SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

[Guest guest]

Extremely well spoken Guptaji. I salute you.

 

Ritu

 

 

 

lalkitab , " m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in> wrote:

> Dear Respectable & Honourable Members,

> 1] Firstly, I request all members to respect each

> other even if somebody commits mistake. One gets

> respect if he/she gives respect. Please maintain

> decorum and prestige of the great group. Please do not

> allow your SUN (surya/ravi) to act in this forum (If I

> am wrong, please somebody may correct it). Please

> restrain from passing derogatory remarks on others for

> any reason. Here all members are respectable and

> honourable. As far as spellings are concerned in true

> sense, then in internet comunication language, short

> forms are being used, sense is important and not its

> spellings.

> 2] Secondly, as far as 'seminar' is concerned, if

> somebody works then mistakes do take place. Mistakes

> indicate that the person is working and not passive.

> So forget mistakes, learn from history/past, improve

> next event whenever it takes place. I propose that we

> shall celebrate Anniversary every year in the form of

> seminar/workshop and a sub-committee be formed 3

> months or 1 year in advance for each year to manage

> the entire event. I propose to have a picnic once in a

> year. I feel personally that in this way, we may be

> able to bring more cohesiveness among members.

> 3] Thirdly, as far as training is concerned - Guru bi

> gyan kahan - then first we should learn respecting

> Guru. Even if 'Guru' is not gentle - i.e. may be harsh

> / abusive - Shishya has to respect him like army

> orders. We should remember that Eklavya had given his

> thumb to his Guru on demand as Gurudakshina, Lakshaman

> & Ram had to stand on foot side of Ravana to take

> Gyan, then in this forum if Guru didnot interact

> properly with novice, then such things can always be

> ignored and not taken note of, Shishya should be

> concerned with Gyan only and not with its attachments.

> Shishya has to learn that he should pick up good

> things and knowledge from Gurus and drop bad things.

> Here all seniors are Gurus and all juniors are

> Shishya. So all juniors of this group are learning by

> e-mail interaction method from Gurus.

> 4] Lastly, we should forget bad past and try to see

> the golden future.

> Regards to all Members,

> M.R. GUPTA

> --- Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

>

> > Rakesh ji/ Nandkishore ji,

> >

> > Please stop fighting on petty matters. Let us think

> > in a positive direction.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:25:25 -0000, rakeshsahgal

> > <rakeshsahgal> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > " Etiquette " thats how it is spelled. Go to

> > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette

> > and look up the

> > > meaning. Uske baad istemaal karna. Jitni samajh ho

> > utni baat karaa

> > > karo. Zyaada bhaari bharkam lafaz bolne se gyaani

> > nahi dikhoge, ulte

> > > bewaqoof lagoge.

> > >

> > > Few so called experts? Without them this forum is

> > ZILCH.

> > >

> > > You seem to be an expert in orgies. Freud ki

> > aulaad ho kyaa? Naam

> > > sunaa hai Sigmund Freud kaa?

> > >

> > > Mr. Pancholi's expertise was and is keenly looked

> > forward to. Hopefuly

> > > he will exhibit it some day.

> > >

> > > Ms Padhye kept on harping on NON LK issues. The

> > forum owner Punit ji

> > > had time and again expresed his desire that only

> > LK related matters be

> > > dwelt upon on this forum. This is a matter of

> > record , go look up the

> > > archives. If the seniors dont set the direction,

> > who will?

> > >

> > > Priya Bhooshan - She is quite knowledgeable in

> > astrology and seems

> > > pretty well versed in LK as well, even though she

> > doesnt admit it. It

> > > is a pity she instead of putting her knowledge to

> > good use is more

> > > interested in being a nag. In anycase thats her

> > choice.

> > >

> > > R S

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " Nandkishore rai

> > rawal "

> > > <natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This forum has become place of mental orgy for

> > few so called experts

> > > who dont want any other person to be recognised by

> > other members of

> > > the forum.Take case of Vsumati,Bhnupriya Or

> > Pancholi whosoever tried

> > > to give some suggestion these so called experts

> > and senior members

> > > attacked them like any thing crossing all the

> > limits of descency and

> > > social aticates.

> > > >

> > > > Nandu

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 Anand,Mukesh wrote :

> > > > >request to ALL,

> > > > > please stop

> > discussing the past and

> > > discuss

> > > > >future . i am tired too see all chain of mail

> > on seminar and

> > > course .

> > > > >Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems .

> > lets start soving

> > > them

> > > > >plz.

> > > > >

> > > > >Regards

> > > > >Mukesh Anand

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > >

> > > > > m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in]

> > > > >Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM

> > > > >lalkitab

> > > > >Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED

> > 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other

> > respected and

> > > > >honourable Group Members,

> > > > >I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate

> > from

> > > > >IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property

> > > > >Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in

> > vedic/

> > > > >lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that

> > as per

> > > > >Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in

> > astrology.

> > > > >I joined this group, I suppose as others have

> > joined,

> > > > >as a hobby got developed from within about

> > astrology

> > > > >and to go into its deeper and deeper to get

> > Godly

> > > > >knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other

> > > > >Members, seeing such unwanted painful

> > developments

> > > > >taking place among our seniors. I sincerely

> > suggest to

> > > > >close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar'

> > and

> > > > >'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up

> > > > >misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the

> > 'bad' past

> > > > >and start moving in +ve direction again.

> > > > >I hope members will take my suggestion in right

> > spirit

> > > > >and put full stop here itself on the

> > contraversies.

> > > > >Thanking you,

> > > > >M.R. GUPTA

> > > > >--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all members,

> > > > > > First of all i thank all those who have

> > tried to

> > > > > > understand my

> > > > > > intentions behind organising the seminar.

> > All those

> > > > > > who attended the

> > > > > > seminar are witness that the only purpose

> > was to do

> > > > > > some service to

> > > > > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through

> > this

> > > > > > book and it was a

> > > > > > small effort to repay something.

> > > > > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit

> > in

> > > > > > particular that they

> > > > > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble

> > service.

> > > > > > Punit ji i must

> > > > > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made

> > the

> > > > > > chief guest for the

> > > > > > occasion and the seminar started three hours

> > late

> > > > > > because we

> > > > > > continued to wait for you. I personally

> > tried to

> > > > > > contact on your

> > > > > > mobile number so many times but your mobile

> > was

> > > > > > switched off. But one

> > > > > > day earlier you had given your confirmation

> > to

> > > > > > attend the seminar to

> > > > > > me on phone. About the seminar events i

> > needn't say

> > > > > > much as the

> > > > > > members who attended have clearly listed

> > them and

> > > > > > also the fact that

> > > > > > the material distributed had Lalkitab

> > group

> > > > > > inscribed on it and

> > > > > > the certificates were also from your side.

> > > > > > But i am terribly pained at the recent

> > developments

> > > > > > at the group

> > > > > > questioning my very motives. I promise to

> > leave

> > > > > > astrology even if one

> > > > > > of the allegations levelled against me is

> > > > > > substainted in any way.

> > > > > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came

> > from the

> > > > > > group, I only

> > > > > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that

> > learning

> > > > > > astrology is not

> > > > > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

> > > > > > prabhakar tried to

> > > > > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the

> > aspirants.

> > > > > > As you say that

> > > > > > you have problems inspite of putting in two

> > years

> > > > > > labour, the same

> > > > > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the

> > > > > > guidelines from me ,

> > > > > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking

> > up fast.

> > > > > > We were only

> > > > > > trying to repeat this experiment with all

> > those who

> > > > > > desire to learn.

> > > > > > I again challenge anyone to prove any

> > material

> > > > > > motive behind the

> > > > > > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > > > > > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i

> > still

> > > > > > can't understand

> > > > > > what you mean things being done at your back

> > to

> > > > > > benefit a few. How do

> > > > > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For

> > your kind

> > > > > > information I too

> > > > > > have contributed in grooming this group.

> > Kindly

> > > > > > check the previous

> > > > > > messages and you will get the clear picture.

> > This

> > > > > > group is not your

> > > > > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

> > > > > > Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > > > > > Khattar and many others have contributed a

> > lot in

> > > > > > making this group a

> > > > > > success. There is no pointing finger from

> > them. Do

> > > > > > you think that by

> > > > > > just opening the group you have the final

> > word. May

> > > > > > I ask does your

> > > > > > contribution match with any of the above

> > listed.

> > > > > > Regarding opening

> > > > > > the group I think it's free and their are

> > many

> > > > > > groups opened

> > > > > > everyday. What makes a group a success is

> > the

> > > > > > members who work and

> > > > > > the group belongs to them also. May i know

> > what

> > > > > > expertise you have

> > > > > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes

> > you

> > > > > > have analysed, did

> > > > > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas?

> > See for

> > > > > > yourself how many

> > > > > > members ask you for analysis of thier

> > kundalis. You

> > > > > > have levelled

> > > > > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled

> > comments. Ask

> > > > > > the members who

> > > > > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to

> > apply

> > > > > > in the forum, .

> > > > > > I think you felt insecure about your mission

> > which

> > > > > > you only know and

> > > > > > is hidden to us.

> > > > > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in

> > the

> > > > > > process of editing and

> > > > > > making one or two out of them by deleting

> > > > > > unneccessary material. We

> > > > > > are not even charging any member for it.

> > > > > > Incidentally it was you who

> > > > > > told me not to load these files.

> > > > > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam

> > kareyn

> > > > > > aap un par

> > > > > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab

> > ki

> > > > > > promotion ke liye

> > > > > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab

> > ke naam

> > > > > > se hi chal raha

> > > > > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne

> > muze es

> > > > > > baat ke liye

> > > > > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam

> > dekhoon

> > > > > > aur agar muze lal-

> > > > > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi

> > jagah

> > > > > > dekhun jahan koi

> > > > > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak

> > na kar

> > > > > > skeyn. Kuch members

> > > > > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main

> > kis grah

> > > > > > ka symtum puch

> > > > > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye

> > vo

> > > > > > faydemand hota

> > > > > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi

> > jaantey ki

> > > > > > main jab makan

> > > > > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

> > > > > > sambandhit hey? main kisi

> > > > > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya

> > ye thik

> > > > > > rahega?

> > > > > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur

> > experts ko

> > > > > > kyon nahin bulaya

> > > > > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad

> > dekheyn jo

> > > > > > unhey di gai thi

> > > > > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to

> > main

> > > > > > batata hoon ki yeh

> > > > > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi

> > tha sirf

> > > > > > ekka-dukka merey

> > > > > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main

> > pichley 10-12

> > > > > > saal se es field

> > > > > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

> > > > > > jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

> > > > > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey

> > dikha

> > > > > > dun.

> > > > > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi

> > baat ko

> > > > > > pura jaaney bina

> > > > > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi

> > ilzaam na

> > > > > > lagayen to acha

> > > > > > hoga.

> > > > > > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar

> > main hua

> > > > > > veh sab hamney

> > > > > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene

> > Jyotish-mail jo

> > > > > > ki ek computer

> > > > > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load

> > kartey

> > > > > > hain to turant

> > > > > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na

> > kareyn(check

> > > > > > previous massage)

> > > > > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper

> > main sirf

> > > > > > seminar ki

> > > > > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load

> > karna

> > > > > > jaruri nahin

> > > > > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo

> > load

> > > > > > hey. Kya aapney usey

> > > > > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey

> > main bhi

> > > > > > to likhtey.

> > > > > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin

> > bataya to

> > > > > > punit ji humney kisi

> > > > > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin

> > bheja

> > > > > > sirf fourm main

> > > > > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi

> > thi kya

> > > > > > agenda hona

> > > > > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda

> > bana vo

> > > > > > humney board par

> > > > > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney

> > ke

> > > > > > baad) dala tha( See

> > > > > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi

> > nahin to

> > > > > > hum jo ki

> > > > > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla

> > sakey

> > > > > > chalaya. To kon kon

> > > > > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat

> > se

> > > > > > aapko koi narajgi

> > > > > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > > > > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni

> > es

> > > > > > galatfahmi ko door

> > > > > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka

> > koi

> > > > > > fayda udhaya hey

> > > > > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members

> > ko

> > > > > > apani puri takat se

> > > > > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi

> > tarah

> > > > > > jaan leyn ki main ek

> > > > > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda

> > delhi se

> > > > > > nikalaney valey

> > > > > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye

> > to sirf

> > > > > > Lal-kitanb ke

> > > > > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab

> > karney ke

> > > > > > liye utsahit kiya.

> > > > > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3

> > websites

> > > > > > astrologypoint.com,

> > umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com

> > > > > > bhi heyn jinmey

> > > > > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye

> > free main

> > > > > > apna horoscope

> > > > > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

> > > > > > samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> > > > > > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway

> > hain ke

> > > > > > baarey main nahin

> > > > > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey

> > main

> > > > > > jaan saktey hain.

> > > > > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo

> > ke liye

> > > > > > yeh " Way of Life "

> > > > > > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > > > > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi

> > aapko koi

> > > > > > galatfahmi rah

> > > > > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man

> > main koi

> > > > > > bhi bhar na rakheyn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mudit982001

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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