RE: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

October 15, 2004

Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other respected and

honourable Group Members,

I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate from

IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property

Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in vedic/

lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that as per

Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in astrology.

I joined this group, I suppose as others have joined,

as a hobby got developed from within about astrology

and to go into its deeper and deeper to get Godly

knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other

Members, seeing such unwanted painful developments

taking place among our seniors. I sincerely suggest to

close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar' and

'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up

misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the 'bad' past

and start moving in +ve direction again.

I hope members will take my suggestion in right spirit

and put full stop here itself on the contraversies.

Thanking you,

M.R. GUPTA

--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001 wrote:

>

> Dear all members,

> First of all i thank all those who have tried to

> understand my

> intentions behind organising the seminar. All those

> who attended the

> seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do

> some service to

> this graet book. I have gained a lot through this

> book and it was a

> small effort to repay something.

> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in

> particular that they

> lend me the opportunity to do some humble service.

> Punit ji i must

> say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the

> chief guest for the

> occasion and the seminar started three hours late

> because we

> continued to wait for you. I personally tried to

> contact on your

> mobile number so many times but your mobile was

> switched off. But one

> day earlier you had given your confirmation to

> attend the seminar to

> me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say

> much as the

> members who attended have clearly listed them and

> also the fact that

> the material distributed had Lalkitab

> inscribed on it and

> the certificates were also from your side.

> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments

> at the group

> questioning my very motives. I promise to leave

> astrology even if one

> of the allegations levelled against me is

> substainted in any way.

> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the

> group, I only

> responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning

> astrology is not

> that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

> prabhakar tried to

> formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants.

> As you say that

> you have problems inspite of putting in two years

> labour, the same

> was the case with kulbir but once he got the

> guidelines from me ,

> prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast.

> We were only

> trying to repeat this experiment with all those who

> desire to learn.

> I again challenge anyone to prove any material

> motive behind the

> seminar event or this teaching course.

> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still

> can't understand

> what you mean things being done at your back to

> benefit a few. How do

> you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind

> information I too

> have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly

> check the previous

> messages and you will get the clear picture. This

> group is not your

> sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

> Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in

> making this group a

> success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do

> you think that by

> just opening the group you have the final word. May

> I ask does your

> contribution match with any of the above listed.

> Regarding opening

> the group I think it's free and their are many

> groups opened

> everyday. What makes a group a success is the

> members who work and

> the group belongs to them also. May i know what

> expertise you have

> about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you

> have analysed, did

> thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for

> yourself how many

> members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You

> have levelled

> totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask

> the members who

> tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply

> in the forum, .

> I think you felt insecure about your mission which

> you only know and

> is hidden to us.

> I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the

> process of editing and

> making one or two out of them by deleting

> unneccessary material. We

> are not even charging any member for it.

> Incidentally it was you who

> told me not to load these files.

> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn

> aap un par

> bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki

> promotion ke liye

> galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam

> se hi chal raha

> hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es

> baat ke liye

> mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon

> aur agar muze lal-

> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah

> dekhun jahan koi

> meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar

> skeyn. Kuch members

> ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah

> ka symtum puch

> raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo

> faydemand hota

> parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki

> main jab makan

> ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

> sambandhit hey? main kisi

> bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik

> rahega?

> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko

> kyon nahin bulaya

> gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo

> unhey di gai thi

> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main

> batata hoon ki yeh

> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf

> ekka-dukka merey

> mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12

> saal se es field

> main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

> jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha

> dun.

> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko

> pura jaaney bina

> aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na

> lagayen to acha

> hoga.

> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua

> veh sab hamney

> board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo

> ki ek computer

> Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey

> hain to turant

> aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check

> previous massage)

> jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf

> seminar ki

> parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna

> jaruri nahin

> samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load

> hey. Kya aapney usey

> pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi

> to likhtey.

> 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to

> punit ji humney kisi

> key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja

> sirf fourm main

> request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya

> agenda hona

> chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo

> humney board par

> do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke

> baad) dala tha( See

> privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to

> hum jo ki

> nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey

> chalaya. To kon kon

> sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se

> aapko koi narajgi

> jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es

> galatfahmi ko door

> kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi

> fayda udhaya hey

> bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko

> apani puri takat se

> fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah

> jaan leyn ki main ek

> Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se

> nikalaney valey

> newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf

> Lal-kitanb ke

> Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke

> liye utsahit kiya.

> Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com

> bhi heyn jinmey

> se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main

> apna horoscope

> jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

> samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke

> baarey main nahin

> janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main

> jaan saktey hain.

> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye

> yeh " Way of Life "

> hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi

> galatfahmi rah

> gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi

> bhi bhar na rakheyn.

>

> sincerely

>

> mudit982001

>

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October 15, 2004

request to ALL,

please stop discussing the past and discuss future . i am tired too see all chain of mail on seminar and course . Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems . lets start soving them plz.

Regards

Mukesh Anand

m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in] Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PMlalkitab Subject: Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other respected andhonourable Group Members,I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate fromIIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in PropertyValuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in vedic/lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that as perShri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in astrology.I joined this group, I suppose as others have joined,as a hobby got developed from within about astrologyand to go into its deeper and deeper to get Godlyknowledge. It pained me and I suppose all otherMembers, seeing such unwanted painful developmentstaking place among our seniors. I sincerely suggest toclose everthing about the chapters of 'seminar' and'training' which are unnecessarily cropping upmisunderstandings. I suggest to forget the 'bad' pastand start moving in +ve direction again.I hope members will take my suggestion in right spiritand put full stop here itself on the contraversies.Thanking you,M.R. GUPTA --- Mudit982001 <mudit982001 wrote:> > Dear all members,> First of all i thank all those who have tried to> understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those> who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do> some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this> book and it was a > small effort to repay something.> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in> particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service.> Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the> chief guest for the > occasion and the seminar started three hours late> because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to> contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was> switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to> attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say> much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and> also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab > inscribed on it and > the certificates were also from your side.> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments> at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave> astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is> substainted in any way.> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the> group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning> astrology is not > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and> prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants.> As you say that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years> labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the> guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast.> We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who> desire to learn.> I again challenge anyone to prove any material> motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course.> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still> can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to> benefit a few. How do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind> information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly> check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This> group is not your > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,> Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in> making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do> you think that by > just opening the group you have the final word. May> I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed.> Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many> groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the> members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what> expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you> have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for> yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You> have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask> the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply> in the forum, .> I think you felt insecure about your mission which> you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the> process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting> unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it.> Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files.> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn> aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki> promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam> se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es> baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon> aur agar muze lal-> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah> dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar> skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah> ka symtum puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo> faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki> main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se> sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik> rahega?> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko> kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo> unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main> batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf> ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12> saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300> jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha> dun.> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko> pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na> lagayen to acha > hoga.> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua> veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo> ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey> hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check> previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf> seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna> jaruri nahin > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load> hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi> to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to> punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja> sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya> agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo> humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke> baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to> hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey> chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se> aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es> galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi> fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko> apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah> jaan leyn ki main ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se> nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf> Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke> liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com> bhi heyn jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main> apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap> samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke> baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main> jaan saktey hain.> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye> yeh "Way of Life" > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi> galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi> bhi bhar na rakheyn.> > sincerely> > mudit982001 > > > > > > > _______________________________Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!http://vote.

October 15, 2004

This forum has become place of mental orgy for few so called experts who dont want any other person to be recognised by other members of the forum.Take case of Vsumati,Bhnupriya Or Pancholi whosoever tried to give some suggestion these so called experts and senior members attacked them like any thing crossing all the limits of descency and social aticates.

Nandu

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 Anand,Mukesh wrote :

>request to ALL,

> please stop discussing the past and discuss

>future . i am tired too see all chain of mail on seminar and course .

>Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems . lets start soving them

>plz.

>

>Regards

>Mukesh Anand

>

>________________________________

>

> m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in]

>Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM

>lalkitab

>Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

>

>Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other respected and

>honourable Group Members,

>I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate from

>IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property

>Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in vedic/

>lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that as per

>Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in astrology.

>I joined this group, I suppose as others have joined,

>as a hobby got developed from within about astrology

>and to go into its deeper and deeper to get Godly

>knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other

>Members, seeing such unwanted painful developments

>taking place among our seniors. I sincerely suggest to

>close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar' and

>'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up

>misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the 'bad' past

>and start moving in +ve direction again.

>I hope members will take my suggestion in right spirit

>and put full stop here itself on the contraversies.

>Thanking you,

>M.R. GUPTA

>--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear all members,

> > First of all i thank all those who have tried to

> > understand my

> > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those

> > who attended the

> > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do

> > some service to

> > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this

> > book and it was a

> > small effort to repay something.

> > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in

> > particular that they

> > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service.

> > Punit ji i must

> > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the

> > chief guest for the

> > occasion and the seminar started three hours late

> > because we

> > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to

> > contact on your

> > mobile number so many times but your mobile was

> > switched off. But one

> > day earlier you had given your confirmation to

> > attend the seminar to

> > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say

> > much as the

> > members who attended have clearly listed them and

> > also the fact that

> > the material distributed had Lalkitab

> > inscribed on it and

> > the certificates were also from your side.

> > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments

> > at the group

> > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave

> > astrology even if one

> > of the allegations levelled against me is

> > substainted in any way.

> > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the

> > group, I only

> > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning

> > astrology is not

> > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

> > prabhakar tried to

> > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants.

> > As you say that

> > you have problems inspite of putting in two years

> > labour, the same

> > was the case with kulbir but once he got the

> > guidelines from me ,

> > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast.

> > We were only

> > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who

> > desire to learn.

> > I again challenge anyone to prove any material

> > motive behind the

> > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still

> > can't understand

> > what you mean things being done at your back to

> > benefit a few. How do

> > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind

> > information I too

> > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly

> > check the previous

> > messages and you will get the clear picture. This

> > group is not your

> > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

> > Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in

> > making this group a

> > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do

> > you think that by

> > just opening the group you have the final word. May

> > I ask does your

> > contribution match with any of the above listed.

> > Regarding opening

> > the group I think it's free and their are many

> > groups opened

> > everyday. What makes a group a success is the

> > members who work and

> > the group belongs to them also. May i know what

> > expertise you have

> > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you

> > have analysed, did

> > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for

> > yourself how many

> > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You

> > have levelled

> > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask

> > the members who

> > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply

> > in the forum, .

> > I think you felt insecure about your mission which

> > you only know and

> > is hidden to us.

> > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the

> > process of editing and

> > making one or two out of them by deleting

> > unneccessary material. We

> > are not even charging any member for it.

> > Incidentally it was you who

> > told me not to load these files.

> > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn

> > aap un par

> > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki

> > promotion ke liye

> > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam

> > se hi chal raha

> > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es

> > baat ke liye

> > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon

> > aur agar muze lal-

> > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah

> > dekhun jahan koi

> > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar

> > skeyn. Kuch members

> > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah

> > ka symtum puch

> > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo

> > faydemand hota

> > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki

> > main jab makan

> > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

> > sambandhit hey? main kisi

> > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik

> > rahega?

> > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko

> > kyon nahin bulaya

> > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo

> > unhey di gai thi

> > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main

> > batata hoon ki yeh

> > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf

> > ekka-dukka merey

> > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12

> > saal se es field

> > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

> > jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

> > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha

> > dun.

> > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko

> > pura jaaney bina

> > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na

> > lagayen to acha

> > hoga.

> > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua

> > veh sab hamney

> > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo

> > ki ek computer

> > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey

> > hain to turant

> > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check

> > previous massage)

> > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf

> > seminar ki

> > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna

> > jaruri nahin

> > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load

> > hey. Kya aapney usey

> > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi

> > to likhtey.

> > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to

> > punit ji humney kisi

> > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja

> > sirf fourm main

> > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya

> > agenda hona

> > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo

> > humney board par

> > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke

> > baad) dala tha( See

> > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to

> > hum jo ki

> > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey

> > chalaya. To kon kon

> > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se

> > aapko koi narajgi

> > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es

> > galatfahmi ko door

> > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi

> > fayda udhaya hey

> > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko

> > apani puri takat se

> > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah

> > jaan leyn ki main ek

> > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se

> > nikalaney valey

> > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf

> > Lal-kitanb ke

> > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke

> > liye utsahit kiya.

> > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com

> > bhi heyn jinmey

> > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main

> > apna horoscope

> > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

> > samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke

> > baarey main nahin

> > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main

> > jaan saktey hain.

> > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye

> > yeh " Way of Life "

> > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi

> > galatfahmi rah

> > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi

> > bhi bhar na rakheyn.

> >

> > sincerely

> >

> > mudit982001

> >

>

>_______________________________

>

>Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!

>http://vote.

>

October 15, 2004

" Etiquette " thats how it is spelled. Go to

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette and look up the

meaning. Uske baad istemaal karna. Jitni samajh ho utni baat karaa

karo. Zyaada bhaari bharkam lafaz bolne se gyaani nahi dikhoge, ulte

bewaqoof lagoge.

Few so called experts? Without them this forum is ZILCH.

You seem to be an expert in orgies. Freud ki aulaad ho kyaa? Naam

sunaa hai Sigmund Freud kaa?

Mr. Pancholi's expertise was and is keenly looked forward to. Hopefuly

he will exhibit it some day.

Ms Padhye kept on harping on NON LK issues. The forum owner Punit ji

had time and again expresed his desire that only LK related matters be

dwelt upon on this forum. This is a matter of record , go look up the

archives. If the seniors dont set the direction, who will?

Priya Bhooshan - She is quite knowledgeable in astrology and seems

pretty well versed in LK as well, even though she doesnt admit it. It

is a pity she instead of putting her knowledge to good use is more

interested in being a nag. In anycase thats her choice.

R S

lalkitab , " Nandkishore rai rawal "

<natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

>

> This forum has become place of mental orgy for few so called experts

who dont want any other person to be recognised by other members of

the forum.Take case of Vsumati,Bhnupriya Or Pancholi whosoever tried

to give some suggestion these so called experts and senior members

attacked them like any thing crossing all the limits of descency and

social aticates.

>

> Nandu

>

> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 Anand,Mukesh wrote :

> >request to ALL,

> > please stop discussing the past and

discuss

> >future . i am tired too see all chain of mail on seminar and

course .

> >Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems . lets start soving

them

> >plz.

> >

> >Regards

> >Mukesh Anand

> >

> >________________________________

> >

> > m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in]

> >Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM

> >lalkitab

> >Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

> >

> >Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other respected and

> >honourable Group Members,

> >I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate from

> >IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property

> >Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in vedic/

> >lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that as per

> >Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in astrology.

> >I joined this group, I suppose as others have joined,

> >as a hobby got developed from within about astrology

> >and to go into its deeper and deeper to get Godly

> >knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other

> >Members, seeing such unwanted painful developments

> >taking place among our seniors. I sincerely suggest to

> >close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar' and

> >'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up

> >misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the 'bad' past

> >and start moving in +ve direction again.

> >I hope members will take my suggestion in right spirit

> >and put full stop here itself on the contraversies.

> >Thanking you,

> >M.R. GUPTA

> >--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear all members,

> > > First of all i thank all those who have tried to

> > > understand my

> > > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those

> > > who attended the

> > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do

> > > some service to

> > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this

> > > book and it was a

> > > small effort to repay something.

> > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in

> > > particular that they

> > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service.

> > > Punit ji i must

> > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the

> > > chief guest for the

> > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late

> > > because we

> > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to

> > > contact on your

> > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was

> > > switched off. But one

> > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to

> > > attend the seminar to

> > > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say

> > > much as the

> > > members who attended have clearly listed them and

> > > also the fact that

> > > the material distributed had Lalkitab

> > > inscribed on it and

> > > the certificates were also from your side.

> > > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments

> > > at the group

> > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave

> > > astrology even if one

> > > of the allegations levelled against me is

> > > substainted in any way.

> > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the

> > > group, I only

> > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning

> > > astrology is not

> > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

> > > prabhakar tried to

> > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants.

> > > As you say that

> > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years

> > > labour, the same

> > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the

> > > guidelines from me ,

> > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast.

> > > We were only

> > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who

> > > desire to learn.

> > > I again challenge anyone to prove any material

> > > motive behind the

> > > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still

> > > can't understand

> > > what you mean things being done at your back to

> > > benefit a few. How do

> > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind

> > > information I too

> > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly

> > > check the previous

> > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This

> > > group is not your

> > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

> > > Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in

> > > making this group a

> > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do

> > > you think that by

> > > just opening the group you have the final word. May

> > > I ask does your

> > > contribution match with any of the above listed.

> > > Regarding opening

> > > the group I think it's free and their are many

> > > groups opened

> > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the

> > > members who work and

> > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what

> > > expertise you have

> > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you

> > > have analysed, did

> > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for

> > > yourself how many

> > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You

> > > have levelled

> > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask

> > > the members who

> > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply

> > > in the forum, .

> > > I think you felt insecure about your mission which

> > > you only know and

> > > is hidden to us.

> > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the

> > > process of editing and

> > > making one or two out of them by deleting

> > > unneccessary material. We

> > > are not even charging any member for it.

> > > Incidentally it was you who

> > > told me not to load these files.

> > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn

> > > aap un par

> > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki

> > > promotion ke liye

> > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam

> > > se hi chal raha

> > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es

> > > baat ke liye

> > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon

> > > aur agar muze lal-

> > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah

> > > dekhun jahan koi

> > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar

> > > skeyn. Kuch members

> > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah

> > > ka symtum puch

> > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo

> > > faydemand hota

> > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki

> > > main jab makan

> > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

> > > sambandhit hey? main kisi

> > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik

> > > rahega?

> > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko

> > > kyon nahin bulaya

> > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo

> > > unhey di gai thi

> > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main

> > > batata hoon ki yeh

> > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf

> > > ekka-dukka merey

> > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12

> > > saal se es field

> > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

> > > jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

> > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha

> > > dun.

> > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko

> > > pura jaaney bina

> > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na

> > > lagayen to acha

> > > hoga.

> > > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua

> > > veh sab hamney

> > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo

> > > ki ek computer

> > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey

> > > hain to turant

> > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check

> > > previous massage)

> > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf

> > > seminar ki

> > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna

> > > jaruri nahin

> > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load

> > > hey. Kya aapney usey

> > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi

> > > to likhtey.

> > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to

> > > punit ji humney kisi

> > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja

> > > sirf fourm main

> > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya

> > > agenda hona

> > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo

> > > humney board par

> > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke

> > > baad) dala tha( See

> > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to

> > > hum jo ki

> > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey

> > > chalaya. To kon kon

> > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se

> > > aapko koi narajgi

> > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es

> > > galatfahmi ko door

> > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi

> > > fayda udhaya hey

> > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko

> > > apani puri takat se

> > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah

> > > jaan leyn ki main ek

> > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se

> > > nikalaney valey

> > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf

> > > Lal-kitanb ke

> > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke

> > > liye utsahit kiya.

> > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com

> > > bhi heyn jinmey

> > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main

> > > apna horoscope

> > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

> > > samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> > > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke

> > > baarey main nahin

> > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main

> > > jaan saktey hain.

> > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye

> > > yeh " Way of Life "

> > > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi

> > > galatfahmi rah

> > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi

> > > bhi bhar na rakheyn.

> > >

> > > sincerely

> > >

> > > mudit982001

> > >

> >

> >_______________________________

> >

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October 15, 2004

Rakesh ji/ Nandkishore ji,

Please stop fighting on petty matters. Let us think in a positive direction.

Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:25:25 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote:

>

> " Etiquette " thats how it is spelled. Go to

> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette and look up the

> meaning. Uske baad istemaal karna. Jitni samajh ho utni baat karaa

> karo. Zyaada bhaari bharkam lafaz bolne se gyaani nahi dikhoge, ulte

> bewaqoof lagoge.

>

> Few so called experts? Without them this forum is ZILCH.

>

> You seem to be an expert in orgies. Freud ki aulaad ho kyaa? Naam

> sunaa hai Sigmund Freud kaa?

>

> Mr. Pancholi's expertise was and is keenly looked forward to. Hopefuly

> he will exhibit it some day.

>

> Ms Padhye kept on harping on NON LK issues. The forum owner Punit ji

> had time and again expresed his desire that only LK related matters be

> dwelt upon on this forum. This is a matter of record , go look up the

> archives. If the seniors dont set the direction, who will?

>

> Priya Bhooshan - She is quite knowledgeable in astrology and seems

> pretty well versed in LK as well, even though she doesnt admit it. It

> is a pity she instead of putting her knowledge to good use is more

> interested in being a nag. In anycase thats her choice.

>

> R S

>

> lalkitab , " Nandkishore rai rawal "

> <natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

> >

> > This forum has become place of mental orgy for few so called experts

> who dont want any other person to be recognised by other members of

> the forum.Take case of Vsumati,Bhnupriya Or Pancholi whosoever tried

> to give some suggestion these so called experts and senior members

> attacked them like any thing crossing all the limits of descency and

> social aticates.

> >

> > Nandu

> >

> > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 Anand,Mukesh wrote :

> > >request to ALL,

> > > please stop discussing the past and

> discuss

> > >future . i am tired too see all chain of mail on seminar and

> course .

> > >Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems . lets start soving

> them

> > >plz.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Mukesh Anand

> > >

> > >________________________________

> > >

> > > m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in]

> > >Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM

> > >lalkitab

> > >Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

> > >

> > >Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other respected and

> > >honourable Group Members,

> > >I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate from

> > >IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property

> > >Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in vedic/

> > >lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that as per

> > >Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in astrology.

> > >I joined this group, I suppose as others have joined,

> > >as a hobby got developed from within about astrology

> > >and to go into its deeper and deeper to get Godly

> > >knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other

> > >Members, seeing such unwanted painful developments

> > >taking place among our seniors. I sincerely suggest to

> > >close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar' and

> > >'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up

> > >misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the 'bad' past

> > >and start moving in +ve direction again.

> > >I hope members will take my suggestion in right spirit

> > >and put full stop here itself on the contraversies.

> > >Thanking you,

> > >M.R. GUPTA

> > >--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear all members,

> > > > First of all i thank all those who have tried to

> > > > understand my

> > > > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those

> > > > who attended the

> > > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do

> > > > some service to

> > > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this

> > > > book and it was a

> > > > small effort to repay something.

> > > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in

> > > > particular that they

> > > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service.

> > > > Punit ji i must

> > > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the

> > > > chief guest for the

> > > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late

> > > > because we

> > > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to

> > > > contact on your

> > > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was

> > > > switched off. But one

> > > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to

> > > > attend the seminar to

> > > > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say

> > > > much as the

> > > > members who attended have clearly listed them and

> > > > also the fact that

> > > > the material distributed had Lalkitab

> > > > inscribed on it and

> > > > the certificates were also from your side.

> > > > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments

> > > > at the group

> > > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave

> > > > astrology even if one

> > > > of the allegations levelled against me is

> > > > substainted in any way.

> > > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the

> > > > group, I only

> > > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning

> > > > astrology is not

> > > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

> > > > prabhakar tried to

> > > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants.

> > > > As you say that

> > > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years

> > > > labour, the same

> > > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the

> > > > guidelines from me ,

> > > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast.

> > > > We were only

> > > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who

> > > > desire to learn.

> > > > I again challenge anyone to prove any material

> > > > motive behind the

> > > > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > > > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still

> > > > can't understand

> > > > what you mean things being done at your back to

> > > > benefit a few. How do

> > > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind

> > > > information I too

> > > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly

> > > > check the previous

> > > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This

> > > > group is not your

> > > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

> > > > Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in

> > > > making this group a

> > > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do

> > > > you think that by

> > > > just opening the group you have the final word. May

> > > > I ask does your

> > > > contribution match with any of the above listed.

> > > > Regarding opening

> > > > the group I think it's free and their are many

> > > > groups opened

> > > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the

> > > > members who work and

> > > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what

> > > > expertise you have

> > > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you

> > > > have analysed, did

> > > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for

> > > > yourself how many

> > > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You

> > > > have levelled

> > > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask

> > > > the members who

> > > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply

> > > > in the forum, .

> > > > I think you felt insecure about your mission which

> > > > you only know and

> > > > is hidden to us.

> > > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the

> > > > process of editing and

> > > > making one or two out of them by deleting

> > > > unneccessary material. We

> > > > are not even charging any member for it.

> > > > Incidentally it was you who

> > > > told me not to load these files.

> > > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn

> > > > aap un par

> > > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki

> > > > promotion ke liye

> > > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam

> > > > se hi chal raha

> > > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es

> > > > baat ke liye

> > > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon

> > > > aur agar muze lal-

> > > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah

> > > > dekhun jahan koi

> > > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar

> > > > skeyn. Kuch members

> > > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah

> > > > ka symtum puch

> > > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo

> > > > faydemand hota

> > > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki

> > > > main jab makan

> > > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

> > > > sambandhit hey? main kisi

> > > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik

> > > > rahega?

> > > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko

> > > > kyon nahin bulaya

> > > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo

> > > > unhey di gai thi

> > > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main

> > > > batata hoon ki yeh

> > > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf

> > > > ekka-dukka merey

> > > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12

> > > > saal se es field

> > > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

> > > > jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

> > > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha

> > > > dun.

> > > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko

> > > > pura jaaney bina

> > > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na

> > > > lagayen to acha

> > > > hoga.

> > > > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua

> > > > veh sab hamney

> > > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo

> > > > ki ek computer

> > > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey

> > > > hain to turant

> > > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check

> > > > previous massage)

> > > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf

> > > > seminar ki

> > > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna

> > > > jaruri nahin

> > > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load

> > > > hey. Kya aapney usey

> > > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi

> > > > to likhtey.

> > > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to

> > > > punit ji humney kisi

> > > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja

> > > > sirf fourm main

> > > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya

> > > > agenda hona

> > > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo

> > > > humney board par

> > > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke

> > > > baad) dala tha( See

> > > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to

> > > > hum jo ki

> > > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey

> > > > chalaya. To kon kon

> > > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se

> > > > aapko koi narajgi

> > > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es

> > > > galatfahmi ko door

> > > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi

> > > > fayda udhaya hey

> > > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko

> > > > apani puri takat se

> > > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah

> > > > jaan leyn ki main ek

> > > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se

> > > > nikalaney valey

> > > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf

> > > > Lal-kitanb ke

> > > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke

> > > > liye utsahit kiya.

> > > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> > > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com

> > > > bhi heyn jinmey

> > > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main

> > > > apna horoscope

> > > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

> > > > samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> > > > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke

> > > > baarey main nahin

> > > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main

> > > > jaan saktey hain.

> > > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye

> > > > yeh " Way of Life "

> > > > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi

> > > > galatfahmi rah

> > > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi

> > > > bhi bhar na rakheyn.

> > > >

> > > > sincerely

> > > >

> > > > mudit982001

> > > >

> > >

> > >_______________________________

> > >

> > >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!

> > >http://vote.

> > >

October 15, 2004

Dear Respectable & Honourable Members,

1] Firstly, I request all members to respect each

other even if somebody commits mistake. One gets

respect if he/she gives respect. Please maintain

decorum and prestige of the great group. Please do not

allow your SUN (surya/ravi) to act in this forum (If I

am wrong, please somebody may correct it). Please

restrain from passing derogatory remarks on others for

any reason. Here all members are respectable and

honourable. As far as spellings are concerned in true

sense, then in internet comunication language, short

forms are being used, sense is important and not its

spellings.

2] Secondly, as far as 'seminar' is concerned, if

somebody works then mistakes do take place. Mistakes

indicate that the person is working and not passive.

So forget mistakes, learn from history/past, improve

next event whenever it takes place. I propose that we

shall celebrate Anniversary every year in the form of

seminar/workshop and a sub-committee be formed 3

months or 1 year in advance for each year to manage

the entire event. I propose to have a picnic once in a

year. I feel personally that in this way, we may be

able to bring more cohesiveness among members.

3] Thirdly, as far as training is concerned - Guru bi

gyan kahan - then first we should learn respecting

Guru. Even if 'Guru' is not gentle - i.e. may be harsh

/ abusive - Shishya has to respect him like army

orders. We should remember that Eklavya had given his

thumb to his Guru on demand as Gurudakshina, Lakshaman

& Ram had to stand on foot side of Ravana to take

Gyan, then in this forum if Guru didnot interact

properly with novice, then such things can always be

ignored and not taken note of, Shishya should be

concerned with Gyan only and not with its attachments.

Shishya has to learn that he should pick up good

things and knowledge from Gurus and drop bad things.

Here all seniors are Gurus and all juniors are

Shishya. So all juniors of this group are learning by

e-mail interaction method from Gurus.

4] Lastly, we should forget bad past and try to see

the golden future.

Regards to all Members,

M.R. GUPTA

--- Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> Rakesh ji/ Nandkishore ji,

>

> Please stop fighting on petty matters. Let us think

> in a positive direction.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:25:25 -0000, rakeshsahgal

> <rakeshsahgal wrote:

> >

> > " Etiquette " thats how it is spelled. Go to

> > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette

> and look up the

> > meaning. Uske baad istemaal karna. Jitni samajh ho

> utni baat karaa

> > karo. Zyaada bhaari bharkam lafaz bolne se gyaani

> nahi dikhoge, ulte

> > bewaqoof lagoge.

> >

> > Few so called experts? Without them this forum is

> ZILCH.

> >

> > You seem to be an expert in orgies. Freud ki

> aulaad ho kyaa? Naam

> > sunaa hai Sigmund Freud kaa?

> >

> > Mr. Pancholi's expertise was and is keenly looked

> forward to. Hopefuly

> > he will exhibit it some day.

> >

> > Ms Padhye kept on harping on NON LK issues. The

> forum owner Punit ji

> > had time and again expresed his desire that only

> LK related matters be

> > dwelt upon on this forum. This is a matter of

> record , go look up the

> > archives. If the seniors dont set the direction,

> who will?

> >

> > Priya Bhooshan - She is quite knowledgeable in

> astrology and seems

> > pretty well versed in LK as well, even though she

> doesnt admit it. It

> > is a pity she instead of putting her knowledge to

> good use is more

> > interested in being a nag. In anycase thats her

> choice.

> >

> > R S

> >

> > lalkitab , " Nandkishore rai

> rawal "

> > <natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:

> > >

> > > This forum has become place of mental orgy for

> few so called experts

> > who dont want any other person to be recognised by

> other members of

> > the forum.Take case of Vsumati,Bhnupriya Or

> Pancholi whosoever tried

> > to give some suggestion these so called experts

> and senior members

> > attacked them like any thing crossing all the

> limits of descency and

> > social aticates.

> > >

> > > Nandu

> > >

> > > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 Anand,Mukesh wrote :

> > > >request to ALL,

> > > > please stop

> discussing the past and

> > discuss

> > > >future . i am tired too see all chain of mail

> on seminar and

> > course .

> > > >Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems .

> lets start soving

> > them

> > > >plz.

> > > >

> > > >Regards

> > > >Mukesh Anand

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > >

> > > > m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in]

> > > >Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM

> > > >lalkitab

> > > >Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED

> 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta

> > > >

> > > >Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other

> respected and

> > > >honourable Group Members,

> > > >I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate

> from

> > > >IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property

> > > >Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in

> vedic/

> > > >lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that

> as per

> > > >Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in

> astrology.

> > > >I joined this group, I suppose as others have

> joined,

> > > >as a hobby got developed from within about

> astrology

> > > >and to go into its deeper and deeper to get

> Godly

> > > >knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other

> > > >Members, seeing such unwanted painful

> developments

> > > >taking place among our seniors. I sincerely

> suggest to

> > > >close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar'

> and

> > > >'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up

> > > >misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the

> 'bad' past

> > > >and start moving in +ve direction again.

> > > >I hope members will take my suggestion in right

> spirit

> > > >and put full stop here itself on the

> contraversies.

> > > >Thanking you,

> > > >M.R. GUPTA

> > > >--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all members,

> > > > > First of all i thank all those who have

> tried to

> > > > > understand my

> > > > > intentions behind organising the seminar.

> All those

> > > > > who attended the

> > > > > seminar are witness that the only purpose

> was to do

> > > > > some service to

> > > > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through

> this

> > > > > book and it was a

> > > > > small effort to repay something.

> > > > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit

> in

> > > > > particular that they

> > > > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble

> service.

> > > > > Punit ji i must

> > > > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made

> the

> > > > > chief guest for the

> > > > > occasion and the seminar started three hours

> late

> > > > > because we

> > > > > continued to wait for you. I personally

> tried to

> > > > > contact on your

> > > > > mobile number so many times but your mobile

> was

> > > > > switched off. But one

> > > > > day earlier you had given your confirmation

> to

> > > > > attend the seminar to

> > > > > me on phone. About the seminar events i

> needn't say

> > > > > much as the

> > > > > members who attended have clearly listed

> them and

> > > > > also the fact that

> > > > > the material distributed had Lalkitab

> group

> > > > > inscribed on it and

> > > > > the certificates were also from your side.

> > > > > But i am terribly pained at the recent

> developments

> > > > > at the group

> > > > > questioning my very motives. I promise to

> leave

> > > > > astrology even if one

> > > > > of the allegations levelled against me is

> > > > > substainted in any way.

> > > > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came

> from the

> > > > > group, I only

> > > > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that

> learning

> > > > > astrology is not

> > > > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

> > > > > prabhakar tried to

> > > > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the

> aspirants.

> > > > > As you say that

> > > > > you have problems inspite of putting in two

> years

> > > > > labour, the same

> > > > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the

> > > > > guidelines from me ,

> > > > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking

> up fast.

> > > > > We were only

> > > > > trying to repeat this experiment with all

> those who

> > > > > desire to learn.

> > > > > I again challenge anyone to prove any

> material

> > > > > motive behind the

> > > > > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > > > > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i

> still

> > > > > can't understand

> > > > > what you mean things being done at your back

> to

> > > > > benefit a few. How do

> > > > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For

> your kind

> > > > > information I too

> > > > > have contributed in grooming this group.

> Kindly

> > > > > check the previous

> > > > > messages and you will get the clear picture.

> This

> > > > > group is not your

> > > > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

> > > > > Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > > > > Khattar and many others have contributed a

> lot in

> > > > > making this group a

> > > > > success. There is no pointing finger from

> them. Do

> > > > > you think that by

> > > > > just opening the group you have the final

> word. May

> > > > > I ask does your

> > > > > contribution match with any of the above

> listed.

> > > > > Regarding opening

> > > > > the group I think it's free and their are

> many

> > > > > groups opened

> > > > > everyday. What makes a group a success is

> the

> > > > > members who work and

> > > > > the group belongs to them also. May i know

> what

> > > > > expertise you have

> > > > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes

> you

> > > > > have analysed, did

> > > > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas?

> See for

> > > > > yourself how many

> > > > > members ask you for analysis of thier

> kundalis. You

> > > > > have levelled

> > > > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled

> comments. Ask

> > > > > the members who

> > > > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to

> apply

> > > > > in the forum, .

> > > > > I think you felt insecure about your mission

> which

> > > > > you only know and

> > > > > is hidden to us.

> > > > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in

> the

> > > > > process of editing and

> > > > > making one or two out of them by deleting

> > > > > unneccessary material. We

> > > > > are not even charging any member for it.

> > > > > Incidentally it was you who

> > > > > told me not to load these files.

> > > > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam

> kareyn

> > > > > aap un par

> > > > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab

> ki

> > > > > promotion ke liye

> > > > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab

> ke naam

> > > > > se hi chal raha

> > > > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne

> muze es

> > > > > baat ke liye

> > > > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam

> dekhoon

> > > > > aur agar muze lal-

> > > > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi

> jagah

> > > > > dekhun jahan koi

> > > > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak

> na kar

> > > > > skeyn. Kuch members

> > > > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main

> kis grah

> > > > > ka symtum puch

> > > > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye

> vo

> > > > > faydemand hota

> > > > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi

> jaantey ki

> > > > > main jab makan

> > > > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

> > > > > sambandhit hey? main kisi

> > > > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya

> ye thik

> > > > > rahega?

> > > > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur

> experts ko

> > > > > kyon nahin bulaya

> > > > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad

> dekheyn jo

> > > > > unhey di gai thi

> > > > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to

> main

> > > > > batata hoon ki yeh

> > > > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi

> tha sirf

> > > > > ekka-dukka merey

> > > > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main

> pichley 10-12

> > > > > saal se es field

> > > > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

> > > > > jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

> > > > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey

> dikha

> > > > > dun.

> > > > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi

> baat ko

> > > > > pura jaaney bina

> > > > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi

> ilzaam na

> > > > > lagayen to acha

> > > > > hoga.

> > > > > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar

> main hua

> > > > > veh sab hamney

> > > > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene

> Jyotish-mail jo

> > > > > ki ek computer

> > > > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load

> kartey

> > > > > hain to turant

> > > > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na

> kareyn(check

> > > > > previous massage)

> > > > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper

> main sirf

> > > > > seminar ki

> > > > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load

> karna

> > > > > jaruri nahin

> > > > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo

> load

> > > > > hey. Kya aapney usey

> > > > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey

> main bhi

> > > > > to likhtey.

> > > > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin

> bataya to

> > > > > punit ji humney kisi

> > > > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin

> bheja

> > > > > sirf fourm main

> > > > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi

> thi kya

> > > > > agenda hona

> > > > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda

> bana vo

> > > > > humney board par

> > > > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney

> ke

> > > > > baad) dala tha( See

> > > > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi

> nahin to

> > > > > hum jo ki

> > > > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla

> sakey

> > > > > chalaya. To kon kon

> > > > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat

> se

> > > > > aapko koi narajgi

> > > > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > > > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni

> es

> > > > > galatfahmi ko door

> > > > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka

> koi

> > > > > fayda udhaya hey

> > > > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members

> ko

> > > > > apani puri takat se

> > > > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi

> tarah

> > > > > jaan leyn ki main ek

> > > > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda

> delhi se

> > > > > nikalaney valey

> > > > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye

> to sirf

> > > > > Lal-kitanb ke

> > > > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab

> karney ke

> > > > > liye utsahit kiya.

> > > > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3

> websites

> > > > > astrologypoint.com,

> umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com

> > > > > bhi heyn jinmey

> > > > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye

> free main

> > > > > apna horoscope

> > > > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

> > > > > samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> > > > > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway

> hain ke

> > > > > baarey main nahin

> > > > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey

> main

> > > > > jaan saktey hain.

> > > > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo

> ke liye

> > > > > yeh " Way of Life "

> > > > > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > > > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi

> aapko koi

> > > > > galatfahmi rah

> > > > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man

> main koi

> > > > > bhi bhar na rakheyn.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely

> > > > >

> > > > > mudit982001

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >_______________________________

> > > >

> > > >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote

> today!

> > > >http://vote.

> > > >

October 15, 2004

Dear Rakesh Ji

if some body mention my name it doesn't mean that I m agrre 2 what he/she is arguieng with u.Pls.dont qoute me I never claimed 2 b an expert and I dont have time 2 answer queries or sort out problems of othr people.Since last 2 months I was unable 2 devote time for Mr.Pokarana's problem which he is reminding me evry week.I am almost 20 days out of my town and so I dont have even time 2 chek my email.With apologies from Umesh JI whom I promised 2 meet on my last visit 2 Delhi but failed 2 keep my promise.It is my humble request 2 all group members to avoid blaming and using abusive language against each other.We r learned people and no one expected 2 behave like this.

Thanx & regards.

Ravindra PancholiPunit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Rakesh ji/ Nandkishore ji,Please stop fighting on petty matters. Let us think in a positive direction. Regards,Punit PandeyOn Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:25:25 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote:> > > "Etiquette" thats how it is spelled. Go to> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette and look up the> meaning. Uske baad istemaal karna. Jitni samajh ho utni baat karaa> karo. Zyaada bhaari bharkam lafaz bolne se gyaani nahi dikhoge, ulte> bewaqoof lagoge.> > Few so called experts? Without them this forum is ZILCH.> > You seem to be an expert in orgies. Freud ki aulaad ho kyaa? Naam> sunaa hai Sigmund Freud kaa?> > Mr. Pancholi's expertise was and is keenly looked

forward to. Hopefuly> he will exhibit it some day.> > Ms Padhye kept on harping on NON LK issues. The forum owner Punit ji> had time and again expresed his desire that only LK related matters be> dwelt upon on this forum. This is a matter of record , go look up the> archives. If the seniors dont set the direction, who will?> > Priya Bhooshan - She is quite knowledgeable in astrology and seems> pretty well versed in LK as well, even though she doesnt admit it. It> is a pity she instead of putting her knowledge to good use is more> interested in being a nag. In anycase thats her choice.> > R S> > lalkitab , "Nandkishore rai rawal"> <natkhatnandu@r...> wrote:> >> >> > This forum has become place of mental orgy for few so called experts> who dont want any other person to be recognised by other members of>

the forum.Take case of Vsumati,Bhnupriya Or Pancholi whosoever tried> to give some suggestion these so called experts and senior members> attacked them like any thing crossing all the limits of descency and> social aticates.> >> > Nandu> >> > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 Anand,Mukesh wrote :> > >request to ALL,> > > please stop discussing the past and> discuss> > >future . i am tired too see all chain of mail on seminar and> course .> > >Main aim of forum is to duscuss on problems . lets start soving> them> > >plz.> > >> > >Regards> > >Mukesh Anand> > >> > >> > >> >

>________________________________> > >> > > m.r. gupta [mrgupta_in]> > >Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM> > >lalkitab > > >Re: [lalkitab] RE: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 : M.R.Gupta> > >> > >> > >Dear Shri Muditji, Punitji & all other respected and> > >honourable Group Members,> > >I am a 52 years old, Civil engineering graduate from> > >IIT Powai, Mumbai, and Consultant in Property> > >Valuation - say, Valuer. I am totally novice in vedic/> > >lakitab astrology and I do not shy telling that as per> > >Shri Muditji's idiom, I am a 'bander' in astrology.> > >I joined this group, I suppose as others have joined,> > >as a hobby got developed from within about astrology> > >and to go into its deeper and deeper to

get Godly> > >knowledge. It pained me and I suppose all other> > >Members, seeing such unwanted painful developments> > >taking place among our seniors. I sincerely suggest to> > >close everthing about the chapters of 'seminar' and> > >'training' which are unnecessarily cropping up> > >misunderstandings. I suggest to forget the 'bad' past> > >and start moving in +ve direction again.> > >I hope members will take my suggestion in right spirit> > >and put full stop here itself on the contraversies.> > >Thanking you,> > >M.R. GUPTA> > >--- Mudit982001 <mudit982001> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Dear all members,> > > > First of all i thank all those who have tried to> > > > understand my> > > > intentions behind organising the seminar.

All those> > > > who attended the> > > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do> > > > some service to> > > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this> > > > book and it was a> > > > small effort to repay something.> > > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in> > > > particular that they> > > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service.> > > > Punit ji i must> > > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the> > > > chief guest for the> > > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late> > > > because we> > > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to> > > > contact on your> > > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was> > > > switched

off. But one> > > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to> > > > attend the seminar to> > > > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say> > > > much as the> > > > members who attended have clearly listed them and> > > > also the fact that> > > > the material distributed had Lalkitab > > > > inscribed on it and> > > > the certificates were also from your side.> > > > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments> > > > at the group> > > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave> > > > astrology even if one> > > > of the allegations levelled against me is> > > > substainted in any way.> > > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the> > > > group, I only>

> > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning> > > > astrology is not> > > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and> > > > prabhakar tried to> > > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants.> > > > As you say that> > > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years> > > > labour, the same> > > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the> > > > guidelines from me ,> > > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast.> > > > We were only> > > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who> > > > desire to learn.> > > > I again challenge anyone to prove any material> > > > motive behind the> > > > seminar event or this teaching course.> > > > But Punit I didn't

expect that from you. i still> > > > can't understand> > > > what you mean things being done at your back to> > > > benefit a few. How do> > > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind> > > > information I too> > > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly> > > > check the previous> > > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This> > > > group is not your> > > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,> > > > Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,> > > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in> > > > making this group a> > > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do> > > > you think that by> > > > just opening the group you have the final word. May> > > > I ask does your> >

> > contribution match with any of the above listed.> > > > Regarding opening> > > > the group I think it's free and their are many> > > > groups opened> > > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the> > > > members who work and> > > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what> > > > expertise you have> > > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you> > > > have analysed, did> > > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for> > > > yourself how many> > > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You> > > > have levelled> > > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask> > > > the members who> > > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply> > > > in the forum,

..> > > > I think you felt insecure about your mission which> > > > you only know and> > > > is hidden to us.> > > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the> > > > process of editing and> > > > making one or two out of them by deleting> > > > unneccessary material. We> > > > are not even charging any member for it.> > > > Incidentally it was you who> > > > told me not to load these files.> > > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn> > > > aap un par> > > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki> > > > promotion ke liye> > > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam> > > > se hi chal raha> > > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es> > > > baat

ke liye> > > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon> > > > aur agar muze lal-> > > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah> > > > dekhun jahan koi> > > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar> > > > skeyn. Kuch members> > > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah> > > > ka symtum puch> > > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo> > > > faydemand hota> > > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki> > > > main jab makan> > > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se> > > > sambandhit hey? main kisi> > > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik> > > > rahega?> > > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko> >

> > kyon nahin bulaya> > > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo> > > > unhey di gai thi> > > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main> > > > batata hoon ki yeh> > > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf> > > > ekka-dukka merey> > > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12> > > > saal se es field> > > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300> > > > jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-> > > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha> > > > dun.> > > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko> > > > pura jaaney bina> > > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na> > > > lagayen to acha> > > > hoga.> > > > Jahan tak

aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua> > > > veh sab hamney> > > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo> > > > ki ek computer> > > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey> > > > hain to turant> > > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check> > > > previous massage)> > > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf> > > > seminar ki> > > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna> > > > jaruri nahin> > > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load> > > > hey. Kya aapney usey> > > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi> > > > to likhtey.> > > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to> > > > punit ji humney kisi> >

> > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja> > > > sirf fourm main> > > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya> > > > agenda hona> > > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo> > > > humney board par> > > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke> > > > baad) dala tha( See> > > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to> > > > hum jo ki> > > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey> > > > chalaya. To kon kon> > > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se> > > > aapko koi narajgi> > > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> > > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es> > > > galatfahmi ko door> > > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki

goodwill ka koi> > > > fayda udhaya hey> > > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko> > > > apani puri takat se> > > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah> > > > jaan leyn ki main ek> > > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se> > > > nikalaney valey> > > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf> > > > Lal-kitanb ke> > > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke> > > > liye utsahit kiya.> > > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites> > > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com> > > > bhi heyn jinmey> > > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main> > > > apna horoscope> > > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya

aap> > > > samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> > > > pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke> > > > baarey main nahin> > > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main> > > > jaan saktey hain.> > > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye> > > > yeh "Way of Life"> > > > hey par merey liye to "life" hey.> > > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi> > > > galatfahmi rah> > > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi> > > > bhi bhar na rakheyn.> > > >> > > > sincerely> > > >> > > > mudit982001> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >>

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