For Mr. Amar Puri

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Dear Amar

 

Raj Shekhar wrote ; "Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he wishes is not harmful to any human being."

Comments sought by Amar:

According to the above statement, is it to be understood that it is a one way street ? If it is so, Why ?

 

Comments:

 

It is not a one way street kinda mechanism. The concept of wishful-thinking or getting help from the inner super-consciousness is required to be understood to have a clear vision. In a layman's language, our mind functions on three levels viz. conscious, sub-conscious and super-conscious. The conscious level of mind deals with wordly matters like reading, walking, speaking, observing, watching, taking decisions etc. The conscious mind can further be classified into logical and imaginative. The right side of our brain possesses imaginative skills which we use to imagine, dream, emotion and the matters related to art and taste. The left side of our brain functions on purely logical basis such as doing our jobs/study, analysing things on facts without having any emotional boundation for the same. It can be said that everything that one has seen, watched, observed, felt, smelled, heard is automatically recorded in our sub-conscious mind on permanent basis and this is the very reason that during hypnotic trance a person can recall even minute things from his memory which he can not in conscious level. It is the sub-conscious mind, which, when in disturbed state, creates hallucinations and these hallucinations are often being observed as ghosts, tantrik kriyas, black-magic etc. For example, whenever a person encounters something which causes fear to him due to any reason, the sub-conscious mind immediately relates the very feeling of fear with those already existing, in the sub-conscious mind, as a past record. And in case the sub-conscious mind of such person is disturbed, he may have problems in defining the situation and, therefore, the concept of ghosts, tantrik-kriyas, black magic erupts.

As it is happening at present, a number of people and organisations are boasting of their skills to help a person in meditation, Kundalini awakening etc. which they do not even understand. The very first step of meditation is to reach at the sub-conscious level, which is very easy for any person, and then have a control over it so that it functions for the benefit of the person concerned (and this is the crux of the game). These so-called Gurus are just making a person to reach at the sub-conscious level, which anyone can without any help and understanding, and thereafter boasting of their exemplary skills. It is just like befooling a person of help which is not even required. The skill lies in understanding the functioning of sub-conscious mind, dealing with it carefully and programming for the benefit. Simply reaching at the stage is not of any importance. A number of persons are getting harmed in the process as such they do feel the unknown level of their mind but due to lack of proper understanding the feelings are either being killed or shattered. Therefore, when one encounter a disciple of such Guru he observes absence of any kind of feeling.

 

Feelings are the language of the soul and avoiding/shattering/killing them can only result in the really inhuman personalities living under the mis-conception of being the most-human.

 

It is after understanding the functioning of sub-conscious mind that a person reaches next level of super-consciousness where the concept of wishful thinking functions. At this level whatever one wishes comes true. But it is a very subtle plane and specifically deals with the person concerned. If one wishes for materialistic comforts at this level, which rarely happens, it may come true for him. But if he tries to harm any other person by thinking malice, the super-conscious mind makes it happen for the same person. In 99 per cent of cases, where a person understands and uses the skills of sub-conscious and super-conscious mind, he will never try to cause harm to anyone. He is bound to pray good for all because this is what the super-conscious mind (Soul) teaches to everyone, everytime, everywhere. The one percent can only assume that he has the power of doing harm to other person but actually, it is he getting harmed in the process. Due to strength of mind, he can survive long with such attitude, but at last he has to face the reality. It is due to this reason that one seldom observes a happy and joyeous Tantrik Mind.

 

The subject can not be covered even with all the material available on the earth but I have tried my best to summarise it.

 

Once one has that kind of Sidhi (Astral Power), one is free to use according to one's desire unconditionally.

Comments:

 

As already said once one has that kind of Sidhi in true sense, he will never use it for destructive matters as such the real meaning of Sidhi lies in positive and constructive approach and mere thinking of malice can destroy the Sidhi - the term which can be defined in numerous ways in every religion and sect.

 

Raj Shekhar

 

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Amar Puri

Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:41 AM

Re: Re: [satva] Topic of black magic.

Raj Shekhar wrote ; "Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he wishes is not harmful to any human being."According to the above statement, is it to be understood that it is a one way street ? If it is so, Why ?Once one has that kind of Sidhi (Astral Power), one is free to use according to one's desire unconditionally.Isn't it ?Your comments are invited, Dear Raj.Best wishes................Amar Puri.>"raj shekhar sharma" <rajshekhar.sharma> >>Re: Re: [satva] Topic of black magic.>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:10:01 +0530>>My Dear Amit,>>I know what you mean to communicate. I do believe in meditation, astral >travel, astral projection, mind reading, ESP, Hynotism, Out of Body >experiences and some times also practice personally.>I just wanna share with the group that>>Such things/practices can not cause harm to any person.>Such things/practices can not be used against the will of the person >concerned.>Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he wishes is >not harmful to any human being.>>Anyway thanks and regards to you for such a constructive approach.>>Raj Shekhar> -> amit_patnaik6> > Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:39 AM> Re: [satva] Topic of black magic.>>>> Dear Raj,> I shall answer more later, but to tell you, Coincidence is an event> occuring once a few times or a dozen times, not most times. Then its> not a coincidence anymore.> I will explain to you exactly what i mean later, as it seems you have> understood it very literally and hence misunderstood:)> Take care> AMit>> , "raj shekhar sharma"> <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:> > Respected Shri VKC, Amit and Rizkhan> >> > May this finds you all in best of health and spirits.> >> > Thanks Prof. VKC for your valuable guidacne. I have following to say> about Amit's views:> >> > People's believe in something is not sufficient enough to make that> matter a real one.> > We can believe in a lot of things as per our understanding and> intelligence, but it is not necessary for the thing to exist.> > Those who can propel wishful thinking can not independently> influence the other person without his willingness to be influenced.> > Secondly, it is only after a very high level of meditation that a> person can have intuitive powers/qualities and that too can not be> used to cause any harm, in any case.> > Very often, the thing called co-incident is used to describe such> things.> >> > Regards to all> >> > Raj Shekhar> >> >> > -> > amit_patnaik6> > > > Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM> > Re: [satva] Topic of black magic.> >> >> >> > Dear Professor,> >> > Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black> > magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or> > unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such> > situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based> > on the configuration i have mentioned.> > In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement> > of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment.> >> > In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity,> > faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel> > one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions.> > Regards> > Amit> >> > , <siha> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan,> > >> > > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house> > with weak> > > Mercury does create such situations where people believe events> > attributed> > > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and> > yet others> > > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So> > persistent> > > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 >years> > back.> > > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of> > black> > > magic.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com> > >> > >> > > -> > > "amit_patnaik6" <amit_patnaik6>> > > <satva >> > > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM> > > [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share> > with> > > khowledge on this topic> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hello Riz and Raj,> > > >> > > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical> > > > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable.> > > > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people> > with> > > > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house >and> > > > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th> > > > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some> > > > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can> > border> > > > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other> > people> > > > based on wishes.> > > > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely> > > > wrong.> > > >> > > > regards> > > > Amit> > > >> > > >> > > > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786>> > wrote:> > > >> i dont agree with you> > > >> magic is fact and people do that> > > >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this> > thing> > > >>> > > >> regards> > > >>> > > >> bye> > > >>> > > >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:> > > >> Hello Rizkhan> > > >>> > > >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits.> > > >>> > > >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A> > > > number of> > > >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due> > to> > > > black> > > >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to> > > > understand that> > > >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in >any> > > > way.> > > >>> > > >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda> > experiment> > > > by the> > > >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved.> > > >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors >and> > > > also> > > >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is> > > > still> > > >> prevailing.> > > >>> > > >> Good Wishes> > > >>> > > >> Raj Shekhar> > > >>> > > >> -> > > >> "rizkhan_786" <rizkhan_786>> > > >> <satva >> > > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM> > > >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with> > khowledge> > > > on this> > > >> topic> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman> > > > determine> > > >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of >planets> > > > or some> > > >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people> > do> > > > black> > > >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their> > > > khowledge> > > >> >> > > >> > thanks> > > >> >> > > >> > regards> > > >> >> > > >> > rizkhan> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Post message: satva > > > >> > Subscribe: satva- > > > >> > Un: satva- > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >