Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Dear Friends, LK was written way back and world has changed a lot since then. Many things which would have been even unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am trying to divert attention of revered members to some of the issues which are not directly dealt with in LK and no indication is given but these things have become quite important in todays world. I request all the members to contribute in this discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some of the issues are Bankruptcy Fraud Scientific invention (how we would have predicted for Einstein) Sports Icon (Don Bradman) Murder Love affairs Love marriages Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus could answer these) Shot dead Accidents,etc. I have just name a few and list could be endless but inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these. Lets participate and see what we come up with. Best regards Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can get answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea... --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote: > Dear Friends, > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot > since then. Many things which would have been even > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am > trying to divert attention of revered members to > some of the issues which are not directly dealt with > in LK and no indication is given but these things > have become quite important in todays world. I > request all the members to contribute in this > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some > of the issues are > > Bankruptcy > Fraud > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted > for Einstein) > Sports Icon (Don Bradman) > Murder > Love affairs > Love marriages > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > could answer these) > Shot dead > Accidents,etc. > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these. > Lets participate and see what we come up with. > > Best regards > > Jay > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dear Bhupinder ji, This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with these. Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the learned community and to fuel a new research in this important direction. I hope you will appreciate my concern. Best regards Jaybhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic isthe Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> since then. Many things which would have been even> unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> in LK and no indication is given but these things> have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> of the issues are > > Bankruptcy> Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus> could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.> > I have just name a few and list could be endless but> inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with.> > Best regards> > Jay> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dear Jay Ji, From your mails it seems that you have vast Gyaan Bhandaar of the the Jyotish.Presently this group is discussing a specific Shastra " Lal Kitab " . I don't think that you have read the lalKitab carefuly. All the matters listed by you are well covered in the lalKitab. Therefore it is requested that you should stay to the subject only. Hoping for the cooperation. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote: > Dear Friends, > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot since then. Many things which would have been even unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am trying to divert attention of revered members to some of the issues which are not directly dealt with in LK and no indication is given but these things have become quite important in todays world. I request all the members to contribute in this discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some of the issues are > > Bankruptcy > Fraud > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted for Einstein) > Sports Icon (Don Bradman) > Murder > Love affairs > Love marriages > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus could answer these) > Shot dead > Accidents,etc. > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these. Lets participate and see what we come up with. > > Best regards > > Jay > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Bhupinder ji, The beauty of Lal Kitab lies in its simplicity. Normally the rules in lal Kitab are very simple. The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are 50 different charts and 50 different methodologies making it confusing. I really appreciate Jayji's concern on such issues. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 4/21/05, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> since then. Many things which would have been even > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> in LK and no indication is given but these things > have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> of the issues are>> Bankruptcy > Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.>> I have just name a few and list could be endless but> inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with. >> Best regards>> Jay>>> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around > Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dear Nirmal ji, I have always confessed my little knowledge in this divine science especially LK. Will you be kind enough to reply to any of the matters listed by me with proper references. We all will be more than grateful to you as it will lead us to move in the right direction. Thanks in advance. Best regards Jainirbhar <nirmal wrote: Dear Jay Ji,From your mails it seems that you have vast Gyaan Bhandaar of the theJyotish.Presently this group is discussing a specific Shastra "LalKitab". I don't think that you have read the lalKitab carefuly. Allthe matters listed by you are well covered in the lalKitab. Thereforeit is requested that you should stay to the subject only. Hoping for the cooperation.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot since then. Manythings which would have been even unheard then is now a reality. Inthis mail I am trying to divert attention of revered members to someof the issues which are not directly dealt with in LK and noindication is given but these things have become quite important intodays world. I request all the members to contribute in thisdiscussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some of the issues are > > Bankruptcy> Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.> > I have just name a few and list could be endless but inportant thingare/is the rule/s to analyse these. Lets participate and see what wecome up with.> > Best regards> > Jay> > > > > > > Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Respected Friends, I take strong exception to the statement ",,,LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea..." This statement is absolutely not justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab is. And many of you will agree with the statement about LalKitab "jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh..." "LK was written way back..." No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the "list" (attached Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all over the book. "New" and "modern" topics, just as in the case of Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new topics. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote: Dear Bhupinder ji, This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with these. Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the learned community and to fuel a new research in this important direction. I hope you will appreciate my concern. Best regards Jaybhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic isthe Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> since then. Many things which would have been even> unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> in LK and no indication is given but these things> have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> of the issues are > > Bankruptcy> Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus> could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.> > I have just name a few and list could be endless but> inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with.> > Best regards> > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Friends, I also share the same views as expressed by shri Rajinder Bhatia ji.Indian astrology has had many streams of thought thus enriching the tradition. Lal Kitab too is one such stream ,although comparatively new. Given the time , this too will grow into a huge system , comparable with any other. Unlike the vedic system, it is very difficult to understand the language and the idiom of the book. But at places when the content is understood, the results are revealing. Inspite of having read the book many times over , I can not claim to have understood even half of what is said. In the absence of any authentic commentry on the book , it is left to us to make the best of it. Therefore not understanding the system can not be a ground for deriding the system. Sincerely, Priya lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Respected Friends, > I take strong exception to the statement " ,,,LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea... " This statement is absolutely not justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. > > It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab is. And many of you will agree with the statement about LalKitab " jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh... " > > " LK was written way back... " No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the " list " (attached Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all over the book. " New " and " modern " topics, just as in the case of Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) > > Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new topics. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote: > Dear Bhupinder ji, > > This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with these. > Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the learned community and to fuel a new research in this important direction. > I hope you will appreciate my concern. > > Best regards > > Jay > bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp> wrote: > > u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can get > answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is > the Sea... > --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot > > since then. Many things which would have been even > > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am > > trying to divert attention of revered members to > > some of the issues which are not directly dealt with > > in LK and no indication is given but these things > > have become quite important in todays world. I > > request all the members to contribute in this > > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some > > of the issues are > > > > Bankruptcy > > Fraud > > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted > > for Einstein) > > Sports Icon (Don Bradman) > > Murder > > Love affairs > > Love marriages > > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > > could answer these) > > Shot dead > > Accidents,etc. > > > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but > > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these. > > Lets participate and see what we come up with. > > > > Best regards > > > > Jay > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Priya ji, A very good intentioned initiation has been taken in very bad taste. Kindly let me clarify that in no way system was being deridden as I myself is a great admirer of the sytem as it has been giving me results like any other branch of the science. But I don't believe in rigid approach and advocate experimentation but not to detriment of it. I hope now it must be clear what was intended of the mail. Best regards Jai bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: Dear Friends,I also share the same views as expressed by shri Rajinder Bhatia ji.Indian astrology has had many streams of thought thus enriching the tradition. Lal Kitab too is one such stream ,although comparatively new. Given the time , this too will grow into a huge system , comparable with any other. Unlike the vedic system, it is very difficult to understand the language and the idiom of the book. But at places when the content is understood, the results are revealing. Inspite of having read the book many times over , I can not claim to have understood even half of what is said. In the absence of any authentic commentry on the book , it is left to us to make the best of it. Therefore not understanding the system can not be a ground for deriding the system.Sincerely,Priya--- In lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Respected Friends,> I take strong exception to the statement ",,,LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea..." This statement is absolutely not justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. > > It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab is. And many of you will agree with the statement about LalKitab "jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh..."> > "LK was written way back..." No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the "list" (attached Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all over the book. "New" and "modern" topics, just as in the case of Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) > > Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new topics.> > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> Dear Bhupinder ji,> > This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with these.> Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the learned community and to fuel a new research in this important direction. > I hope you will appreciate my concern.> > Best regards> > Jay> bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp> wrote:> > u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can get> answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is> the Sea...> --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> > since then. Many things which would have been even> > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> > trying to divert attention of revered members to> > some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> > in LK and no indication is given but these things> > have become quite important in todays world. I> > request all the members to contribute in this> > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> > of the issues are > > > > Bankruptcy> > Fraud> > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> > for Einstein)> > Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> > Murder> > Love affairs> > Love marriages> > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus> > could answer these)> > Shot dead> > Accidents,etc.> > > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but> > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> > Lets participate and see what we come up with.> > > > Best regards> > > > Jay> > > > > > > Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Bhupinder ji & Friends, Please stop comparing different branches of astrology. As always we will lead to nowhere. Bupinder ji, if you can talk so authoritatively on Lal Kitab, I request you to come forward in discussions otherwise you should not make such remarks on a branch which you don't understand sufficiently well. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 4/21/05, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> since then. Many things which would have been even > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> in LK and no indication is given but these things > have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> of the issues are>> Bankruptcy > Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.>> I have just name a few and list could be endless but> inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with. >> Best regards>> Jay>>> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around > Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Bhooshanapriya ji, Can You suggest a good book on LALKITAB simplified without any technicalities? with Regards Sreenivas Desabhatlabhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: Dear Friends,I also share the same views as expressed by shri Rajinder Bhatia ji.Indian astrology has had many streams of thought thus enriching the tradition. Lal Kitab too is one such stream ,although comparatively new. Given the time , this too will grow into a huge system , comparable with any other. Unlike the vedic system, it is very difficult to understand the language and the idiom of the book. But at places when the content is understood, the results are revealing. Inspite of having read the book many times over , I can not claim to have understood even half of what is said. In the absence of any authentic commentry on the book , it is left to us to make the best of it. Therefore not understanding the system can not be a ground for deriding the system.Sincerely,Priya--- In lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Respected Friends,> I take strong exception to the statement ",,,LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea..." This statement is absolutely not justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. > > It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab is. And many of you will agree with the statement about LalKitab "jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh..."> > "LK was written way back..." No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the "list" (attached Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all over the book. "New" and "modern" topics, just as in the case of Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) > > Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new topics.> > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> Dear Bhupinder ji,> > This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with these.> Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the learned community and to fuel a new research in this important direction. > I hope you will appreciate my concern.> > Best regards> > Jay> bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp> wrote:> > u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can get> answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is> the Sea...> --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> > since then. Many things which would have been even> > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> > trying to divert attention of revered members to> > some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> > in LK and no indication is given but these things> > have become quite important in todays world. I> > request all the members to contribute in this> > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> > of the issues are > > > > Bankruptcy> > Fraud> > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> > for Einstein)> > Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> > Murder> > Love affairs> > Love marriages> > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus> > could answer these)> > Shot dead> > Accidents,etc.> > > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but> > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> > Lets participate and see what we come up with.> > > > Best regards> > > > Jay> > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Respected Nahata JI & priya ji Yes this is true that lalkitab is a system or a group of formulas & there is need to understand the fact.But it is specially blong to new age.There r scientific specifications r available in the depth of this book.But need to understand.Lalkitab has a good way to predections also.If any of us fails to predect or fails to solve a recoverable problem by remedies.Then it is the lack of study of astrologer not of lalkitab system or vaidic system.Bcoz if owl is unable to see in daylight that is the default of owl not of sun.It is my personal experience that lalkitab has a complete system & it removes some superstetious contents of society.It is a pracrical knowldege.But need to study even the study of depth of this book. & we r together at this forum to do this.All of us will see in future that if a code will be decoded by disscussions then it will cover more space with lot of disscussions.This is y that lalkitab had written in the shape of codes & any superpower could do this work. In a 1st reading all will feel that this book has written by any person who was in uncontious situation (jaise ki koi nashey main past hai ya fir ardh moorchhit hai aur jo man main aa rahaa hai boltaa ja rahaa hai) But after a deep thinking there r hidden fruits of astrology.So it is not a subject to compare with a ny other stream but it is a subject to read it deeply. With regards Lalkitabee lalkitab , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote: > Dear Priya ji, > > A very good intentioned initiation has been taken in very bad taste. Kindly let me clarify that in no way system was being deridden as I myself is a great admirer of the sytem as it has been giving me results like any other branch of the science. But I don't believe in rigid approach and advocate experimentation but not to detriment of it. > I hope now it must be clear what was intended of the mail. > > Best regards > > Jai > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > I also share the same views as expressed by shri Rajinder Bhatia > ji.Indian astrology has had many streams of thought thus enriching > the tradition. Lal Kitab too is one such stream ,although > comparatively new. Given the time , this too will grow into a huge > system , comparable with any other. Unlike the vedic system, it is > very difficult to understand the language and the idiom of the book. > But at places when the content is understood, the results are > revealing. Inspite of having read the book many times over , I can > not claim to have understood even half of what is said. In the > absence of any authentic commentry on the book , it is left to us to > make the best of it. Therefore not understanding the system can not > be a ground for deriding the system. > > Sincerely, > > Priya lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Respected Friends, > > I take strong exception to the statement " ,,,LK is just a short > story, vedic is the Sea... " This statement is absolutely not > justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and > seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. > > > > It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and > experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents > most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab > is. And many of you will agree with the statement about > LalKitab " jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh... " > > > > " LK was written way back... " No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the > scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and > was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till > early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the " list " (attached > Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are > discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all > over the book. " New " and " modern " topics, just as in the case of > Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In > many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and > extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier > correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no > disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) > > > > Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has > been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having > countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are > available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you > are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than > Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a > quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the > depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not > far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new > topics. > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote: > > Dear Bhupinder ji, > > > > This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these > directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or > Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than > grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with > these. > > Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the > learned community and to fuel a new research in this important > direction. > > I hope you will appreciate my concern. > > > > Best regards > > > > Jay > > bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp> wrote: > > > > u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can get > > answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is > > the Sea... > > --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot > > > since then. Many things which would have been even > > > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am > > > trying to divert attention of revered members to > > > some of the issues which are not directly dealt with > > > in LK and no indication is given but these things > > > have become quite important in todays world. I > > > request all the members to contribute in this > > > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some > > > of the issues are > > > > > > Bankruptcy > > > Fraud > > > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted > > > for Einstein) > > > Sports Icon (Don Bradman) > > > Murder > > > Love affairs > > > Love marriages > > > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > > > could answer these) > > > Shot dead > > > Accidents,etc. > > > > > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but > > > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these. > > > Lets participate and see what we come up with. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Punit Pandey ji Can you suggest a good book on Lalkitab Explaing the fundamentals without any technicalities? Sreenivas DesabhatlaPunit Pandey <punitp wrote: Bhupinder ji & Friends, Please stop comparing different branches of astrology. As always we will lead to nowhere. Bupinder ji, if you can talk so authoritatively on Lal Kitab, I request you to come forward in discussions otherwise you should not make such remarks on a branch which you don't understand sufficiently well. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 4/21/05, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> since then. Many things which would have been even > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> in LK and no indication is given but these things > have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> of the issues are>> Bankruptcy > Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs> Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.>> I have just name a few and list could be endless but> inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with. >> Best regards>> Jay>>> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around > Do You ?------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Lalkitabee ji, Thank you for being supportive. Could I have some light thrown by you on few of the topics mentioned by me earlier. Or we can take case study of some murderer or bankrupt or unfaithful partner and develop our insight. I will again request all the revered members to come on a single platform for this development. In hope of getting your continous support, Best regards Jai lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Respected Nahata JI & priya jiYes this is true that lalkitab is a system or a group of formulas & there is need to understand the fact.But it is specially blong to new age.There r scientific specifications r available in the depth of this book.But need to understand.Lalkitab has a good way to predections also.If any of us fails to predect or fails to solve a recoverable problem by remedies.Then it is the lack of study of astrologer not of lalkitab system or vaidic system.Bcoz if owl is unable to see in daylight that is the default of owl not of sun.It is my personal experience that lalkitab has a complete system & it removes some superstetious contents of society.It is a pracrical knowldege.But need to study even the study of depth of this book. & we r together at this forum to do this.All of us will see in future that if a code will be decoded by disscussions then it will cover more space with lot of disscussions.This is y that lalkitab had written in the shape of codes & any superpower could do this work. In a 1st reading all will feel that this book has written by any person who was in uncontious situation (jaise ki koi nashey main past hai ya fir ardh moorchhit hai aur jo man main aa rahaa hai boltaa ja rahaa hai)But after a deep thinking there r hidden fruits of astrology.So it is not a subject to compare with a ny other stream but it is a subject to read it deeply.With regardsLalkitabeelalkitab , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> Dear Priya ji, > > A very good intentioned initiation has been taken in very bad taste. Kindly let me clarify that in no way system was being deridden as I myself is a great admirer of the sytem as it has been giving me results like any other branch of the science. But I don't believe in rigid approach and advocate experimentation but not to detriment of it.> I hope now it must be clear what was intended of the mail.> > Best regards> > Jai> > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > Dear Friends,> > I also share the same views as expressed by shri Rajinder Bhatia > ji.Indian astrology has had many streams of thought thus enriching > the tradition. Lal Kitab too is one such stream ,although > comparatively new. Given the time , this too will grow into a huge > system , comparable with any other. Unlike the vedic system, it is > very difficult to understand the language and the idiom of the book. > But at places when the content is understood, the results are > revealing. Inspite of having read the book many times over , I can > not claim to have understood even half of what is said. In the > absence of any authentic commentry on the book , it is left to us to > make the best of it. Therefore not understanding the system can not > be a ground for deriding the system.> > Sincerely,> > Priya> > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> > Respected Friends,> > I take strong exception to the statement ",,,LK is just a short > story, vedic is the Sea..." This statement is absolutely not > justified. Without studying the LalKitab system carefully and > seriously, such sweeping generalities should be avoided. > > > > It is our collective general lack of understanding, study and > experience (and to some extent a lack of intuition) which prevents > most of us from digging deep into the vast vast ocean that LalKitab > is. And many of you will agree with the statement about > LalKitab "jin DhoonDha tin paaeeya, gahare paanee painTh..."> > > > "LK was written way back..." No, LalKitab is a newcomer on the > scene. It came into being less than seventy-five (75) years ago and > was continuously updated (publicly) till 1952 (In actuality till > early 1980's.) Many of the topics mentioned in the "list" (attached > Email) are addressed in LalKitab though not by name but are > discussed, nevertheless. Such hints and descriptions are spread all > over the book. "New" and "modern" topics, just as in the case of > Vedic astrology, need the research work of a few gifted scholars. In > many respects LK is way ahead of Vedic astrology e.g., simplified and > extremely effective remedial measures, almost no calculations, easier > correction and verification of a horoscope etc. (absolutely no > disrespect intended towards Vedic astrology.) > > > > Vedic astrology has enjoyed a big advantage over LalKitab. It has > been around for the longest time and has had the privilege of having > countless scholars study and modify it. Numerous authentic books are > available to supplement one's knowledge. In the case of LalKitab, you > are lucky to find an authentic edition and each author (other than > Pt. Roop Chand Jee) re-wrote it for the sole purpose of making a > quick buck. Most of these people never did any research into the > depths of this intricate school of thought. However, the time is not > far when we will see some gifted researchers addressing many new > topics.> > > > Respectfully,> > Rajinder Bhatia> > > > Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> > Dear Bhupinder ji,> > > > This is a little exaggeration.Even Vedic does not deal with these > directly coz during the times of Parashar ji or Yavanacharya ji or > Jaimini ji these things were almost not there. I will be more than > grateful if you could send me name of some classics which deal with > these.> > Objective of this mail of mine was to divert attenton of the > learned community and to fuel a new research in this important > direction. > > I hope you will appreciate my concern.> > > > Best regards> > > > Jay> > bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp> wrote:> > > > u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can get> > answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is> > the Sea...> > --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> > > Dear Friends,> > > LK was written way back and world has changed a lot> > > since then. Many things which would have been even> > > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> > > trying to divert attention of revered members to> > > some of the issues which are not directly dealt with> > > in LK and no indication is given but these things> > > have become quite important in todays world. I> > > request all the members to contribute in this> > > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some> > > of the issues are > > > > > > Bankruptcy> > > Fraud> > > Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> > > for Einstein)> > > Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> > > Murder> > > Love affairs> > > Love marriages> > > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus> > > could answer these)> > > Shot dead> > > Accidents,etc.> > > > > > I have just name a few and list could be endless but> > > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> > > Lets participate and see what we come up with.> > > > > > Best regards> > > > > > Jay> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Respected Gurus, Just wanted to make a point, pl. don't take me wrong and I am not underestimating LK. I am still a strong beliver of LK but that there is whole world beyond LK. The comments I made is not mine, Let me check for the LK book & respective author and I will come back to you with facts. If any one feel offended, I sincerely apologize and am still a human being perhaps not even close toy all you guru's. So, pl. forgive me. --- Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Bhupinder ji & Friends, > > Please stop comparing different branches of > astrology. As always we will > lead to nowhere. Bupinder ji, if you can talk so > authoritatively on Lal > Kitab, I request you to come forward in discussions > otherwise you should not > make such remarks on a branch which you don't > understand sufficiently well. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 4/21/05, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp > wrote: > > > > > > > > u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can > get > > answer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic > is > > the Sea... > > --- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > LK was written way back and world has changed a > lot > > > since then. Many things which would have been > even > > > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am > > > trying to divert attention of revered members to > > > some of the issues which are not directly dealt > with > > > in LK and no indication is given but these > things > > > have become quite important in todays world. I > > > request all the members to contribute in this > > > discussion so that we attain greater clarity. > Some > > > of the issues are > > > > > > Bankruptcy > > > Fraud > > > Scientific invention (how we would have > predicted > > > for Einstein) > > > Sports Icon (Don Bradman) > > > Murder > > > Love affairs > > > Love marriages > > > Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > > > could answer these) > > > Shot dead > > > Accidents,etc. > > > > > > I have just name a few and list could be endless > but > > > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse > these. > > > Lets participate and see what we come up with. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Sreenivas ji, There are many books available in market and we had quite a bit of discussion on this topic in the past. I request you to go through the archive of this forum for answer of your question. I have also written a detailed note on this topic on my website, you can have a look on it - http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/2004/08/which-lal-kitab-book.html It is mentioned in lal kitab that one should keep reading it like a novel and after some period of time it will unfold its secret. It is the best advise from my side for any lal kitab enthusiast. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 4/22/05, Sreenivas Desabhatla <sreenivasdesabhatla wrote: Dear Punit Pandey ji Can you suggest a good book on Lalkitab Explaing the fundamentals without any technicalities? Sreenivas Desabhatla Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Bhupinder ji & Friends, Please stop comparing different branches of astrology. As always we will lead to nowhere. Bupinder ji, if you can talk so authoritatively on Lal Kitab, I request you to come forward in discussions otherwise you should not make such remarks on a branch which you don't understand sufficiently well. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 4/21/05, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp > wrote: u r right, LK never talks abt such issues. You can getanswer from vedic. LK is just a short story, vedic is the Sea...--- Jay Nahata <nahata_jay wrote:> Dear Friends,> LK was written way back and world has changed a lot > since then. Many things which would have been even > unheard then is now a reality. In this mail I am> trying to divert attention of revered members to> some of the issues which are not directly dealt with > in LK and no indication is given but these things > have become quite important in todays world. I> request all the members to contribute in this> discussion so that we attain greater clarity. Some > of the issues are>> Bankruptcy > Fraud> Scientific invention (how we would have predicted> for Einstein)> Sports Icon (Don Bradman)> Murder> Love affairs > Love marriages> Pre & Extra maritals (I don't believe only Venus > could answer these)> Shot dead> Accidents,etc.>> I have just name a few and list could be endless but > inportant thing are/is the rule/s to analyse these.> Lets participate and see what we come up with. >> Best regards>> Jay>>> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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