Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dear Dennis, The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in terms of quality and the content. You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and abrasive. It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in the 2nd house. Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the vaani or speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu can not make it melodious. Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice. Therefore : [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or haldi { turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to immerse it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron given to you has to be devided into three parts for immersing. In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you haldi or saffron. [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { yoghurt }. Sincerely, Priya , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Dear Priya, > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there any astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest? > Regards, > Dionisis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Dear Priya, This is very interesting. Can you,please,explain the following: a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my natal chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house?Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart?b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about haldi, so it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when explaning to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse (so no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya? Regards, Dionisis - Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis Dear Dennis,The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in terms of quality and the content.You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and abrasive. It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in the 2nd house.Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the vaani or speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu can not make it melodious.Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice.Therefore :[ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or haldi { turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to immerse it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron given to you has to be devided into three parts for immersing.In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you haldi or saffron.[ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { yoghurt }.Sincerely,Priya , "Dennis" <mprgrandmaster wrote:>> Dear Priya,> My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there any astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest?> Regards,> Dionisis> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Dear Dennis, [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any where.It stays as such. [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. Now if you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. Saturn { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus leaving venus behind. Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the 2nd house without having to disturb your natal venus. Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to gift you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the North East corner of your house. Sincerely, Priya , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Dear Priya, > This is very interesting. > Can you,please,explain the following: > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my natal chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house? Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart? > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about haldi, so it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when explaning to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse (so no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya? > Regards, > Dionisis > - > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > Dear Dennis, > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in terms > of quality and the content. > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and abrasive. > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in the > 2nd house. > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the vaani or > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu can > not make it melodious. > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice. > > Therefore : > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or haldi { > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to immerse > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron given to > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing. > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you haldi > or saffron. > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > yoghurt }. > > Sincerely, > > Priya > > , " Dennis " > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > Dear Priya, > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there any > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest? > > Regards, > > Dionisis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Dear Priya, There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and could ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do?Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be dome till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house shall become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house? Regards, Dionisis - Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis Dear Dennis,[ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any where.It stays as such.[ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. Now if you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. Saturn { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus leaving venus behind.Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the 2nd house without having to disturb your natal venus.Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to gift you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the North East corner of your house.Sincerely,Priya , "Dennis" <mprgrandmaster wrote:>> Dear Priya,> This is very interesting.> Can you,please,explain the following:> a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my natal chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house?Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart?> b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about haldi, so it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when explaning to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse (so no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya?> Regards,> Dionisis> - > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM> Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > Dear Dennis,> > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in terms > of quality and the content.> > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and abrasive. > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in the > 2nd house.> Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the vaani or > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu can > not make it melodious.> > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice.> > Therefore :> > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or haldi { > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to immerse > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron given to > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing.> > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you haldi > or saffron.> > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > yoghurt }.> > Sincerely,> > Priya> > , "Dennis" > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> >> > Dear Priya,> > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there any > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest?> > Regards,> > Dionisis> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Dear Dennis, [ 1 ] Saturn in the 2nd house signifies father-in-law. As a substitute I had suggested either a servant or a labourer. There is no further substitute to that. Nothing can be done till then. [ 2 ] Yes, after the upaya it will be venus left in the 2nd house. And yes, you will be deprived of the results of saturn in the 2nd. But you can not have the cake and eat it too. Sincerely, Priya , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Dear Priya, > There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and could ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do? Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be dome till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house shall become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house? > Regards, > Dionisis > > - > > > Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > Dear Dennis, > > [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant > speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any > where.It stays as such. > > [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn in > the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. > Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. Now if > you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two > constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. Saturn > { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus leaving > venus behind. > Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the 2nd > house without having to disturb your natal venus. > > Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to gift > you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the North > East corner of your house. > > Sincerely, > > Priya > > , " Dennis " > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > Dear Priya, > > This is very interesting. > > Can you,please,explain the following: > > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious > voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my natal > chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house? > Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart? > > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about haldi, so > it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when explaning > to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse (so > no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya? > > Regards, > > Dionisis > > - > > > > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in > terms > > of quality and the content. > > > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and > abrasive. > > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in > the > > 2nd house. > > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the vaani > or > > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu > can > > not make it melodious. > > > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice. > > > > Therefore : > > > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or > haldi { > > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to > immerse > > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron given > to > > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing. > > > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you > haldi > > or saffron. > > > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > > yoghurt }. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Priya > > > > , " Dennis " > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Priya, > > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there > any > > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest? > > > Regards, > > > Dionisis > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Dear Priya, Is it possible that you ,even briefly, state the gifts of Saturn im second house ao that I can decide whether I sould keep Saturn or Venus in this house?What is your opinion?Regards, Dionisis - Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:13 AM Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis Dear Dennis,[ 1 ] Saturn in the 2nd house signifies father-in-law. As a substitute I had suggested either a servant or a labourer. There is no further substitute to that. Nothing can be done till then.[ 2 ] Yes, after the upaya it will be venus left in the 2nd house. And yes, you will be deprived of the results of saturn in the 2nd. But you can not have the cake and eat it too.Sincerely,Priya , "Dennis" <mprgrandmaster wrote:>> Dear Priya,> There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and could ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do?Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be dome till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house shall become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house?> Regards,> Dionisis> > - > > > Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM> Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > Dear Dennis,> > [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant > speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any > where.It stays as such.> > [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn in > the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. > Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. Now if > you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two > constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. Saturn > { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus leaving > venus behind.> Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the 2nd > house without having to disturb your natal venus.> > Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to gift > you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the North > East corner of your house.> > Sincerely,> > Priya> > , "Dennis" > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> >> > Dear Priya,> > This is very interesting.> > Can you,please,explain the following:> > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious > voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my natal > chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house?> Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart?> > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about haldi, so > it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when explaning > to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse (so > no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya?> > Regards,> > Dionisis> > - > > > > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM> > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > > > > Dear Dennis,> > > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in > terms > > of quality and the content.> > > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and > abrasive. > > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in > the > > 2nd house.> > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the vaani > or > > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu > can > > not make it melodious.> > > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice.> > > > Therefore :> > > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or > haldi { > > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to > immerse > > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron given > to > > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing.> > > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you > haldi > > or saffron.> > > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > > yoghurt }.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Priya> > > > , "Dennis" > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Priya,> > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there > any > > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest?> > > Regards,> > > Dionisis> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Dear Dennis, Your query has been asnwered on your e-mail. Check it out. Sincerely, Priya , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Dear Priya, > Is it possible that you ,even briefly, state the gifts of Saturn im second house ao that I can decide whether I sould keep Saturn or Venus in this house?What is your opinion? > Regards, > Dionisis > - > > > Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:13 AM > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > Dear Dennis, > > [ 1 ] Saturn in the 2nd house signifies father-in-law. As a > substitute I had suggested either a servant or a labourer. There is > no further substitute to that. Nothing can be done till then. > [ 2 ] Yes, after the upaya it will be venus left in the 2nd house. > And yes, you will be deprived of the results of saturn in the 2nd. > But you can not have the cake and eat it too. > > Sincerely, > > Priya > > , " Dennis " > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > Dear Priya, > > There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and could > ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do? > Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be dome > till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house shall > become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me > loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house? > > Regards, > > Dionisis > > > > - > > > > > > Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant > > speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any > > where.It stays as such. > > > > [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn > in > > the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. > > Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. > Now if > > you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two > > constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. > Saturn > > { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus > leaving > > venus behind. > > Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the > 2nd > > house without having to disturb your natal venus. > > > > Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to > gift > > you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the > North > > East corner of your house. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Priya > > > > , " Dennis " > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Priya, > > > This is very interesting. > > > Can you,please,explain the following: > > > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious > > voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my > natal > > chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house? > > Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart? > > > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about > haldi, so > > it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when > explaning > > to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse > (so > > no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya? > > > Regards, > > > Dionisis > > > - > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM > > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in > > terms > > > of quality and the content. > > > > > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and > > abrasive. > > > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in > > the > > > 2nd house. > > > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the > vaani > > or > > > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > > > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu > > can > > > not make it melodious. > > > > > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice. > > > > > > Therefore : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or > > haldi { > > > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to > > immerse > > > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron > given > > to > > > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing. > > > > > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you > > haldi > > > or saffron. > > > > > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > > > yoghurt }. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Priya, > > > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there > > any > > > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest? > > > > Regards, > > > > Dionisis > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Dear Priya, The qualities give by saturn in the second house as described by you are certainly manifesting in my life and personality.They seem important to me as I am interested many in spirituality. The main reason I want to have a melodius voice is spiritual purposes but I think I should not sacrifice the power of Saturn for that. I do not know for sure but I feel it is such an important gift that Saturn ,who is a very "difficult " planet , for whom is said that "No planet can give as much as Saturn", s wel placed and strong in my natal chart .Please give your opinion Regards, Dionisis P.S.Is there an behavior that turns Saturn malefic/benefic?Should I do any upaya to streghten more my Saturn? - Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:32 PM Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis Dear Dennis,Your query has been asnwered on your e-mail. Check it out.Sincerely,Priya , "Dennis" <mprgrandmaster wrote:>> Dear Priya,> Is it possible that you ,even briefly, state the gifts of Saturn im second house ao that I can decide whether I sould keep Saturn or Venus in this house?What is your opinion?> Regards,> Dionisis> - > > > Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:13 AM> Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > Dear Dennis,> > [ 1 ] Saturn in the 2nd house signifies father-in-law. As a > substitute I had suggested either a servant or a labourer. There is > no further substitute to that. Nothing can be done till then.> [ 2 ] Yes, after the upaya it will be venus left in the 2nd house. > And yes, you will be deprived of the results of saturn in the 2nd. > But you can not have the cake and eat it too.> > Sincerely,> > Priya> > , "Dennis" > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> >> > Dear Priya,> > There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and could > ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do?> Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be dome > till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house shall > become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me > loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house?> > Regards,> > Dionisis> > > > - > > > > > > Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM> > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > > > > Dear Dennis,> > > > [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant > > speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any > > where.It stays as such.> > > > [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn > in > > the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. > > Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. > Now if > > you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two > > constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. > Saturn > > { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus > leaving > > venus behind.> > Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the > 2nd > > house without having to disturb your natal venus.> > > > Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to > gift > > you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the > North > > East corner of your house.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Priya> > > > , "Dennis" > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Priya,> > > This is very interesting.> > > Can you,please,explain the following:> > > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious > > voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my > natal > > chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house?> > Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart?> > > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about > haldi, so > > it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when > explaning > > to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse > (so > > no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya?> > > Regards,> > > Dionisis> > > - > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM> > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis,> > > > > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in > > terms > > > of quality and the content.> > > > > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and > > abrasive. > > > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in > > the > > > 2nd house.> > > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the > vaani > > or > > > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > > > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu > > can > > > not make it melodious.> > > > > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice.> > > > > > Therefore :> > > > > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or > > haldi { > > > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to > > immerse > > > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron > given > > to > > > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing.> > > > > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you > > haldi > > > or saffron.> > > > > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > > > yoghurt }.> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > Priya> > > > > > , "Dennis" > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Priya,> > > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there > > any > > > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest?> > > > Regards,> > > > Dionisis> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Dear Dennis, In order that your Saturn stays benefic you should: [ 1 ] Not eat fish and take liquor. [ 2 ] Not hurt snakes [ 3 ] Respect your uncles. [ 4 ] Should always pay the full wages of labourers or servants and always respect them. [ 5 ] Should not apply any kind of oil or oil product on your forehead. Sincerely, Priya , <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Dear Priya, > The qualities give by saturn in the second house as described by you are certainly manifesting in my life and personality.They seem important to me as I am interested many in spirituality. The main reason I want to have a melodius voice is spiritual purposes but I think I should not sacrifice the power of Saturn for that. I do not know for sure but I feel it is such an important gift that Saturn ,who is a very " difficult " planet , for whom is said that " No planet can give as much as Saturn " , s wel placed and strong in my natal chart .Please give your opinion > Regards, > Dionisis > P.S.Is there an behavior that turns Saturn malefic/benefic?Should I do any upaya to streghten more my Saturn? > - > > > Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:32 PM > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > Dear Dennis, > > Your query has been asnwered on your e-mail. Check it out. > > Sincerely, > > Priya > > , " Dennis " > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > Dear Priya, > > Is it possible that you ,even briefly, state the gifts of Saturn > im second house ao that I can decide whether I sould keep Saturn or > Venus in this house?What is your opinion? > > Regards, > > Dionisis > > - > > > > > > Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:13 AM > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > [ 1 ] Saturn in the 2nd house signifies father-in-law. As a > > substitute I had suggested either a servant or a labourer. There > is > > no further substitute to that. Nothing can be done till then. > > [ 2 ] Yes, after the upaya it will be venus left in the 2nd > house. > > And yes, you will be deprived of the results of saturn in the > 2nd. > > But you can not have the cake and eat it too. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Priya > > > > , " Dennis " > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Priya, > > > There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and > could > > ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do? > > Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be > dome > > till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house > shall > > become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me > > loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house? > > > Regards, > > > Dionisis > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM > > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > > > [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant > > > speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus > any > > > where.It stays as such. > > > > > > [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for > Saturn > > in > > > the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + > jupiter. > > > Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. > > Now if > > > you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two > > > constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. > > Saturn > > > { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus > > leaving > > > venus behind. > > > Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the > > 2nd > > > house without having to disturb your natal venus. > > > > > > Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to > > gift > > > you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the > > North > > > East corner of your house. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Priya, > > > > This is very interesting. > > > > Can you,please,explain the following: > > > > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious > > > voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my > > natal > > > chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house? > > > Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart? > > > > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about > > haldi, so > > > it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when > > explaning > > > to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a > spouse > > (so > > > no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the > upaya? > > > > Regards, > > > > Dionisis > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM > > > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > > > > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both > in > > > terms > > > > of quality and the content. > > > > > > > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and > > > abrasive. > > > > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn > in > > > the > > > > 2nd house. > > > > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the > > vaani > > > or > > > > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to > some > > > > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even > ketu > > > can > > > > not make it melodious. > > > > > > > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice. > > > > > > > > Therefore : > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or > > > haldi { > > > > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to > > > immerse > > > > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron > > given > > > to > > > > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing. > > > > > > > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift > you > > > haldi > > > > or saffron. > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds > { > > > > yoghurt }. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Priya, > > > > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is > there > > > any > > > > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest? > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Dionisis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Priya Namaskar, I would really like to say something about melodious voice and spirituality. My voice is not good - for singing, it is like i am tone deaf! But recently when I saw my Guru she spoke about this. And said the most important thing is to sing from your heart. Many people do not have a sweet voice - but they have a sweet heart and that is what is important. with much love su mprgrandmaster wrote: Dear Priya, The qualities give by saturn in the second house as described by you are certainly manifesting in my life and personality.They seem important to me as I am interested many in spirituality. The main reason I want to have a melodius voice is spiritual purposes but I think I should not sacrifice the power of Saturn for that. I do not know for sure but I feel it is such an important gift that Saturn ,who is a very "difficult " planet , for whom is said that "No planet can give as much as Saturn", s wel placed and strong in my natal chart .Please give your opinion Regards, Dionisis P.S.Is there an behavior that turns Saturn malefic/benefic?Should I do any upaya to streghten more my Saturn? - Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:32 PM Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis Dear Dennis,Your query has been asnwered on your e-mail. Check it out.Sincerely,Priya , "Dennis" <mprgrandmaster wrote:>> Dear Priya,> Is it possible that you ,even briefly, state the gifts of Saturn im second house ao that I can decide whether I sould keep Saturn or Venus in this house?What is your opinion?> Regards,> Dionisis> - > > > Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:13 AM> Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > Dear Dennis,> > [ 1 ] Saturn in the 2nd house signifies father-in-law. As a > substitute I had suggested either a servant or a labourer. There is > no further substitute to that. Nothing can be done till then.> [ 2 ] Yes, after the upaya it will be venus left in the 2nd house. > And yes, you will be deprived of the results of saturn in the 2nd. > But you can not have the cake and eat it too.> > Sincerely,> > Priya> > , "Dennis" > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> >> > Dear Priya,> > There is no labourer around me with whom I am familiar and could > ask him/her for some haldi.So, is there nothing else I cold do?> Should I wait to find a labourer?Is there nothing that can be dome > till then?Also, if I do this upaya , Saturn in my second house shall > become Venus in my second house but will that not result in me > loosing the benefic gifts of Saturn placed in the second house?> > Regards,> > Dionisis> > > > - > > > > > > Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:27 PM> > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > > > > Dear Dennis,> > > > [ 1 ] Yes I said that venus in the 2nd house gives a pleasant > > speech. But I never said that I am going to shift your venus any > > where.It stays as such.> > > > [ 2 ] Yes, haldi is a karak of jupiter. The upaya is for Saturn > in > > the 2nd house. Saturn consists of two planets : venus + jupiter. > > Saturn is a karak of father-in-law, or servant or a labourer. > Now if > > you ask any of them to gift you haldi, that means of the two > > constituents jupiter will be taken away leaving venus behind. > Saturn > > { servant or a labourer} gives to you jupiter { haldi } thus > leaving > > venus behind.> > Therefore the upaya basically means establishing venus in the > 2nd > > house without having to disturb your natal venus.> > > > Therefore ask any labourer { one who works for daily wages} to > gift > > you haldi. This you can either immerse or keep with you in the > North > > East corner of your house.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Priya> > > > , "Dennis" > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Priya,> > > This is very interesting.> > > Can you,please,explain the following:> > > a)You say Venus in the 2nd bhava would give me melodious > > voice.B\ut, if I move my Venus from the house she has in my > natal > > chart, will I not loose Her benefits frm beig in that house?> > Actually, in which house is She in my natal chart?> > > b)About the first upaya you reccomend:It has to do about > haldi, so > > it is about Jupiter,right?You did not mention Jupiter when > explaning > > to me the situation .Also, at the moment I have neither a spouse > (so > > no father-in-law), nor servants.So,how should perform the upaya?> > > Regards,> > > Dionisis> > > - > > > > > > > > > Friday, December 08, 2006 7:17 PM> > > Re: Melodious voice >>>>> Dennis> > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis,> > > > > > The 2nd house is the significator of voice { vaani }, both in > > terms > > > of quality and the content.> > > > > > You have Saturn in the 2nd house. Saturn is dark,bleak and > > abrasive. > > > It will be too much to expect a melodious voice with saturn in > > the > > > 2nd house.> > > Since Ketu has also joined saturn after bhav spashth, the > vaani > > or > > > speech would have spiritual content. Ketu would have, to some > > > degree, moderated the abrasiveness of the speech but even ketu > > can > > > not make it melodious.> > > > > > Venus in the 2nd would give a very melodious voice.> > > > > > Therefore :> > > > > > [ 1 ] Ask your father-in-law to gift you a little saffron or > > haldi { > > > turmeric } which you should immerse in a river. You have to > > immerse > > > it on three days regularly. Therefore the haldi or saffron > given > > to > > > you has to be devided into three parts for immersing.> > > > > > In case you are not married, then ask any servant to gift you > > haldi > > > or saffron.> > > > > > [ 2 ] Offer at a temple, as often as you can, a little curds { > > > yoghurt }.> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > Priya> > > > > > , "Dennis" > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Priya,> > > > My voive really lacks melody and I can hardly sing.Is there > > any > > > astrological reason for that?Any upaya to suggest?> > > > Regards,> > > > Dionisis> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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