Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Respected Rajinder ji, Thanks for supporting my initiation although indirectly. Sir, I know it was first written in 1939 and last edition came in 1952 with 1171 pages but I beg to disagree with anyone that this system was developed then only. Here at this point I don't want to enter into any debate but I will request all the revered members to kindly go through few Nadi granths and observe their technique. You will get a glimpse of LK there. But let me also add that LK is one of the most advanced systems but we are doing injustice to it by being rigid with technicalities of it. For instance what reply do LK have for twins. I have a chart in which twins are born with difference of 4 minutes. One survivied and another died within 3-4 days. These case studies should make us sit collectively and realise full potential of LK now. Fuelling a new research is what is intended by the mail. And it has to be collective effort as no single person can be 100% on anything. I request people of your stature to come forward and show us the way to enrich Lk with observation, analysis and experimentation. I hope this initiative will get support of all you revered members. Thanks in advance, Best regards JaiRajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: Respected Friends, I take strong exception to the statement ",,,LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea..." This statement is absolutely not justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab is. And many of you will agree with the statement about LalKitab "jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh..." "LK was written way back..." No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the "list" (attached Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all over the book. "New" and "modern" topics, just as in the case of Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new topics. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote: Dear Bhupinder ji, This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with these. Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the learned community and to fuel a new research in this important direction. I hope you will appreciate my concern. Best regards Jaybhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic isthe Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> since then. Many things which would have been even> unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> in LK and no indication is given but these things> have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> of the issues are > > Bankruptcy> Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus> could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.> > I have just name a few and list could be endless but> inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with.> > Best regards> > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nahata Jee, A few months back, we discussed in this forum, the horoscopes of twins. LalKitab is perhaps the only astrological system that addresses this topic. Pt Lalkitabee Jee, I and some others got into this discussion, at length. Please do look in the archives. Having looked into more details than many others, I am firmly convinced, rightly or wrongly, that LalKitab is an independent system. Of course, it borrows the techniques of Vedic astrology when it comes to making of a horoscope but once the horoscope is charted, a uniqueness is introduced - "raashee ChhoD nakshattar bhoola, naa hee koyee panchaang liyaa..." So to that extent, it owes its origin to Vedic astrology. The properties of the twelve houses do differ in many respects versus traditional astrology as do the entities and effects belonging to different planets. The aspects and the yogas (combinations) differ radically too. Similarly, some of the techniques may be somewhat similar to Nadi but the actual implementation of those techniques as applied in LalKitab is unique. Pandit Roop Chand Jee developed it independently with, of course, some divine guidance, some intuition and lots of hard work. Again, my intention is not to deride the achievements of Vedic, Nadi or KP systems - these were formulated by God-gifted sages and geniuses (genii?) and who am I to comment on those? But just as those systems have their own peculiarities and interdependence of certain techniques, so does LalKitab. Most of us have experienced that everytime we read Lalkitab, we get better understanding and find meanings that were hidden or masked before. Initial readings can be frustrating and may seem overly simplified, yet the more one reads, the more one derives out of it. I personally feel that one life-time is not enough to understand this system. It is not a solicitation in any way, shape or form but for detailed background of LalKitab, I'd recommend that you look at www.OriginalLalKitab.com. The website has been dormant for a long time, but the background material contained there is worthy of attention of every LalKitab enthusiast. Respectfully, Rajinder BhatiaJay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote: Respected Rajinder ji, Thanks for supporting my initiation although indirectly. Sir, I know it was first written in 1939 and last edition came in 1952 with 1171 pages but I beg to disagree with anyone that this system was developed then only. Here at this point I don't want to enter into any debate but I will request all the revered members to kindly go through few Nadi granths and observe their technique. You will get a glimpse of LK there. But let me also add that LK is one of the most advanced systems but we are doing injustice to it by being rigid with technicalities of it. For instance what reply do LK have for twins. I have a chart in which twins are born with difference of 4 minutes. One survivied and another died within 3-4 days. These case studies should make us sit collectively and realise full potential of LK now. Fuelling a new research is what is intended by the mail. And it has to be collective effort as no single person can be 100% on anything. I request people of your stature to come forward and show us the way to enrich Lk with observation, analysis and experimentation. I hope this initiative will get support of all you revered members. Thanks in advance, Best regards Jai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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