Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Dear Margarita, I'll add my comments in caps. , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > In a mail dated 14 january I found the following : > 1) When Saturn aspects 2nd, 7th or 11th house or lords of > these houses it delays marriage up to 27.5 years of age. ASH : DOES IT HAVE TO ASPECT ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE OR ANY 2 AND WHAT HAPPENS IF 1) SHANI ASPECTS ONLY 1 HOUSE HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS 2) SHANI ASPECTS 2 HOUSES HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS 3) SHANI ASPECTS ALL 3 WOULD DEFINTELY BE 27.5 YEARS. > 2) If such Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the delay is > moderated up to 24/24.5 years ASH : YES AND TO ADD TO THAT IF SHANI IS IN GURU'S NAVAMSA THE DELAY IS REDUCED, THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN ONE OF THE LATEST LESSON ON SAMDHARMI I BELIEVE IN THE SOLVED EXAMPLE BY KRUSHNAJI FOR SAMDHARMI LESSON (LATEST ONE). > 3) If in sarvasak some planets give zero in one or two > places it delays the marriage (if zero is in 3 places it > may indicate no marriage) ASH : IN ONE OF THE MAILS, KRUSHNAJI HAS INDICATED BASED ON 0 POINTS IN A CHART FOR DELAYED MARRIAGE. THE DELAY WAS OF 27.5 YEARS + THERE WERE ZERO POINTS IN SAV CHART, FOR WHICH KRUSHNAJI HAD MENTIONED DELAY OF UPTO 32.5 YEARS. SO I KNOW THAT KRUSHNAJI MUST HAVE ADDED A DEFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS FOR EACH ZERO WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, PLUS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT THERE IS A DEFINITE VALUE OR ATLEAST AN APPROACH OR ELSE WE ALL MAY BE OFF BY YEARS EG 27.5 YEARS FOR SHANI DELAY TO 32.5 YEARS. MAYBE KRUSHNAJI CAN CLARIFY THIS POINT AS IT WILL THEN OPEN UP MORE DOORS AND GIVE US SOME MORE BENCH MARKS OR TOOLS TO INDICATE FURTHER DELAYS. > 4) Lords of D and E are capable of giving the result for > house B and are. If not obstructed by the delay causing > planet, when they get a chance they give the result. ASH : WHEN WE SAY OBSTRUCTED, DO WE MEAN ONLY ASPECTS OR SHANI OR WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLANETS GIVING 0 POINTS FOR THE PLACE THE PLANET IS LOCATED OR SITUATED ? > > I think, the 3 factors must be aspected by Saturn, either > the houses or the lords. This is usually the rule that 3 > factors or 3 laws must apply. 2 houses and 1 lord also > would give the same result. But I don't think the > conjunction counts because for " results " basis of this > system, Saturn will not have a direct influence on the > other planet. ASH : SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE SHANI IS THE LORD OF HOUSE 7 AND ASPECTS LORD OF HOUSE C IN NAVAMSA AND LORD OF C IN RASI THE 27.5 YEARS DELAY WILL TAKE EFFECT ? > > I also think there is not a " definite law " because so many > combinations are involved. We have to look at all the > factors In this chart we already have 3 zeros, (2 for mars and 1 > for moon) this alone is all enough to delay marriage. ASH : YES, I FULLY AGREE, BUT HOW MUCH. WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF SHANI DID NOT CAUSE DELAY AND YET THERE WERE 3 ZEROES THEN HOW MUCH DELAY COULD WE PREDICT ? THIS IS PRURELY BASED ON ZEROS, AND AGAIN I THINK MY CONFUSUION POINT IS THAT FOR EACH 0, HOW MANY YEARS DELAY DOES IT INDICATE ? > Now suppose Saturn aspects 2 houses and we have 2 zeros, > this would also bring some delay. ASH : YES AGREED, BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DELAY (27.5 YEARS. 24.5 YEARS OVER 30 YEARS ETC), FROM WHAT AGE DO WE START CHECKING THE FIRST POSSIBLE ANTRA FOR MARRIAGE ? > There could also be very low points for the 7th house or > always a planet aspecting one house for marriage; this > would delay marriage until some bukti of the nodes if they > can give result. ASH : YES, AGREED. > I think we must approach this in a flexible way with the > laws in the background of our mind otherwise it really > becomes very complicated and I will get lost. ASH : MARGARITA, SOMETIMES THINGS DONT FIT INTO MY MIND AS THIS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND SO IM SURE THERE IS A NUMBER BEHIND EVERY THEORY. IN TIME IT WILL GET SORTED OUT FOR ME AND I SHALL KEEP AT IT , YOUR ANSWERS ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AS THEY MAKE ME THINK AND HELP ME LEARN. THANK YOU. > Hope this helps ! ASH : IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES > Best regards > Margarita > CHEERS !!! ASH > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Dear Margarita and Ash, and other List members, Delay due to saturn is when it is having any relation with A,B,C, house or lords of these house. It may be in Rashi, Navamansha chart or considering both. Saturn situated in any house, or lord of any house, may be treated as that house is effected, and if remaining two houses are effected, delay is indicated. Zero in addition to this, delays further. One Zero may be considered 10%. If there are three Zeros, much delay, but if Zero are in 2nd and 7th house, marriage is denyed. Venus and Sun difference is also a main reason for delay. if the difference is more then 43 degrees and Aspected by Saturn, delay is indicated. If Venus is ahead of Sun, and difference is more then 43 degrees, and Saturn aspects one of the luminary, more possibility of denial. Here is one Example : Taken from other list: Female, D.O.B. 3rd Sept 1962, Time 10:25 am (GMT +5.5) Delhi 28:N:54, 077E:13 , Krushna's Ayanansha 22:19:28. Here difference between Sun and Venus is about 46 Degrees, and Venus is ahead of Sun, Saturn aspects Venus and Moon. This Native is not married yet. krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > I'll add my comments in caps. > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > In a mail dated 14 january I found the following : > > 1) When Saturn aspects 2nd, 7th or 11th house or lords of > > these houses it delays marriage up to 27.5 years of age. > > ASH : DOES IT HAVE TO ASPECT ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE OR ANY 2 AND > WHAT HAPPENS IF > 1) SHANI ASPECTS ONLY 1 HOUSE HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > 2) SHANI ASPECTS 2 HOUSES HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > 3) SHANI ASPECTS ALL 3 WOULD DEFINTELY BE 27.5 YEARS. > > > 2) If such Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the delay is > > moderated up to 24/24.5 years > > ASH : YES AND TO ADD TO THAT IF SHANI IS IN GURU'S NAVAMSA THE DELAY > IS REDUCED, THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN ONE OF THE LATEST LESSON ON > SAMDHARMI I BELIEVE IN THE SOLVED EXAMPLE BY KRUSHNAJI FOR SAMDHARMI > LESSON (LATEST ONE). > > > 3) If in sarvasak some planets give zero in one or two > > places it delays the marriage (if zero is in 3 places it > > may indicate no marriage) > > ASH : IN ONE OF THE MAILS, KRUSHNAJI HAS INDICATED BASED ON 0 POINTS > IN A CHART FOR DELAYED MARRIAGE. THE DELAY WAS OF 27.5 YEARS + THERE > WERE ZERO POINTS IN SAV CHART, FOR WHICH KRUSHNAJI HAD MENTIONED > DELAY OF UPTO 32.5 YEARS. SO I KNOW THAT KRUSHNAJI MUST HAVE ADDED A > DEFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS FOR EACH ZERO WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO > UNDERSTAND, PLUS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT > THERE IS A DEFINITE VALUE OR ATLEAST AN APPROACH OR ELSE WE ALL MAY > BE OFF BY YEARS EG 27.5 YEARS FOR SHANI DELAY TO 32.5 YEARS. MAYBE > KRUSHNAJI CAN CLARIFY THIS POINT AS IT WILL THEN OPEN UP MORE DOORS > AND GIVE US SOME MORE BENCH MARKS OR TOOLS TO INDICATE FURTHER DELAYS. > > > 4) Lords of D and E are capable of giving the result for > > house B and are. If not obstructed by the delay causing > > planet, when they get a chance they give the result. > > ASH : WHEN WE SAY OBSTRUCTED, DO WE MEAN ONLY ASPECTS OR SHANI OR WE > ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLANETS GIVING 0 POINTS FOR THE PLACE THE PLANET > IS LOCATED OR SITUATED ? > > > > I think, the 3 factors must be aspected by Saturn, either > > the houses or the lords. This is usually the rule that 3 > > factors or 3 laws must apply. 2 houses and 1 lord also > > would give the same result. But I don't think the > > conjunction counts because for " results " basis of this > > system, Saturn will not have a direct influence on the > > other planet. > > ASH : SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE SHANI IS THE > LORD OF HOUSE 7 AND ASPECTS LORD OF HOUSE C IN NAVAMSA AND LORD OF C > IN RASI THE 27.5 YEARS DELAY WILL TAKE EFFECT ? > > > > > I also think there is not a " definite law " because so many > > combinations are involved. We have to look at all the > > factors In this chart we already have 3 zeros, (2 for mars and 1 > > for moon) this alone is all enough to delay marriage. > > ASH : YES, I FULLY AGREE, BUT HOW MUCH. WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF SHANI > DID NOT CAUSE DELAY AND YET THERE WERE 3 ZEROES THEN HOW MUCH DELAY > COULD WE PREDICT ? THIS IS PRURELY BASED ON ZEROS, AND AGAIN I THINK > MY CONFUSUION POINT IS THAT FOR EACH 0, HOW MANY YEARS DELAY DOES IT > INDICATE ? > > > Now suppose Saturn aspects 2 houses and we have 2 zeros, > > this would also bring some delay. > > ASH : YES AGREED, BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DELAY (27.5 YEARS. 24.5 YEARS > OVER 30 YEARS ETC), FROM WHAT AGE DO WE START CHECKING THE FIRST > POSSIBLE ANTRA FOR MARRIAGE ? > > > There could also be very low points for the 7th house or > > always a planet aspecting one house for marriage; this > > would delay marriage until some bukti of the nodes if they > > can give result. > > ASH : YES, AGREED. > > > I think we must approach this in a flexible way with the > > laws in the background of our mind otherwise it really > > becomes very complicated and I will get lost. > > ASH : MARGARITA, SOMETIMES THINGS DONT FIT INTO MY MIND AS THIS AV > SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND SO IM SURE THERE IS A NUMBER BEHIND EVERY > THEORY. IN TIME IT WILL GET SORTED OUT FOR ME AND I SHALL KEEP AT > IT , YOUR ANSWERS ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AS THEY MAKE ME THINK AND > HELP ME LEARN. THANK YOU. > > > Hope this helps ! > > ASH : IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES > > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Hello Ash, find my comments in italics > In a mail dated 14 january I found the following : > 1) When Saturn aspects 2nd, 7th or 11th house or lords of > these houses it delays marriage up to 27.5 years of age. ASH : DOES IT HAVE TO ASPECT ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE OR ANY 2 AND WHAT HAPPENS IF 1) SHANI ASPECTS ONLY 1 HOUSE HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS 2) SHANI ASPECTS 2 HOUSES HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS 3) SHANI ASPECTS ALL 3 WOULD DEFINTELY BE 27.5 YEARS. I think 3 factors have to be involved to create delay up to 27.5 years, either lord or house. One factor doesn't give delay. Perhaps 2 factors could give medium delay, it all depends on other configurations > 2) If such Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the delay is > moderated up to 24/24.5 years ASH : YES AND TO ADD TO THAT IF SHANI IS IN GURU'S NAVAMSA THE DELAY IS REDUCED, THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN ONE OF THE LATEST LESSON ON SAMDHARMI I BELIEVE IN THE SOLVED EXAMPLE BY KRUSHNAJI FOR SAMDHARMI LESSON (LATEST ONE). > 3) If in sarvasak some planets give zero in one or two > places it delays the marriage (if zero is in 3 places it > may indicate no marriage) ASH : IN ONE OF THE MAILS, KRUSHNAJI HAS INDICATED BASED ON 0 POINTS IN A CHART FOR DELAYED MARRIAGE. THE DELAY WAS OF 27.5 YEARS + THERE WERE ZERO POINTS IN SAV CHART, FOR WHICH KRUSHNAJI HAD MENTIONED DELAY OF UPTO 32.5 YEARS. SO I KNOW THAT KRUSHNAJI MUST HAVE ADDED A DEFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS FOR EACH ZERO WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, PLUS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT THERE IS A DEFINITE VALUE OR ATLEAST AN APPROACH OR ELSE WE ALL MAY BE OFF BY YEARS EG 27.5 YEARS FOR SHANI DELAY TO 32.5 YEARS. MAYBE KRUSHNAJI CAN CLARIFY THIS POINT AS IT WILL THEN OPEN UP MORE DOORS AND GIVE US SOME MORE BENCH MARKS OR TOOLS TO INDICATE FURTHER DELAYS. Yes, you could be right, but my mind is somewhat allergic to mathematics so I cannot focus on points alone because I always look at the chart as a whole > 4) Lords of D and E are capable of giving the result for > house B and are. If not obstructed by the delay causing > planet, when they get a chance they give the result. ASH : WHEN WE SAY OBSTRUCTED, DO WE MEAN ONLY ASPECTS OR SHANI OR WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLANETS GIVING 0 POINTS FOR THE PLACE THE PLANET IS LOCATED OR SITUATED ? > I mean obstructed : could be Saturn or the lord of the 6th for example > I think, the 3 factors must be aspected by Saturn, either > the houses or the lords. This is usually the rule that 3 > factors or 3 laws must apply. 2 houses and 1 lord also > would give the same result. But I don't think the > conjunction counts because for " results " basis of this > system, Saturn will not have a direct influence on the > other planet. ASH : SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE SHANI IS THE LORD OF HOUSE 7 AND ASPECTS LORD OF HOUSE C IN NAVAMSA AND LORD OF C IN RASI THE 27.5 YEARS DELAY WILL TAKE EFFECT ? > Yes, that's how I see it, but again, I would also look at other factors like the personality, if the person is egocentric, etc > I also think there is not a " definite law " because so many > combinations are involved. We have to look at all the > factors In this chart we already have 3 zeros, (2 for mars and 1 > for moon) this alone is all enough to delay marriage. ASH : YES, I FULLY AGREE, BUT HOW MUCH. WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF SHANI DID NOT CAUSE DELAY AND YET THERE WERE 3 ZEROES THEN HOW MUCH DELAY COULD WE PREDICT ? THIS IS PRURELY BASED ON ZEROS, AND AGAIN I THINK MY CONFUSUION POINT IS THAT FOR EACH 0, HOW MANY YEARS DELAY DOES IT INDICATE ? Without Saturn causing delay, if one planet gives 0 points in 3 places, this definitely would delay or eventually (other factors) deny marriage > Now suppose Saturn aspects 2 houses and we have 2 zeros, > this would also bring some delay. ASH : YES AGREED, BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DELAY (27.5 YEARS. 24.5 YEARS OVER 30 YEARS ETC), FROM WHAT AGE DO WE START CHECKING THE FIRST POSSIBLE ANTRA FOR MARRIAGE ? Krushna said that we had to look for the " legal age " which is 18 years I think. This doesn't mean that some girls are married earlier. I don't have charts for these cases but I suppose it must be seen somehow in their charts. Again, we must consider what marriage means in such cases, perhaps it could be considered as " rape " ???? which would involve other houses also. > There could also be very low points for the 7th house or > always a planet aspecting one house for marriage; this > would delay marriage until some bukti of the nodes if they > can give result. ASH : YES, AGREED. > I think we must approach this in a flexible way with the > laws in the background of our mind otherwise it really > becomes very complicated and I will get lost. ASH : MARGARITA, SOMETIMES THINGS DONT FIT INTO MY MIND AS THIS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND SO IM SURE THERE IS A NUMBER BEHIND EVERY THEORY. IN TIME IT WILL GET SORTED OUT FOR ME AND I SHALL KEEP AT IT , YOUR ANSWERS ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AS THEY MAKE ME THINK AND HELP ME LEARN. THANK YOU. Well, I think we are very different in our approach and it's interesting for me to see how you evaluate things. You focus more on rules and laws that have to function. This must be so indeed. But as I'm convinced that I will never know all laws and rules that make things work I look at things in a different way. You see things as either black or white. I see them as a field of shades of gray with some white and black spots because I'm convinced that I'm unable to grasp all that " is " . I know that behind everything that happens there is a reason that can be " figured out " but I don't have the motivation to understand " all " because I know I never can. Thanks for your mail, I appreciated your comments Best regards Margarita > Hope this helps ! ASH : IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES > Best regards > Margarita > CHEERS !!! ASH > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Thank you for this chart Krushna, I will study it. This venus being ahead of the Sun is something new I didn't notice. Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM Re: friend's marriage Dear Margarita and Ash, and other List members, Delay due to saturn is when it is having any relation with A,B,C, house or lords of these house. It may be in Rashi, Navamansha chart or considering both. Saturn situated in any house, or lord of any house, may be treated as that house is effected, and if remaining two houses are effected, delay is indicated. Zero in addition to this, delays further. One Zero may be considered 10%. If there are three Zeros, much delay, but if Zero are in 2nd and 7th house, marriage is denyed. Venus and Sun difference is also a main reason for delay. if the difference is more then 43 degrees and Aspected by Saturn, delay is indicated. If Venus is ahead of Sun, and difference is more then 43 degrees, and Saturn aspects one of the luminary, more possibility of denial. Here is one Example : Taken from other list: Female, D.O.B. 3rd Sept 1962, Time 10:25 am (GMT +5.5) Delhi 28:N:54, 077E:13 , Krushna's Ayanansha 22:19:28. Here difference between Sun and Venus is about 46 Degrees, and Venus is ahead of Sun, Saturn aspects Venus and Moon. This Native is not married yet. krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > I'll add my comments in caps. > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > In a mail dated 14 january I found the following : > > 1) When Saturn aspects 2nd, 7th or 11th house or lords of > > these houses it delays marriage up to 27.5 years of age. > > ASH : DOES IT HAVE TO ASPECT ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE OR ANY 2 AND > WHAT HAPPENS IF > 1) SHANI ASPECTS ONLY 1 HOUSE HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > 2) SHANI ASPECTS 2 HOUSES HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > 3) SHANI ASPECTS ALL 3 WOULD DEFINTELY BE 27.5 YEARS. > > > 2) If such Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the delay is > > moderated up to 24/24.5 years > > ASH : YES AND TO ADD TO THAT IF SHANI IS IN GURU'S NAVAMSA THE DELAY > IS REDUCED, THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN ONE OF THE LATEST LESSON ON > SAMDHARMI I BELIEVE IN THE SOLVED EXAMPLE BY KRUSHNAJI FOR SAMDHARMI > LESSON (LATEST ONE). > > > 3) If in sarvasak some planets give zero in one or two > > places it delays the marriage (if zero is in 3 places it > > may indicate no marriage) > > ASH : IN ONE OF THE MAILS, KRUSHNAJI HAS INDICATED BASED ON 0 POINTS > IN A CHART FOR DELAYED MARRIAGE. THE DELAY WAS OF 27.5 YEARS + THERE > WERE ZERO POINTS IN SAV CHART, FOR WHICH KRUSHNAJI HAD MENTIONED > DELAY OF UPTO 32.5 YEARS. SO I KNOW THAT KRUSHNAJI MUST HAVE ADDED A > DEFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS FOR EACH ZERO WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO > UNDERSTAND, PLUS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT > THERE IS A DEFINITE VALUE OR ATLEAST AN APPROACH OR ELSE WE ALL MAY > BE OFF BY YEARS EG 27.5 YEARS FOR SHANI DELAY TO 32.5 YEARS. MAYBE > KRUSHNAJI CAN CLARIFY THIS POINT AS IT WILL THEN OPEN UP MORE DOORS > AND GIVE US SOME MORE BENCH MARKS OR TOOLS TO INDICATE FURTHER DELAYS. > > > 4) Lords of D and E are capable of giving the result for > > house B and are. If not obstructed by the delay causing > > planet, when they get a chance they give the result. > > ASH : WHEN WE SAY OBSTRUCTED, DO WE MEAN ONLY ASPECTS OR SHANI OR WE > ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLANETS GIVING 0 POINTS FOR THE PLACE THE PLANET > IS LOCATED OR SITUATED ? > > > > I think, the 3 factors must be aspected by Saturn, either > > the houses or the lords. This is usually the rule that 3 > > factors or 3 laws must apply. 2 houses and 1 lord also > > would give the same result. But I don't think the > > conjunction counts because for " results " basis of this > > system, Saturn will not have a direct influence on the > > other planet. > > ASH : SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE SHANI IS THE > LORD OF HOUSE 7 AND ASPECTS LORD OF HOUSE C IN NAVAMSA AND LORD OF C > IN RASI THE 27.5 YEARS DELAY WILL TAKE EFFECT ? > > > > > I also think there is not a " definite law " because so many > > combinations are involved. We have to look at all the > > factors In this chart we already have 3 zeros, (2 for mars and 1 > > for moon) this alone is all enough to delay marriage. > > ASH : YES, I FULLY AGREE, BUT HOW MUCH. WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF SHANI > DID NOT CAUSE DELAY AND YET THERE WERE 3 ZEROES THEN HOW MUCH DELAY > COULD WE PREDICT ? THIS IS PRURELY BASED ON ZEROS, AND AGAIN I THINK > MY CONFUSUION POINT IS THAT FOR EACH 0, HOW MANY YEARS DELAY DOES IT > INDICATE ? > > > Now suppose Saturn aspects 2 houses and we have 2 zeros, > > this would also bring some delay. > > ASH : YES AGREED, BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DELAY (27.5 YEARS. 24.5 YEARS > OVER 30 YEARS ETC), FROM WHAT AGE DO WE START CHECKING THE FIRST > POSSIBLE ANTRA FOR MARRIAGE ? > > > There could also be very low points for the 7th house or > > always a planet aspecting one house for marriage; this > > would delay marriage until some bukti of the nodes if they > > can give result. > > ASH : YES, AGREED. > > > I think we must approach this in a flexible way with the > > laws in the background of our mind otherwise it really > > becomes very complicated and I will get lost. > > ASH : MARGARITA, SOMETIMES THINGS DONT FIT INTO MY MIND AS THIS AV > SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND SO IM SURE THERE IS A NUMBER BEHIND EVERY > THEORY. IN TIME IT WILL GET SORTED OUT FOR ME AND I SHALL KEEP AT > IT , YOUR ANSWERS ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AS THEY MAKE ME THINK AND > HELP ME LEARN. THANK YOU. > > > Hope this helps ! > > ASH : IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES > > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Dear Margarita, Thank your for your inputs and comments. It was a refreshing exchange. I shall keep your points in my mind and yes I do believe that there are somethings that we cannot figure out (x-files lol) or more research is needed in some areas. I am very happy with the AV system and with more knowledge and experience I shall make my predictions better. Thank you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > Hello Ash, find my comments in italics > > In a mail dated 14 january I found the following : > > 1) When Saturn aspects 2nd, 7th or 11th house or lords of > > these houses it delays marriage up to 27.5 years of age. > > ASH : DOES IT HAVE TO ASPECT ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE OR ANY > 2 AND > WHAT HAPPENS IF > 1) SHANI ASPECTS ONLY 1 HOUSE HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > 2) SHANI ASPECTS 2 HOUSES HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > 3) SHANI ASPECTS ALL 3 WOULD DEFINTELY BE 27.5 YEARS. > I think 3 factors have to be involved to create delay up to > 27.5 years, either lord or house. One factor doesn't give > delay. > Perhaps 2 factors could give medium delay, it all depends > on other configurations > > > > 2) If such Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the delay is > > moderated up to 24/24.5 years > > ASH : YES AND TO ADD TO THAT IF SHANI IS IN GURU'S NAVAMSA > THE DELAY > IS REDUCED, THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN ONE OF THE LATEST LESSON > ON > SAMDHARMI I BELIEVE IN THE SOLVED EXAMPLE BY KRUSHNAJI FOR > SAMDHARMI > LESSON (LATEST ONE). > > > > 3) If in sarvasak some planets give zero in one or two > > places it delays the marriage (if zero is in 3 places it > > may indicate no marriage) > > ASH : IN ONE OF THE MAILS, KRUSHNAJI HAS INDICATED BASED ON > 0 POINTS > IN A CHART FOR DELAYED MARRIAGE. THE DELAY WAS OF 27.5 > YEARS + THERE > WERE ZERO POINTS IN SAV CHART, FOR WHICH KRUSHNAJI HAD > MENTIONED > DELAY OF UPTO 32.5 YEARS. SO I KNOW THAT KRUSHNAJI MUST > HAVE ADDED A > DEFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS FOR EACH ZERO WHICH IS WHAT I WAS > TRYING TO > UNDERSTAND, PLUS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND I AM QUITE > SURE THAT > THERE IS A DEFINITE VALUE OR ATLEAST AN APPROACH OR ELSE WE > ALL MAY > BE OFF BY YEARS EG 27.5 YEARS FOR SHANI DELAY TO 32.5 > YEARS. MAYBE > KRUSHNAJI CAN CLARIFY THIS POINT AS IT WILL THEN OPEN UP > MORE DOORS > AND GIVE US SOME MORE BENCH MARKS OR TOOLS TO INDICATE > FURTHER DELAYS. > > Yes, you could be right, but my mind is somewhat allergic > to mathematics so I cannot focus on points alone because I > always look at the chart as a whole > > > 4) Lords of D and E are capable of giving the result for > > house B and are. If not obstructed by the delay causing > > planet, when they get a chance they give the result. > > ASH : WHEN WE SAY OBSTRUCTED, DO WE MEAN ONLY ASPECTS OR > SHANI OR WE > ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLANETS GIVING 0 POINTS FOR THE PLACE > THE PLANET > IS LOCATED OR SITUATED ? > > > I mean obstructed : could be Saturn or the lord of the 6th > for example > > > I think, the 3 factors must be aspected by Saturn, either > > the houses or the lords. This is usually the rule that 3 > > factors or 3 laws must apply. 2 houses and 1 lord also > > would give the same result. But I don't think the > > conjunction counts because for " results " basis of this > > system, Saturn will not have a direct influence on the > > other planet. > > ASH : SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE SHANI > IS THE > LORD OF HOUSE 7 AND ASPECTS LORD OF HOUSE C IN NAVAMSA AND > LORD OF C > IN RASI THE 27.5 YEARS DELAY WILL TAKE EFFECT ? > > > > Yes, that's how I see it, but again, I would also look at > other factors like the personality, if the person is > egocentric, etc > > > I also think there is not a " definite law " because so > many > > combinations are involved. We have to look at all the > > factors In this chart we already have 3 zeros, (2 for > mars and 1 > > for moon) this alone is all enough to delay marriage. > > ASH : YES, I FULLY AGREE, BUT HOW MUCH. WHAT WERE TO > HAPPEN IF SHANI > DID NOT CAUSE DELAY AND YET THERE WERE 3 ZEROES THEN HOW > MUCH DELAY > COULD WE PREDICT ? THIS IS PRURELY BASED ON ZEROS, AND > AGAIN I THINK > MY CONFUSUION POINT IS THAT FOR EACH 0, HOW MANY YEARS > DELAY DOES IT > INDICATE ? > > Without Saturn causing delay, if one planet gives 0 points > in 3 places, this definitely would delay or eventually > (other factors) deny marriage > > > Now suppose Saturn aspects 2 houses and we have 2 zeros, > > this would also bring some delay. > > ASH : YES AGREED, BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DELAY (27.5 YEARS. > 24.5 YEARS > OVER 30 YEARS ETC), FROM WHAT AGE DO WE START CHECKING THE > FIRST > POSSIBLE ANTRA FOR MARRIAGE ? > Krushna said that we had to look for the " legal age " which > is 18 years I think. This doesn't mean that some girls are > married earlier. I don't have charts for these cases but I > suppose it must be seen somehow in their charts. Again, we > must consider what marriage means in such cases, perhaps it > could be considered as " rape " ???? which would involve > other houses also. > > > > There could also be very low points for the 7th house or > > always a planet aspecting one house for marriage; this > > would delay marriage until some bukti of the nodes if > they > > can give result. > > ASH : YES, AGREED. > > > I think we must approach this in a flexible way with the > > laws in the background of our mind otherwise it really > > becomes very complicated and I will get lost. > > ASH : MARGARITA, SOMETIMES THINGS DONT FIT INTO MY MIND AS > THIS AV > SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND SO IM SURE THERE IS A NUMBER > BEHIND EVERY > THEORY. IN TIME IT WILL GET SORTED OUT FOR ME AND I SHALL > KEEP AT > IT , YOUR ANSWERS ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AS THEY MAKE ME > THINK AND > HELP ME LEARN. THANK YOU. > Well, I think we are very different in our approach and > it's interesting for me to see how you evaluate things. You > focus more on rules and laws that have to function. This > must be so indeed. But as I'm convinced that I will never > know all laws and rules that make things work I look at > things in a different way. You see things as either black > or white. I see them as a field of shades of gray with some > white and black spots because I'm convinced that I'm unable > to grasp all that " is " . I know that behind everything that > happens there is a reason that can be " figured out " but I > don't have the motivation to understand " all " because I > know I never can. Thanks for your mail, I appreciated your > comments > Best regards > Margarita > > > > Hope this helps ! > > ASH : IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES > > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > > 7/1/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Dear Krushnaji, I was studying the chart that you have given for no marriage. As you have said 1) Venus is ahead of Sun 2) Diff between Venus and Sun is > 43 degrees 3) Shani is aspecting Venus and Moon. 4) 6th lord is aspecting NK for marriage i.e. Venus and FK = Mars. In this chart a few other positive combinations 1) 3 out of 5 places have 5:9 combination. Lagna/7th lord : 5:9 Sun/7th lord : 6:8 Moon/7th lord : 5:9 Venus/7th lord : 5:9 Mars/7th lord : 6:8 2) Mercury is in 12th house LOE and with 4 points ?? Why did mercury not give marriage or Shani as shani is LOD ? 3) Moon, Mars, Mercury and Shani have > 12 points for 7th house 4) No Zero points in SAV. 5) 7th house has only 22 points. Krushnaji, in what order to approach this and what points have a higher priority than the others ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Margarita and Ash, and other List members, > Delay due to saturn is when it is having any relation > with A,B,C, house or lords of these house. It may be in Rashi, > Navamansha chart or considering both. Saturn situated in any house, > or lord of any house, may be treated as that house is effected, and > if remaining two houses are effected, delay is indicated. > Zero in addition to this, delays further. One Zero may be > considered 10%. If there are three Zeros, much delay, but if Zero are > in 2nd and 7th house, marriage is denyed. > Venus and Sun difference is also a main reason for delay. > if the difference is more then 43 degrees and Aspected by Saturn, > delay is indicated. If Venus is ahead of Sun, and difference is more > then 43 degrees, and Saturn aspects one of the luminary, more > possibility of denial. > Here is one Example : Taken from other list: Female, > D.O.B. 3rd Sept 1962, Time 10:25 am (GMT +5.5) Delhi 28:N:54, > 077E:13 , Krushna's Ayanansha 22:19:28. > Here difference between Sun and Venus is about 46 > Degrees, and Venus is ahead of Sun, Saturn aspects Venus and Moon. > This Native is not married yet. > krushna > > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> > wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > I'll add my comments in caps. > > > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > > wrote: > > > Hello Ash, > > > In a mail dated 14 january I found the following : > > > 1) When Saturn aspects 2nd, 7th or 11th house or lords of > > > these houses it delays marriage up to 27.5 years of age. > > > > ASH : DOES IT HAVE TO ASPECT ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE OR ANY 2 AND > > WHAT HAPPENS IF > > 1) SHANI ASPECTS ONLY 1 HOUSE HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > > 2) SHANI ASPECTS 2 HOUSES HOW MUCH DELAY IN YEARS > > 3) SHANI ASPECTS ALL 3 WOULD DEFINTELY BE 27.5 YEARS. > > > > > 2) If such Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the delay is > > > moderated up to 24/24.5 years > > > > ASH : YES AND TO ADD TO THAT IF SHANI IS IN GURU'S NAVAMSA THE > DELAY > > IS REDUCED, THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN ONE OF THE LATEST LESSON ON > > SAMDHARMI I BELIEVE IN THE SOLVED EXAMPLE BY KRUSHNAJI FOR > SAMDHARMI > > LESSON (LATEST ONE). > > > > > 3) If in sarvasak some planets give zero in one or two > > > places it delays the marriage (if zero is in 3 places it > > > may indicate no marriage) > > > > ASH : IN ONE OF THE MAILS, KRUSHNAJI HAS INDICATED BASED ON 0 > POINTS > > IN A CHART FOR DELAYED MARRIAGE. THE DELAY WAS OF 27.5 YEARS + > THERE > > WERE ZERO POINTS IN SAV CHART, FOR WHICH KRUSHNAJI HAD MENTIONED > > DELAY OF UPTO 32.5 YEARS. SO I KNOW THAT KRUSHNAJI MUST HAVE ADDED > A > > DEFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS FOR EACH ZERO WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING > TO > > UNDERSTAND, PLUS AV SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT > > THERE IS A DEFINITE VALUE OR ATLEAST AN APPROACH OR ELSE WE ALL MAY > > BE OFF BY YEARS EG 27.5 YEARS FOR SHANI DELAY TO 32.5 YEARS. MAYBE > > KRUSHNAJI CAN CLARIFY THIS POINT AS IT WILL THEN OPEN UP MORE DOORS > > AND GIVE US SOME MORE BENCH MARKS OR TOOLS TO INDICATE FURTHER > DELAYS. > > > > > 4) Lords of D and E are capable of giving the result for > > > house B and are. If not obstructed by the delay causing > > > planet, when they get a chance they give the result. > > > > ASH : WHEN WE SAY OBSTRUCTED, DO WE MEAN ONLY ASPECTS OR SHANI OR > WE > > ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLANETS GIVING 0 POINTS FOR THE PLACE THE > PLANET > > IS LOCATED OR SITUATED ? > > > > > > I think, the 3 factors must be aspected by Saturn, either > > > the houses or the lords. This is usually the rule that 3 > > > factors or 3 laws must apply. 2 houses and 1 lord also > > > would give the same result. But I don't think the > > > conjunction counts because for " results " basis of this > > > system, Saturn will not have a direct influence on the > > > other planet. > > > > ASH : SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE SHANI IS THE > > LORD OF HOUSE 7 AND ASPECTS LORD OF HOUSE C IN NAVAMSA AND LORD OF > C > > IN RASI THE 27.5 YEARS DELAY WILL TAKE EFFECT ? > > > > > > > > I also think there is not a " definite law " because so many > > > combinations are involved. We have to look at all the > > > factors In this chart we already have 3 zeros, (2 for mars and 1 > > > for moon) this alone is all enough to delay marriage. > > > > ASH : YES, I FULLY AGREE, BUT HOW MUCH. WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF > SHANI > > DID NOT CAUSE DELAY AND YET THERE WERE 3 ZEROES THEN HOW MUCH DELAY > > COULD WE PREDICT ? THIS IS PRURELY BASED ON ZEROS, AND AGAIN I > THINK > > MY CONFUSUION POINT IS THAT FOR EACH 0, HOW MANY YEARS DELAY DOES > IT > > INDICATE ? > > > > > Now suppose Saturn aspects 2 houses and we have 2 zeros, > > > this would also bring some delay. > > > > ASH : YES AGREED, BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DELAY (27.5 YEARS. 24.5 YEARS > > OVER 30 YEARS ETC), FROM WHAT AGE DO WE START CHECKING THE FIRST > > POSSIBLE ANTRA FOR MARRIAGE ? > > > > > There could also be very low points for the 7th house or > > > always a planet aspecting one house for marriage; this > > > would delay marriage until some bukti of the nodes if they > > > can give result. > > > > ASH : YES, AGREED. > > > > > I think we must approach this in a flexible way with the > > > laws in the background of our mind otherwise it really > > > becomes very complicated and I will get lost. > > > > ASH : MARGARITA, SOMETIMES THINGS DONT FIT INTO MY MIND AS THIS AV > > SYSTEM IS MATH BASED AND SO IM SURE THERE IS A NUMBER BEHIND EVERY > > THEORY. IN TIME IT WILL GET SORTED OUT FOR ME AND I SHALL KEEP AT > > IT , YOUR ANSWERS ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AS THEY MAKE ME THINK > AND > > HELP ME LEARN. THANK YOU. > > > > > Hope this helps ! > > > > ASH : IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES > > > > > Best regards > > > Margarita > > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > > > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Prnaams to Dear Professor and Learned Members, Herewith furnished is the birth detail of my friend. Date of birth: 22-02-1973 Place: Bellary,Karnataka State, India Time: 17:20 Hrs IST He is currently working in Singapore. So far his marriage talks were not promising. He would like to know when his marriage will take place. Also any chances for him to get a transfer back to India and how his career would be? Please help him. Feb 22,1973 Time: 5:20PM Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 Longitude: 77E14 Latitude: 15N23 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Sa/Me/Ra As 25:20 Cn Aslesha Me Su 10:14 Aq Shatbisha Ra Mo 11:15 Li Swati Ra Ma 13:41 Sg P.Shadya Ve Me 27:45 Aq P.Bhadra Ju Ju 06:19 Cp U.Shadya Su Ve 28:40 Cp Dhanishtha Ma Sa 20:14 Ta Rohini Mo Ra 22:05 Sg P.Shadya Ve Ke 22:05 Ge Punarvasu Ju Thank you Best Regards Raja **************************************************************************** ********* Many of life's failure are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. **************************************************************************** ********** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hello Mr. Rajajee, The marital affairs of your friend are primarily ruled by the planets the Sun & Venus and both of these planets are quite weak in the chart. The second and fourth houses are under the close affliction of Rahu and Ketu respectively. He is currently in the sub period of Mercury which is also in old age and badly placed in the chart. Lord of the tenth house is badly placed and the MEP of the house of its placement is also under the close affliction of Rahu and Ketu. The lord of the sixth house housing the tenth lord is also debilitated and weak. Things are not promising on both professional and marital front. He needs strengthening of planets and continuous propitiation of Rahu and Ketu for better results and improvements. Best wishes, - " v.rajajee velayudan " <rajajee ; <satva > Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:09 AM [satva] Friend's Marriage > Prnaams to Dear Professor and Learned Members, > > > > Herewith furnished is the birth detail of my friend. > > > Date of birth: 22-02-1973 > > Place: Bellary,Karnataka State, India > > Time: 17:20 Hrs IST > > He is currently working in Singapore. So far his marriage talks > were not promising. He would like to know when his marriage will take > place. > Also any chances for him to get a transfer back to India and how his > career > would be? > > Please help him. > > Feb 22,1973 > Time: 5:20PM Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 77E14 Latitude: 15N23 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year > Current Period: Sa/Me/Ra > > As 25:20 Cn Aslesha Me > Su 10:14 Aq Shatbisha Ra > Mo 11:15 Li Swati Ra > Ma 13:41 Sg P.Shadya Ve > Me 27:45 Aq P.Bhadra Ju > Ju 06:19 Cp U.Shadya Su > Ve 28:40 Cp Dhanishtha Ma > Sa 20:14 Ta Rohini Mo > Ra 22:05 Sg P.Shadya Ve > Ke 22:05 Ge Punarvasu Ju > > > > > > Thank you > > Best Regards > > Raja > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > ********* > > Many of life's failure are people who did not realize > > how close they were to success when they gave up. > > **************************************************************************** > ********** > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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