re Nandkishore's case-- lalkitabee

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guruji , when i asked him in the beginning his answers e.g shadow of

a tree on his eyes, his uncles tec. indicated that his managl is bad

plus e.g mandir and pipal tree , loans etc.ndicated that guru is also

afflictedwith mars bad. plus not receiving a bed in dowry gave

indications about ketu, i therefore suggested remedies regarding

that. but he is convinced that his mars is benefic. may be because he

has sun-mer combination or due to parashari jyotish. but answers

indicated that it is bad and pandit ji has categorically stated that

jiwan ke halat would prevail upon planetary indications. but if he is

adamant what can we do he rejected my sugestions saying that i had

consulted books, but i think that consultaing books by scholars is an

added advantage. waise to lalkitab bhi pt. ne likhi hai to hum ise

darkinar thode hi kar sakte hain. aap baba bharti ka kaam mat chodna.

i raised my doubts regarding palmistry because i haven't till date

found any of your analysis going wrong. so if nandkishore

contridicts, i thought that may be answer lay in difference in palm

and astrological kunadlis. aap ke kundali vivechan par shak karne ka

to swaal hi paida nahin hota.

kulbir

 

lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote:

>

> Respected nandu Ji

> Namo Namah

> Mujhe lagtaa hai ki meri mail ko bina dhyan ke poora padhey

> binaa hi Aapne mere analyses ko 0% ki shreni main rakhaa hai 10% ki

> shreni main nahi. Fir bhi main yahi kahoonga ki:-

> Aap ki kis baat ka bharosaa karain.Yeh kehnaa namumkin hai.

> Kyonki shuru se leker aapki pratikriyain sandeh ke dairey main hi

> hain.Aisa lagtaa hai ki aap khilwad ker rahey hain.Aap ab sahi keh

> rahey hain ya fir tab sahi keh rahey they main nahi jaantaa, lekin

> itnaa jaroor hai ki mere analyses main kahin koi kami nahi dikhi

> mujhe.Aur aap ise gambhirtaa se lain. Draupadi agar samay rehtey

> sanyam se kaam leti to MAHABHARAT nahi hotaa uske jivan

main.Kripyaa

> itnaa khilwad na karain ki DAKOO KHADGSINGH AUR BABA BHARTI KI

> GHODE " wali kahaani ban jaye.Maine to analyse ker diyaa hai.Aap ab

> ise kitni gambhirtaa se lenge yeh main nahi jaantaa lekin ek din

> aapko is lalkitabee ki baat per yakin aayegaa aur usi din aapko

mera

> letter bhi samajh main aayegaa isse adhik kya likhonn.Main un

> jyotishiyon ke gyaan ke baarey main koi shankaa nahi ker saktaa

> kyonki aap shanka ke dayre main hain ve nahi. Abhi aap boodhey nahi

> hue hain aur aapne meri mail ko dhyan se nahi padha hai. Agar

> padhenge to sab kuchh clear hi likha hai maine.Maine ek baat likhi

> hai ki " Sukh ki paribhashaa ko veh sahi dhang se paribhashit nahi

ker

> saktaa aur hari bhajan main hi use sukh miltaa hai. " In lines main

> sara nichod hai.Aap mere is letter ko sahez ker rakhnaa aur fir

> bhagwaan ne chahaa to ek din aap aur hum aise mod per milenge jab

> aapke words aapse hi sawaal poochh lenge aur jawab bhi de denge

kisi

> bhi astrologer ko kuchh bhi nahi bolnaa padegaa.Isse adhik kyaa

> likhoon.

> With regards

> Lalkitabee

>

> lalkitab , " Nandkishore rai rawal "

> <natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

> > Aaderniya Lal Kitabee ji,

> > Namaskar.

> >

> > Maine aapke dwara mer kundli ki analysis ko pad aur bahut

vinamrata

> se kahna chhunga ki aapne jo kuchh bhi likha hai usme se 10% se

jyada

> marks main aap ko nahi doonga.

> > Meri pehali santan Ladka hai aur is samay vah banglore me I>I>T>

me

> Engineering ka ourse kar raha hai.Log mere putra ke sad gunon aur

> uski agyakarita ki misal dete hain.Apne ksetra me main Naam se Jana

> jata hoon aur Aaj ki tarikh me main kisi organisation ka mohtaj

nahi

> balki organisation mere mohtaj hain.AAp ke aashirwad se mainmaasik

> 75000/- kamata hoon jisme company dwra diya gaya furnished

> house ,car,driver aur anya suvidhayen shamil nanhi hain.Rin To Tata

> Birla per bhi hai.Career ke bare me Itna hi kehana hai ki Mene

JItni

> naukri ki hai shayd hi kisi ne utni naukariyan ki hongi.Mujhe

naukri

> ki kami kabhi kami nanhi rahi.Dharmik main 100% hoon per pogresive

> bhi bahut hoon tabhi apn bachchon se nibha raha hoon.KUndali meri

> apni hai aur K.N.rao

> > L.D.Madan,N.D.Shrimali,Radha Krishna Shrimali Jaise atrlogers ko

> dikha chuka hoon aur sabhi ne use sahi paaya hai.Mere

janmastha,samay

> aur janma dinank me koi herpher nahi hai.Aapki suchanarth main bata

> doon ki is samay mujhe shukra ki maha dasha chal rahi hai aur yeh

> 2018 tak rahegi.

> > Kripaya ek bar fir meri kundali ko analyse kare.

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> >

> > Nandu

> > >Respected Nandkishore Ji

> > >      I love all the streams of astrology but never criticize any

> > >astrologer or any stream.Gyan anant hai manav jivan thodaa hai

aur

> > >manav mastishk ki apni hi seema hai.Priya ji ne vaastav mai bahut

> > >achchha analyze kiya hai lekin iska aashay yeh nahi ki aap anyaa

> logo

> > >per keechad uchhalain.Aap kripyaa meri mail ko anytha nahi lain

> main

> > >apne lalkitab ke gyan ke anusaar aapki kundli ko analyse karne ka

> > >prayaas ker rahaa hoon,kisi ki bhi aalochnaa ya ninda ke

vashibhoot

> > >hoker nahi.Vaastav main agar yeh aapkaa hi tevaa hai to mujhe

aapse

> > >haardik sahaanubhuti hai. Rahi baat analyses ki to main to yahi

keh

> > >saktaa hoon ki aapki kundli lalkitab ke mutabik koi bahut

badhiyaa

> > >results dikhane wali kundli nahi hai. Aisa vyakti apne jivan main

> > >apni hi aulad se apmanit hotaa hai apne hi ghar main use samman

> nahi

> > >miltaa kyonki shukra budh ketu jis sthan per hai ve show kartey

> hain

> > >ki aise vyakyi ki pehli aulad female hoti hai aur agar male bhi

ho

> to

> > >bhi jivit nahi rehti kyonki mandaa guru uski bali lene se nahi

> > >chooktaa. Aur is guru ki badaulat hi aisa vyakti jivan main karz

> lene

> > >ki daud main sabse aage rehtaa hai kyonki 7th main guru vyakti ki

> > >finance problem ko tabhi mandaa kartaa hai jab ki mangal bad ho

aur

> > >aapki kundli main mangal bad hai. Aisi sthiti hone per insaan

> jawaani

> > >main to dharm karm ki or jaroorat se jyaada hi bhagtaa hai aur

> > >budhaape main use dhan aur sukh ke liye tarsnaa pad jaataa hai.

> Uskaa

> > >dharmaandh honaa uske ghar main BAAP YA DAADE ko saans ki taqlif

> hone

> > >ka saboot detaa hai. Aisa vyakti baat baat per jhallaa jataa hai

> aur

> > >uske kaandhe main baat kartey hue ek vishesh prakaar ki gatividhi

> > >hoti hai. Kyonki aisa vyakti pratibhasampann hote hue bhi adhik

> > >kaamyaab na hone ke kaaran adhik na boltey hue bhi bahut kuchh

aisa

> > >bol jaataa hai jisse use apmaan ka bhagi banna pad jataa hai.Kai

> baar

> > >to aisa vyakti apni aankhon ko baar baa kuchh specially

jhapaktey

> hue

> > >baat kartaa hai aur uske spexx ka no. bhi achanak hi badhnaa

shuru

> ho

> > >jaata hai.Kewal peeple ke ped ki sewaa hi use raahat pradaan

karti

> > >hai. mande samay ghar main lal rang ki vastuon ka as gift aanaa

is

> > >baat ka saboot hotaa hai ki mangal bad apnaa asar dikhaa rahaa

hai.

> > >Vyakti is asar ke dauraan apni aulaad se apmaanit hotaa hai. Kai

> > >martabaa to uskaa apnaa hi betaa itnaa magroor ho jataa hai ki

use

> > >thappad tak maar detaa hai.Betaa  pitaa ke kamaye dhan per poori

> > >tarah aish kartaa hai.Pitaa ke dwara arjit dhan ko agar aage nahi

> > >badhaa paataa to kam bhi nahi hone detaa hai.Lekin pitaa ki

ahmiyat

> > >ko tarzih nahi detaa hai.

> > >Ya yu kaho ki use naa oodho ka lenaa na madho ka denaa.Baap

baitha

> > >jindaa to kyon bane parindaa.

> > >Jaisa tevaa aapka hai aise vyakti ko rangon ki pehchaan karne

main

> > >bhi taqlif hoti hai.Mere hisab se to aise vyakti ka jivan ram

aasre

> > >beet hi jaata hai kyonki veh bujurgon ke dwara kiye kaam ko nahi

> > >kartaa hai isi kaaran uska jivan kisi had tak thik beet jaataa

> > >hai.Jivan main use apnaa banaya ghar tak bhi bech denaa padtaa

> > >hai.Khas taur per yadi ghar 32 ya 34 ki aayu main banayaa jaye

> > >to.Sukh aur dukh ke baare main pratyek vyakti ki raay alag alag

> hai.

> > >Lekin jaisi kundli aap ki hai aiase vyakti ko jivan main sukh ke

> > >katrey hi miltey hain.Sukh ki paribhashaa ko veh sahi dhang se

> > >paribhashit nahi ker saktaa aur hari bhajan main hi use sukh

miltaa

> > >hai.Bhautik sukh ke baare main uska anubhav simit hi hotaa hai.

> > >Ab aap dekhain ki kyaa yeh sab aapke jivan main ghatit hua hai.

> Agar

> > >ghatit hua hai to aap mujhse upay poochh saktey hain gar nahi

> ghatit

> > >hua hai to aap apni nahi kisi aur ki kundli ko dikhaa rahey

hain.Ya

> > >fir aapko sahi date aur samay ka nahi pataa hai.Main seedhey aur

> > >sapaat lehzey main likh rahaa hoon kripyaa meri baat ka buraa mat

> > >manna ,kyonki mujhe lagtaa hai ki vastav main aapko jyotish ki

> madad

> > >ki jaroorat hai.Main Priyaa ji se bilkul sehmat hoon lekin mujhe

> > >lagtaa hai ki unhone vaidic drishtikon se grahon ki

sarvashtakbal

> ke

> > >anusar shakti ke anurup dekhaa hai lekin panchdhaa maitri ka

prayog

> > >shayad nahi kiyaa hai iske atirikt vaidic ke anusaar bahut se

anyaa

> > >espects bhi hain jo ki ativistaar se hi discuss ho saktey hain ur

> > >unhain yahaan lalkitab forum ke anusaar disscuss karnaa munasib

na

> > >hogaa.Agar sarvashtakvarg ko hi mukhya manain to anya sabhi

espects

> > >ki kya upyogitaa rahegi aur kramanusaar sabhi Mukhya espects per

> > >vichar kartey hue sarvashtakvarg ka prayog kiyaa jaye to saath

> saath

> > >kaafi kuchh predect karne ko prapt ho jaataa hai.meri predection

> > >totally lalkitab per aadharit hain.Ab aap hi lalkitab ki kasauti

> hain

> > >maine poorey manoyog se aapki kundli per vichar kiyaa hai. Aasha

> hai

> > >ki aap ab apni kundli ke anurup hi vicharniya vishayon per anya

> > >astrologers se disscuss karenge kisi bhi prakaar ke vaadvivad ko

> > >derkinaar rakhtey hue aap ek swasth mansiktaa ke sath kriyanvit

> honge.

> > >With regards

> > >lalkitabee   

> > >lalkitab , " Nandkishore rai rawal "

> > ><natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

> > >> 

> > >> Bhalla Ji

> > >> ek aur udaharan hai ki bains purane e-mail ko delete karne ko

> punt

> > >ko kah rahe hain taki unki pol na khule.HA HA HA.

> > >> Nandu

> > >>

> > >> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 Nandkishore rai rawal wrote :

> > >> >

> > >> >Dear bhalla JI

> > >> >just read my e mail to priya JI which will open your and other

> > >expert's eyes.

> > >> >  Nandu

> > >> >On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 cmbhalla1937 wrote :

> > >> > >Respected Priya ji  for your assistance in analyzing the

case

> of

> > >Shri

> > >> > >Nandkishore ji I am sending you the case studies done by

other

> > >senior

> > >> > >members namely Ravindra pancholi, Mudit and Kulbeer.

> Lalkitabee

> > >also

> > >> > >advised him the upaya to keep 7 rattis with him but he

seems

> to

> > >be in

> > >> > >the habit of asking everyone  Mudit even rebuked him for

that.

> > >> > >Res.Bains Guru Ji

> > >> > >Sadar Pranam,

> > >> > >I am extremely sorry to reciprocate too late to your

queries.I

> > >hope u

> > >> > >will forgive me.I am answering all your queries

> > >> > >1.NO

> > >> > >2.Yes my father is alive and my son is quite comfortable.

> > >> > >3.My house is north facing and there is no electric meter or

> > >kitchen

> > >> > >on left side or bath room on right side.Peepal Tree is

there

> in

> > >my

> > >> > >house and we are puting one lamp every saturday beneath the

> tree

> > >and

> > >> > >pouring jaggery water in roots every saturday.Yes one tree

is

> > >casting

> > >> > >shadow on my house.

> > >> > >4. No.My wife is very calm and co-operative and there is no

> ego

> > >clashes.

> > >> > >5.not at all.

> > >> > >6.Yes I have a seperate room for worship in my house.

> > >> > >7.NO.

> > >> > >8.Never.

> > >> > >9.Always.

> > >> > >10.I dont smoke or drink I am a tea tottler.

> > >> > >11.NO.

> > >> > >12.NO.staying in rented house.

> > >> > >13.I have two uncles with one I am enjoying good relation

and

> > >with

> > >> > >another I am not in talking terms.My mother is having foot

> > >problem.

> > >> > >14.I am the eldest and my father is not eldest.

> > >> > >Thanking u for taking so much pain for me.

> > >> > >with humble regards.

> > >> > >Nandu

> > >> > >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 ceeta bains wrote :

> > >> > >>sir,

> > >> > >>to cut it short i am not elborating ur positive traits

which

> > >> > >undoubtedly are plenty because our topmost priority is to

> solve

> > >the

> > >> > >problems first.

> > >> > >>as taught bu umesh ji the foremost thing to be done in lk

> > >analysis is

> > >> > >to see ki grah kahan se bol raha hai aur uski tasir kya hai

> and

> > >for

> > >> > >this i need the answers to the following.

> > >> > >>1. Have u discarded or disdained/discontinued any customay

or

> > >> > >traditional practices/khandani prampara religious social or

> any

> > >which

> > >> > >were followed by ur forefathers.

> > >> > >>2. iS ur father alive and how is ur son i mean is he

> > >uncomfortable .

> > >> > >>3.is ur house south facing and while entering ur house is

> there

> > >a

> > >> > >kitchen or electricity meter on the left side  and bathroom

on

> > >the

> > >> > >right side. is there any pipal tree near ur present or

> ancestral

> > >> > >house, is any tree casting a shadow on ur house.

> > >> > >>4.is ur wife dominating in household affairs and has this

> given

> > >rise

> > >> > >to ego conflicts with u.

> > >> > >>5. is ur wife depressed.

> > >> > >>6. do u have a place of worship in ur house.

> > >> > >>7. do u befreind sadhu sants and don't take much interests

in

> > >> > >material pursuits.

> > >> > >>8. did u ever had any infatuation for a widow.

> > >> > >>9. have u ever been in debt inspite of good income.

> > >> > >>10. do u smoke.

> > >> > >>11. is there a thumbsized birthmark on the left side of ur

> body.

> > >> > >>12. did u construct or bought ur own house before 42 years

of

> > >age.

> > >> > >>13. is or was any of ur paternal uncles  in trouble and

how

> are

> > >ur

> > >> > >relations iwth them and also ur relations with ur broters.

> does

> > >any

> > >> > >member in ur family has knee or foot trouble.

> > >> > >>14.r uthe eldest son or ur father was not the eldest.

> > >> > >>regards

> > >> > >>kulbir

> > >> > >>Nandkishore ji,

> > >> > >In ur horoscope, Mars occupies the throne of the king with

> Guru

> > >as his

> > >> > >prime minister in the 7th. Since Sun and Mercury are

together

> in

> > >ur

> > >> > >horoscope tasir of Mars is nek. Also the combination of

Saturn

> > >and

> > >> > >Rahu nullifies the manglik aspect of mars in 1st. It is good

> > >that u

> > >> > >respect the riti riwaaz of ur ancestors, this gives

strength

> to

> > >Mars

> > >> > >in 1st. Mars also aspects Sun with 4th drishti this also

makes

> > >mars

> > >> > >nek. However the tree that casts a shadow on ur house is one

> > >aspect

> > >> > >that adversely impacts ur Mars.

> > >> > >This malefic combined with Jupiter in 7th renders u indebted

> > >inspite

> > >> > >of good income. The pipal tree in ur house and also a pooja

> room

> > >are

> > >> > >not good signs. Please take care of this papal tree as a

> living

> > >deity

> > >> > >and don't throw discarded things near it. Our sanskriti says

> > >that the

> > >> > >2nd house of dharansthana and the 8th house of shamshan

should

> > >always

> > >> > >be out of vicinity of village what to say of house. If u

can't

> > >remove

> > >> > >ur pooja room at least remove the idols installed therein

and

> > >please

> > >> > >don't pray with ringing of bells. Ghantiyan bajana barbadi

ka

> > >ghanta

> > >> > >baja dega. Rahu and Saturn also derive support from Jupiter

> > >which is

> > >> > >buniyaadi grah for both of them.

> > >> > >Mercury is quite when seated with sun. Sun in 4th casts its

> rays

> > >> > >directly on 4th house of mars ans also on moon itself in

10th

> > >this

> > >> > >makes the water of ur heart sparkling clean. But please

don't

> > >trade in

> > >> > >liquid medicines or chemicals and never give a prescription

of

> > >liquid

> > >> > >medicine to anyone.

> > >> > >It is good for Saturn that u didn't construct ur own house

> till

> > >now.

> > >> > >48th year will be the most critical year of ur life. Sari

> umar ka

> > >> > >faisla ho jayega.

> > >> > >The upayas for u are.

> > >> > >1. apne kitchen mein lohe ke tawe par meethi roti ka rot

bana

> > >kar baante.

> > >> > >2. jis ped ki chaw aapke makan par padti ha uski jadon mein

43

> > >din tak

> > >> > >paani do.

> > >> > >3. Mandir aur papal ke bare pehle baat ho chuki hai.

> > >> > >4. Suryoday ke samay sarson ka tel ya sharab dharti par

> girayen.

> > >> > >5. Shreer par sona dharan Karen.

> > >> > >6. stainless steel ka ik bejod chala apne haath ki ungli

mein

> > >pehne.

> > >> > >7. Kya aapne apne dahej mein sasural se palang liya tha.

> > >> > >8. ghar mein nila rang na karwain.

> > >> > >9. it is very good that u don't smoke and are a tetoller

this

> is

> > >due

> > >> > >to effect of guru on rahu a nd shani in 11. please continue.

> > >> > >10. ghar mein tulsi ka plant na lagayein.

> > >> > >11. Venus in 5th makes surya a grah of apna rin. Yadi aapke

> > >pushtaini

> > >> > >makan mein ya ab ke makan mein aisi construction hai ki

surya

> ki

> > >> > >roshni chat se aati hai ti yeh baat confirm ho jati hai.

Aapne

> > >apne

> > >> > >khandan ke kulpurohit ki apeksha to nahi ki. This gives

heart

> > >trouble.

> > >> > >Not true valve for education. Karza kissi ke kaam aaye

bharna

> > >aapko

> > >> > >padega. But don't worry this will disappear after 48th

year..

> > >> > >12. shani is alsio a planet of debt.because of moon in

10th.

> The

> > >> > >result of this is ki bante bante kaam bigar jayenge.

> > >> > >100 mazdooron ko sare khandaan se ik saath paise ikathe

karke

> > >khana

> > >> > >khiolaoo.

> > >> > >kulbir

> > >> > >Res.Bains Sb.

> > >> > >will u pls explain it in detail.

> > >> > >regrds

> > >> > >Nandu

> > >> > >On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 ceeta bains wrote :

> > >> > >>nadkishore ji u shouldn't have given the bed back to

> > >> > >>ur in laws if on taking terms with ur inlaws get a bed

> > >> > >> from them.it's important for ketu.

> > >> > >>kulbir

> > >> > >>--- Nandkishore rai rawal

> > >> > >><natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

> > >> > >>>  Respected Kulbeer Ji

> > >> > >>>

> > >> > >>> thank u  very much for your kind analysis and

> > >> > >>> remedial suggestions.

> > >> > >>> Worship of peepal has given me tremendous relief

> > >> > >>> from my problems.My marriage was love marriage and

> > >> > >>> yes they have given me double bed which I have sent

> > >> > >>> back to them.

> > >> > >>> There is as such no kulpurohit in our family being

> > >> > >>> brahmin we our sELVES OR FAMILY MEMBERS R PERFORMING

> > >> > >>> RELIGIOUS RITUAL.

> > >> > >>>

> > >> > >>> THANX AND REGARDS

> > >> > >>> NANDU

> > >> > >sh. Nandkishore ji,

> > >> > >Now you are running in 49th yrs. After the age of 48yrs this

> > >> > >horoscope has reduced the bad effect but in varshaphal of

this

> > >means

> > >> > >49th yr is not good. so you do not taste the sweetned

fruits

> of

> > >this

> > >> > >year. i have some suggations

> > >> > >1. Do not keep Idol in your home temple.

> > >> > >2. do not donate your old clothes.

> > >> > >3. do not take Guru-Updesh in evening.

> > >> > >4. Do not give do nation in day time.

> > >> > >may be your marriage day was Monday,Wednesday or friday plz

> > >confirm

> > >> > >5. Do not go any function that held on Friday.

> > >> > >Upays.

> > >> > >1. Saat Lal-Mirch Dandi vali piley kapdey main lapet kar

> rakheyn.

> > >> > >2. Galey main tambey ka paisa pahney ched karkey piley

dhagey

> > >main.

> > >> > >3. April 2005 tak mandir ke andar na jaa kar bahar se hi

> namskaar

> > >> > >kareyn.

> > >> > >4. April-2005 tak har mahiney ek mitti ka kora gada lekar

> usmey

> > >ek

> > >> > >Paneer ka tukda dal kar chaltey pani main jal-parvaah karey.

> > >> > >ek din main kewal ek upay kareyn. suraj dalney ke bad upay

na

> > >karen.

> > >> > >partyek upay main ek ya do din ka farak rakhain.

> > >> > >aur 40-43 din ke bhitar fourm ko feed back dain.

> > >> > >mudit982001

> > >> > >.Mr. Pancholi has also suggested me a few remedies which I

> would

> > >like

> > >> > >to share with u.

> > >> > >1.He has also suggested to wear a copper coin in neck but in

> > >Khaki

> > >> > >Colour thread.What impact will be there if I will wear it in

> > >Yellow Or

> > >> > >in Khaki.

> > >> > >2.He suggested to bring water from Shamshanghat in a pot

and

> to

> > >keep

> > >> > >it in house.Take rice and silver from mother and tied it in

a

> > >white

> > >> > >cloth and keep with me.

> > >> > >3.Sadhu Santon se door Rahein.

> > >> > >Is it correct or not pls guide me.

> > >> > >My marriage day was Monday.

> > >> > >My d.o.b is 27/04/1956.

> > >> > >Place of Birth : Indore(M.P.)Longi:75:54;Lati:22:42

> > >> > >Time of Birth  :01:33A.M.

> > >> > >I will be highly oblised if you throughly analyse my birth

> chart

> > >and

> > >> > >suggest me some remedies to overcome my problems.

> > >> > >With lots of apologies and humble regards.

> > >> > >Nand kishore

> > >> > >