~TO NAHATA JAY JI,Respeced Rajinder ji , priya ji and lalkitabi ji ~

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Respected Nahata jay jiAs u say that ------------- if woman is working, staying alone or divorcee,etc.I want to clear that in which line this is written that if she is working or staying alone then her kundli will be indipendent?After the death of husband or divorce or even this is ridiculous to hear that in the case of Multi-Husbands ,aurat ka tevaa belihaaz hogaa.But i accept ur words, bcoz that time has gone when females were in PARDA.they had not their own status for society apart husband.So now females has their own social impacts of kundli.Fir bhi agar aap gaur se priya ji aur unke husband ki kundlis ko dekhenge to aurat ki kundli BAHAM BELIHAZ nahi hai. & working lady's kundli will be totally independent to analyze-- it is also not fare.Bcoz lalkitab says --- aurat jab tak shadi na hui tab tak apne teve per chalti rahi aur shadi ke baad mard ke teve ka asar dono per haavi

hota rahaa.So according to lalkitab -- i can accept totally ur view in the case of that society where no boundations to make phisical relations each other among males & females.It can be in europian countries ,any elite society or any non-elite society. Now here starts the topic of disscussion------

 

1.after marriage wat should do by an astrologer in the case of a female, who is neither divorced nor widow & her family life is satisfactory even she lives away for months from her husband & their is no kid. They want a kid

2.At other side the topic will stand that IF HUSBAND MAY BE JOBLESS FROM 4 YEARS no more activity in society & SITTING AT HOME & WIFE IS WORKING ,EARNING MONEY ,there r no desputes due to the jobless condition of husband but they have no kid & want a kid ,THEN IN THIS SITUATION whose kundli should be analyzed-------aurat ka tevaa mard ke teve per haavi hogaa ya nahi,

nahata Jay ji here u must remmeber- ur words SPECIALLY that - if woman is working ......

 

Nahata jay ji - is vishay per aapka kyaa chintan hai lalkitab ke mutabik ? & i welcome the views of other members also at this topic

 

WITH DUE RESPECT & BEST REGARDS

LALKITABEE

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LalKitabee Jee,

The questions you've raised are quite valid but I wonder if any of us knows the correct answers. My method is to check the horoscope of both the spouses.

 

Here is my reason. (And I don't know if my logic is correct.) I encountered a situation where a muslim gentleman has three wives. The youngest one is given a special treatment and the oldest one's life is turned to hell because she couldn't beget him a child. The oldest one, (medically) unable to bear a child - a fact confirmed astrologically also from her horoscope - permitted the husband to marry the second time - (the second wife died later on.) The third one, much younger, bore him two sons (astrologically confirmed also) and she rules now. The same two women living under the same roof, each has a different lifestyle yet they are both married to the same man. His horoscope may have been the dominating one but then it should dominate both of them equally well or equally badly. Based on that, I decided to look at each horoscope individually although I do keep the "domination principle" in the back of my mind just in

case. Incidentally, being a strict muslim family, there is no alcohol involved.

Interesting?

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatialalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

 

Respected Nahata jay jiAs u say that ------------- if woman is working, staying alone or divorcee,etc.I want to clear that in which line this is written that if she is working or staying alone then her kundli will be indipendent?After the death of husband or divorce or even this is ridiculous to hear that in the case of Multi-Husbands ,aurat ka tevaa belihaaz hogaa.But i accept ur words, bcoz that time has gone when females were in PARDA.they had not their own status for society apart husband.So now females has their own social impacts of kundli.Fir bhi agar aap gaur se priya ji aur unke husband ki kundlis ko dekhenge to aurat ki kundli BAHAM BELIHAZ nahi hai. & working lady's kundli will be totally independent to analyze-- it is also not fare.Bcoz lalkitab says --- aurat jab tak shadi na hui tab tak apne teve per chalti rahi aur shadi ke baad mard ke teve ka asar dono per haavi

hota rahaa.So according to lalkitab -- i can accept totally ur view in the case of that society where no boundations to make phisical relations each other among males & females.It can be in europian countries ,any elite society or any non-elite society. Now here starts the topic of disscussion------

 

1.after marriage wat should do by an astrologer in the case of a female, who is neither divorced nor widow & her family life is satisfactory even she lives away for months from her husband & their is no kid. They want a kid

2.At other side the topic will stand that IF HUSBAND MAY BE JOBLESS FROM 4 YEARS no more activity in society & SITTING AT HOME & WIFE IS WORKING ,EARNING MONEY ,there r no desputes due to the jobless condition of husband but they have no kid & want a kid ,THEN IN THIS SITUATION whose kundli should be analyzed-------aurat ka tevaa mard ke teve per haavi hogaa ya nahi,

nahata Jay ji here u must remmeber- ur words SPECIALLY that - if woman is working ......

 

Nahata jay ji - is vishay per aapka kyaa chintan hai lalkitab ke mutabik ? & i welcome the views of other members also at this topic

 

WITH DUE RESPECT & BEST REGARDS

LALKITABEE

[Guest guest]

Dear Lal Kitabee ji,

 

I request you to kindly go through the chapter"kiska tewa prabal hoga aurat ka yaa mard ka" of LK once again. Moreover agreement of scholar of high stature like Rajinder ji is another supportive consideration for this.

 

Best regards

 

Jailalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

 

Respected Nahata jay jiAs u say that ------------- if woman is working, staying alone or divorcee,etc.I want to clear that in which line this is written that if she is working or staying alone then her kundli will be indipendent?After the death of husband or divorce or even this is ridiculous to hear that in the case of Multi-Husbands ,aurat ka tevaa belihaaz hogaa.But i accept ur words, bcoz that time has gone when females were in PARDA.they had not their own status for society apart husband.So now females has their own social impacts of kundli.Fir bhi agar aap gaur se priya ji aur unke husband ki kundlis ko dekhenge to aurat ki kundli BAHAM BELIHAZ nahi hai. & working lady's kundli will be totally independent to analyze-- it is also not fare.Bcoz lalkitab says --- aurat jab tak shadi na hui tab tak apne teve per chalti rahi aur shadi ke baad mard ke teve ka asar dono per haavi

hota rahaa.So according to lalkitab -- i can accept totally ur view in the case of that society where no boundations to make phisical relations each other among males & females.It can be in europian countries ,any elite society or any non-elite society. Now here starts the topic of disscussion------

 

1.after marriage wat should do by an astrologer in the case of a female, who is neither divorced nor widow & her family life is satisfactory even she lives away for months from her husband & their is no kid. They want a kid

2.At other side the topic will stand that IF HUSBAND MAY BE JOBLESS FROM 4 YEARS no more activity in society & SITTING AT HOME & WIFE IS WORKING ,EARNING MONEY ,there r no desputes due to the jobless condition of husband but they have no kid & want a kid ,THEN IN THIS SITUATION whose kundli should be analyzed-------aurat ka tevaa mard ke teve per haavi hogaa ya nahi,

nahata Jay ji here u must remmeber- ur words SPECIALLY that - if woman is working ......

 

Nahata jay ji - is vishay per aapka kyaa chintan hai lalkitab ke mutabik ? & i welcome the views of other members also at this topic

 

WITH DUE RESPECT & BEST REGARDS

LALKITABEE

[Guest guest]

Iqbal Jee,

The joke goes - a guy died and went to the heavens. The good Lord was in a hurry to get someplace and rather than checking his database He asked the guy "Were you married while you were on the earth?Yes Lord," he sighed. The good Lord said, "I think you deserve to go to heavens, you've suffered enough already" and directed him towards the Heavens. The same thing with the next one, the same reply and the same reward. There was a smart one standing in the queue and was overhearing all this. He decided to get something better and when asked the question he responded, "Yes my Lord, I was married twice.Why what happened?" he was asked. "Well, Lord, the first one died and I remarried; I suffered twice as much as the others." "Take him to hell," came the verdict. "Why my Lord, why must I go to hell?" he tried to appeal. "We do have a soft corners for those who suffered, but no consideration for the dumb fools like you. We gave you a chance and

you didn't take advantage of it. Guards, take him away."

 

Now turning to the astrological part of it. I don't have the horoscopes handy (of the gentleman who got married thrice. This was about 8-9 years ago; it must be in one of the boxes) but I distinctly remember that he had his Venus in the fourth - whereby he had two (or more) wives. The older wife had her Venus in the 2nd with sixth and the eighth unoccupied which made her a prime candidate for being unable to bear children. I don't think we ever made the horoscope of the second (already dead by then) wife. A word to the wise here - this does NOT mean that those who have multiple marriages will have their Venus in the fourth or, the ones with the Venus in the fourth will be involved with another woman. I don't want to start the Third world war here - there are various other factors that make or break this from happening.

In answer to your second question, alcohol is alcohol, be it wine or champagne or 150 proof grain alcohol. And whether they sip a drop or drink the whole keg, the effect is the same.

 

The third query about the "long term relationship" is a tough one to answer. This is a topic for research. I have come across a couple of horoscopes where such things were taking place but I never thought about it from a research standpoint.

 

I don't know if I answered your questions or muddied the waters further.

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

Iqbal <punjabilovebug wrote:

 

Respected Bhatia Ji,

 

Three wives? Most of us have trouble dealing with, or at least finding one. Out of curiosity, in this Muslim brother's tewa, what kinds of things reflected that he would have three wives. Was there anything that would suggest such a thing? I'm curious from a multiple-marriage perspective as I have not had an opportunity to study a tewa of someone with this type of marriage setup.

 

Second, on the question of a wife drinking alcohol, these days it is common for many Indian women to drink wine or champagne. While it is not hard liquor, does that also break away their respective tewas from their husbands?

 

Lastly, what about long-term relationships where marriage is not involved. Sexual relations may occur, and for what duration do those relations need to exist between two people before their horoscopes start to affect one another - because, for all intensive purposes they may be living as husband and wife but without the solemnization of marriage.

 

Sincerely,

IqbalRajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

 

LalKitabee Jee,

The questions you've raised are quite valid but I wonder if any of us knows the correct answers. My method is to check the horoscope of both the spouses.

 

Here is my reason. (And I don't know if my logic is correct.) I encountered a situation where a muslim gentleman has three wives. The youngest one is given a special treatment and the oldest one's life is turned to hell because she couldn't beget him a child. The oldest one, (medically) unable to bear a child - a fact confirmed astrologically also from her horoscope - permitted the husband to marry the second time - (the second wife died later on.) The third one, much younger, bore him two sons (astrologically confirmed also) and she rules now. The same two women living under the same roof, each has a different lifestyle yet they are both married to the same man. His horoscope may have been the dominating one but then it should dominate both of them equally well or equally badly. Based on that, I decided to look at each horoscope individually although I do keep the "domination principle" in the back of my mind just in

case. Incidentally, being a strict muslim family, there is no alcohol involved.

Interesting?

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatialalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

 

Respected Nahata jay jiAs u say that ------------- if woman is working, staying alone or divorcee,etc.I want to clear that in which line this is written that if she is working or staying alone then her kundli will be indipendent?After the death of husband or divorce or even this is ridiculous to hear that in the case of Multi-Husbands ,aurat ka tevaa belihaaz hogaa.But i accept ur words, bcoz that time has gone when females were in PARDA.they had not their own status for society apart husband.So now females has their own social impacts of kundli.Fir bhi agar aap gaur se priya ji aur unke husband ki kundlis ko dekhenge to aurat ki kundli BAHAM BELIHAZ nahi hai. & working lady's kundli will be totally independent to analyze-- it is also not fare.Bcoz lalkitab says --- aurat jab tak shadi na hui tab tak apne teve per chalti rahi aur shadi ke baad mard ke teve ka asar dono per haavi

hota rahaa.So according to lalkitab -- i can accept totally ur view in the case of that society where no boundations to make phisical relations each other among males & females.It can be in europian countries ,any elite society or any non-elite society. Now here starts the topic of disscussion------

 

1.after marriage wat should do by an astrologer in the case of a female, who is neither divorced nor widow & her family life is satisfactory even she lives away for months from her husband & their is no kid. They want a kid

2.At other side the topic will stand that IF HUSBAND MAY BE JOBLESS FROM 4 YEARS no more activity in society & SITTING AT HOME & WIFE IS WORKING ,EARNING MONEY ,there r no desputes due to the jobless condition of husband but they have no kid & want a kid ,THEN IN THIS SITUATION whose kundli should be analyzed-------aurat ka tevaa mard ke teve per haavi hogaa ya nahi,

nahata Jay ji here u must remmeber- ur words SPECIALLY that - if woman is working ......

 

Nahata jay ji - is vishay per aapka kyaa chintan hai lalkitab ke mutabik ? & i welcome the views of other members also at this topic

 

WITH DUE RESPECT & BEST REGARDS

LALKITABEE

[Guest guest]

Respected Nahta jay jiI think u read my letter's few lines only.thanks for giving the refernce of that chapter but please write those line according to lalkitab ,where is written if woman is working, staying alone, As conclusion there is no line like this ,even i also except ur criteria & Im not arguing ur virews or denying ur views.I accept ur criteria according to the reference of last line mard aur aurat ki jodi ka milna aur tootna kismat ke maidaan main jaroor fark degaa.Lekin kai dafaa bagair toote bhi ya bagair mile milaye bhi kismat ki dorangiyaan dekhne main aayengi ,lekin nihaayat hi kam tadaad main aur veh bhi us vakt jab aisi jodi ki khuraak main shani ki cheejon ki lehrain ya pitri rin ka toofaan thathain maar rahaa hogaa.

This is y that Rajinder ji said that

 

Friends,

Please add another factor which will cause the wife's horoscope to work independently from the husband's - if she consumes alcohol (unless expressly prescribed by a physician for medical reasons

 

But while i was reading few years ago & thinking at that reference which u indicated under the heading - kiska tewa prabal hoga aurat ka yaa mard ka". a disscussion started in my mind & i expressed in this group .So Please read again my letter & we can make a disscuss at the topics. & i want to say that i felt that u have also a hidden stature of true astrologer which is full of knowledge & according to that i asked from according ur assert if woman is working, staying alone.Please read the lines of rajinder ji's massage 5969.Where he is supportive to my views according to the topic of disscussion.If u feel i asked from a wrong person & hurted imotions of u,sorry for that.I feel yesss like the stature of rajinder ji can share views at this topic only not everyone.

With humble regards

lalkitabee

[Guest guest]

Mr. Nahata, Shri LalKitabee, BhooshanPriya Jee And Friends,

Please don't address me as a scholar or a senior member etc. Everyone who helps in solving other's problems, by his/her LalKitabic knowledge is a scholar in true sense of the term.

 

Let us not create any controversies and continue our participation to the best of our abilities within the parameters of our limitations.

 

My sugestion is to stop this topic right here and continue discussing whatever else we need to, about the marriage topic.

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:

Respected Lal Kitabee ji,With due respect to you please let me express myapology for not being comprehensive to you. Sir, byaddressing Rajinderji as a scholar I never meantanything less for you or Priya ji or anyone else. Here would you be kind enough to clarify me onfollowing lines"If u feel i asked from a 'wrong person' & hurtedimotions of u,sorry for that.I feel yesss like thestature of rajinder ji can share views at this topiconly not 'everyone'."Regarding new discussion on the same topic I extend mysupport. Best regardsJai

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhatia ji & Friends,

 

Agrreing with you I request all the members to focus on our new topic of discussion - relationships. In this regard I have following things in mind

 

How to analyse multiple marriages ?

How to analyse pre-marital or post-marital affairs ?

Love or Arranged marriage ?

Long term fruitful friendship.

 

Lets discuss on these topics one after another. And consolidate and synchronise our knowdledge on them.

 

Best regards

 

Jai

Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

 

 

Mr. Nahata, Shri LalKitabee, BhooshanPriya Jee And Friends,

Please don't address me as a scholar or a senior member etc. Everyone who helps in solving other's problems, by his/her LalKitabic knowledge is a scholar in true sense of the term.

 

Let us not create any controversies and continue our participation to the best of our abilities within the parameters of our limitations.

 

My sugestion is to stop this topic right here and continue discussing whatever else we need to, about the marriage topic.

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:

Respected Lal Kitabee ji,With due respect to you please let me express myapology for not being comprehensive to you. Sir, byaddressing Rajinderji as a scholar I never meantanything less for you or Priya ji or anyone else. Here would you be kind enough to clarify me onfollowing lines"If u feel i asked from a 'wrong person' & hurtedimotions of u,sorry for that.I feel yesss like thestature of rajinder ji can share views at this topiconly not 'everyone'."Regarding new discussion on the same topic I extend mysupport. Best regardsJai