Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Dear Raj, Hare Krishna. First of all, I must say that you are, indeed, a learned person in the Spiritual Science striving for perfection like a Yogi. I posted my following message to you and others on the list for which no comments were made. The message reads ; ===================================================== Hello dear Khan, Raj Shekhar and the Lists, Hare Krishna. The fact of the matter is that Magic is an illusion which leads further to disillussion. In this material world on this Planet Earth we all live in and experience every day the reletivity Truth such as Pain and Pleasurers, Happiness and sorrows etc. the list goes on. I am sure that people in India have heard many stories. One of the famous story is during the British Raj when all the Governers went to see the Magic show performed by one of the leading Magician named Sarkar, I am not too sure of the name, in Calcutta. The show time was 4.00 pm. Everybody arrived on time except one hour late arrival of the Magician. The audiences asked him how come you are one hour late ? The Magician answered, " Look at your watch, the time was 4 o'clock. " So, this type of knowledge of Magic sometime known as Black Magic is very much prevelent in the West Bengal area in India. When one comes out of this type of illusion, one may situiate oneself on proper mental state, (Physical, Emotional, Spiritual). This is what we all study and learn how to identify this type of illussions (Problems) created by the weaknesses of the Planetary position in the given chart in order to understand and realize our True Spiritual Identity. As long as we are on material plateform, all types of problems may exist. That is why we recommend propitiation ( divine acts ) and strengthening of the weak planets to create a balance life to reach our respective goals. Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. Best wishes.......................Amar Puri. =================================================== I am afraid that it is not a Philosphy discussion group. You are on right time but not the right place to discuss philosphy. Therefore, I suggest that in order to continue our further discussion, I am available and ready to discusss on the topic off the list on your private email, if it is ok with you. Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. Best wishes and regards....................Amar Puri. > " raj shekhar sharma " <rajshekhar.sharma > > >Re: For Amar Puri >Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:26:31 +0530 > >Hello Dear Amar > >Thanx to u too for your kind analysis. > > >Though you find it " dry mental speculative philosophy (Western >style/concept of Mind, body and spirits) " yet I would like to submit that if >you had a chance to read + understand " Shri Mad Bhagwan Purana " or " Shiva >Purana " or any of the Puranas or biographies of Ram Krishna Param Hansa or >Vivekananda or handwritten old texts regarding Yantra/Tantra, you would not >have been of the same opinion. > >Yes, the language might have sounded alike, as you have mentioned, but it >was for a layman as I have already mentioned. >The irony is that the knowledge acquired and presented by the ancient sages >of India in the fields of spiritualism and tantra is being used by western >people and that too with patents. > >One more thing, do you have anything to say in support of your opinion >instead of discriminating mine that too without any concrete ground of >principles. It sounded like a man who visits a shop to purchase something >eg. a quality writst-watch and when he finds that he will not be able to >purchase because of shortage of money, he simply criticized the quality of >watch in order to safeguard his ego. Well, please do not take it >personally, it is just a joke. If you please enlighten me with your >profound wisdom, I will be very happy to learn (seriously no joke, no >comment and no taunting). >At least one of us is going to learn something and I will be very happy if >you made me learn something. I believe in the result and not the way, >therefore, whatever you submit, I will reply only after thorough >examination and without any biasness on my part. > >Regards and good wishes. > >raj shekhar > > - > Amar Puri > > Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:36 PM > RE: For Raj from Amar Puri > > > Hello dear Raj, > > Thank you for your kind comments. > > It is full of dry mental speculative philosphy (Western style concept of > Mind, Body and Spirit) which leaves lots of questions unanswered. > > I to the Science of Soul as described in the ancient Vedic > Literatures such as Bhagavat Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam and so on accepted >by > the authoritative all previous Vedic Acharayas and the Maharishis coming > down in disciplic succession beginning from the Creator HIMSELF (Sri > Krishna). > > Thanks again, Dear Raj. > > Best wishes.......................Amar Puri. > > > > > > > " raj shekhar sharma " <rajshekhar.sharma > > > > > > For Mr. Amar Puri > >Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:32:55 +0530 > > > >Dear Amar > > > >Raj Shekhar wrote ; > > > > " Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he >wishes > >is > >not harmful to any human being. " > > > >Comments sought by Amar: > > > >According to the above statement, is it to be understood that it is a >one > >way street ? If it is so, Why ? > > > > > >Comments: > > > >It is not a one way street kinda mechanism. The concept of > >wishful-thinking or getting help from the inner super-consciousness is > >required to be understood to have a clear vision. In a layman's >language, > >our mind functions on three levels viz. conscious, sub-conscious and > >super-conscious. The conscious level of mind deals with wordly matters > >like reading, walking, speaking, observing, watching, taking decisions >etc. > >The conscious mind can further be classified into logical and >imaginative. > >The right side of our brain possesses imaginative skills which we use >to > >imagine, dream, emotion and the matters related to art and taste. The >left > >side of our brain functions on purely logical basis such as doing our > >jobs/study, analysing things on facts without having any emotional > >boundation for the same. It can be said that everything that one has >seen, > >watched, observed, felt, smelled, heard is automatically recorded in >our > >sub-conscious mind on permanent basis and this is the very reason that > >during hypnotic trance a person can recall even minute things from his > >memory which he can not in conscious level. It is the sub-conscious >mind, > >which, when in disturbed state, creates hallucinations and these > >hallucinations are often being observed as ghosts, tantrik kriyas, > >black-magic etc. For example, whenever a person encounters something >which > >causes fear to him due to any reason, the sub-conscious mind >immediately > >relates the very feeling of fear with those already existing, in the > >sub-conscious mind, as a past record. And in case the sub-conscious >mind > >of such person is disturbed, he may have problems in defining the >situation > >and, therefore, the concept of ghosts, tantrik-kriyas, black magic >erupts. > >As it is happening at present, a number of people and organisations are > >boasting of their skills to help a person in meditation, Kundalini > >awakening etc. which they do not even understand. The very first step >of > >meditation is to reach at the sub-conscious level, which is very easy >for > >any person, and then have a control over it so that it functions for >the > >benefit of the person concerned (and this is the crux of the game). >These > >so-called Gurus are just making a person to reach at the sub-conscious > >level, which anyone can without any help and understanding, and >thereafter > >boasting of their exemplary skills. It is just like befooling a person >of > >help which is not even required. The skill lies in understanding the > >functioning of sub-conscious mind, dealing with it carefully and > >programming for the benefit. Simply reaching at the stage is not of >any > >importance. A number of persons are getting harmed in the process as >such > >they do feel the unknown level of their mind but due to lack of proper > >understanding the feelings are either being killed or shattered. > >Therefore, when one encounter a disciple of such Guru he observes >absence > >of any kind of feeling. > > > >Feelings are the language of the soul and avoiding/shattering/killing >them > >can only result in the really inhuman personalities living under the > >mis-conception of being the most-human. > > > >It is after understanding the functioning of sub-conscious mind that a > >person reaches next level of super-consciousness where the concept of > >wishful thinking functions. At this level whatever one wishes comes >true. > >But it is a very subtle plane and specifically deals with the person > >concerned. If one wishes for materialistic comforts at this level, >which > >rarely happens, it may come true for him. But if he tries to harm any > >other person by thinking malice, the super-conscious mind makes it >happen > >for the same person. In 99 per cent of cases, where a person >understands > >and uses the skills of sub-conscious and super-conscious mind, he will > >never try to cause harm to anyone. He is bound to pray good for all > >because this is what the super-conscious mind (Soul) teaches to >everyone, > >everytime, everywhere. The one percent can only assume that he has the > >power of doing harm to other person but actually, it is he getting >harmed > >in the process. Due to strength of mind, he can survive long with such > >attitude, but at last he has to face the reality. It is due to this >reason > >that one seldom observes a happy and joyeous Tantrik Mind. > > > >The subject can not be covered even with all the material available on >the > >earth but I have tried my best to summarise it. > > > > > >Once one has that kind of Sidhi (Astral Power), one is free to use > >according > >to one's desire unconditionally. > > > > > >Comments: > > > >As already said once one has that kind of Sidhi in true sense, he will > >never use it for destructive matters as such the real meaning of Sidhi >lies > >in positive and constructive approach and mere thinking of malice can > >destroy the Sidhi - the term which can be defined in numerous ways in >every > >religion and sect. > > > >Raj Shekhar > > - > > Amar Puri > > > > Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:41 AM > > Re: Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > > > > > Raj Shekhar wrote ; > > > > " Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he >wishes > >is > > not harmful to any human being. " > > > > According to the above statement, is it to be understood that it is >a > >one > > way street ? If it is so, Why ? > > > > Once one has that kind of Sidhi (Astral Power), one is free to use > >according > > to one's desire unconditionally. > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > Your comments are invited, Dear Raj. > > > > Best wishes................Amar Puri. > > > > > > > " raj shekhar sharma " <rajshekhar.sharma > > > > > > > > >Re: Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > >Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:10:01 +0530 > > > > > >My Dear Amit, > > > > > >I know what you mean to communicate. I do believe in meditation, > >astral > > >travel, astral projection, mind reading, ESP, Hynotism, Out of Body > > >experiences and some times also practice personally. > > >I just wanna share with the group that > > > > > >Such things/practices can not cause harm to any person. > > >Such things/practices can not be used against the will of the >person > > >concerned. > > >Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he >wishes > >is > > >not harmful to any human being. > > > > > >Anyway thanks and regards to you for such a constructive approach. > > > > > >Raj Shekhar > > > - > > > amit_patnaik6 > > > > > > Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:39 AM > > > Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > I shall answer more later, but to tell you, Coincidence is an >event > > > occuring once a few times or a dozen times, not most times. Then >its > > > not a coincidence anymore. > > > I will explain to you exactly what i mean later, as it seems you > >have > > > understood it very literally and hence misunderstood:) > > > Take care > > > AMit > > > > > > , " raj shekhar sharma " > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri VKC, Amit and Rizkhan > > > > > > > > May this finds you all in best of health and spirits. > > > > > > > > Thanks Prof. VKC for your valuable guidacne. I have following >to > >say > > > about Amit's views: > > > > > > > > People's believe in something is not sufficient enough to make > >that > > > matter a real one. > > > > We can believe in a lot of things as per our understanding and > > > intelligence, but it is not necessary for the thing to exist. > > > > Those who can propel wishful thinking can not independently > > > influence the other person without his willingness to be >influenced. > > > > Secondly, it is only after a very high level of meditation >that a > > > person can have intuitive powers/qualities and that too can not >be > > > used to cause any harm, in any case. > > > > Very often, the thing called co-incident is used to describe >such > > > things. > > > > > > > > Regards to all > > > > > > > > Raj Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > amit_patnaik6 > > > > > > > > Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM > > > > Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > > > > > Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in > >black > > > > magic, what does your observation say on people who >knowingly or > > > > unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you >encountered > >such > > > > situations or people where most of their wishes are >fulfilled > >based > > > > on the configuration i have mentioned. > > > > In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and > >placement > > > > of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment. > > > > > > > > In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right > >objectivity, > > > > faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should > >propel > > > > one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions. > > > > Regards > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > , <siha> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan, > > > > > > > > > > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the >fifth > >house > > > > with weak > > > > > Mercury does create such situations where people believe > >events > > > > attributed > > > > > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for >this > >and > > > > yet others > > > > > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe >pinches. > >So > > > > persistent > > > > > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me >4/5 > > >years > > > > back. > > > > > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the >fear > >of > > > > black > > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> > > > > > <satva > > > > > > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM > > > > > [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members >will > >share > > > > with > > > > > khowledge on this topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Riz and Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the > >physical > > > > > > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable. > > > > > > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and > >people > > > > with > > > > > > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th > >house > > >and > > > > > > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, >4th or > >5th > > > > > > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can >to > >some > > > > > > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which >can > > > > border > > > > > > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for >other > > > > people > > > > > > based on wishes. > > > > > > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be > >entirely > > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satva , rizwan khan ><rizkhan_786> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> i dont agree with you > > > > > >> magic is fact and people do that > > > > > >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u >on > >this > > > > thing > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards > > > > > >> > > > > > >> bye > > > > > >> > > > > > >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > > > >> Hello Rizkhan > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like > >black-magic. A > > > > > > number of > > > > > >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their >problems > >due > > > > to > > > > > > black > > > > > >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were >made to > > > > > > understand that > > > > > >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human >life > >in > > >any > > > > > > way. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda > > > > experiment > > > > > > by the > > > > > >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved. > > > > > >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real > >causes/factors > > >and > > > > > > also > > > > > >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the > >myth is > > > > > > still > > > > > >> prevailing. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Good Wishes > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Raj Shekhar > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> " rizkhan_786 " <rizkhan_786> > > > > > >> <satva > > > > > > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM > > > > > >> [satva] i hope that all members will share >with > > > > khowledge > > > > > > on this > > > > > >> topic > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a > >layman > > > > > > determine > > > > > >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect >of > > >planets > > > > > > or some > > > > > >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact >that > >people > > > > do > > > > > > black > > > > > >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and >share > >their > > > > > > khowledge > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > thanks > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > regards > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > rizkhan > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Post message: satva > > > > > >> > Subscribe: satva- > > > > > >> > Un: satva- > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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