S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajiv

 

I tried to see the chart as far as I could understand. Please find below my

analysis. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND, I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED THE CHART AT ALL AND

THE ANALYSIS COULD BE 100 % WRONG.

30th Dec 2004, 07.41 am. AKL, NZDST

 

Akshit Nayar, 16 Jan 1996, 23:37, Madras

 

 

 

1.. KP Nakshatra Lords for the Planets

Planet Sign Degree Lord Sub Sub Sub

 

-----------

 

Sun CAP 2° 5’ Sun Jup Ven

 

Moon SCO 9° 1’ Sat Ven Rahu

 

Mars CAP 12° 43’ Moon Rahu Sat

 

Mercury CAP 6° 59’ Sun Merc Sat

 

Jupiter SAG 9° 12’ Ketu Jup Rahu

 

Venus AQU 8° 6’ Rahu Rahu Ven

 

Saturn AQU 26° 49’ Jup Ven Ven

 

Rahu VIR 27° 48’ Mars Jup Rahu

 

Ketu PIS 27° 48’ Merc Jup Rahu

 

Uranus CAP 6° 27’ Sun Merc Jup

 

Neptune CAP 1° 28’ Sun Jup Sat

 

Pluto SCO 8° 37’ Sat Ven Moon

 

 

 

b.. KP Nakshatra Lords for the Planets

Cusps Sign Degree Lord Sub Sub Sub

 

---------

 

1 VIR 23° 28’ Mars Mars Rahu

 

2 LIB 23° 27’ Jup Sat Rahu

 

3 SCO 22° 58’ Merc Moon Merc

 

4 SAG 22° 20’ Ven Sat Merc

 

5 CAP 22° 31’ Moon Ven Merc

 

6 AQU 23° 28’ Jup Sat Rahu

 

7 PIS 23° 28’ Merc Mars Rahu

 

8 ARI 23° 27’ Ven Sat Rahu

 

9 TAU 22° 58’ Moon Sun Jup

 

10 GEM 22° 20’ Jup Sat Merc

 

11 CAN 22° 31’ Merc Moon Rahu

 

12 LEO 23° 28’ Ven Sat Rahu

 

 

 

c.. SLC(1) = Mars

Mars in Star(Mon) Sub(Ven)

 

Mars S(2,4,11,3,8),

 

Mon in H(2) è House of Markesh, Mon watery planet, Mon in Scorpio, watery

sign, Mon conjuct Pluto, Mon is aspected by Sat S (3,4,5,6,7)

 

Mon S(6,2,5,6,11)

 

Ven S(1,5,2,9)

 

 

 

d.. Markesh Houses are (2,7), Bhadhkesh is H(7)

e.. S(2,7) = First rate: Mars, Jup

S(2,7) = Second rate Mon, Ketu

 

S(2,7) = Third rate: Sat

 

S(2,7) = Fourth rate: Ven, Jup

 

f.. DBAS = Sat, Jup, Sat, Mars

Sookshma Lord = Mars è SLC(1,7), Mars S(2,4,11,3,8)

 

Mars in Star(Mon) Sub(Ven)

 

Mon in H(2) è House of Markesh, Mon watery planet, Mon in Scorpio, watery

sign, Mon conjuct Pluto, Mon is aspected by Sat S (3,4,5,6,7)

 

Mon S(6,2,5,6,11), Ven S(1,5,2,9)

 

Mars is a First rate Killer

 

Antra Lord = Sat

 

Sat is SLC(2,4,6,8,10,12)

 

Sat S(3,6,4,7,5,6)

 

Sat in Star(Jup) Sub(Ven)

 

Jup in H(3), Jup S(7,3,4,7), Ven in H(5), S(1,5,2,9)

 

Star Lord of Anthra Lord Sat is Jup, which is the First Rate Killer

 

Bhukti = Jup

 

Jup in H(3), Jup S(7,3,4,7)

 

Jup in Star(Ketu) Sub(Jup)

 

Ketu in H(7), S(4,7,1,10)

 

Ketu in Star(Merc-R), so Ketu S(4,4,12,10) through Merc-R

 

Ketu in Rasi(Jup), so Ketu S(7,3,4,7) through Jup

 

Dasa = Sat

 

--As above--

 

g.. Transit Ketu over Natal Ketu

 

 

30th Dec 2004, 07.41 am. AKL, NZDST

 

Akarsh Nayar, 9th March 2001, 18:51h hours, Madras, India

 

1.. KP Nakshatra Lords for the Planets

Planet Sign Degree Lord Sub Sub Sub

 

-----------

 

Sun AQU 25° 10’ Jup Merc Rahu

 

Moon LEO 22° 49’ Ven Sat Ven

 

Mars SCO 17° 24’ Merc Merc Sun

 

Mercury CAP 27° 46’ Mars Jup Rahu

 

Jupiter TAU 10° 18’ Moon Moon Rahu

 

Venus PIS 23° 51’ Merc Mars Ketu

 

Saturn TAU 1° 54’ Sun Jup Merc

 

Rahu GEM 18° 14’ Rahu Moon Mars

 

Ketu SAG 18° 14’ Ven Rahu Rahu

 

Uranus CAP 28° 32’ Mars Sat Ketu

 

Neptune CAP 13° 54’ Moon Jup Jup

 

Pluto SCO 21° 23’ Merc Ven Merc

 

b.. KP Nakshatra Lords for the Planets

Cusps Sign Degree Lord Sub Sub Sub

 

---------

 

1 VIR 3° 59’ Sun Sat Ven

 

2 LIB 4° 16’ Mars Ven Sat

 

3 SCO 4° 36’ Sat Sat Moon

 

4 SAG 4° 9’ Ketu Moon Sat

 

5 CAP 3° 34’ Sun Sat Merc

 

6 AQU 3° 43’ Mars Ven Rahu

 

7 PIS 3° 59’ Sat Sat Ketu

 

8 ARI 4° 16’ Ketu Moon Sat

 

9 TAU 4° 36’ Sun Sat Rahu

 

10 GEM 4° 9’ Mars Ven Sat

 

11 CAN 3° 34’ Sat Sat Sat

 

12 LEO 3° 43’ Ketu Moon Moon

 

 

 

1.. SLC(1) = Sat

Sat is SLC(1,3,5,7,9,11)

 

Sat in Star(Sun) Sub(Jup)

 

Sat S(6,8,12,5,6),

 

Star Lord Sun in H(6), Star Lord Sun S(9,6,4,7,12),

 

Sub Lord Jup S(12,9,11,4,7)

 

b.. Markesh Houses are (2,7), Bhadhsthan is H(7), Bhadakesh is Jup

SLC(1) = Sat, in Star(Sun)

 

Sun is NOT in Bhadha house AND in Maraka House but owing H(12) è Initially

it seems the native is lost or is in the hospital

 

c.. DBAS = Ven, Merc, Jup, Jup

Sookshma Lord = Jup

 

Jup in Star(Mon) Sub(Mon)

 

Jup S(12,9,11,4,7), Mon in H(12), Mon S(7,12,2,9,11) è Mon watery planet

in watery sign, also a Markesh

 

Mon is in Star(Ven) in H(7), Mon in Sub(Sat) in H(8) è the matter of deep

concern

 

Ven is SLC(2,6,10), Sat is SLC(1,3,5,7,9,11), Mon is SLC(4,8,12)

 

Ketu could replace Ven as Ketu is in Star(Ven)

 

Ketu could also replace Jup as Ketu in Sagiarrius

 

Transit Ketu is in Libra (5deg 19 min) in H(2) and Ketu is S(7,4,2,9)

 

Overall this is the matter of Great Concern

 

Antra Lord = JUp

 

-- as above --

 

Bhukti = Merc

 

Merc in Star(Mars) Sub(Jup)

 

Merc S(3,5,3,8,1,10), Mars in H(3) conjuct Pluto, Mars S(5,3,1,10,3,8)

 

 

Dasa = Ven-R

 

Ven in Star(Merc) Sub(Mars)

 

Ven S(5,7,1,10,2,9), Merc S(3,5,3,8,1,10), Mars in H(3) conjuct Pluto,

Mars S(5,3,1,10,3,8)

 

 

 

d.. S(2,7) = First rate: Mon, Ketu

S(2,7) = Second rate: Sat

 

S(2,7) = Third rate: Mon, Ketu, Sun

 

S(2,7) = Fourth rate: Ven, Jup

 

 

 

e.. SLC(8) = Mon in Star(Ven) in H(7)

 

 

 

WIth Love

 

Ravinder Grover

 

-

<lalkitab

 

Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:41 AM

S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

 

 

 

Dear Friends

Today’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two missing

boys . their birth details are as follows :

1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

 

I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies to know

if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?

 

Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct predictions /

suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of these two boys.

 

Regards

Rajeev K Khattar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

Dear Friends

Today’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two missing boys

.. their birth details are as follows :

1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

 

I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies to know if

they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?

 

Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct predictions /

suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of these two boys.

 

Regards

Rajeev K Khattar

[Guest guest]

Khattar Sahib,

 

As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that "Moht ka koi ilaz nahin hai". Let us remember, that despite the blessings and insight of our most learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab, there is still something greater than any of us, and that is God himself. Let us not treat astrology as the art of life and death, for that would be something that none of us can state without being foolish.

 

Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in this world moves without his hukam or will. If these boys are alive, then it is according to this will. If they are not, it is also according to his will. Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective of their tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying in this tsunami, it is clearly something in God's hands alone.

 

Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls find peace either way. I trust you will agree with me that this is the biggest upaye of all.

 

Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canadalalkitab wrote:

S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case ) Dear FriendsToday’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two missing boys . their birth details are as follows :1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras ) 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras ) I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of these two boys.RegardsRajeev K Khattar

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir

In my opinion , the news about them being dead or alive will be

recieved on 4/01/05. and most probably they are alive

Let us pray for the best

Shakher

, lalkitab@v... wrote:

> Dear Friends

> Today's The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two

missing boys . their birth details are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies

to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their

dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct

predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of

these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar

[Guest guest]

Dear Iqbal Bhai,

In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the message properly. Mr. Khattar’s endeavor was just to help the poor father. Just envisage the helplessness of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a great dilemma, not certain whether his kids are alive or not, and is prepared for the worst. Try to visualize the conflict between his mind and heart; he conceivably has accepted the veracity, but a father’s heart is unwilling to acknowledge it.

It is truly comical that you are trying to edify the astrologer of Mr. Khattar’s caliber regarding what is written in the legendary Lal Kitab. Such preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my harsh words, but I believe that one should desist from such sermonize while addressing the seniors.

I request all the illustrious scholars with folded hands (including your good-self) of the forum to respond positively, and try to help the unfortunate father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr. Kondal and truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed our combined interpretation along with the remedial measures to the family of the kids.

Brotherly Yours,

Yograj Prabhakar.Iqbal <punjabilovebug wrote:

 

Khattar Sahib,

 

As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that "Moht ka koi ilaz nahin hai". Let us remember, that despite the blessings and insight of our most learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab, there is still something greater than any of us, and that is God himself. Let us not treat astrology as the art of life and death, for that would be something that none of us can state without being foolish.

 

Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in this world moves without his hukam or will. If these boys are alive, then it is according to this will. If they are not, it is also according to his will. Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective of their tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying in this tsunami, it is clearly something in God's hands alone.

 

Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls find peace either way. I trust you will agree with me that this is the biggest upaye of all.

 

Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canadalalkitab wrote:

S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case ) Dear FriendsToday’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two missing boys . their birth details are as follows :1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras ) 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras ) I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of these two boys.RegardsRajeev K Khattar

[Guest guest]

dated:31.12.2004

 

hello iqbal,how r u ? hopeu r fine and enjoying the

colours of life.iqbal i read ur mail regarding sunami

waves in which u have given reply to Mr Khattar. i

read that, but i could not understand that a person

sensible like u had written these words to make mr

khattar aware of the fact that these lines are written

in lieu of death in lal kitab.i am not able to digest

this.

dear brother if any simple astrologer or any lay man

is also asked this question regarding life and death

he will also simply say that ye to bhagwaan ke haath

hai.but u have tried to make him remind of what is

there written in the book.i felt bad of it.because

whenever we had any doubt regarding the lal kitab

grammar or are not able to understand its meaning then

i call either Mr Khattar or Yograjji to rectify it.

 

do u know there are some principles laid down by our

ancient rishis to be an astrologer.those rules are to

be followed by every astrologer to become perfect in

his duty.

 

and as far as i know Mr khattar has excercised his

one of the powers given to a true astrologer by the

almighty.

 

i think there must be thousands of eminent astrologers

throughout india or world but how many had come out to

give such a request on the behalf of children

father.and he had written in his mail that this has

come in newspaper. i think Mr Khattars effort is

really excellent and all of us should learn from this

that we should have concern for others especially

astrologers .

 

and now if we come to the matter of life and death

,how u have presumed they are dead and if any

astrologer has presumed it then i will say that he is

not a true astrologer because the doctor fights till

the last battle and then leaves the result to almighty

and astrologer should also excercise his all efforts

and then should leave the result to god. all know that

what is being done is done by god.and that is true

also

but is se

hum apna karam karna to nahi chhod dete?kyoki hamare

haath mein sirf aur sirf karam hi hai

phal to bhagwaan ke paas hai ussi ne hi dena hai

 

hum agar is duniya mein kuch kar saktae hai to woh

karam hi hai

aur jyotish ki buniyaad hi karam se hai

maut ko saamne dekh kar bhi insaan aakhri dam tak us

se ladta hai jab ki us ko pata hai ki maut to aani hai

there is one saying

 

aadam ko khuda

mat kaho

aadam khudda nahi

lekin aadam

 

khudda ke noor se

juda bhi nahi

 

iqbal i think u had read the mail and readilly

tried to give answer and if u had gone through the

mail with a concerned heart and read between the lines

then ur answer would had changed. here i would like to

tell u one thing out of my experience in astrology

that never predict in a hurry take ur time understand

it feel it and review ur answer thrice and then tell

or write.

dont feel bad of my words or writing .if i will not

stop u from going in wrong direction then i wont be

ur true friend or guide.i have shared my felings with

u. once again dont feel bad.please correct me also

where u feel i m wrong.

 

regards

ms kondal

--- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

 

> Dear Iqbal Bhai,

> In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the

> message properly. Mr. Khattar’s endeavor was just to

> help the poor father. Just envisage the helplessness

> of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a great dilemma,

> not certain whether his kids are alive or not, and

> is prepared for the worst. Try to visualize the

> conflict between his mind and heart; he conceivably

> has accepted the veracity, but a father’s heart is

> unwilling to acknowledge it.

>

> It is truly comical that you are trying to edify

> the astrologer of Mr. Khattar’s caliber regarding

> what is written in the legendary Lal Kitab. Such

> preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is

> absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my

> harsh words, but I believe that one should desist

> from such sermonize while addressing the seniors.

>

> I request all the illustrious scholars with folded

> hands (including your good-self) of the forum to

> respond positively, and try to help the unfortunate

> father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr. Kondal and

> truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed

> our combined interpretation along with the remedial

> measures to the family of the kids.

>

> Brotherly Yours,

>

> Yograj Prabhakar.

>

>

> Iqbal <punjabilovebug wrote:Khattar

> Sahib,

>

> As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that

> " Moht ka koi ilaz nahin hai " . Let us remember, that

> despite the blessings and insight of our most

> learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab,

> there is still something greater than any of us, and

> that is God himself. Let us not treat astrology as

> the art of life and death, for that would be

> something that none of us can state without being

> foolish.

>

> Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in

> this world moves without his hukam or will. If these

> boys are alive, then it is according to this will.

> If they are not, it is also according to his will.

> Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective

> of their tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying

> in this tsunami, it is clearly something in God's

> hands alone.

>

> Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls

> find peace either way. I trust you will agree with

> me that this is the biggest upaye of all.

>

> Regards,

> Iqbal

> Toronto, Canada

>

> lalkitab wrote:

>

> S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

> Dear Friends

> Today’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has

> a report of two missing boys . their birth details

> are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras

> )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai (

> madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict /

> suggest remedies to know if they are dead or alive ?

> if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving

> correct predictions / suggesting remedies, we can

> help the unlucky father of these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar

 

[Guest guest]

dated:31.12.2004

 

hello iqbal,how r u ? hopeu r fine and enjoying the

colours of life.iqbal i read ur mail regarding sunami

waves in which u have given reply to Mr Khattar. i

read that, but i could not understand that a person

sensible like u had written these words to make mr

khattar aware of the fact that these lines are written

in lieu of death in lal kitab.i am not able to digest

this.

dear brother if any simple astrologer or any lay man

is also asked this question regarding life and death

he will also simply say that ye to bhagwaan ke haath

hai.but u have tried to make him remind of what is

there written in the book.i felt bad of it.because

whenever we had any doubt regarding the lal kitab

grammar or are not able to understand its meaning then

i call either Mr Khattar or Yograjji to rectify it.

 

do u know there are some principles laid down by our

ancient rishis to be an astrologer.those rules are to

be followed by every astrologer to become perfect in

his duty.

 

and as far as i know Mr khattar has excercised his

one of the powers given to a true astrologer by the

almighty.

 

i think there must be thousands of eminent astrologers

throughout india or world but how many had come out to

give such a request on the behalf of children

father.and he had written in his mail that this has

come in newspaper. i think Mr Khattars effort is

really excellent and all of us should learn from this

that we should have concern for others especially

astrologers .

 

and now if we come to the matter of life and death

,how u have presumed they are dead and if any

astrologer has presumed it then i will say that he is

not a true astrologer because the doctor fights till

the last battle and then leaves the result to almighty

and astrologer should also excercise his all efforts

and then should leave the result to god. all know that

what is being done is done by god.and that is true

also

but is se

hum apna karam karna to nahi chhod dete?kyoki hamare

haath mein sirf aur sirf karam hi hai

phal to bhagwaan ke paas hai ussi ne hi dena hai

 

hum agar is duniya mein kuch kar saktae hai to woh

karam hi hai

aur jyotish ki buniyaad hi karam se hai

maut ko saamne dekh kar bhi insaan aakhri dam tak us

se ladta hai jab ki us ko pata hai ki maut to aani hai

there is one saying

 

aadam ko khuda

mat kaho

aadam khudda nahi

lekin aadam

 

khudda ke noor se

juda bhi nahi

 

iqbal i think u had read the mail and readilly

tried to give answer and if u had gone through the

mail with a concerned heart and read between the lines

then ur answer would had changed. here i would like to

tell u one thing out of my experience in astrology

that never predict in a hurry take ur time understand

it feel it and review ur answer thrice and then tell

or write.

dont feel bad of my words or writing .if i will not

stop u from going in wrong direction then i wont be

ur true friend or guide.i have shared my felings with

u. once again dont feel bad.please correct me also

where u feel i m wrong.

 

regards

ms kondal

--- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

 

> Dear Iqbal Bhai,

> In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the

> message properly. Mr. Khattar’s endeavor was just to

> help the poor father. Just envisage the helplessness

> of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a great dilemma,

> not certain whether his kids are alive or not, and

> is prepared for the worst. Try to visualize the

> conflict between his mind and heart; he conceivably

> has accepted the veracity, but a father’s heart is

> unwilling to acknowledge it.

>

> It is truly comical that you are trying to edify

> the astrologer of Mr. Khattar’s caliber regarding

> what is written in the legendary Lal Kitab. Such

> preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is

> absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my

> harsh words, but I believe that one should desist

> from such sermonize while addressing the seniors.

>

> I request all the illustrious scholars with folded

> hands (including your good-self) of the forum to

> respond positively, and try to help the unfortunate

> father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr. Kondal and

> truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed

> our combined interpretation along with the remedial

> measures to the family of the kids.

>

> Brotherly Yours,

>

> Yograj Prabhakar.

>

>

> Iqbal <punjabilovebug wrote:Khattar

> Sahib,

>

> As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that

> " Moht ka koi ilaz nahin hai " . Let us remember, that

> despite the blessings and insight of our most

> learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab,

> there is still something greater than any of us, and

> that is God himself. Let us not treat astrology as

> the art of life and death, for that would be

> something that none of us can state without being

> foolish.

>

> Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in

> this world moves without his hukam or will. If these

> boys are alive, then it is according to this will.

> If they are not, it is also according to his will.

> Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective

> of their tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying

> in this tsunami, it is clearly something in God's

> hands alone.

>

> Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls

> find peace either way. I trust you will agree with

> me that this is the biggest upaye of all.

>

> Regards,

> Iqbal

> Toronto, Canada

>

> lalkitab wrote:

>

> S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

> Dear Friends

> Today’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has

> a report of two missing boys . their birth details

> are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras

> )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai (

> madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict /

> suggest remedies to know if they are dead or alive ?

> if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving

> correct predictions / suggesting remedies, we can

> help the unlucky father of these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Yograj ji, Kondal Ji,

 

Thank you for your responses.

 

Yograj Bhai, if you found my note comical, then so be it. In my humble view, everyone who makes a valiant effort to learn Lal Kitab and share its mystery is an eminent as someone like Khattar Ji. Perhaps you do not feel this way, which is why you said some of the things you did. Conversely, perhaps I also did not understand in hindsight the motive of Khattar Ji's note as you mentioned. Nonetheless, I thank you for your note and wish and pray for your continued success.

 

Kondal Ji, I felt you highlighted some excellent points and I agree with the spirit of your message. I am thankful for the wisdom and clarity of thought you have shared with us in the few paragraphs you wrote. I appreciate the metaphors you used, and I concur with your logic.

 

At a time like this, I felt that praying to God WAS the most effective upaye. I felt that it just had to be mentioned - is there any bigger upaye that for asking for God's mercy and his providential help in a time of dire crisis? That was the only message of my email - in no way was it designed to minimize the pain of the father, nor tutor Khattar Ji with whom I have enjoyed offline discourses as well. Clearly something of this magnitude was God's own will, and hence, I felt it only fitting to ask him directly for help to help expedite finding these boys. That is all.

 

As an aside, the members of this board will be pleased to know that I confirmed this afternoon through his PA that our Chief Minister (Premier) here in Ontario, Canada has agreed on sending another 15 crore (5 million dollars) to help the relief fund in South Asia (India/Sri Lanka) adding to the over 120 crore sent from the Canadian government thus far, so that the reconaissance work needed to help people like the grief-stricken father can be expedited to help them reunite with love ones if they are still safe and are found.

 

There are many of us who are trying to help all of those who have sufferred in this catastrophe, even from this side of the world through lobbying of our governments to help India and Sri Lanka, by leveraging our own network of political friends. Let us all do what we can do, and hopefully help minimize further pain and suffering as best possible.

 

I trust you will take my comments at face-value for their sincerity and direction of stated purpose. I really do sincerely hope both your insights and others' insights will help the father. My prayers will be with him and for all others who have sufferred this historic spectrum of pain and agony.

 

I am glad we could clear up this misunderstanding. I am thankful for the effort you have both taken out of your precious time to share your thoughts.

 

Your brother,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canada

Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

 

Dear Iqbal Bhai, In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the message properly. Mr. Khattar’s endeavor was just to help the poor father. Just envisage the helplessness of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a great dilemma, not certain whether his kids are alive or not, and is prepared for the worst. Try to visualize the conflict between his mind and heart; he conceivably has accepted the veracity, but a father’s heart is unwilling to acknowledge it.

It is truly comical that you are trying to edify the astrologer of Mr. Khattar’s caliber regarding what is written in the legendary Lal Kitab. Such preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my harsh words, but I believe that one should desist from such sermonize while addressing the seniors.

I request all the illustrious scholars with folded hands (including your good-self) of the forum to respond positively, and try to help the unfortunate father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr. Kondal and truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed our combined interpretation along with the remedial measures to the family of the kids.

Brotherly Yours,

Yograj Prabhakar.Iqbal <punjabilovebug wrote:

Khattar Sahib,

 

As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that "Moht ka koi ilaz nahin hai". Let us remember, that despite the blessings and insight of our most learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab, there is still something greater than any of us, and that is God himself. Let us not treat astrology as the art of life and death, for that would be something that none of us can state without being foolish.

 

Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in this world moves without his hukam or will. If these boys are alive, then it is according to this will. If they are not, it is also according to his will. Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective of their tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying in this tsunami, it is clearly something in God's hands alone.

 

Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls find peace either way. I trust you will agree with me that this is the biggest upaye of all.

 

Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canadalalkitab wrote:

S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case ) Dear FriendsToday’s The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two missing boys . their birth details are as follows :1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras ) 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras ) I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of these two boys.RegardsRajeev K Khattar

[Guest guest]

Friends,

I have examined the horoscope of the boys, the detail of which were

posted by Khattarji last night.

Before the prediction, it is important to emphasize that I am a very

error prone human being practicing astrology. So, I can be very wrong.

But, in my opinion, such events are an opportunity for astrologers who

are honest to astrology and have a keen desire to increase and improve

their learning and skills. The courage of an astrologer, to be

available for a public test, is an essential quality that goes in

making of a better astrologer. Please keep these points in mind, and ,

read on.

As per my assessment, the first boy, i.e. the eldest one, is lost to

the nature's fury and has returned to his maker. I feel sorry and

share the grief of his parents, relatives and friends. This is one

prediction which I would like to be wrong about.

umesh sharma

 

 

 

lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote:

> S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

> Dear Friends

> Today's The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two

missing boys . their birth details are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies

to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their

dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct

predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of

these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar

[Guest guest]

Friends,

I have examined the horoscope of the boys, the detail of which were

posted by Khattarji last night.

 

Before the prediction, it is important to emphasize that I am a very

error prone human being practicing astrology. So, I can be very wrong.

But, in my opinion, such events are an opportunity for astrologers who

are honest to astrology and have a keen desire to increase and improve

their learning and skills. The courage of an astrologer, to be

available for a public test, is an essential quality that goes in

making of a better astrologer. Please keep these points in mind, and ,

read on ….

 

As per my assessment, the first boy, i.e. the eldest one, is lost to

the nature's fury and has returned to his maker. I feel sorry and

share the grief of his parents, relatives and friends. This is one

prediction which I would like to be wrong about.

umesh sharma

 

lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:

> Dear Yograj ji, Kondal Ji,

>

> Thank you for your responses.

>

> Yograj Bhai, if you found my note comical, then so be it. In my

humble view, everyone who makes a valiant effort to learn Lal Kitab

and share its mystery is an eminent as someone like Khattar Ji.

Perhaps you do not feel this way, which is why you said some of the

things you did. Conversely, perhaps I also did not understand in

hindsight the motive of Khattar Ji's note as you mentioned.

Nonetheless, I thank you for your note and wish and pray for your

continued success.

>

> Kondal Ji, I felt you highlighted some excellent points and I agree

with the spirit of your message. I am thankful for the wisdom and

clarity of thought you have shared with us in the few paragraphs you

wrote. I appreciate the metaphors you used, and I concur with your logic.

>

> At a time like this, I felt that praying to God WAS the most

effective upaye. I felt that it just had to be mentioned - is there

any bigger upaye that for asking for God's mercy and his providential

help in a time of dire crisis? That was the only message of my email -

in no way was it designed to minimize the pain of the father, nor

tutor Khattar Ji with whom I have enjoyed offline discourses as well.

Clearly something of this magnitude was God's own will, and hence, I

felt it only fitting to ask him directly for help to help expedite

finding these boys. That is all.

>

> As an aside, the members of this board will be pleased to know that

I confirmed this afternoon through his PA that our Chief Minister

(Premier) here in Ontario, Canada has agreed on sending another 15

crore (5 million dollars) to help the relief fund in South Asia

(India/Sri Lanka) adding to the over 120 crore sent from the Canadian

government thus far, so that the reconaissance work needed to help

people like the grief-stricken father can be expedited to help them

reunite with love ones if they are still safe and are found.

>

> There are many of us who are trying to help all of those who have

sufferred in this catastrophe, even from this side of the world

through lobbying of our governments to help India and Sri Lanka, by

leveraging our own network of political friends. Let us all do what we

can do, and hopefully help minimize further pain and suffering as best

possible.

>

> I trust you will take my comments at face-value for their sincerity

and direction of stated purpose. I really do sincerely hope both your

insights and others' insights will help the father. My prayers will be

with him and for all others who have sufferred this historic spectrum

of pain and agony.

>

> I am glad we could clear up this misunderstanding. I am thankful for

the effort you have both taken out of your precious time to share your

thoughts.

>

> Your brother,

> Iqbal

> Toronto, Canada

>

>

> Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar> wrote:

> Dear Iqbal Bhai,

> In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the message properly.

Mr. Khattar's endeavor was just to help the poor father. Just envisage

the helplessness of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a great dilemma,

not certain whether his kids are alive or not, and is prepared for the

worst. Try to visualize the conflict between his mind and heart; he

conceivably has accepted the veracity, but a father's heart is

unwilling to acknowledge it.

>

> It is truly comical that you are trying to edify the astrologer of

Mr. Khattar's caliber regarding what is written in the legendary Lal

Kitab. Such preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is

absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my harsh words, but I

believe that one should desist from such sermonize while addressing

the seniors.

>

> I request all the illustrious scholars with folded hands (including

your good-self) of the forum to respond positively, and try to help

the unfortunate father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr. Kondal and

truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed our combined

interpretation along with the remedial measures to the family of the kids.

>

> Brotherly Yours,

>

> Yograj Prabhakar.

>

>

> Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote: Khattar Sahib,

>

> As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that " Moht ka koi ilaz

nahin hai " . Let us remember, that despite the blessings and insight of

our most learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab, there is

still something greater than any of us, and that is God himself. Let

us not treat astrology as the art of life and death, for that would be

something that none of us can state without being foolish.

>

> Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in this world moves

without his hukam or will. If these boys are alive, then it is

according to this will. If they are not, it is also according to his

will. Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective of their

tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying in this tsunami, it is

clearly something in God's hands alone.

>

> Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls find peace

either way. I trust you will agree with me that this is the biggest

upaye of all.

>

> Regards,

> Iqbal

> Toronto, Canada

>

> lalkitab@v... wrote:

>

> S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

> Dear Friends

> Today's The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two

missing boys . their birth details are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies

to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their

dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct

predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of

these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar

 

[Guest guest]

Prabhakar ji,

 

I fail to understand why you chose not to post your interpretations

and the remedial measures in this forum considering the fact that

this querry was raised in this forum.

Umesh Ji posted his views with sincerity and honesty, what stopped

you from doing it ?

Are you not confident enough about your capabilities as

a " Renowened " and " High Caliber " Astrologer ? or you just feel

better by lecturing others with your multiple IDs.

 

Gullu

 

lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar

<yr_prabhakar> wrote:

> Dear Iqbal Bhai,

> In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the message properly.

Mr. Khattar's endeavor was just to help the poor father. Just

envisage the helplessness of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a

great dilemma, not certain whether his kids are alive or not, and is

prepared for the worst. Try to visualize the conflict between his

mind and heart; he conceivably has accepted the veracity, but a

father's heart is unwilling to acknowledge it.

>

> It is truly comical that you are trying to edify the astrologer

of Mr. Khattar's caliber regarding what is written in the legendary

Lal Kitab. Such preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is

absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my harsh words, but I

believe that one should desist from such sermonize while addressing

the seniors.

>

> I request all the illustrious scholars with folded hands

(including your good-self) of the forum to respond positively, and

try to help the unfortunate father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr.

Kondal and truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed our

combined interpretation along with the remedial measures to the

family of the kids.

>

> Brotherly Yours,

>

> Yograj Prabhakar.

>

>

> Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:Khattar Sahib,

>

> As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that " Moht ka koi ilaz

nahin hai " . Let us remember, that despite the blessings and insight

of our most learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab, there

is still something greater than any of us, and that is God himself.

Let us not treat astrology as the art of life and death, for that

would be something that none of us can state without being foolish.

>

> Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in this world

moves without his hukam or will. If these boys are alive, then it is

according to this will. If they are not, it is also according to his

will. Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective of their

tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying in this tsunami, it is

clearly something in God's hands alone.

>

> Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls find peace

either way. I trust you will agree with me that this is the biggest

upaye of all.

>

> Regards,

> Iqbal

> Toronto, Canada

>

> lalkitab@v... wrote:

>

> S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case )

> Dear Friends

> Today's The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of

two missing boys . their birth details are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest

remedies to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the

father get their dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct

predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of

these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Gullu Badshaw Ji,

We conveyed our interpretations well before the message in question was posted to this august forum. Moreover, we worked under the skipper-ship of Sh. Rajeev Khattar, so it was under his authority to post it or not. He certainly will share the same in this gruop once he is returned back to his place.

Badshaw Salaamat! I am fully aware of my capabilities, but the titles bestowed by Your Highness in the inverted commas do not pertain to me.

If correcting a colleague is just a “lecturing others” in your opinion; then I am sorry to say that you too fail to understand the true spirit of my message.

As far as your allegation regarding the multiple ID's are concerned, I would like to inform you that I do not require any veiled individuality to articulate my feelings in the forum. Please remember that only the crippled needs the support of such crutches, fortunately my limbs are intact, healthy and working so far by the grace of God almighty and the good wishes of “friends” like you.

Sincerely Yours,

Yograj PrabhakarGullu Badshaw <acura_2004 wrote:

Prabhakar ji,I fail to understand why you chose not to post your interpretations and the remedial measures in this forum considering the fact that this querry was raised in this forum. Umesh Ji posted his views with sincerity and honesty, what stopped you from doing it ?Are you not confident enough about your capabilities as a "Renowened" and "High Caliber" Astrologer ? or you just feel better by lecturing others with your multiple IDs.Gullulalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar> wrote:> Dear Iqbal Bhai,> In reality, you did not grasp the motive of the message properly. Mr. Khattar's endeavor was just to help the poor father. Just envisage the helplessness of that ill-fated fellow, who is in a great dilemma, not certain whether his kids are alive or

not, and is prepared for the worst. Try to visualize the conflict between his mind and heart; he conceivably has accepted the veracity, but a father's heart is unwilling to acknowledge it. > > It is truly comical that you are trying to edify the astrologer of Mr. Khattar's caliber regarding what is written in the legendary Lal Kitab. Such preaching to an eminent astrologer of the country is absolutely uncalled for. Please forgive me for my harsh words, but I believe that one should desist from such sermonize while addressing the seniors.> > I request all the illustrious scholars with folded hands (including your good-self) of the forum to respond positively, and try to help the unfortunate father. As far as we (Mr. Khattar, Mr. Kondal and truly yours) are concerned, we have already conveyed our combined interpretation along with the remedial measures to the family of the kids.>

> Brotherly Yours,> > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:Khattar Sahib,> > As you know, lal kitab has clearly writtent that "Moht ka koi ilaz nahin hai". Let us remember, that despite the blessings and insight of our most learned gurujans and practitioners of Lal Kitab, there is still something greater than any of us, and that is God himself. Let us not treat astrology as the art of life and death, for that would be something that none of us can state without being foolish.> > Kismet can change according to his will. Nothing in this world moves without his hukam or will. If these boys are alive, then it is according to this will. If they are not, it is also according to his will. Either way, it is as God has ordained, irrespective of their tewas or kundlis. With over 100,000 dying in this tsunami, it is clearly something in

God's hands alone.> > Let us simply pray with our hearts that their souls find peace either way. I trust you will agree with me that this is the biggest upaye of all.> > Regards,> Iqbal> Toronto, Canada> > lalkitab@v... wrote:> > S.O.S…mail from Chennai ( tsunamic waves case ) > Dear Friends> Today's The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of two missing boys . their birth details are as follows :> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras ) > 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras ) > > I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest remedies to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the father get their dead bodies ?> > Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of these two

boys.> > Regards> Rajeev K Khattar> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Khattar ji,

 

where are you??????

what was heppand with Akshit Nayar???

waiting for your reply

 

regards

 

kanak

 

 

 

, lalkitab@v... wrote:

> Dear Friends

> Today's The Hindu newspaper ( Chennai edition ) has a report of

two missing boys . their birth details are as follows :

> 1. Akshit Nayar 16-jan-1996, 23-37, Chennai ( madras )

> 2. Akarsh Nayar 9-March-2001 , 18-51,Chennai ( madras )

>

> I request all the learned astrologers to predict / suggest

remedies to know if they are dead or alive ? if alive,will the

father get their dead bodies ?

>

> Kindly treat the matter as most urgent. By giving correct

predictions / suggesting remedies, we can help the unlucky father of

these two boys.

>

> Regards

> Rajeev K Khattar