ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS OF SHRI VIJAY ARORA

[Guest guest]

Vijay Arora ji,

You are more than welcome to clear your doubts at any time on any

question. These question answer session will surely make the exercise

worthwhile.

 

Question no. 1) What is the significance of chandra kundali vis-a-vis

the normal?

Answer. The Chandra-kundali is used to interpret the condition of the

wife of the native. However the effects of the Chandra kundali will

also be manifest prior to marriage of the native. The lagna kundali

represents the right hand of the native and Chandra kundali represents

the left hand of the native. Therefore the Chandra kundali shows the

basic tendencies with which the native is born as a result of karmas

of previous births whereas the lagna kundali shows the tendencies of

the native according to which he will use the element of free will to

utilize or miss the opportunities/obstacles that are offered to him by

destiny. That shows that the effect of lagna kundali will be more

important but in the period of Chandra and shukra the effect of

Chandra kundali will be more pronounced. That's why the results are

more visible after marriage regarding shukra(WIFE).

Suppose the lagna kundali shows success in some field but the native

is failing in attempts than in such situations we have to resort to

Chandra kundali to see the cause e.g. pitri rin etc.

The effects of Chandra kundali are latent, sudden before marriage but

more pronounced after marriage.

We shall discuss it more elaborately when we reach the topic in due

course.

 

2) You seem to be using " Rashi " and " House " synonymously in your

grammar write-up. Are they the same or different? I am somewhat

confused.

Answer no.2. Yes rashi and house are synonymous in lal-kitab system.

When we say house no.1 we mean Aries When house no.11 we mean

Aquarius. Rashi chart is fixed corresponding to House Chart. To

simplify we can say that every chart in lal-kitab is presumed to start

with Aries sign. Rashis occupying the houses with the change of lagna

are ignored.

 

3) In your explanation of " rashiphal " planet you cite 4 scenarios

under which a planet is not of rashifal. I think I followed 3 but

do not understand the last one - " not associated with a planet with

which it has exchanged houses " .

Answer no.3- House exchange means that the planets interchange there

houses on the basis of ownership, exaltation, debilitation and fixed

houses.

e.g. 1. on the basis of ownership= Saturn in house no2 owned by venus

and venus in house no 10 owned by Saturn.

2. on the basis of exaltation = Sun in house no 10 where mars is

exalted and mars in house no.1 where sun is exalted.

3. on the basis of debilitation = Sun in house no 7 where it is

debilitated and Saturn in house no.1 where sun is debilitated.

4. on the basis of fixed houses = Jupiter in house no7 which is a

fixed house of mercury and mercury in house no 9 which is a fixed

house for Jupiter.

 

4) Shouldn't the explanation for " grahphal " planet be just the

reverse of " varshphal " and include those 4 scenarios?

Answer no.4. No, Varshphal means yearly progression/transit of

planets, in lal-kitab system this is seen from tables specially

devised for this purpose. Rashiphal has been discussed earlier and is

a totally separate concept it has nothing to do with transit or

progression.

If there are any further doubts please don't hesitate.

 

KULBIR SINGH BAINS.

 

 

 

lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir Ji:

>

> I truly appreciate the time and effort you are putting in to explain

> the tenets of LK. Thanks again for your zeal and dedication.

>

> Not sure what the process is for asking questions? Is there a

> logical break point or can we ask for clarifications at any point?

> Anyway, for now I will ask a few questions:

>

> 1) What is the significance of chandra kundali vis-a-vis the normal

> kundali (ref # 4283)?

> 2) You seem to be using " Rashi " and " House " synonymously in your

> grammar write-up. Are they the same or different? I am somewhat

> confused (ref # 4318)

> 3) In your explanation of " rashiphal " planet you cite 4 scenarios

> under which a planet is not of rashifal. I think I followed 3 but

> do not understand the last one - " not associated with a planet with

> which it has exchanged houses " . Maybe an example will help ( ref #

> 4318)

> 4) Shouldn't the explanation for " grahphal " planet be just the

> reverse of " varshphal " and include those 4 scenarios? (ref # 4318)?

>

> Regards

> Vijay arora

>

>

>

> lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Incredible effort.

> >

> > Could you please tell what methodology you are going to adopt for

> all

> > lal kitab grammar discussion and learning? If people are knowing

> the

> > process in advance, they will know where to interrupt and where to

> > wait. For example, right now I am confused whether to discuses

> more on

> > houses or move ahead. You have mentioned about the signification of

> > each house. In Lal Kitab, other than signification, some rules are

> > associated with each house. Should we discuss those rules here

> only or

> > those rules should be discussed later.

> >

> > Also I want to request all members to contribute to this effort.

> It is

> > a long awaited effort. Everyone was talking about that we must have

> > some course and discussion on Lal Kitab grammar. Kulbir ji has

> taken a

> > lead this time so everyone should try to get most benefit out of

> it.

> > We are always ahead in bashing and blaming :-) and we should show

> the

> > same intensity in this process of learning.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:33:35 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bains

> > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Exaltation means that through-out the zodiacal belt, there is a

> > > certain area at which, the electromagnetic field of the stars

> > > constituting that rashi/herehouse so complement a certain

> planet's

> > > position at that point that its effects on the terrestrial level

> are

> > > most pronounced. Exactly 180° from this point lies another

> point,

> > > that of the debilitation.

> > >

> > > Debilitation means a state that is a liability. A state of

> weakness

> > > of a planet at a certain degree in a certain sign/here house.

> > >

> > > Permanent house of planets is a concept of NATURAL

> SIGNIFICATORS OF

> > > HOUSES. The natural Significator of a house is designated as

> having a

> > > pakka ghar in that house.

> > >

> > > Ownership- the planet that is owner of the sign corresponding to

> that

> > > house is termed as owner of that house.

> > >

> > > Rashiphal- The planet whose result in a house is doubtful is

> termed as

> > > planet of rashiphal in that house .i.e when the planet is

> posited in a

> > > house where it is not exalted or debilitated; not in a pakka

> ghar i.e.

> > > is not a natural Significator or is associated with a planet

> with

> > > which it has exchanged houses.

> > >

> > > Grahphal-The planet whose results are fixed and cannot be

> altered.

> > > I.e. the planet is in a house of exaltation or debilitation or

> in its

> > > ownership house.

> > > KULBIR BAINS

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Kulbir ji:

 

Thanks for the answers

 

Re # 4 below, I incorrectly used the word " varshphal " instead

of " rashiphal " . What I was trying to confirm was that the very 4

scenarios under which the planet is not of rashiphal are the same

scenarios that would make another planet of grahphal? - apologise

for the confusion

 

Regards

Vijay Arora

 

 

lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains "

<ceetabains> wrote:

>

> Vijay Arora ji,

> You are more than welcome to clear your doubts at any time on any

> question. These question answer session will surely make the

exercise

> worthwhile.

>

> Question no. 1) What is the significance of chandra kundali vis-a-

vis

> the normal?

> Answer. The Chandra-kundali is used to interpret the condition of

the

> wife of the native. However the effects of the Chandra kundali will

> also be manifest prior to marriage of the native. The lagna kundali

> represents the right hand of the native and Chandra kundali

represents

> the left hand of the native. Therefore the Chandra kundali shows

the

> basic tendencies with which the native is born as a result of

karmas

> of previous births whereas the lagna kundali shows the tendencies

of

> the native according to which he will use the element of free will

to

> utilize or miss the opportunities/obstacles that are offered to

him by

> destiny. That shows that the effect of lagna kundali will be more

> important but in the period of Chandra and shukra the effect of

> Chandra kundali will be more pronounced. That's why the results are

> more visible after marriage regarding shukra(WIFE).

> Suppose the lagna kundali shows success in some field but the

native

> is failing in attempts than in such situations we have to resort to

> Chandra kundali to see the cause e.g. pitri rin etc.

> The effects of Chandra kundali are latent, sudden before marriage

but

> more pronounced after marriage.

> We shall discuss it more elaborately when we reach the topic in due

> course.

>

> 2) You seem to be using " Rashi " and " House " synonymously in your

> grammar write-up. Are they the same or different? I am somewhat

> confused.

> Answer no.2. Yes rashi and house are synonymous in lal-kitab

system.

> When we say house no.1 we mean Aries When house no.11 we mean

> Aquarius. Rashi chart is fixed corresponding to House Chart. To

> simplify we can say that every chart in lal-kitab is presumed to

start

> with Aries sign. Rashis occupying the houses with the change of

lagna

> are ignored.

>

> 3) In your explanation of " rashiphal " planet you cite 4 scenarios

> under which a planet is not of rashifal. I think I followed 3 but

> do not understand the last one - " not associated with a planet with

> which it has exchanged houses " .

> Answer no.3- House exchange means that the planets interchange

there

> houses on the basis of ownership, exaltation, debilitation and

fixed

> houses.

> e.g. 1. on the basis of ownership= Saturn in house no2 owned by

venus

> and venus in house no 10 owned by Saturn.

> 2. on the basis of exaltation = Sun in house no 10 where mars is

> exalted and mars in house no.1 where sun is exalted.

> 3. on the basis of debilitation = Sun in house no 7 where it is

> debilitated and Saturn in house no.1 where sun is debilitated.

> 4. on the basis of fixed houses = Jupiter in house no7 which is a

> fixed house of mercury and mercury in house no 9 which is a fixed

> house for Jupiter.

>

> 4) Shouldn't the explanation for " grahphal " planet be just the

> reverse of " varshphal " and include those 4 scenarios?

> Answer no.4. No, Varshphal means yearly progression/transit of

> planets, in lal-kitab system this is seen from tables specially

> devised for this purpose. Rashiphal has been discussed earlier and

is

> a totally separate concept it has nothing to do with transit or

> progression.

> If there are any further doubts please don't hesitate.

>

> KULBIR SINGH BAINS.

>

>

>

> lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir Ji:

> >

> > I truly appreciate the time and effort you are putting in to

explain

> > the tenets of LK. Thanks again for your zeal and dedication.

> >

> > Not sure what the process is for asking questions? Is there a

> > logical break point or can we ask for clarifications at any

point?

> > Anyway, for now I will ask a few questions:

> >

> > 1) What is the significance of chandra kundali vis-a-vis the

normal

> > kundali (ref # 4283)?

> > 2) You seem to be using " Rashi " and " House " synonymously in your

> > grammar write-up. Are they the same or different? I am somewhat

> > confused (ref # 4318)

> > 3) In your explanation of " rashiphal " planet you cite 4

scenarios

> > under which a planet is not of rashifal. I think I followed 3

but

> > do not understand the last one - " not associated with a planet

with

> > which it has exchanged houses " . Maybe an example will help (

ref #

> > 4318)

> > 4) Shouldn't the explanation for " grahphal " planet be just the

> > reverse of " varshphal " and include those 4 scenarios? (ref #

4318)?

> >

> > Regards

> > Vijay arora

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > > Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > Incredible effort.

> > >

> > > Could you please tell what methodology you are going to adopt

for

> > all

> > > lal kitab grammar discussion and learning? If people are

knowing

> > the

> > > process in advance, they will know where to interrupt and

where to

> > > wait. For example, right now I am confused whether to discuses

> > more on

> > > houses or move ahead. You have mentioned about the

signification of

> > > each house. In Lal Kitab, other than signification, some rules

are

> > > associated with each house. Should we discuss those rules here

> > only or

> > > those rules should be discussed later.

> > >

> > > Also I want to request all members to contribute to this

effort.

> > It is

> > > a long awaited effort. Everyone was talking about that we must

have

> > > some course and discussion on Lal Kitab grammar. Kulbir ji has

> > taken a

> > > lead this time so everyone should try to get most benefit out

of

> > it.

> > > We are always ahead in bashing and blaming :-) and we should

show

> > the

> > > same intensity in this process of learning.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:33:35 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bains

> > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Exaltation means that through-out the zodiacal belt, there

is a

> > > > certain area at which, the electromagnetic field of the stars

> > > > constituting that rashi/herehouse so complement a certain

> > planet's

> > > > position at that point that its effects on the terrestrial

level

> > are

> > > > most pronounced. Exactly 180° from this point lies another

> > point,

> > > > that of the debilitation.

> > > >

> > > > Debilitation means a state that is a liability. A state of

> > weakness

> > > > of a planet at a certain degree in a certain sign/here house.

> > > >

> > > > Permanent house of planets is a concept of NATURAL

> > SIGNIFICATORS OF

> > > > HOUSES. The natural Significator of a house is designated as

> > having a

> > > > pakka ghar in that house.

> > > >

> > > > Ownership- the planet that is owner of the sign

corresponding to

> > that

> > > > house is termed as owner of that house.

> > > >

> > > > Rashiphal- The planet whose result in a house is doubtful is

> > termed as

> > > > planet of rashiphal in that house .i.e when the planet is

> > posited in a

> > > > house where it is not exalted or debilitated; not in a pakka

> > ghar i.e.

> > > > is not a natural Significator or is associated with a

planet

> > with

> > > > which it has exchanged houses.

> > > >

> > > > Grahphal-The planet whose results are fixed and cannot be

> > altered.

> > > > I.e. the planet is in a house of exaltation or debilitation

or

> > in its

> > > > ownership house.

> > > > KULBIR BAINS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Vijay ji you are always welcome.

kulbir

 

lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote:

>

>

> Kulbir ji:

>

> Thanks for the answers

>

> Re # 4 below, I incorrectly used the word " varshphal " instead

> of " rashiphal " . What I was trying to confirm was that the very 4

> scenarios under which the planet is not of rashiphal are the same

> scenarios that would make another planet of grahphal? - apologise

> for the confusion

>

> Regards

> Vijay Arora

>

>

> lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains "

> <ceetabains> wrote:

> >

> > Vijay Arora ji,

> > You are more than welcome to clear your doubts at any time on any

> > question. These question answer session will surely make the

> exercise

> > worthwhile.

> >

> > Question no. 1) What is the significance of chandra kundali vis-a-

> vis

> > the normal?

> > Answer. The Chandra-kundali is used to interpret the condition of

> the

> > wife of the native. However the effects of the Chandra kundali will

> > also be manifest prior to marriage of the native. The lagna kundali

> > represents the right hand of the native and Chandra kundali

> represents

> > the left hand of the native. Therefore the Chandra kundali shows

> the

> > basic tendencies with which the native is born as a result of

> karmas

> > of previous births whereas the lagna kundali shows the tendencies

> of

> > the native according to which he will use the element of free will

> to

> > utilize or miss the opportunities/obstacles that are offered to

> him by

> > destiny. That shows that the effect of lagna kundali will be more

> > important but in the period of Chandra and shukra the effect of

> > Chandra kundali will be more pronounced. That's why the results are

> > more visible after marriage regarding shukra(WIFE).

> > Suppose the lagna kundali shows success in some field but the

> native

> > is failing in attempts than in such situations we have to resort to

> > Chandra kundali to see the cause e.g. pitri rin etc.

> > The effects of Chandra kundali are latent, sudden before marriage

> but

> > more pronounced after marriage.

> > We shall discuss it more elaborately when we reach the topic in due

> > course.

> >

> > 2) You seem to be using " Rashi " and " House " synonymously in your

> > grammar write-up. Are they the same or different? I am somewhat

> > confused.

> > Answer no.2. Yes rashi and house are synonymous in lal-kitab

> system.

> > When we say house no.1 we mean Aries When house no.11 we mean

> > Aquarius. Rashi chart is fixed corresponding to House Chart. To

> > simplify we can say that every chart in lal-kitab is presumed to

> start

> > with Aries sign. Rashis occupying the houses with the change of

> lagna

> > are ignored.

> >

> > 3) In your explanation of " rashiphal " planet you cite 4 scenarios

> > under which a planet is not of rashifal. I think I followed 3 but

> > do not understand the last one - " not associated with a planet with

> > which it has exchanged houses " .

> > Answer no.3- House exchange means that the planets interchange

> there

> > houses on the basis of ownership, exaltation, debilitation and

> fixed

> > houses.

> > e.g. 1. on the basis of ownership= Saturn in house no2 owned by

> venus

> > and venus in house no 10 owned by Saturn.

> > 2. on the basis of exaltation = Sun in house no 10 where mars is

> > exalted and mars in house no.1 where sun is exalted.

> > 3. on the basis of debilitation = Sun in house no 7 where it is

> > debilitated and Saturn in house no.1 where sun is debilitated.

> > 4. on the basis of fixed houses = Jupiter in house no7 which is a

> > fixed house of mercury and mercury in house no 9 which is a fixed

> > house for Jupiter.

> >

> > 4) Shouldn't the explanation for " grahphal " planet be just the

> > reverse of " varshphal " and include those 4 scenarios?

> > Answer no.4. No, Varshphal means yearly progression/transit of

> > planets, in lal-kitab system this is seen from tables specially

> > devised for this purpose. Rashiphal has been discussed earlier and

> is

> > a totally separate concept it has nothing to do with transit or

> > progression.

> > If there are any further doubts please don't hesitate.

> >

> > KULBIR SINGH BAINS.

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir Ji:

> > >

> > > I truly appreciate the time and effort you are putting in to

> explain

> > > the tenets of LK. Thanks again for your zeal and dedication.

> > >

> > > Not sure what the process is for asking questions? Is there a

> > > logical break point or can we ask for clarifications at any

> point?

> > > Anyway, for now I will ask a few questions:

> > >

> > > 1) What is the significance of chandra kundali vis-a-vis the

> normal

> > > kundali (ref # 4283)?

> > > 2) You seem to be using " Rashi " and " House " synonymously in your

> > > grammar write-up. Are they the same or different? I am somewhat

> > > confused (ref # 4318)

> > > 3) In your explanation of " rashiphal " planet you cite 4

> scenarios

> > > under which a planet is not of rashifal. I think I followed 3

> but

> > > do not understand the last one - " not associated with a planet

> with

> > > which it has exchanged houses " . Maybe an example will help (

> ref #

> > > 4318)

> > > 4) Shouldn't the explanation for " grahphal " planet be just the

> > > reverse of " varshphal " and include those 4 scenarios? (ref #

> 4318)?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Vijay arora

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Incredible effort.

> > > >

> > > > Could you please tell what methodology you are going to adopt

> for

> > > all

> > > > lal kitab grammar discussion and learning? If people are

> knowing

> > > the

> > > > process in advance, they will know where to interrupt and

> where to

> > > > wait. For example, right now I am confused whether to discuses

> > > more on

> > > > houses or move ahead. You have mentioned about the

> signification of

> > > > each house. In Lal Kitab, other than signification, some rules

> are

> > > > associated with each house. Should we discuss those rules here

> > > only or

> > > > those rules should be discussed later.

> > > >

> > > > Also I want to request all members to contribute to this

> effort.

> > > It is

> > > > a long awaited effort. Everyone was talking about that we must

> have

> > > > some course and discussion on Lal Kitab grammar. Kulbir ji has

> > > taken a

> > > > lead this time so everyone should try to get most benefit out

> of

> > > it.

> > > > We are always ahead in bashing and blaming :-) and we should

> show

> > > the

> > > > same intensity in this process of learning.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:33:35 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bains

> > > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Exaltation means that through-out the zodiacal belt, there

> is a

> > > > > certain area at which, the electromagnetic field of the stars

> > > > > constituting that rashi/herehouse so complement a certain

> > > planet's

> > > > > position at that point that its effects on the terrestrial

> level

> > > are

> > > > > most pronounced. Exactly 180° from this point lies another

> > > point,

> > > > > that of the debilitation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Debilitation means a state that is a liability. A state of

> > > weakness

> > > > > of a planet at a certain degree in a certain sign/here house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Permanent house of planets is a concept of NATURAL

> > > SIGNIFICATORS OF

> > > > > HOUSES. The natural Significator of a house is designated as

> > > having a

> > > > > pakka ghar in that house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ownership- the planet that is owner of the sign

> corresponding to

> > > that

> > > > > house is termed as owner of that house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashiphal- The planet whose result in a house is doubtful is

> > > termed as

> > > > > planet of rashiphal in that house .i.e when the planet is

> > > posited in a

> > > > > house where it is not exalted or debilitated; not in a pakka

> > > ghar i.e.

> > > > > is not a natural Significator or is associated with a

> planet

> > > with

> > > > > which it has exchanged houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Grahphal-The planet whose results are fixed and cannot be

> > > altered.

> > > > > I.e. the planet is in a house of exaltation or debilitation

> or

> > > in its

> > > > > ownership house.

> > > > > KULBIR BAINS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >