your kind permission. > > I have read the whole trail and the detailed write up by Shri Sanat > Kumar ji. I agree with you that some distasteful comments were made. > Having said that, don't you think that still there were many points > raised which were logical and systematic ? > > I know it is difficult to sometimes ignore the piercing, attacking > comments, but don't you think it would have been better to set those > aside and address the logical/meaningful ones ? Wouldn't that have > lead to a captivating discussion where we benefit from each other's > experiences ? > > You see, life is very vast and there are varied experiences of > people. These opinions are like smaller views people have of the > same large object. Sort of like the story of the elephant and > different people looking at it from different sides. One person sees > the leg of the elephant and describes elephant as such.. The other > sees the trunk and describes elephant as he sees.. so on and so > forth.. All of them are right yet noone is completely right.. > depending upon how we look at it...They all have relative truths.. > > Jyotish is the science of life. We as individuals have different > experiences, hence our differences of opinions. The only way to grow > is when we are willing to share what we know and learn from others - > openly and freely. We also have to be careful not to put anyone else > down or to disrespect others for the views they hold. Its great to > have some compassion as well because we don't know what the other > person may have experienced in their lives.. > > This message is not intended to start another long trail of > comments.. This is just an attempt to create a little more harmony, > if you like. My two cents worth.. > > best wishes, > Anshev B. Bhardwejj > > > > > > > , parul sharma <booxer999> wrote: >> I dont know this person, he is supposed to got my id from the > group only, hence i mailed it to the group.... >> >> siha wrote: >> Hello Ms Parul Sharma, >> >> You have received a message from Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain and > therefore you >> should only send your message to him and not to the list. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> - >> " parul sharma " <booxer999> >> " sanatkumar jain " <sanatkumar_jain@r...> >> Cc: <lalkitabremedies >; <bhooshanpriya>; >> ; <siha>; >> <amitj_69> >> Friday, September 23, 2005 4:40 PM >> Re: Astrology a science or myth >> >> >> >> May God Bless u. >> Its very strange how you are imposing ur ideology on others and > making >> people believe that astrology is a myth. >> U seem to think that u only think logically and others are fool... >> >> and how dare u comment about my social background, when ur words > speak the >> background u belong to. >> and being an engineer doesnt mean i shouldnt believe in > astrology... >> And dont write unwanted mails to me,henceforth..... >> >> >> siha >> sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain@r...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> To, >> parul sharma >> booxer999 >> >> Dear Ms. Sharma, >> Hi, >> Received you email, thanks for your comments. >> I will like to say that though you are Engineer but sorry to say > that you do >> not have a logical approach towards astrology. This is due to > social >> background in which you are brought up. Because what we were > informed time >> and again that our sages had " Divya Drasti " . (Though they were not > able to >> detect any thing about the Solar system) has permanent imprint on > our mind. >> Thus it is really difficult to understand some thing without this > mindset. >> >> You have intermingled many item with astrology i.e. God, > prediction, puja, >> Mantra, few people know this " science " etc. I am very pointed > towards >> astrology and do not mixing it with other items. >> >> If you have a scientific approach then instead of blindly > following any >> thing you must have independent thought to understand a thing > logically. If >> it is science then you must also know the information and > procedure adopted >> to formulate various principles only then you can realise the > content of >> mistake. Because every scientific theory is supported by such > information. >> If few people are so well versed with this science than why don't > they come >> forward to have a vibrant discussion instead of cheating some > innocent >> persons. If there would have been a single person then status of > whole world >> would have been changed. What happened to Vajpai in election, > murder of >> Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi and what not would have been > detected by >> that person and would have been averted by some means well known > to that >> person. >> >> Secondly, any incident is not independent i.e. which can be > isolated from >> other happenings. Thus if you try to modify your destiny (which > can be >> detected by 'very less people who know this " science " ...' > according to you) >> by whatever means than it will have a cascading effect on every > surrounding >> happening. >> >> Above fact may be clear from the example of an event. Suppose a > renowned >> astrologer has predicted after consulting horoscope of an > individual and >> after implementing all other related astrological principles that > on a >> particular day, leg of individual will be amputate in an accident. > Now that >> individual has only two options. Firstly, he may wait till that > date when >> his leg will be amputate, believing that destiny is fixed and > weaken his >> will power due to mental worries; and it may also be possible that > in such a >> weak and worried mental status, he may be victim of any accident > nearly that >> date. As an other option he may try to avert this accident by > following the >> advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell > etc. In >> both these above situations if there would be even a minor > accident near >> about that date then quite naturally it will be concluded that > forecast was >> correct and destiny is fixed and no body can change it. Now from > the above >> explanation it can be >> concluded that every incident is pre-decided and no body is in a > position >> to change it. In this situation what is the propriety of virtuous > or sinful >> work. Because virtuous or sinful action were it-self pre-decided. > In this >> situation what is the propriety in teaching some one to abstain > from sinful >> action. Because he is neither performing any virtuous action nor > any sinful >> action but he is simply following the track of pre-decided destiny > and he is >> neither eligible nor supposed to use his intellect or knowledge > for >> performing any action. Now, it is a very strange situation, as > firstly some >> one may be forced to do some sinful act by following so-called > fixed destiny >> and thereafter, he may be punished for that sinful act. Beside > this, >> description of virtuous act of some one else may be praised in > front of him >> in the hope that he will also follow the correct path and it is > also >> expected from him to do some virtuous act. Whereas that poor > fellow is not >> involve in any sinful act, because >> every incident is pre-decided, which may be decoded and forecasted > by the >> astrologer from the horoscope and he is only performing his part > according >> to the pre-decided script, like an actor of a film. In this > situation he is >> neither supposed to use his skill, wisdom nor he is required to > worry nor >> there is a need to know about the future because whatever is pre- > decided >> would automatically happen. >> >> In other situation, if that individual followed the advise of the > astrologer >> and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. to avoid the > amputation of >> leg in an accident and subsequently there was no such accident. In > this >> situation too that individual would not only have a complete and >> unquestionable faith on the forecast of the astrologer but he > would also be >> mentally moulded to have a faith on the effect of the gem etc. and > will have >> a firm opinion that any fixed incident of future may be changed or > amended >> by following the advise of the astrologer like averting his own > accident and >> he would be trapped in this swirl for rest of his life. Now-a-days > almost >> everybody is suffering from this mentality and no body has a > vision for >> thinking logically or scientifically beyond this point. Whereas, > when the >> astrologer forecasted from the fixed destiny about the amputation > of leg in >> an accident of an individual on the basis of primitive > astrological >> principles than this incident was not >> isolated but future of many persons was linked with this accident. > Because >> any incident can never be isolated and it is always linked with a > chain of >> incidents. Thus, when amputation of the leg was decided in the > fixed destiny >> of the individual then in continuation of this incident it was > also decided >> in the future of an auto-rikshaw driver that after this accident > that poor >> auto-rikshaw driver who would have not earned a rupee would be > awarded after >> taking him to hospital and subsequently, it was also decided in > the future >> of the dying mother of that driver that she would be saved from > the >> medicines purchased from this income. But that individual modified > his fixed >> destiny on the advice of the astrologer by wearing a costly ring > etc. Thus >> neither there was an accident, nor auto-rikshaw driver took him to > the >> hospital, nor he was awarded, nor he could purchase the medicine > for his >> dying mother and ultimately his mother died. In this way old > mother of >> auto-rikshaw driver who was >> destined to survive after taking medicine purchased from the > awarded money >> was actually died due to minor modification in the predicted fixed > destiny >> of the individual by using gem, ring, spell etc. We may continue > to add many >> more persons in the above incident, whose fixed destiny was also > changed. In >> this way all linked incident and linked incident of linked > incident would >> also be changed after averting or slightly changing any favourable > or >> unfavourable fixed destiny and a person who was not even remotely > connected >> would be effected as old mother of driver in the above example. >> >> Just imagine if every Tom, Dick and Harry may be able to modify > that >> so-called fixed destiny then the volume of destiny of entire world > will be a >> mess and then what would happen to that so-called prediction, > which was >> based on original destiny and assessed by a learned astrologer > from the >> horoscope. In this way the concept of fixed destiny is only a > psychological >> defensive tool for consolation for the persons having weak will- > power or >> unsuccessful or who are facing opposite situations. But if we try > to >> understand the reasoning of development of astrology and basic > idea of the >> sages and then try to improve the astrological principles in view > of latest >> knowledge of solar system and Universe by estimating the impact of > the >> planet then we will definitely be able to calculate the impact, > and can be >> able to take benefit of that impact in our favour. Most important > factor >> required for this is that our mentality must be logical, modern > instead of >> orthodox; and action oriented, intellect >> instead of believer of fixed destiny, only then we can carve out > our future >> according to our desire and also create some destiny for next > birth in >> accordance with our good deeds in this life. >> >> If you logically and with open mind tries to analyse above paras > then you >> may find explanation of all questions raised in your email. Now I > left it to >> your wisdom. But in last I will also like to inform that my email > is not a >> " Nice way to market you book... " according to you, as book selling > is not my >> job, because it is the job of the publisher and distributor. What > I want >> that public and specifically new generation must not follow > anything without >> analysing it from all angles and that too when they have > opportunity to >> understand and capability to analyse it. Reference of book was > only given to >> convey that I am not saying anything without any substance and > hollowness of >> astrological principles is fully explained in the book, which can > not be >> published by any publisher without any reason or substantial > explanation. >> >> May God help you, >> >> Sanat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> India Matrimony: Find your partner online. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Mr Anshev, Though I know this is not in the realm of this list for such a discussion I just could not resist adding my two cents worth. Not that I want to spark a discussion trail about this but at the outset I'd like to say how much I appreciate your thought. All of us on this list being students of astrology or already seasoned astrologers should have the open attitude of asking questions or being questioned. After all hasn't science evolved out of questioning? The fantastic inventions and discoveries of the modern world would not have been possible but for this and if we are all in agreement that astrology is a science then questioning is an integral part of its development. All we have to realise here is some people are in a good frame of mind to receive our answers and some people are not. But we cannot thwart the questions because of this and explain we must. Unless of course the questions deviate from the subject and become personal and obnoxious. Anyway enough said about this and lets get on with our quest of learning/practising SA with the right attitude!!--- Regards, PNR In , " Anshev B Bhardwejj " <anshevb> wrote: > Dear Parul ji, > > Namaskar, > > Further to whar Prof. Sahib has said, I wanted to make a quick > comment on this issue, with your kind permission. > > I have read the whole trail and the detailed write up by Shri Sanat > Kumar ji. I agree with you that some distasteful comments were made. > Having said that, don't you think that still there were many points > raised which were logical and systematic ? > > I know it is difficult to sometimes ignore the piercing, attacking > comments, but don't you think it would have been better to set those > aside and address the logical/meaningful ones ? Wouldn't that have > lead to a captivating discussion where we benefit from each other's > experiences ? > > You see, life is very vast and there are varied experiences of > people. These opinions are like smaller views people have of the > same large object. Sort of like the story of the elephant and > different people looking at it from different sides. One person sees > the leg of the elephant and describes elephant as such.. The other > sees the trunk and describes elephant as he sees.. so on and so > forth.. All of them are right yet noone is completely right.. > depending upon how we look at it...They all have relative truths.. > > Jyotish is the science of life. We as individuals have different > experiences, hence our differences of opinions. The only way to grow > is when we are willing to share what we know and learn from others - > openly and freely. We also have to be careful not to put anyone else > down or to disrespect others for the views they hold. Its great to > have some compassion as well because we don't know what the other > person may have experienced in their lives.. > > This message is not intended to start another long trail of > comments.. This is just an attempt to create a little more harmony, > if you like. My two cents worth.. > > best wishes, > Anshev B. Bhardwejj > > > > > > > , parul sharma <booxer999> wrote: > > I dont know this person, he is supposed to got my id from the > group only, hence i mailed it to the group.... > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello Ms Parul Sharma, > > > > You have received a message from Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain and > therefore you > > should only send your message to him and not to the list. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > - > > " parul sharma " <booxer999> > > " sanatkumar jain " <sanatkumar_jain@r...> > > Cc: <lalkitabremedies >; <bhooshanpriya>; > > ; <siha>; > > <amitj_69> > > Friday, September 23, 2005 4:40 PM > > Re: Astrology a science or myth > > > > > > > > May God Bless u. > > Its very strange how you are imposing ur ideology on others and > making > > people believe that astrology is a myth. > > U seem to think that u only think logically and others are fool... > > > > and how dare u comment about my social background, when ur words > speak the > > background u belong to. > > and being an engineer doesnt mean i shouldnt believe in > astrology... > > And dont write unwanted mails to me,henceforth..... > > > > > > siha > > sanatkumar jain <sanatkumar_jain@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To, > > parul sharma > > booxer999 > > > > Dear Ms. Sharma, > > Hi, > > Received you email, thanks for your comments. > > I will like to say that though you are Engineer but sorry to say > that you do > > not have a logical approach towards astrology. This is due to > social > > background in which you are brought up. Because what we were > informed time > > and again that our sages had " Divya Drasti " . (Though they were not > able to > > detect any thing about the Solar system) has permanent imprint on > our mind. > > Thus it is really difficult to understand some thing without this > mindset. > > > > You have intermingled many item with astrology i.e. God, > prediction, puja, > > Mantra, few people know this " science " etc. I am very pointed > towards > > astrology and do not mixing it with other items. > > > > If you have a scientific approach then instead of blindly > following any > > thing you must have independent thought to understand a thing > logically. If > > it is science then you must also know the information and > procedure adopted > > to formulate various principles only then you can realise the > content of > > mistake. Because every scientific theory is supported by such > information. > > If few people are so well versed with this science than why don't > they come > > forward to have a vibrant discussion instead of cheating some > innocent > > persons. If there would have been a single person then status of > whole world > > would have been changed. What happened to Vajpai in election, > murder of > > Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi and what not would have been > detected by > > that person and would have been averted by some means well known > to that > > person. > > > > Secondly, any incident is not independent i.e. which can be > isolated from > > other happenings. Thus if you try to modify your destiny (which > can be > > detected by 'very less people who know this " science " ...' > according to you) > > by whatever means than it will have a cascading effect on every > surrounding > > happening. > > > > Above fact may be clear from the example of an event. Suppose a > renowned > > astrologer has predicted after consulting horoscope of an > individual and > > after implementing all other related astrological principles that > on a > > particular day, leg of individual will be amputate in an accident. > Now that > > individual has only two options. Firstly, he may wait till that > date when > > his leg will be amputate, believing that destiny is fixed and > weaken his > > will power due to mental worries; and it may also be possible that > in such a > > weak and worried mental status, he may be victim of any accident > nearly that > > date. As an other option he may try to avert this accident by > following the > > advise of the astrologer and wear some costly gem or do some spell > etc. In > > both these above situations if there would be even a minor > accident near > > about that date then quite naturally it will be concluded that > forecast was > > correct and destiny is fixed and no body can change it. Now from > the above > > explanation it can be > > concluded that every incident is pre-decided and no body is in a > position > > to change it. In this situation what is the propriety of virtuous > or sinful > > work. Because virtuous or sinful action were it-self pre- decided. > In this > > situation what is the propriety in teaching some one to abstain > from sinful > > action. Because he is neither performing any virtuous action nor > any sinful > > action but he is simply following the track of pre-decided destiny > and he is > > neither eligible nor supposed to use his intellect or knowledge > for > > performing any action. Now, it is a very strange situation, as > firstly some > > one may be forced to do some sinful act by following so-called > fixed destiny > > and thereafter, he may be punished for that sinful act. Beside > this, > > description of virtuous act of some one else may be praised in > front of him > > in the hope that he will also follow the correct path and it is > also > > expected from him to do some virtuous act. Whereas that poor > fellow is not > > involve in any sinful act, because > > every incident is pre-decided, which may be decoded and forecasted > by the > > astrologer from the horoscope and he is only performing his part > according > > to the pre-decided script, like an actor of a film. In this > situation he is > > neither supposed to use his skill, wisdom nor he is required to > worry nor > > there is a need to know about the future because whatever is pre- > decided > > would automatically happen. > > > > In other situation, if that individual followed the advise of the > astrologer > > and wear some costly gem or do some spell etc. to avoid the > amputation of > > leg in an accident and subsequently there was no such accident. In > this > > situation too that individual would not only have a complete and > > unquestionable faith on the forecast of the astrologer but he > would also be > > mentally moulded to have a faith on the effect of the gem etc. and > will have > > a firm opinion that any fixed incident of future may be changed or > amended > > by following the advise of the astrologer like averting his own > accident and > > he would be trapped in this swirl for rest of his life. Now-a- days > almost > > everybody is suffering from this mentality and no body has a > vision for > > thinking logically or scientifically beyond this point. Whereas, > when the > > astrologer forecasted from the fixed destiny about the amputation > of leg in > > an accident of an individual on the basis of primitive > astrological > > principles than this incident was not > > isolated but future of many persons was linked with this accident. > Because > > any incident can never be isolated and it is always linked with a > chain of > > incidents. Thus, when amputation of the leg was decided in the > fixed destiny > > of the individual then in continuation of this incident it was > also decided > > in the future of an auto-rikshaw driver that after this accident > that poor > > auto-rikshaw driver who would have not earned a rupee would be > awarded after > > taking him to hospital and subsequently, it was also decided in > the future > > of the dying mother of that driver that she would be saved from > the > > medicines purchased from this income. But that individual modified > his fixed > > destiny on the advice of the astrologer by wearing a costly ring > etc. Thus > > neither there was an accident, nor auto-rikshaw driver took him to > the > > hospital, nor he was awarded, nor he could purchase the medicine > for his > > dying mother and ultimately his mother died. In this way old > mother of > > auto-rikshaw driver who was > > destined to survive after taking medicine purchased from the > awarded money > > was actually died due to minor modification in the predicted fixed > destiny > > of the individual by using gem, ring, spell etc. We may continue > to add many > > more persons in the above incident, whose fixed destiny was also > changed. In > > this way all linked incident and linked incident of linked > incident would > > also be changed after averting or slightly changing any favourable > or > > unfavourable fixed destiny and a person who was not even remotely > connected > > would be effected as old mother of driver in the above example. > > > > Just imagine if every Tom, Dick and Harry may be able to modify > that > > so-called fixed destiny then the volume of destiny of entire world > will be a > > mess and then what would happen to that so-called prediction, > which was > > based on original destiny and assessed by a learned astrologer > from the > > horoscope. In this way the concept of fixed destiny is only a > psychological > > defensive tool for consolation for the persons having weak will- > power or > > unsuccessful or who are facing opposite situations. But if we try > to > > understand the reasoning of development of astrology and basic > idea of the > > sages and then try to improve the astrological principles in view > of latest > > knowledge of solar system and Universe by estimating the impact of > the > > planet then we will definitely be able to calculate the impact, > and can be > > able to take benefit of that impact in our favour. Most important > factor > > required for this is that our mentality must be logical, modern > instead of > > orthodox; and action oriented, intellect > > instead of believer of fixed destiny, only then we can carve out > our future > > according to our desire and also create some destiny for next > birth in > > accordance with our good deeds in this life. > > > > If you logically and with open mind tries to analyse above paras > then you > > may find explanation of all questions raised in your email. Now I > left it to > > your wisdom. But in last I will also like to inform that my email > is not a > > " Nice way to market you book... " according to you, as book selling > is not my > > job, because it is the job of the publisher and distributor. What > I want > > that public and specifically new generation must not follow > anything without > > analysing it from all angles and that too when they have > opportunity to > > understand and capability to analyse it. Reference of book was > only given to > > convey that I am not saying anything without any substance and > hollowness of > > astrological principles is fully explained in the book, which can > not be > > published by any publisher without any reason or substantial > explanation. > > > > May God help you, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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