Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Dear all members, First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a small effort to repay something. I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and the certificates were also from your side. But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way. Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn. I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the seminar event or this teaching course. But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, . I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and is hidden to us. I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who told me not to load these files. vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal- kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega? Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal- kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun. Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha hoga. Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi jahir karney ka haq nahi banta. Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay- pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain. Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of Life " hey par merey liye to " life " hey. Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn. sincerely mudit982001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Dear Mudit jee , You have said : " Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey mehmaano ko chod kar. " I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters : '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' The seal in the center says : All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only} I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have been better if you had called it a get together of members in and around Delhi. ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya kah sakti hun. sincerely, priya lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001> wrote: > > Dear all members, > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a > small effort to repay something. > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and > the certificates were also from your side. > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way. > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn. > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course. > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, . > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files. > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal- > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega? > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal- > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun. > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha > hoga. > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta. > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay- > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain. > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of Life " > hey par merey liye to " life " hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn. > sincerely > mudit982001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Umesh ji, I didn't want to add more mails to this thread but somehow your mail tempted me to reply especially as you have used my name directly. I also know that people here are fed up with such things and starting from this mail, I'll try to avoid answering less important mails on this issue. I know that you are older to me in age and that respect I'll definitely show towards you. It is not the first time in the forum that someone have been criticized and it is good to tell what you think right and what you think wrong. For example I remember one very interesting scenario where Kulbir ji criticized me saying that I don't know anything about Lal Kitab and I was more than happy to accept this fact. Even this time, if I'll be found on mistake, I'll be more than happy to accept it and the benefit will be I'll be knowing that mistake after the debate. The objective is just to answer your queries and allegations and make my points clearer. My objective this time is not to prove anything right or wrong but to convey what I think wrong and right with the reason. I believe it will be a friendly discussion. I am replying below the points raised by you in BLOCK letters. ---------------- Dear all members, First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a small effort to repay something. I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and the certificates were also from your side. UMESH JI YOU AND I BOTH ARE HEAVY USERS OF INTERNET. AFTER TRYING TO CONTACT SO MANY TIMES, YOU WOULD HAVE DROPPED A MAIL TO ME. I TRIED TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY ONLINE CONFERENCE YOU WILL BE HAVING AND PEOPLE HERE CAN TELL IF I AM WRONG. I'LL TELL YOU FEW THINGS THAT I FOUND NOT CORRECTLY IMPLEMENTED - 1. THE SECOND LAST DAY OF THE SEMINAR, I CAME TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED " ALL INDIA LAL KITAB FORUM " WITH SECRETARY AND PRESIDENT ETC ALL NOMINATED. DON'T YOU THINK THAT I HAVE RIGHT TO OBJECT? DON'T YOU THINK THAT MY CONSENT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN THIS MATTER? IT SEEMS QUITE FUNNY TO ME THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED EVERYTHING ABOUT LAL KITAB FORUM WITHOUT EVEN A NEED TO TELL ME. 2. YOU ARE PUTTING MY NAME ON FEW STATIONERIES; DON'T YOU THINK THAT I SHOULD BE INFORMED BEFORE DOING THIS? 3. YOU ARE PRINTING STATIONARY, CERTIFICATES ETC., DON'T YOU THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO SEE IT AND GIVEN MY OPINION? 4. THERE ARE MANY BUT HOW MANY SHOULD I TELL HERE. THE DAY BEFORE I TALKED TO PRABHAKAR JI AND HE TOLD ME THAT THESE ALL THINGS ARE BEING DONE BY ME. WASN'T IT STRANGE THAT EVEN PRABHAKAR JI WAS NOT KNOWING ABOUT IT? IT MAY NOT BE INTENTIONAL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE SERIOUS FLAWS IN THE PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT. I MAY BE WRONG AND LOOKING FORWARD TO LISTEN THEM. UPCOMING DAYS I AM FREE AND I'LL BE HAVING MORE TIME TO REPLY YOUR MAILS AND CLARIFY THE MATTER FROM MY SIDE. AS I POINTED OUT MANY TIMES THAT THERE WERE MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY THE SEMINAR WAS ORGANIZED. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO OF MY WRITING FIRST POST RELATED TO COURSE. I THOUGHT THAT IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE AN OFFLINE COURSE HAVING THE EXPERIENCE OF SEMINAR AND I THOUGHT I MUST BETTER TELL IT TO THE FORUM. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE DISCUSSION ON SEMINAR CAUGHT ON AND TAKEN SUCH A TURN. But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way. THERE IS NO ALLEGATION FROM MY SIDE. I KNOW IT HAS HURT YOU AND THAT'S WHY YOU ARE WRITING SUCH THINGS. I MYSELF BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE FOREMOST CONTRIBUTOR TO THE GROUP AND I RESPECT YOU IN THIS REGARD. WHAT WE MUST THINK IS, IF THERE ARE SOME MISTAKES/ PROBLEMS THOSE MUST BE RECTIFIED/ CLARIFIED. Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn. I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the seminar event or this teaching course. NOTHING TO PROVE OR DISPROVE HERE. MY POINT HERE IS WE COULD HAVE BETTER UTILIZED TIME AND ENERGY BY FOCUSING ON ONLINE ACTIVITIES. YOUR PERSONAL GUIDANCE TO KULBIR JI IS GOOD THING BUT WE SHOULD TRY TO TAKE IT TO AS MANY MEMBERS OF THE FORUM AS POSSIBLE. But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, . I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and is hidden to us. YOU HAVE RAISED MANY QUESTIONS HERE AND FEW ALLEGATIONS DIRECTLY ON ME. LET ME GIVE ME OPINION ON IT. I GUESS EITHER YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ME OR I AM NOT ABLE TO CLARIFY IT FORM MY SIDE. FIRST OF ALL, I MUST REPEAT HERE ABOUT YOUR CONTRIBUTION OF THE GROUP. YOU ARE ONE OF THE LEADING CONTRIBUTOR FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND HATS OFF FOR THAT. THE GROUP IS NOT MY SOLE PROPERTY THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IN THE GROUP PEOPLE DO HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES AND I HAVE ONE ROLE TO MANAGE THINGS. IF I'LL FIND THAT SOMETHING IS NOT IN SYNC WITH THE OBJECTIVE, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY SO AND DEAL WITH THE A SITUATION? I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TELL THIS POINT TO AN OLD MEMBER LIKE YOU THAT YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB AND I AM DOING MY JOB. YOU ASKED ONE VERY STRANGE QUESTION THAT HOW MANY HOROSCOPES HAVE I JUDGED HERE. I CAN ALSO ASK HERE SAME QUESTION THAT HOW MANY CONTROVERSIES YOU HAVE TRIED TO SOLVE HERE. WHAT YOU DID TO MAKE THIS GROUP APPROACHABLE. DEFINITELY NOTHING MUCH AND THERE IS NOT NEED TO TELL THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR JOB. I, BEING A TECHNICAL PERSON, DID A LOT OF THINGS TO PROMOTE THIS GROUP. SO IT SEEMS A STRANGE QUESTION TO ASK HOW MANY CHARTS I HAD ANALYZED. ANOTHER POINT I NEED NOT TO TELL IS THAT THE CORE OBJECTIVE OF FORUM IS NOT CONSULTANCY BUT LAL KITAB DISCUSSION. PLEASE CHECK THE ARCHIVE AND YOU WILL KNOW THAT I WAS PART OF MOST OF SUCH DISCUSSIONS. PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER VERY WELL HERE. I GUESS LET PEOPLE DECIDE ABOUT WHO HAS HIDDEN INTERESTS, IF ANY. IS THIS THOUGHT THE REASON FOR DELIBERATELY TRYING TO EXCLUDE ME FROM ALL SEMINARS ORGANIZING PROCESS? (I BELIEVE SO DUE TO REASONS POINTED ABOVE) IF YES, WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSED IT MUCH BEFORE AND NOT GOT INTO THIS CONTROVERSY. I NEVER TALKED ABOUT YOUR VESTED INTERESTS. AS POINTED BY OTHER MEMBER, WE ARE MUCH INTO ASTROLOGY WITH DIFFERENT ASTROLOGICAL PRODUCTS BUT TELL ME ONE SCENARIO WHERE I TRIED TO PROMOTE MY PRODUCTS? I GUESS, IT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MY HIDDEN INTERESTS. I NEVER HAD FINAL WORDS. PLEASE TELL ME ONE SCENARIO WHERE I DIDN'T ASK FOR OPINION OF ALL MEMBERS AND SAID SOMETHING AS FINAL WORDS? WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERY SUGGESTION OF EVENT SHOULD BE - 1. BENEFICIAL FOR GROUP AS A WHOLE 2. COLLABORATIVELY ORGANIZED WITH OPEN FLOW OF INFORMATION. I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who told me not to load these files. I DIDN'T STOP YOU RATHER IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. AS FAR AS I KNOW THE TOTAL ALLOWED FILE SIZE IN IS 20 MB PER GROUP AND 4CD MEANS 2400 MB THAT WAS NOT TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE TO UPLOAD. vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal- kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. UMESH JI, MEIN AAPKO PERSNOALLY NAHIN JANTA, MEIN AAPKE IRADON KO, APKE UDDESHYON KO NAHIN JANTA. YAH EK ONLINE FORUM HAI JAHAN INFORMATION FLOW BAHUT HI MAHATVAPURNA HAI. MAIN APKE INTENTION EK BARE MAIN KUCH NAHIN KAHTA LEKIN AGAR SUCHNA KA PRAVAHA SAHI TARAHA SE NAHI HOGA TO SABKO MAUKA MILEGA SANDEHA KA. AAPKO JAWAB DENE KE LIYE TAIYAAR RAHANA CHAIYE KYONKI AAP HI IS SEMINAR KE PICHE SABSE MAHTWAPURNA VYAKTI HAIN. PRABHAKAR JI KO TO LAST DIN TAK BAHUT SARI SOOCHNA NAHIN THI. SHAYAD AUR LOGO KO BHI NAHIN HOGI. TO KIS SE YE PRASHNA KIYE JANE CHAHIYE? Kuch members ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega? PAR AAP IS PAR VICHAR TO KAR HI SAKTE HAIN. IS FORUM KE SABHI MEMBER TO BANDAR NAHIN HO SAKTE? JO AAP YAHAN LIKHTE HAIN WOH KAYI LOGON TAK PAHUNCHTA HAI. KAI LOG ACTIVELY INVOLVE HOTE HAIN TO KUCH LOG NAHIN BHI HOTE HAIN PAR YAHAN LIKHA HUA BAHUT LOG PADHTE HAIN. SABHI LOGON KO BANDAR SAMAJHNA UCHIT NAHIN HOGA. MAIN AAPSE NIVENDAR KARTA HOON KI IS BAAT PAR AAP CHINTAN KAREN. Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal- kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun. Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha hoga. KRIPYA ISE ILZAAM NA SAMJHE. KHASKAR KI MAINE WOHI LIKHA JO MUJHE UCHIT LAGA. SARI MAILS ARCHIVE MAIN HAIN, KRIPYA MUJHE BATAYEN KI MAINE KYA GALAT LIKHA HAI. MAIN APNI TARAF SE SPASHTIKARAN DENE KA PRAYAS KARRONGA. AGAR KUCH GALAT HOGA TO SABKE SAAMNE AAPSE MAAFI BHI MAANGOGA. Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. YAHI TO CHINTA KA VISHAY HAI. JIS TARAH BHATIA JI NE WOH PAPER LOAD KIYA BAKI KE PAPER(S) LOAD KYON NAHIN HUE? VISHESHTAHA JAB KI PAHLE SE PROMISE KIYA GAYA THA. JAB AAP IS FORUM KA PRAYOG KARTE HAIN TO FORUM MEMBERS KO PUCHNE KA BHI ADHIKAAR DENA CHAHIYE. AISA ABHI TAK KYON NAHIN HUA? RAHI BAAT BHITYA JI PAPER TO PADHNE KA, WOH BHATIYA JI NE MUJHE AUR AAPKO SAATH-SAATH BHEJA THA (SHAYAD WOH BHI YAHI SAMAJH RAHE HONGE KI MAIN PURI TARAHA INVOLVE HOON). AAP CHAHEN TO MERA TEST LE SAKTE HAIN :-). AAPKO YAH BHI BATA DOON KI MAINE BHATIYA JI KE PAPER KA JIKRA APNI SHURUATI MAIL MAIN BHI KIYA THA, SHAYAD AAP SE SKIP HO GAYI HOGI (KRIPYA DEKHEN MAIL DATED 13/10/2004 SUBJECT: RE: [LALKITAB] RE: LAL KITAB COURSE; PUNIT) 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi jahir karney ka haq nahi banta. BILKUL SAHI KAHA AAPNE KI MUJHE NARAJGI JAHIR KARNE KA HAQ NAHI BANTA. PAR UNKO FORUM KE FILE SECTION MAIN UPLOAD KARNE KAA KAHNE KA HAQ TO BANTA HAI? VISHESHTAHA JAB HI AAPNE PROMOISE KIYA THA. MERE ABHI TAK SAMAJH MEIN NAHIN AAYA KI AAP AISA KYON NAHIN KARNA CHATE? IS MAIN KYA SAMASYA HAI? Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. PORNATAHA SAHAMAT HOON. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay- pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain. Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of Life " hey par merey liye to " life " hey. SIRF AAPHI INFORMATION KE LIYE BATA DOON, MAIN YAH SAB JAANTA HOON AUR ISKE ALAWA BHI BAHUT KUCH JAANTA HOON. AAKHIRKAR MERA KAAM BHI SOFTWARE AUR WEBSITE KE BARE MAIN PURI INFORMATION RAKHNA HAI. Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn. SPASHTIKARAN KE LIYE SHUKRIYA. MAIN AAPSE DARKHWAST KARTA HOON KI AAP ISE PRAKRIYA-MANTHAN AUR DOSTANA TAUR PAR LENGE. AGAR MERI KISI BAAT SE AAPKO CHOT PAHUNCHI HO TO MAFI CHATA HOON. PAR KYA KAROON, AAPNE SAWAL SIDHA MUJH PAR HI DAAGA THA. I REPEAT THAT YOU WILL TAKE IT IN THE FRIEDLY AND POSITIVE MANNER. I HAVE NOT PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH YOU ARE HOPEFULLY SAME WILL BE WITH YOU. I HAVE RAISED SOME QUESTIONS HERE AND THERE AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL NOT ONLY REPLY BUT ALSO TRY TO UNDERSTAND ME. HOPE IT WILL CLARFIY MY STAND. REGARDS, PUNIT PANDEY On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:39:29 -0000, Mudit982001 <mudit982001 wrote: > > > Dear all members, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 PYARI PRIYA JEE, TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2. PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI. US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO. IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO. LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI. MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. "KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE". MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON. TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI. EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND......... MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA. IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA. APKA HAMDARD.AMARJIT SINGH THIND. bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: Dear Mudit jee ,You have said :"Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulayagaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thiki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yehSeminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka mereymehmaano ko chod kar."I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :'1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' The seal in the center says :All India Lal Kitab Forum New DelhiYes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have been better if you had called it a get together of members in and around Delhi.ab baat "bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki" , is group ke log intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya kah sakti hun.sincerely,priyalalkitab , "Mudit982001" <mudit982001> wrote:> > Dear all members,> First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a > small effort to repay something.> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and > the certificates were also from your side.> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn.> I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course.> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .> I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files.> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal-> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha > hoga.> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh "Way of Life" > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn.> sincerely> mudit982001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Dear Thind saheb, I know you to be an elderly person and that you insisted for an answer , therefore I am answering your letter. Had such a letter been written by some one else I would have ignored it. Replies are in brackets after your statement. Thanking you, sincerely, priya lalkitab , Amarjit Thind <thind_amarjit> wrote: > PYARI PRIYA JEE, > > TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2. { Yes. I stand by what I had said because that is the truth } > > PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? { The universal format to evaluate academic scholarship is the books written , papers published in the journals , papers presented in the conferences ; their citation index , their impact factor etc. I had used the same. Whats wrong in that? > > JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? { I hadn't said any thing about the ability of those present there in the get together that day. All I had poited out was that some other scholars from Delhi and around could have been invited. Why should that hurt any body ? } > > JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI. { I wasn't at all impressed by the teve ki durusti stuff. How else would you like me to react ? Applaud when I didn't find any thing worth applauding for? } > > US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO. > { Sure, I have been studying the book for the last two years , but I have had a Vedic astrology background. Secondly, Pt.Roopchand Joshi is not the final word in astrology. No body is a final word you could swear by , not at least in the field of knowledge . Knowledge grows and new names emerge who add to the knowledge that had existed before.} > IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO. > { Well if I ever need any PR job done for me , I assure you, I'll get a better job done through a professional agency } > > LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI. { I don't have any Guru , nor would I ever need one.I take astrology like any other branch of knowledge. At least I do not believe in the mystique of a guru. The west doesn't have all this mystique and are they worse off in any field of knowledge? } > > > MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. { It doesn't deserve my answer. The same old gender complex. But I donot need any body's 'lihaz'. The woman of today is on her own and has carved a niche for herself irrespective of the traditional attitude against her. } > > > TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. " KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE " . MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON. { Sure, I have listened to you. But what is to be done will be decided by me. I just don't go by what others tell me. I'll follow the logic } > > TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI. { I would respect even some one younger to me , let alone some elder , if I am convinced that he is a scholar in any branch of knowledge. Whether I would be an expert in ten years from now , I wouldn't want to be at the cost of my individuality } > > EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND......... { No. I was the one who had asked him to kindly indicate the planets for which the questions were being asked and the remedies suggested } > > MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA. { No. I can not accept any body as my guru, because I donot believe in that system at all.} > > > > IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA. > > APKA HAMDARD > . > AMARJIT SINGH THIND. > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > > > > Dear Mudit jee , > > You have said : > > " Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. " > > I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters : > '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' > > The seal in the center says : > > All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi > > Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group > Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only} > > I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have > been better if you had called it a get together of > members in and around Delhi. > > > ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log > intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko > yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya > kah sakti hun. > > sincerely, > > priya > lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001> > wrote: > > > > Dear all members, > > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended > the > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service > to > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was > a > > small effort to repay something. > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for > the > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But > one > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar > to > > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact > that > > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it > and > > the certificates were also from your side. > > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if > one > > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way. > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is > not > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say > that > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to > learn. > > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > > seminar event or this teaching course. > > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How > do > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I > too > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not > your > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this > group a > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that > by > > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does > your > > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, > did > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how > many > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, . > > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know > and > > is hidden to us. > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing > and > > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. > We > > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you > who > > told me not to load these files. > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal > raha > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze > lal- > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch > members > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab > makan > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main > kisi > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega? > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin > bulaya > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai > thi > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka > merey > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es > field > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf > lal- > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun. > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney > bina > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to > acha > > hoga. > > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous > massage) > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney > usey > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney > kisi > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board > par > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( > See > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon > kon > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta. > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat > se > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main > ek > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit > kiya. > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn > jinmey > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay- > > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain. > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of > Life " > > hey par merey liye to " life " hey. > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na > rakheyn. > > sincerely > > mudit982001 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Respected Thind Sahib, It was a pleasure to read your letter. How to carry oneself in life … this lesson you gave beautifully. Request: Can you please contribute a little more …? At least in discussions on finer points of Lal Kitab? I already feel blessed by your blessings. bye Sheikh Pervez Hameed Amarjit Thind [thind_amarjit] 16 October 2004 15:49 lalkitab Re: [lalkitab] Re: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 PYARI PRIYA JEE, TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2. PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI. US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO. IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO. LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI. MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. " KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE " . MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON. TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI. EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND......... MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA. IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA. APKA HAMDARD .. AMARJIT SINGH THIND. bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: Dear Mudit jee , You have said : " Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey mehmaano ko chod kar. " I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters : '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' The seal in the center says : All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only} I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have been better if you had called it a get together of members in and around Delhi. ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya kah sakti hun. sincerely, priya lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001> wrote: > > Dear all members, > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a > small effort to repay something. > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab group inscribed on it and > the certificates were also from your side. > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way. > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn. > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course. > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, . > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files. > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal- > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega? > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal- > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun. > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha > hoga. > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta. > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay- > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain. > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of Life " > hey par merey liye to " life " hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn. > sincerely > mudit982001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 PRIYA JEE APKE JAWAB NE APKE MUTALLAK UN BATON KA BHI KHULASA KAR DIYA JO KI MAIN POOCHHNE SE JHIJHAK RAHA THA. SHUKRIYA, AMARJIT SINGH THIND.bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: Dear Thind saheb,I know you to be an elderly person and that you insisted for an answer , therefore I am answering your letter. Had such a letter been written by some one else I would have ignored it. Replies are in brackets after your statement.Thanking you,sincerely,priyalalkitab , Amarjit Thind <thind_amarjit> wrote:> PYARI PRIYA JEE,> > TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.{ Yes. I stand by what I had said because that is the truth }> > PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? { The universal format to evaluate academic scholarship is the books written , papers published in the journals , papers presented in the conferences ; their citation index , their impact factor etc. I had used the same. Whats wrong in that?> > JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? { I hadn't said any thing about the ability of those present there in the get together that day. All I had poited out was that some other scholars from Delhi and around could have been invited. Why should that hurt any body ? }> > JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI.{ I wasn't at all impressed by the teve ki durusti stuff. How else would you like me to react ? Applaud when I didn't find any thing worth applauding for? }> > US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.> { Sure, I have been studying the book for the last two years , but I have had a Vedic astrology background. Secondly, Pt.Roopchand Joshi is not the final word in astrology. No body is a final word you could swear by , not at least in the field of knowledge . Knowledge grows and new names emerge who add to the knowledge that had existed before.}> IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO.> { Well if I ever need any PR job done for me , I assure you, I'll get a better job done through a professional agency }> > LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI.{ I don't have any Guru , nor would I ever need one.I take astrology like any other branch of knowledge. At least I do not believe in the mystique of a guru. The west doesn't have all this mystique and are they worse off in any field of knowledge? }> > > MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. { It doesn't deserve my answer. The same old gender complex. But I donot need any body's 'lihaz'. The woman of today is on her own and has carved a niche for herself irrespective of the traditional attitude against her. }> > > TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. "KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE". MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON.{ Sure, I have listened to you. But what is to be done will be decided by me. I just don't go by what others tell me. I'll follow the logic }> > TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI.{ I would respect even some one younger to me , let alone some elder , if I am convinced that he is a scholar in any branch of knowledge. Whether I would be an expert in ten years from now , I wouldn't want to be at the cost of my individuality }> > EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND......... { No. I was the one who had asked him to kindly indicate the planets for which the questions were being asked and the remedies suggested }> > MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA.{ No. I can not accept any body as my guru, because I donot believe in that system at all.}> > > > IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA.> > APKA HAMDARD> .> AMARJIT SINGH THIND.> > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > > Dear Mudit jee ,> > You have said :> > "Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya> gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey> mehmaano ko chod kar."> > I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :> '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' > > The seal in the center says :> > All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi> > Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group > Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}> > I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have > been better if you had called it a get together of > members in and around Delhi.> > > ab baat "bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki" , is group ke log > intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko > yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya > kah sakti hun.> > sincerely,> > priya> > > > > > > > lalkitab , "Mudit982001" <mudit982001> > wrote:> > > > Dear all members,> > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended > the > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service > to > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was > a > > small effort to repay something.> > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for > the > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But > one > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar > to > > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact > that > > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it > and > > the certificates were also from your side.> > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if > one > > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.> > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is > not > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say > that > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to > learn.> > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > > seminar event or this teaching course.> > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How > do > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I > too > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not > your > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this > group a > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that > by > > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does > your > > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, > did > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how > many > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .> > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know > and > > is hidden to us. > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing > and > > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. > We > > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you > who > > told me not to load these files.> > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal > raha > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze > lal-> > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch > members > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab > makan > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main > kisi > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?> > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin > bulaya > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai > thi > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka > merey > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es > field > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf > lal-> > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.> > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney > bina > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to > acha > > hoga.> > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous > massage) > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney > usey > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney > kisi > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board > par > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( > See > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon > kon > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat > se > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main > ek > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit > kiya. > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn > jinmey > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> > pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.> > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh "Way of > Life" > > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na > rakheyn.> > sincerely> > mudit982001> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 JANAB SHEKH SAHEB APKE AGAR ZINDAGI AUR SEHAT NE SATH DIYA TO MAIN AAP SAB BHAYION KI KHIDMAT MEIN JO ADNA SE TIL-PHOOL MERE PAAS HAIN ZAROOR PESH KAROONGA FAQAT APKA AMARJIT SINGH THIND. Sheikh Pervez Hameed <pervez wrote: Respected Thind Sahib, It was a pleasure to read your letter. How to carry oneself in life … this lesson you gave beautifully. Request: Can you please contribute a little more …? At least in discussions on finer points of Lal Kitab? I already feel blessed by your blessings. bye Sheikh Pervez Hameed Amarjit Thind [thind_amarjit] 16 October 2004 15:49lalkitab Subject: Re: [lalkitab] Re: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004 PYARI PRIYA JEE, TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2. PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI. US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO. IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO. LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI. MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. "KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE". MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON. TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI. EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND......... MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA. IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA. APKA HAMDARD.AMARJIT SINGH THIND. bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: Dear Mudit jee ,You have said :"Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulayagaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thiki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yehSeminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka mereymehmaano ko chod kar."I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :'1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' The seal in the center says :All India Lal Kitab Forum New DelhiYes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have been better if you had called it a get together of members in and around Delhi.ab baat "bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki" , is group ke log intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya kah sakti hun.sincerely,priyalalkitab , "Mudit982001" <mudit982001> wrote:> > Dear all members,> First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a > small effort to repay something.> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and > the certificates were also from your side.> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn.> I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course.> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .> I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files.> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal-> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha > hoga.> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh "Way of Life" > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn.> sincerely> mudit982001 vote. - Register online to vote today! 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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Priya ji of lal-kitab main kya sirf delhi ke hi log hain kya? Aur jab Members Chandigarh, Madras, Rishikesh, Pune, Bhiwani, Ghaziabad, Hissar,Faridabad jaghon se aayen hon to isko kya kaha jayega? Haan ye jaroor hey ki log kam they? Aap ye bataiye ki aap ney vahaan kitney log esey the jo ki jyotishi nahi the aur sirf apni patri dikhaney aaye the? Koi ek udhaharan. ak bat aur ye bandarpaney ki baat nahin hey to aur kya hey ki main file par yeh likhvata " Sirf Members " Kya yeh uchit tha? Sirf " Lal-kitab " etna likhna ki kafi nahi tha samjhney ke liye? 2ra udhaharan :- aapney apni mail main kai expeperts ke naam ginvayen pata nahin unmeyn se kitno ko aap janti bhi hey ya nahin parntoo kabhi aap ek publically proggramme rakheyn jahan aap chaheyn ye vada raha ki kharch bhi main karuga vahan aap enhey bulayen aur ense charcha kareyn swal-jwab karvayen tab aapko apni aur unmey se kitno lo lal-kitab ke barey main kitni jaankari hey pata chal jayega. Madam aap key kahey anusaar aap do saal se esey pad rahin heyn aur aapki jaankari ke liye main ueh bta doon ki jin jin experts ke aapney naam ginvaayen hey unhi se metre barey main puch lain ki main kitney saal se es field main hoon aur kya hesiyat rakhtan hoon? 3. aapney mera jawab jo meney punit ko diya hey shayad nahin pada mene usmey kaha hey aap kaheyn to 300 ya jyada lal-kitab ke jyotishiyon ko bulva doon? 4. mere pas puri recarding hey ussey dhekheyn aur batayiga ki mene ek baar bhi apni kitab ke barey main jikra kiya hey? 5. Goyal & co. valey muzey perssonaly jantey hain aur aaj se nahi pichley 20 saal sey aur usney koi stall nahin lagata tha. 6. chunki mostly members ki demand thi ki litreture available karaya jay unki sahuliyat ke liye hi ye sab arrangement kiya gaya tha. Main groupe members ko ye batana chahta hoon ki humney vahan ek register rakha hua tha jismey sab aaney vallon se Entry karayi gayi thi. Jara Ensey pucha jaay ki ye agar vahin majud thi to kya enki entry hey agar hey to kis naam sey? (2)Agar entry nahin ki to kyon? aur yanhi se inki Immandari ka pata chalta het. aapse ek gujarish kartaa hoon ki sirf apni negetive approach ke karan dusron ki Imaandari par bevajah shak karney ki es aadat ko aap chod kar kuch positive sonchey. Taki aap aapna bhi bhala kar sakeyn aur dusrey jo acha kaam kar raheyn vah bhi nirutsahit na hoon. Hona to ye chahiye tha ki aap kuch sujhav rakhti ki aagey aur kis tarah se lal-kitab ko parmote kiya jaaye? kon kon se achey aur sulabh tarikey ho saktey hain? vese to kahawat hey ki " bya ne bandar ko sikh di to bandar ney uska ghonsla hi tod diya " Parntoo main bhi apni aadat se majboor hoon kahey bagair rah nahin sakta. jahan tak aapki knowledge ka swal hey to chaliye main vaidic par hi aapsey baat kartaa hoon aur aapsey prarthana kartaa hoon ki aap mere doubts ko clear karengi. 1.Mahadasha system " KETU " se kyon shuru kiya jata hey? 2. VENUS ko mahadasha main 20 varsh kyon diye gayen hain? 3. 10th house ko profession ka karak kyon mana hey? 4. Chaitra sudi Navami ko Ram Navami manai jaati hey aur chaira maas main Surya Meen main hota hey to Parbhu RamCjandra ki ptri main Surya " MESH " mainKyon Hey? Sirf dusron par ungli mat uthaeye Kuch apney gyan ko bhi darshayiye? Shesh aapkey jwab ke aaney ke bad mudit982001 lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > > > > Dear Mudit jee , > > You have said : > > " Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. " > > I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters : > '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' > > The seal in the center says : > > All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi > > Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group > Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only} > > I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have > been better if you had called it a get together of > members in and around Delhi. > > > ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log > intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko > yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya > kah sakti hun. > > sincerely, > > priya > lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001> > wrote: > > > > Dear all members, > > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended > the > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service > to > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was > a > > small effort to repay something. > > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for > the > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But > one > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar > to > > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact > that > > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it > and > > the certificates were also from your side. > > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if > one > > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way. > > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is > not > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say > that > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to > learn. > > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > > seminar event or this teaching course. > > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How > do > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I > too > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not > your > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this > group a > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that > by > > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does > your > > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, > did > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how > many > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, . > > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know > and > > is hidden to us. > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing > and > > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. > We > > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you > who > > told me not to load these files. > > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal > raha > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze > lal- > > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch > members > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab > makan > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main > kisi > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega? > > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin > bulaya > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai > thi > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka > merey > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es > field > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf > lal- > > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun. > > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney > bina > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to > acha > > hoga. > > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous > massage) > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney > usey > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney > kisi > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board > par > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( > See > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon > kon > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta. > > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat > se > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main > ek > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit > kiya. > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn > jinmey > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay- > > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain. > > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of > Life " > > hey par merey liye to " life " hey. > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na > rakheyn. > > sincerely > > mudit982001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 thind sahib tees mar khan ka kissa suna to zaroor tha par aap ko dekha pahli baar hai. priya to acknowledge karti hai ki sikh rahi hai.priya ne group ke liye contribute kiya hai aur jo member group mein activily participate karte hain unka haq hai tokne ka. priya se jhagda hamari bahen jaise hai. par hazoor aap lordsahib kyon ban rahe ho. na koi kundali dekhi na kissi pehlu par charcha ki kha m kha DON ban baithe, baat capital alphabet mein likhne se kya aap lalkitabee ho gaye. aaiye kissi bhi pahlu par baat shuru to kariye hum bhi to dekhein ki kitne paani mein ho. muaf karein sahib hum aazmaiye bagair aapko ustaad nahin mante. AUR SHEIKH PARVEZ SAHIB KYA AAP BATEINGE KI IN SAHIB MEIN AAPNE ASIA KYA DEKHA. AGAR AAP ANTARYAMI HAIN TO BAAT ALAG HAIN NAHIN TO ABHI TAK SAHIB NE KYA DEKHA KI IS TARAH KAYAL HO GAYE. kulbir > Amarjit Thind [thind_amarjit] > > 16 October 2004 15:49 > lalkitab > Re: [lalkitab] Re: SEMINAR DATED > 19-09.-2004 > > > > > PYARI PRIYA JEE, > > > > > > TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT > UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO > NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA > AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN > NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE > THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT > KUM THE VAGAIRA-2. > > > > > > PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE > ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN > LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA > HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI > HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA > WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI > SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB > NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? > > > > > > JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO > SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO > HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE > HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO > KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA > APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? > > > > > > JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE > DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE > ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI. > > > > > > US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE > SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, > BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP > CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO. > > > > > > IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE > SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD > KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO > KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA > TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR > KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR > LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA > KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO > BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO > MAT MARO. > > LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL > TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. > BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA > KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR > VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI > TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI > AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI > KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE > MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE > SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE > GUREJ KARTI. > > MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR > YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI > KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI > HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD > JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI > AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI > KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA > LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE > VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI > HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ > KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. > > TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI > KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE > MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR > SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE > MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE > VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. " KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT > JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE " . MAIN UNKO > SHABASHI DETA HOON. > > > > > > TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI > APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT > KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR > EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH > HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM > AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN > KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI > HOGI. > > > > > > EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN > BANDRON === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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