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Dear all members,

First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my

intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the

seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to

this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a

small effort to repay something.

I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they

lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must

say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the

occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we

continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your

mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one

day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to

me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the

members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that

the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and

the certificates were also from your side.

But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group

questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one

of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.

Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only

responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not

that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to

formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that

you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same

was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me ,

prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only

trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn.

I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the

seminar event or this teaching course.

But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand

what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do

you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too

have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous

messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your

sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a

success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by

just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your

contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening

the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened

everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and

the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have

about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did

thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many

members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled

totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who

tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .

I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and

is hidden to us.

I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and

making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We

are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who

told me not to load these files.

vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par

bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye

galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha

hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye

mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal-

kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi

meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members

ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch

raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota

parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan

ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi

bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?

Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya

gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi

ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh

Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey

mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field

main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.

Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina

aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha

hoga.

Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney

board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer

Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant

aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage)

jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki

parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin

samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey

pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey.

2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi

key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main

request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona

chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par

do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See

privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki

nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon

sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi

jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door

kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey

bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se

fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek

Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey

newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke

Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya.

Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey

se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope

jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin

janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.

Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of Life "

hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah

gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn.

sincerely

mudit982001

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Dear Mudit jee ,

 

You have said :

 

" Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya

gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi

ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh

Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey

mehmaano ko chod kar. "

 

I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :

'1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar'

 

The seal in the center says :

 

All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi

 

Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group

Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}

 

I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have

been better if you had called it a get together of

members in and around Delhi.

 

 

ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log

intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko

yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya

kah sakti hun.

 

sincerely,

 

priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001>

wrote:

>

> Dear all members,

> First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my

> intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended

the

> seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service

to

> this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was

a

> small effort to repay something.

> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they

> lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must

> say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for

the

> occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we

> continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your

> mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But

one

> day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar

to

> me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the

> members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact

that

> the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it

and

> the certificates were also from your side.

> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group

> questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if

one

> of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.

> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only

> responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is

not

> that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to

> formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say

that

> you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same

> was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me ,

> prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only

> trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to

learn.

> I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the

> seminar event or this teaching course.

> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand

> what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How

do

> you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I

too

> have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous

> messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not

your

> sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this

group a

> success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that

by

> just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does

your

> contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening

> the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened

> everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and

> the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have

> about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed,

did

> thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how

many

> members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled

> totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who

> tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .

> I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know

and

> is hidden to us.

> I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing

and

> making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material.

We

> are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you

who

> told me not to load these files.

> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par

> bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye

> galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal

raha

> hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye

> mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze

lal-

> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi

> meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch

members

> ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch

> raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota

> parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab

makan

> ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main

kisi

> bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?

> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin

bulaya

> gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai

thi

> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh

> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka

merey

> mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es

field

> main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf

lal-

> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.

> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney

bina

> aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to

acha

> hoga.

> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney

> board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer

> Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant

> aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous

massage)

> jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki

> parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin

> samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney

usey

> pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey.

> 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney

kisi

> key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main

> request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona

> chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board

par

> do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha(

See

> privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki

> nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon

kon

> sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi

> jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door

> kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey

> bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat

se

> fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main

ek

> Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey

> newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke

> Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit

kiya.

> Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn

jinmey

> se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope

> jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin

> janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.

> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of

Life "

> hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah

> gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na

rakheyn.

> sincerely

> mudit982001

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Umesh ji,

 

 

I didn't want to add more mails to this thread but somehow your mail

tempted me to reply especially as you have used my name directly. I

also know that people here are fed up with such things and starting

from this mail, I'll try to avoid answering less important mails on

this issue.

 

I know that you are older to me in age and that respect I'll

definitely show towards you. It is not the first time in the forum

that someone have been criticized and it is good to tell what you

think right and what you think wrong. For example I remember one very

interesting scenario where Kulbir ji criticized me saying that I don't

know anything about Lal Kitab and I was more than happy to accept this

fact. Even this time, if I'll be found on mistake, I'll be more than

happy to accept it and the benefit will be I'll be knowing that

mistake after the debate. The objective is just to answer your queries

and allegations and make my points clearer.

 

My objective this time is not to prove anything right or wrong but to

convey what I think wrong and right with the reason. I believe it will

be a friendly discussion. I am replying below the points raised by you

in BLOCK letters.

----------------

Dear all members,

First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my

intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the

seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to

this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a

small effort to repay something.

I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they

lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must

say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the

occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we

continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your

mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one

day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to

me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the

members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that

the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and

the certificates were also from your side.

UMESH JI YOU AND I BOTH ARE HEAVY USERS OF INTERNET. AFTER TRYING TO

CONTACT SO MANY TIMES, YOU WOULD HAVE DROPPED A MAIL TO ME. I TRIED TO

PARTICIPATE IN ANY ONLINE CONFERENCE YOU WILL BE HAVING AND PEOPLE

HERE CAN TELL IF I AM WRONG. I'LL TELL YOU FEW THINGS THAT I FOUND NOT

CORRECTLY IMPLEMENTED -

 

1. THE SECOND LAST DAY OF THE SEMINAR, I CAME TO KNOW THAT THERE IS

SOMETHING CALLED " ALL INDIA LAL KITAB FORUM " WITH SECRETARY AND

PRESIDENT ETC ALL NOMINATED. DON'T YOU THINK THAT I HAVE RIGHT TO

OBJECT? DON'T YOU THINK THAT MY CONSENT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN THIS

MATTER? IT SEEMS QUITE FUNNY TO ME THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED EVERYTHING

ABOUT LAL KITAB FORUM WITHOUT EVEN A NEED TO TELL ME.

2. YOU ARE PUTTING MY NAME ON FEW STATIONERIES; DON'T YOU THINK THAT I

SHOULD BE INFORMED BEFORE DOING THIS?

3. YOU ARE PRINTING STATIONARY, CERTIFICATES ETC., DON'T YOU THINK

THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO SEE IT AND GIVEN MY OPINION?

4. THERE ARE MANY BUT HOW MANY SHOULD I TELL HERE. THE DAY BEFORE I

TALKED TO PRABHAKAR JI AND HE TOLD ME THAT THESE ALL THINGS ARE BEING

DONE BY ME. WASN'T IT STRANGE THAT EVEN PRABHAKAR JI WAS NOT KNOWING

ABOUT IT?

 

IT MAY NOT BE INTENTIONAL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE SERIOUS FLAWS

IN THE PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT. I MAY BE WRONG AND LOOKING FORWARD TO

LISTEN THEM. UPCOMING DAYS I AM FREE AND I'LL BE HAVING MORE TIME TO

REPLY YOUR MAILS AND CLARIFY THE MATTER FROM MY SIDE.

 

AS I POINTED OUT MANY TIMES THAT THERE WERE MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY

THE SEMINAR WAS ORGANIZED. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO OF MY WRITING

FIRST POST RELATED TO COURSE. I THOUGHT THAT IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO

HAVE AN OFFLINE COURSE HAVING THE EXPERIENCE OF SEMINAR AND I THOUGHT

I MUST BETTER TELL IT TO THE FORUM. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE

DISCUSSION ON SEMINAR CAUGHT ON AND TAKEN SUCH A TURN.

 

But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group

questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one

of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.

THERE IS NO ALLEGATION FROM MY SIDE. I KNOW IT HAS HURT YOU AND THAT'S

WHY YOU ARE WRITING SUCH THINGS. I MYSELF BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE

FOREMOST CONTRIBUTOR TO THE GROUP AND I RESPECT YOU IN THIS REGARD.

WHAT WE MUST THINK IS, IF THERE ARE SOME MISTAKES/ PROBLEMS THOSE MUST

BE RECTIFIED/ CLARIFIED.

 

Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only

responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not

that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to

formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that

you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same

was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me ,

prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only

trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn.

I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the

seminar event or this teaching course.

NOTHING TO PROVE OR DISPROVE HERE. MY POINT HERE IS WE COULD HAVE

BETTER UTILIZED TIME AND ENERGY BY FOCUSING ON ONLINE ACTIVITIES. YOUR

PERSONAL GUIDANCE TO KULBIR JI IS GOOD THING BUT WE SHOULD TRY TO TAKE

IT TO AS MANY MEMBERS OF THE FORUM AS POSSIBLE.

 

But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand

what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do

you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too

have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous

messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your

sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a

success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by

just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your

contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening

the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened

everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and

the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have

about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did

thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many

members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled

totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who

tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .

I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and

is hidden to us.

YOU HAVE RAISED MANY QUESTIONS HERE AND FEW ALLEGATIONS DIRECTLY ON

ME. LET ME GIVE ME OPINION ON IT. I GUESS EITHER YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO

UNDERSTAND ME OR I AM NOT ABLE TO CLARIFY IT FORM MY SIDE. FIRST OF

ALL, I MUST REPEAT HERE ABOUT YOUR CONTRIBUTION OF THE GROUP. YOU ARE

ONE OF THE LEADING CONTRIBUTOR FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND HATS OFF

FOR THAT.

 

THE GROUP IS NOT MY SOLE PROPERTY THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IN THE

GROUP PEOPLE DO HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES AND I HAVE ONE ROLE TO MANAGE

THINGS. IF I'LL FIND THAT SOMETHING IS NOT IN SYNC WITH THE OBJECTIVE,

I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY SO AND DEAL WITH THE A SITUATION?

 

I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TELL THIS POINT TO AN OLD MEMBER LIKE YOU THAT

YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB AND I AM DOING MY JOB. YOU ASKED ONE VERY

STRANGE QUESTION THAT HOW MANY HOROSCOPES HAVE I JUDGED HERE. I CAN

ALSO ASK HERE SAME QUESTION THAT HOW MANY CONTROVERSIES YOU HAVE TRIED

TO SOLVE HERE. WHAT YOU DID TO MAKE THIS GROUP APPROACHABLE.

DEFINITELY NOTHING MUCH AND THERE IS NOT NEED TO TELL THAT BECAUSE IT

IS NOT YOUR JOB. I, BEING A TECHNICAL PERSON, DID A LOT OF THINGS TO

PROMOTE THIS GROUP. SO IT SEEMS A STRANGE QUESTION TO ASK HOW MANY

CHARTS I HAD ANALYZED. ANOTHER POINT I NEED NOT TO TELL IS THAT THE

CORE OBJECTIVE OF FORUM IS NOT CONSULTANCY BUT LAL KITAB DISCUSSION.

PLEASE CHECK THE ARCHIVE AND YOU WILL KNOW THAT I WAS PART OF MOST OF

SUCH DISCUSSIONS.

 

PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER VERY WELL HERE. I GUESS LET PEOPLE DECIDE ABOUT

WHO HAS HIDDEN INTERESTS, IF ANY. IS THIS THOUGHT THE REASON FOR

DELIBERATELY TRYING TO EXCLUDE ME FROM ALL SEMINARS ORGANIZING

PROCESS? (I BELIEVE SO DUE TO REASONS POINTED ABOVE) IF YES, WE WOULD

HAVE DISCUSSED IT MUCH BEFORE AND NOT GOT INTO THIS CONTROVERSY. I

NEVER TALKED ABOUT YOUR VESTED INTERESTS. AS POINTED BY OTHER MEMBER,

WE ARE MUCH INTO ASTROLOGY WITH DIFFERENT ASTROLOGICAL PRODUCTS BUT

TELL ME ONE SCENARIO WHERE I TRIED TO PROMOTE MY PRODUCTS? I GUESS, IT

WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MY HIDDEN INTERESTS.

 

I NEVER HAD FINAL WORDS. PLEASE TELL ME ONE SCENARIO WHERE I DIDN'T

ASK FOR OPINION OF ALL MEMBERS AND SAID SOMETHING AS FINAL WORDS? WE

MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERY SUGGESTION OF EVENT SHOULD BE -

1. BENEFICIAL FOR GROUP AS A WHOLE

2. COLLABORATIVELY ORGANIZED WITH OPEN FLOW OF INFORMATION.

 

I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and

making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We

are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who

told me not to load these files.

I DIDN'T STOP YOU RATHER IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. AS FAR AS I KNOW THE

TOTAL ALLOWED FILE SIZE IN IS 20 MB PER GROUP AND 4CD

MEANS 2400 MB THAT WAS NOT TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE TO UPLOAD.

 

vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par

bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye

galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha

hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye

mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal-

kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi

meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn.

UMESH JI, MEIN AAPKO PERSNOALLY NAHIN JANTA, MEIN AAPKE IRADON KO,

APKE UDDESHYON KO NAHIN JANTA. YAH EK ONLINE FORUM HAI JAHAN

INFORMATION FLOW BAHUT HI MAHATVAPURNA HAI. MAIN APKE INTENTION EK

BARE MAIN KUCH NAHIN KAHTA LEKIN AGAR SUCHNA KA PRAVAHA SAHI TARAHA SE

NAHI HOGA TO SABKO MAUKA MILEGA SANDEHA KA. AAPKO JAWAB DENE KE LIYE

TAIYAAR RAHANA CHAIYE KYONKI AAP HI IS SEMINAR KE PICHE SABSE

MAHTWAPURNA VYAKTI HAIN. PRABHAKAR JI KO TO LAST DIN TAK BAHUT SARI

SOOCHNA NAHIN THI. SHAYAD AUR LOGO KO BHI NAHIN HOGI. TO KIS SE YE

PRASHNA KIYE JANE CHAHIYE?

 

Kuch members

ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch

raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota

parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan

ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi

bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?

PAR AAP IS PAR VICHAR TO KAR HI SAKTE HAIN. IS FORUM KE SABHI MEMBER

TO BANDAR NAHIN HO SAKTE? JO AAP YAHAN LIKHTE HAIN WOH KAYI LOGON TAK

PAHUNCHTA HAI. KAI LOG ACTIVELY INVOLVE HOTE HAIN TO KUCH LOG NAHIN

BHI HOTE HAIN PAR YAHAN LIKHA HUA BAHUT LOG PADHTE HAIN. SABHI LOGON

KO BANDAR SAMAJHNA UCHIT NAHIN HOGA. MAIN AAPSE NIVENDAR KARTA HOON KI

IS BAAT PAR AAP CHINTAN KAREN.

 

Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya

gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi

ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh

Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey

mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field

main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-

kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.

 

 

 

Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina

aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha

hoga.

KRIPYA ISE ILZAAM NA SAMJHE. KHASKAR KI MAINE WOHI LIKHA JO MUJHE

UCHIT LAGA. SARI MAILS ARCHIVE MAIN HAIN, KRIPYA MUJHE BATAYEN KI

MAINE KYA GALAT LIKHA HAI. MAIN APNI TARAF SE SPASHTIKARAN DENE KA

PRAYAS KARRONGA. AGAR KUCH GALAT HOGA TO SABKE SAAMNE AAPSE MAAFI BHI

MAANGOGA.

 

Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney

board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer

Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant

aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage)

jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki

parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin

samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey

pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey.

YAHI TO CHINTA KA VISHAY HAI. JIS TARAH BHATIA JI NE WOH PAPER LOAD

KIYA BAKI KE PAPER(S) LOAD KYON NAHIN HUE? VISHESHTAHA JAB KI PAHLE SE

PROMISE KIYA GAYA THA. JAB AAP IS FORUM KA PRAYOG KARTE HAIN TO FORUM

MEMBERS KO PUCHNE KA BHI ADHIKAAR DENA CHAHIYE. AISA ABHI TAK KYON

NAHIN HUA?

 

RAHI BAAT BHITYA JI PAPER TO PADHNE KA, WOH BHATIYA JI NE MUJHE AUR

AAPKO SAATH-SAATH BHEJA THA (SHAYAD WOH BHI YAHI SAMAJH RAHE HONGE KI

MAIN PURI TARAHA INVOLVE HOON). AAP CHAHEN TO MERA TEST LE SAKTE HAIN

:-). AAPKO YAH BHI BATA DOON KI MAINE BHATIYA JI KE PAPER KA JIKRA

APNI SHURUATI MAIL MAIN BHI KIYA THA, SHAYAD AAP SE SKIP HO GAYI HOGI

(KRIPYA DEKHEN MAIL DATED 13/10/2004 SUBJECT: RE: [LALKITAB] RE: LAL

KITAB COURSE; PUNIT)

 

2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi

key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main

request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona

chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par

do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See

privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki

nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon

sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi

jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

BILKUL SAHI KAHA AAPNE KI MUJHE NARAJGI JAHIR KARNE KA HAQ NAHI BANTA.

PAR UNKO FORUM KE FILE SECTION MAIN UPLOAD KARNE KAA KAHNE KA HAQ TO

BANTA HAI? VISHESHTAHA JAB HI AAPNE PROMOISE KIYA THA. MERE ABHI TAK

SAMAJH MEIN NAHIN AAYA KI AAP AISA KYON NAHIN KARNA CHATE? IS MAIN KYA

SAMASYA HAI?

 

Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door

kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey

bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se

fayda dene ki koshish ki hey.

PORNATAHA SAHAMAT HOON.

 

Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek

Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey

newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke

Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya.

Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey

se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope

jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin

janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.

Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of Life "

hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

SIRF AAPHI INFORMATION KE LIYE BATA DOON, MAIN YAH SAB JAANTA HOON AUR

ISKE ALAWA BHI BAHUT KUCH JAANTA HOON. AAKHIRKAR MERA KAAM BHI

SOFTWARE AUR WEBSITE KE BARE MAIN PURI INFORMATION RAKHNA HAI.

 

Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah

gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn.

SPASHTIKARAN KE LIYE SHUKRIYA. MAIN AAPSE DARKHWAST KARTA HOON KI AAP

ISE PRAKRIYA-MANTHAN AUR DOSTANA TAUR PAR LENGE. AGAR MERI KISI BAAT

SE AAPKO CHOT PAHUNCHI HO TO MAFI CHATA HOON. PAR KYA KAROON, AAPNE

SAWAL SIDHA MUJH PAR HI DAAGA THA.

 

I REPEAT THAT YOU WILL TAKE IT IN THE FRIEDLY AND POSITIVE MANNER. I

HAVE NOT PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH YOU ARE HOPEFULLY SAME WILL BE WITH

YOU. I HAVE RAISED SOME QUESTIONS HERE AND THERE AND HOPEFULLY YOU

WILL NOT ONLY REPLY BUT ALSO TRY TO UNDERSTAND ME. HOPE IT WILL

CLARFIY MY STAND.

 

REGARDS,

 

PUNIT PANDEY

 

 

 

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:39:29 -0000, Mudit982001 <mudit982001 wrote:

>

>

> Dear all members,

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PYARI PRIYA JEE,

 

TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.

 

PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE?

 

JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI?

 

JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI.

 

US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.

 

IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO.

 

 

LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI.

 

 

MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI.

 

 

TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. "KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE". MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON.

 

TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI.

 

EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND.........

 

MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA.

 

 

 

IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA.

APKA HAMDARD.AMARJIT SINGH THIND.

 

 

bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote:

Dear Mudit jee ,You have said :"Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulayagaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thiki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yehSeminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka mereymehmaano ko chod kar."I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :'1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' The seal in the center says :All India Lal Kitab Forum New DelhiYes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have been better if you had called it a get together of members in and around Delhi.ab

baat "bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki" , is group ke log intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya kah sakti hun.sincerely,priyalalkitab , "Mudit982001" <mudit982001> wrote:> > Dear all members,> First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a > small effort to repay something.> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the

> occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and > the certificates were also from your side.> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not >

that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn.> I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course.> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your > sole property;

Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .> I

think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files.> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal-> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum

puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam

na lagayen to acha > hoga.> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar

aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn

jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh "Way of Life" > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn.>

sincerely> mudit982001

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Dear Thind saheb,

 

I know you to be an elderly person and that you insisted for an

answer , therefore I am answering your letter. Had such a letter

been written by some one else I would have ignored it. Replies are

in brackets after your statement.

 

Thanking you,

 

sincerely,

 

priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , Amarjit Thind <thind_amarjit>

wrote:

> PYARI PRIYA JEE,

>

> TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI

FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE

BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM

KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO

FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.

 

 

{ Yes. I stand by what I had said because that is the truth }

 

 

>

> PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN

LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI

KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI

HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO

GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT

SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE?

 

 

{ The universal format to evaluate academic scholarship is the

books written , papers published in the journals , papers presented

in the conferences ; their citation index , their impact factor etc.

I had used the same. Whats wrong in that?

 

>

> JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT

EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR

US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO

KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE

KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI?

 

{ I hadn't said any thing about the ability of those present there

in the get together that day. All I had poited out was that some

other scholars from Delhi and around could have been invited. Why

should that hurt any body ? }

 

>

> JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA

MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI

UJAGAR KARTA HAI.

 

{ I wasn't at all impressed by the teve ki durusti stuff. How else

would you like me to react ? Applaud when I didn't find any thing

worth applauding for? }

 

 

>

> US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL

HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI

MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.

>

 

{ Sure, I have been studying the book for the last two years , but I

have had a Vedic astrology background. Secondly, Pt.Roopchand Joshi

is not the final word in astrology. No body is a final word you

could swear by , not at least in the field of knowledge . Knowledge

grows and new names emerge who add to the knowledge that had existed

before.}

 

 

> IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA

HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD

ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA

SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME

RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE

BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR

TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO.

>

 

{ Well if I ever need any PR job done for me , I assure you, I'll

get a better job done through a professional agency }

 

>

> LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA

BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS

PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR

VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE

POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE

SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE

MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI

HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI.

 

 

{ I don't have any Guru , nor would I ever need one.I take astrology

like any other branch of knowledge. At least I do not believe in the

mystique of a guru. The west doesn't have all this mystique and are

they worse off in any field of knowledge? }

 

>

>

> MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ

PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR

KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR

MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI

VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI

TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB

LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI

AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU

WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI.

 

 

{ It doesn't deserve my answer. The same old gender complex. But I

donot need any body's 'lihaz'. The woman of today is on her own and

has carved a niche for herself irrespective of the traditional

attitude against her. }

 

>

>

> TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI

KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO

GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE

MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI

HAIN. " KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE

JAYE " . MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON.

 

{ Sure, I have listened to you. But what is to be done will be

decided by me. I just don't go by what others tell me. I'll follow

the logic }

 

>

> TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN

BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR

APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL

KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ

HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI

AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI.

 

 

{ I would respect even some one younger to me , let alone some

elder , if I am convinced that he is a scholar in any branch of

knowledge. Whether I would be an expert in ten years from now , I

wouldn't want to be at the cost of my individuality }

>

> EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH

MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL

NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE

BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND.........

 

{ No. I was the one who had asked him to kindly indicate the planets

for which the questions were being asked and the remedies suggested }

 

>

> MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI

ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI

BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA

TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL

KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA

KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH

LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA.

 

{ No. I can not accept any body as my guru, because I donot believe

in that system at all.}

 

 

>

>

>

> IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK

BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE

JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA.

>

> APKA HAMDARD

> .

> AMARJIT SINGH THIND.

 

 

>

>

>

>

> bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Mudit jee ,

>

> You have said :

>

> " Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin

bulaya

> gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai

thi

> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh

> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka

merey

> mehmaano ko chod kar. "

>

> I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold

letters :

> '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar'

>

> The seal in the center says :

>

> All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi

>

> Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group

> Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}

>

> I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would

have

> been better if you had called it a get together of

> members in and around Delhi.

>

>

> ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log

> intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap

ko

> yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya

> kah sakti hun.

>

> sincerely,

>

> priya

>

lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all members,

> > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my

> > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended

> the

> > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service

> to

> > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it

was

> a

> > small effort to repay something.

> > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that

they

> > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i

must

> > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for

> the

> > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we

> > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your

> > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off.

But

> one

> > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the

seminar

> to

> > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the

> > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact

> that

> > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on

it

> and

> > the certificates were also from your side.

> > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group

> > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even

if

> one

> > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.

> > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I

only

> > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is

> not

> > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to

> > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say

> that

> > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the

same

> > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from

me ,

> > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only

> > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to

> learn.

> > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the

> > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't

understand

> > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few.

How

> do

> > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I

> too

> > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the

previous

> > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not

> your

> > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this

> group a

> > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think

that

> by

> > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does

> your

> > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding

opening

> > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened

> > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work

and

> > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you

have

> > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed,

> did

> > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how

> many

> > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have

levelled

> > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members

who

> > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the

forum, .

> > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know

> and

> > is hidden to us.

> > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing

> and

> > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material.

> We

> > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you

> who

> > told me not to load these files.

> > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par

> > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke

liye

> > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal

> raha

> > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye

> > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar

muze

> lal-

> > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan

koi

> > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch

> members

> > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum

puch

> > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota

> > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab

> makan

> > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main

> kisi

> > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?

> > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin

> bulaya

> > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai

> thi

> > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki

yeh

> > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka

> merey

> > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es

> field

> > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi

sirf

> lal-

> > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.

> > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney

> bina

> > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to

> acha

> > hoga.

> > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney

> > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek

computer

> > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to

turant

> > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous

> massage)

> > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki

> > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin

> > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney

> usey

> > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey.

> > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney

> kisi

> > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main

> > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona

> > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board

> par

> > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha(

> See

> > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki

> > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To

kon

> kon

> > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi

narajgi

> > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko

door

> > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey

> > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat

> se

> > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki

main

> ek

> > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney

valey

> > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb

ke

> > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit

> kiya.

> > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn

> jinmey

> > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna

horoscope

> > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain

ki " Pay-

> > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main

nahin

> > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey

hain.

> > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of

> Life "

> > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi

rah

> > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na

> rakheyn.

> > sincerely

> > mudit982001

>

>

>

>

>

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Respected Thind

Sahib,

 

It was a pleasure to read your letter. How

to carry oneself in life … this lesson you gave beautifully.

 

Request: Can you please contribute a little

more …? At least in discussions on finer points of Lal Kitab?

 

I already feel blessed by your

blessings.

 

 

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amarjit Thind

[thind_amarjit]

16 October 2004 15:49

lalkitab

Re: [lalkitab] Re:

SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004

 

 

 

PYARI PRIYA JEE,

 

 

 

 

 

TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT

UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR

BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN

NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA,

BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.

 

 

 

 

 

PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN

LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE

HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE

LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO

GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE

KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE?

 

 

 

 

 

JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK

TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE

HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI

WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI

TARAH BHI KAM HAI?

 

 

 

 

 

JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA

MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA

HAI.

 

 

 

 

 

US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE

HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP

CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.

 

 

 

 

 

IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI

LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT

RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI

KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL

BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA

BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT

TO MAT MARO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON

SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA

KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE

HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA

KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN

HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA

JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ

PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR

HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA

TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI.

TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE

HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR

SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU

WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI

KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR

SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI

SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. " KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE

- BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE " . MAIN UNKO

SHABASHI DETA HOON.

 

 

 

 

 

TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE

NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT

AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA

HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA

VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI.

 

 

 

 

 

EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN

HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI

BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI,

HAAN BAND.........

 

 

 

 

 

MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI

ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD

PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI

TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR

APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT

BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG

KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE

INTZAR RAHEGA.

 

 

 

APKA HAMDARD

..

AMARJIT SINGH THIND.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

bhooshanpriya

<bhooshanpriya wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mudit jee ,

 

You have said :

 

" Kisi member

ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya

gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai

thi

ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main

batata hoon ki yeh

Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha

sirf ekka-dukka merey

mehmaano ko chod kar. "

 

I have just now checked the folder , it says in

large bold letters :

'1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar'

 

The seal in the center says :

 

All India

Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi

 

Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab

group

Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for

members only}

 

I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have

been better if you had called it a get together of

 

members in and around Delhi.

 

 

ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane

ki " , is group ke log

intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe

hain. Agar aap ko

yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to

ismein mein kya

kah sakti hun.

 

sincerely,

 

priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab ,

" Mudit982001 " <mudit982001>

wrote:

>

> Dear all members,

> First of all i thank all those who have tried

to understand my

> intentions behind organising the seminar. All

those who attended

the

> seminar are witness that the only purpose was

to do some service

to

> this graet book. I have gained a lot through

this book and it was

a

> small effort to repay something.

> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in

particular that they

> lend me the opportunity to do some humble

service. Punit ji i must

> say your doubts are unfounded, You were made

the chief guest for

the

> occasion and the seminar started three hours

late because we

> continued to wait for you. I personally tried

to contact on your

> mobile number so many times but your mobile

was switched off. But

one

> day earlier you had given your confirmation

to attend the seminar

to

> me on phone. About the seminar events i

needn't say much as the

> members who attended have clearly listed them

and also the fact

that

> the material distributed had Lalkitab

group inscribed on it

and

> the certificates were also from your side.

> But i am terribly pained at the recent

developments at the group

> questioning my very motives. I promise to

leave astrology even if

one

> of the allegations levelled against me is

substainted in any way.

> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came

from the group, I only

> responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that

learning astrology is

not

> that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and

prabhakar tried to

> formulate some kind of guidelines for the

aspirants. As you say

that

> you have problems inspite of putting in two

years labour, the same

> was the case with kulbir but once he got the

guidelines from me ,

> prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up

fast. We were only

> trying to repeat this experiment with all

those who desire to

learn.

> I again challenge anyone to prove any

material motive behind the

> seminar event or this teaching course.

> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i

still can't understand

> what you mean things being done at your back

to benefit a few. How

do

> you say that YOUR group was misused. For your

kind information I

too

> have contributed in grooming this group.

Kindly check the previous

> messages and you will get the clear picture.

This group is not

your

> sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia,

Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> Khattar and many others have contributed a

lot in making this

group a

> success. There is no pointing finger from

them. Do you think that

by

> just opening the group you have the final

word. May I ask does

your

> contribution match with any of the above

listed. Regarding opening

> the group I think it's free and their are

many groups opened

> everyday. What makes a group a success is the

members who work and

> the group belongs to them also. May i know

what expertise you have

> about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes

you have analysed,

did

> thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See

for yourself how

many

> members ask you for analysis of thier

kundalis. You have levelled

> totally unsubstantiated and uncalled

comments. Ask the members who

> tried to contact me directly, i told them to

apply in the forum, .

> I think you felt insecure about your mission

which you only know

and

> is hidden to us.

> I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the

process of editing

and

> making one or two out of them by deleting

unneccessary material.

We

> are not even charging any member for it.

Incidentally it was you

who

> told me not to load these files.

> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam

kareyn aap un par

> bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab

ki promotion ke liye

> galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab

ke naam se hi chal

raha

> hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne

muze es baat ke liye

> mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam

dekhoon aur agar muze

lal-

> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi

jagah dekhun jahan koi

> meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na

kar skeyn. Kuch

members

> ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis

grah ka symtum puch

> raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye

vo faydemand hota

> parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi

jaantey ki main jab

makan

> ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se

sambandhit hey? main

kisi

> bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye

thik rahega?

> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur

experts ko kyon nahin

bulaya

> gaya

to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai

thi

> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to

main batata hoon ki yeh

> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi

tha sirf ekka-dukka

merey

> mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es

field

> main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300

jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf

lal-

> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey

dikha dun.

> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi

baat ko pura jaaney

bina

> aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi

ilzaam na lagayen to

acha

> hoga.

> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main

hua veh sab hamney

> board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene

Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer

> Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load

kartey hain to turant

> aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na

kareyn(check previous

massage)

> jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper

main sirf seminar ki

> parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load

karna jaruri nahin

> samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo

load hey. Kya aapney

usey

> pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey

main bhi to likhtey.

> 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya

to punit ji humney

kisi

> key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin

bheja sirf fourm main

> request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi

thi kya agenda hona

> chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda

bana vo humney board

par

> do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney

ke baad) dala tha(

See

> privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi

nahin to hum jo ki

> nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla

sakey chalaya. To kon

kon

> sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat

se aapko koi narajgi

> jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni

es galatfahmi ko door

> kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka

koi fayda udhaya hey

> bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members

ko apani puri takat

se

> fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi

tarah jaan leyn ki main

ek

> Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey

> newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye

to sirf Lal-kitanb ke

> Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab

karney ke liye utsahit

kiya.

> Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3

websites

> astrologypoint.com,

umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn

jinmey

> se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free

main apna horoscope

> jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap

samjhtey hain ki " Pay-

> pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki

Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin

> janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey

main jaan saktey hain.

> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo

ke liye yeh " Way of

Life "

> hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi

aapko koi galatfahmi rah

> gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main

koi bhi bhar na

rakheyn.

>

sincerely

>

mudit982001

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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PRIYA JEE

 

APKE JAWAB NE APKE MUTALLAK UN BATON KA BHI KHULASA KAR DIYA JO KI MAIN POOCHHNE SE JHIJHAK RAHA THA.

 

SHUKRIYA,

AMARJIT SINGH THIND.bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote:

Dear Thind saheb,I know you to be an elderly person and that you insisted for an answer , therefore I am answering your letter. Had such a letter been written by some one else I would have ignored it. Replies are in brackets after your statement.Thanking you,sincerely,priyalalkitab , Amarjit Thind <thind_amarjit> wrote:> PYARI PRIYA JEE,> > TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.{ Yes. I stand by what I had said because that is the

truth }> > PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE? { The universal format to evaluate academic scholarship is the books written , papers published in the journals , papers presented in the conferences ; their citation index , their impact factor etc. I had used the same. Whats wrong in that?> > JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO

TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI? { I hadn't said any thing about the ability of those present there in the get together that day. All I had poited out was that some other scholars from Delhi and around could have been invited. Why should that hurt any body ? }> > JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI.{ I wasn't at all impressed by the teve ki durusti stuff. How else would you like me to react ? Applaud when I didn't find any thing worth applauding for? }> > US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.> { Sure, I have been studying the book for the last two years ,

but I have had a Vedic astrology background. Secondly, Pt.Roopchand Joshi is not the final word in astrology. No body is a final word you could swear by , not at least in the field of knowledge . Knowledge grows and new names emerge who add to the knowledge that had existed before.}> IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO.> { Well if I ever need any PR job done for me , I assure you, I'll get a better job done through a professional agency }> > LAL KITAB

KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI.{ I don't have any Guru , nor would I ever need one.I take astrology like any other branch of knowledge. At least I do not believe in the mystique of a guru. The west doesn't have all this mystique and are they worse off in any field of knowledge? }> > > MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI

AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI. { It doesn't deserve my answer. The same old gender complex. But I donot need any body's 'lihaz'. The woman of today is on her own and has carved a niche for herself irrespective of the traditional attitude against her. }> > > TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU

WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. "KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE". MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON.{ Sure, I have listened to you. But what is to be done will be decided by me. I just don't go by what others tell me. I'll follow the logic }> > TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI.{ I would respect even some one younger to me , let alone some elder , if I am convinced that he is a scholar in any branch of knowledge. Whether I would be an expert in ten years from now , I wouldn't want to be at the cost of my individuality }> > EK BAAT

KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND......... { No. I was the one who had asked him to kindly indicate the planets for which the questions were being asked and the remedies suggested }> > MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA.{ No. I can not accept any body as my guru, because I donot believe in that system at

all.}> > > > IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA.> > APKA HAMDARD> .> AMARJIT SINGH THIND.> > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > > Dear Mudit jee ,> > You have said :> > "Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya> gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey> mehmaano ko chod kar."> > I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :> '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish

Seminar' > > The seal in the center says :> > All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi> > Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group > Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}> > I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have > been better if you had called it a get together of > members in and around Delhi.> > > ab baat "bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki" , is group ke log > intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko > yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya > kah sakti hun.> > sincerely,> > priya> > > > > > > > lalkitab , "Mudit982001" <mudit982001> > wrote:> > > > Dear all members,> >

First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my > > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended > the > > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service > to > > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was > a > > small effort to repay something.> > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for > the > > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But > one > > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar > to

> > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact > that > > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it > and > > the certificates were also from your side.> > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if > one > > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.> > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is > not > > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say > that > > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour,

the same > > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to > learn.> > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > > seminar event or this teaching course.> > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How > do > > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I > too > > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not > your > > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making

this > group a > > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that > by > > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does > your > > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, > did > > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how > many > > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled > > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .> > I think

you felt insecure about your mission which you only know > and > > is hidden to us. > > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing > and > > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. > We > > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you > who > > told me not to load these files.> > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal > raha > > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze > lal-> > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na

kar skeyn. Kuch > members > > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab > makan > > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main > kisi > > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?> > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin > bulaya > > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai > thi > > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka > merey > > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es > field > > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf >

lal-> > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.> > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney > bina > > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to > acha > > hoga.> > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous > massage) > > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin > > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney > usey > > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin

bataya to punit ji humney > kisi > > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board > par > > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( > See > > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon > kon > > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat > se > > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi

tarah jaan leyn ki main > ek > > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit > kiya. > > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn > jinmey > > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain ki "Pay-> > pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.> > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh "Way of > Life" > > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko

koi galatfahmi rah > > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na > rakheyn.> > sincerely> > mudit982001> > > > >

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JANAB SHEKH SAHEB

 

APKE AGAR ZINDAGI AUR SEHAT NE SATH DIYA TO MAIN AAP SAB BHAYION KI KHIDMAT MEIN JO ADNA SE TIL-PHOOL MERE PAAS HAIN ZAROOR PESH KAROONGA

 

FAQAT APKA

 

AMARJIT SINGH THIND.

 

Sheikh Pervez Hameed <pervez wrote:

 

 

 

Respected Thind Sahib,

 

It was a pleasure to read your letter. How to carry oneself in life … this lesson you gave beautifully.

 

Request: Can you please contribute a little more …? At least in discussions on finer points of Lal Kitab?

 

I already feel blessed by your blessings.

 

 

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

 

 

 

 

 

Amarjit Thind [thind_amarjit] 16 October 2004 15:49lalkitab Subject: Re: [lalkitab] Re: SEMINAR DATED 19-09.-2004

 

 

PYARI PRIYA JEE,

 

 

 

TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.

 

 

 

PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE?

 

 

 

JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI?

 

 

 

JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI.

 

 

 

US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE, BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.

 

 

 

IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO MAT MARO.

 

 

 

 

 

LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI. BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE GUREJ KARTI.

 

 

 

 

 

MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI.

 

 

 

 

 

TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. "KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE". MAIN UNKO SHABASHI DETA HOON.

 

 

 

TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI HOGI.

 

 

 

EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN BANDRON KE HATH MEIN HATHIYAR DENE KI BAAT UMESH JI NE KI HAI, US ME TUM SHAMIL NAHIN HO, KYON KI BANDAR NAR HOTE HAIN AUR TUM TO MADEEN HO, IS LIYE BANDAR TO NAHIN HO SAKTI, HAAN BAND.........

 

 

 

MERI LAL KITAB KO PADHNE AUR SAMAJHNE KI KAWAYAD PICHHLE 50 SE BHI ZYADA BARSON SE JAARI HAI. MAINE JO BHI KUCHH LIKHA HAI USI KI BUNIYAD PAR LIKHA HAI. TUMHARE KAFI KHAT MAINE DEKHE HAIN, MERA TAZURBA YE KEHTA HAI KI TUM ME KABLIYAT DIKHAI DETI HAI EK ACHHA LAL KITAB JYOTISHI BANNE KI, MAGAR APNE DIL AUR DEEMAG ME TAVAZUN PAIDA KARO.AUR ZUBAN PAR LAGAM LAGANE KI MAHARAT BHI KISI USTAD SE SEEKH LO TUMHARE LIYE BAHUT BEHTAR HOGA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IS KHAT KA JISE LIKHNE KE LIYE MUJHE 1 GHANTA LAG GAYA, AUR EK BAZURAG KI BATON KA TUM PAR KYA ASAR HUYA, YE JANNE KE LIYE TUMHARE JAWAB KA MUJHE INTZAR RAHEGA.

 

APKA HAMDARD.AMARJIT SINGH THIND.

 

 

 

 

 

bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote:

 

Dear Mudit jee ,You have said :"Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulayagaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thiki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yehSeminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka mereymehmaano ko chod kar."I have just now checked the

folder , it says in large bold letters :'1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar' The seal in the center says :All India Lal Kitab Forum New DelhiYes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would have been better if you had called it a get together of members in and around Delhi.ab baat "bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki" , is group ke log intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya kah sakti hun.sincerely,priyalalkitab , "Mudit982001" <mudit982001> wrote:> > Dear all members,> First of all i thank all those who

have tried to understand my > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended the > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service to > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was a > small effort to repay something.> I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that they > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i must > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for the

> occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But one > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar to > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact that > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it and

> the certificates were also from your side.> But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if one > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.> Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is not > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say

that > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the same > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me , > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to learn.> I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the > seminar event or this teaching course.> But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few. How

do > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I too > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the previous > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not your > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar, > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this group a > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that by > just

opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does your > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding opening > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work and > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you have > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed, did > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how many > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You

have levelled > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members who > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .> I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know and > is hidden to us. > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing and > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material. We > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you who > told me not to load these files.> vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal raha > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze lal-> kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan koi > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch members > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab makan > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main kisi > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?> Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad

dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka merey > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es field > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf lal-> kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.> Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney bina > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to acha > hoga.> Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek computer > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous massage) > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin

> samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney usey > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey. > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney kisi > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board par > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha( See > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon kon > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.> Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko door > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat se > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki main

ek > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit kiya. > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn jinmey > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey

hain ki "Pay-> pal" ya "CCAvenue" jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main nahin > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.> Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh "Way of Life" > hey par merey liye to "life" hey. > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na rakheyn.> sincerely> mudit982001

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Priya ji

of lal-kitab main kya sirf delhi ke hi log hain kya?

Aur jab Members Chandigarh, Madras, Rishikesh, Pune, Bhiwani,

Ghaziabad, Hissar,Faridabad jaghon se aayen hon to isko kya kaha

jayega?

Haan ye jaroor hey ki log kam they?

Aap ye bataiye ki aap ney vahaan kitney log esey the jo ki jyotishi

nahi the aur sirf apni patri dikhaney aaye the? Koi ek udhaharan.

ak bat aur ye bandarpaney ki baat nahin hey to aur kya hey ki main

file par yeh likhvata " Sirf Members " Kya yeh uchit tha?

Sirf " Lal-kitab " etna likhna ki kafi nahi tha samjhney ke

liye?

2ra udhaharan :- aapney apni mail main kai expeperts ke naam ginvayen

pata nahin unmeyn se kitno ko aap janti bhi hey ya nahin parntoo

kabhi aap ek publically proggramme rakheyn jahan aap chaheyn ye vada

raha ki kharch bhi main karuga vahan aap enhey bulayen aur ense

charcha kareyn swal-jwab karvayen tab aapko apni aur unmey se kitno

lo lal-kitab ke barey main kitni jaankari hey pata chal jayega.

Madam aap key kahey anusaar aap do saal se esey pad rahin heyn aur

aapki jaankari ke liye main ueh bta doon ki jin jin experts ke aapney

naam ginvaayen hey unhi se metre barey main puch lain ki main kitney

saal se es field main hoon aur kya hesiyat rakhtan hoon?

3. aapney mera jawab jo meney punit ko diya hey shayad nahin pada

mene usmey kaha hey aap kaheyn to 300 ya jyada lal-kitab ke

jyotishiyon ko bulva doon?

4. mere pas puri recarding hey ussey dhekheyn aur batayiga ki mene ek

baar bhi apni kitab ke barey main jikra kiya hey?

5. Goyal & co. valey muzey perssonaly jantey hain aur aaj se nahi

pichley 20 saal sey aur usney koi stall nahin lagata tha.

6. chunki mostly members ki demand thi ki litreture available karaya

jay unki sahuliyat ke liye hi ye sab arrangement kiya gaya tha.

Main groupe members ko ye batana chahta hoon ki humney vahan ek

register rakha hua tha jismey sab aaney vallon se Entry karayi gayi

thi. Jara Ensey pucha jaay ki ye agar vahin majud thi to kya enki

entry hey agar hey to kis naam sey? (2)Agar entry nahin ki to kyon?

aur yanhi se inki Immandari ka pata chalta het.

aapse ek gujarish kartaa hoon ki sirf apni negetive approach ke karan

dusron ki Imaandari par bevajah shak karney ki es aadat ko aap chod

kar kuch positive sonchey. Taki aap aapna bhi bhala kar sakeyn aur

dusrey jo acha kaam kar raheyn vah bhi nirutsahit na hoon.

Hona to ye chahiye tha ki aap kuch sujhav rakhti ki aagey aur kis

tarah se lal-kitab ko parmote kiya jaaye? kon kon se achey aur sulabh

tarikey ho saktey hain?

vese to kahawat hey ki " bya ne bandar ko sikh di to bandar ney uska

ghonsla hi tod diya " Parntoo main bhi apni aadat se majboor hoon

kahey bagair rah nahin sakta.

jahan tak aapki knowledge ka swal hey to chaliye main vaidic par hi

aapsey baat kartaa hoon aur aapsey prarthana kartaa hoon ki aap mere

doubts ko clear karengi.

1.Mahadasha system " KETU " se kyon shuru kiya jata hey?

2. VENUS ko mahadasha main 20 varsh kyon diye gayen hain?

3. 10th house ko profession ka karak kyon mana hey?

4. Chaitra sudi Navami ko Ram Navami manai jaati hey aur chaira maas

main Surya Meen main hota hey to Parbhu RamCjandra ki ptri main

Surya " MESH " mainKyon Hey?

Sirf dusron par ungli mat uthaeye Kuch apney gyan ko bhi darshayiye?

Shesh aapkey jwab ke aaney ke bad

mudit982001

 

lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Mudit jee ,

>

> You have said :

>

> " Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin bulaya

> gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai thi

> ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki yeh

> Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka

merey

> mehmaano ko chod kar. "

>

> I have just now checked the folder , it says in large bold letters :

> '1st All India Lal Kitab Jyotish Seminar'

>

> The seal in the center says :

>

> All India Lal Kitab Forum New Delhi

>

> Yes , within brackets it says : Lal Kitab group

> Doesn't say 'sirf members ke liye { for members only}

>

> I feel that instead of calling it an all India seminar it would

have

> been better if you had called it a get together of

> members in and around Delhi.

>

>

> ab baat " bandar ke haath mein talwar pakrane ki " , is group ke log

> intne bandar bhi nahi hain jitna aap samajhh rahe hain. Agar aap ko

> yeh galat fahami hai ki gyan aap tak seemit hai to ismein mein kya

> kah sakti hun.

>

> sincerely,

>

> priya

>

lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all members,

> > First of all i thank all those who have tried to understand my

> > intentions behind organising the seminar. All those who attended

> the

> > seminar are witness that the only purpose was to do some service

> to

> > this graet book. I have gained a lot through this book and it was

> a

> > small effort to repay something.

> > I am thankful to this group and Shri Punit in particular that

they

> > lend me the opportunity to do some humble service. Punit ji i

must

> > say your doubts are unfounded, You were made the chief guest for

> the

> > occasion and the seminar started three hours late because we

> > continued to wait for you. I personally tried to contact on your

> > mobile number so many times but your mobile was switched off. But

> one

> > day earlier you had given your confirmation to attend the seminar

> to

> > me on phone. About the seminar events i needn't say much as the

> > members who attended have clearly listed them and also the fact

> that

> > the material distributed had Lalkitab inscribed on it

> and

> > the certificates were also from your side.

> > But i am terribly pained at the recent developments at the group

> > questioning my very motives. I promise to leave astrology even if

> one

> > of the allegations levelled against me is substainted in any way.

> > Regarding Lalkitab course the request came from the group, I only

> > responded. I agree with Bhushan Priya that learning astrology is

> not

> > that easy by itself, myself, lalkitabee and prabhakar tried to

> > formulate some kind of guidelines for the aspirants. As you say

> that

> > you have problems inspite of putting in two years labour, the

same

> > was the case with kulbir but once he got the guidelines from me ,

> > prabhakr and lalkitabee he started picking up fast. We were only

> > trying to repeat this experiment with all those who desire to

> learn.

> > I again challenge anyone to prove any material motive behind the

> > seminar event or this teaching course.

> > But Punit I didn't expect that from you. i still can't understand

> > what you mean things being done at your back to benefit a few.

How

> do

> > you say that YOUR group was misused. For your kind information I

> too

> > have contributed in grooming this group. Kindly check the

previous

> > messages and you will get the clear picture. This group is not

> your

> > sole property; Rajinder Bhatia, Upadhyia, Lalkitabee, Prabhakar,

> > Khattar and many others have contributed a lot in making this

> group a

> > success. There is no pointing finger from them. Do you think that

> by

> > just opening the group you have the final word. May I ask does

> your

> > contribution match with any of the above listed. Regarding

opening

> > the group I think it's free and their are many groups opened

> > everyday. What makes a group a success is the members who work

and

> > the group belongs to them also. May i know what expertise you

have

> > about Lal Kitab. Tell me how many horoscopes you have analysed,

> did

> > thier Darusti and recommended the upayas? See for yourself how

> many

> > members ask you for analysis of thier kundalis. You have levelled

> > totally unsubstantiated and uncalled comments. Ask the members

who

> > tried to contact me directly, i told them to apply in the forum, .

> > I think you felt insecure about your mission which you only know

> and

> > is hidden to us.

> > I send the 4 cds to prabhakr ji who is in the process of editing

> and

> > making one or two out of them by deleting unneccessary material.

> We

> > are not even charging any member for it. Incidentally it was you

> who

> > told me not to load these files.

> > vese punit ji yeh tyik nahin ki jo acha kaam kareyn aap un par

> > bevajah ka shak kareyn.Yeh sab jab Lal-kitab ki promotion ke liye

> > galat hey to yeh aapkey group jo ki la-kitab ke naam se hi chal

> raha

> > hey kahan se acha hoga? Aapkey es ravaye ne muze es baat ke liye

> > mazboor kar diya hey ki main sirf apna kaam dekhoon aur agar muze

> lal-

> > kitab se mohabbat hey to main koi dusri esi jagah dekhun jahan

koi

> > meri es kitab ke parti emaandaari par shak na kar skeyn. Kuch

> members

> > ka kahna ki main yeh nahin likhta ki main kis grah ka symtum puch

> > raha hoon. ye thik hey ki new comers ke liye vo faydemand hota

> > parntoo konsey newcomers? jo yeh bhi nahi jaantey ki main jab

> makan

> > ka jikra kartaa hoon to vo kon sey grah se sambandhit hey? main

> kisi

> > bandar ke haath main Talwar pakda doon kya ye thik rahega?

> > Kisi member ne yeh bhi kaha hey ki aur experts ko kyon nahin

> bulaya

> > gaya to vo meharbaan jara us file ko pad dekheyn jo unhey di gai

> thi

> > ki us par kya likha hua hey? agar nahin to main batata hoon ki

yeh

> > Seminar sirf members ke liye hi tha sirf ekka-dukka

> merey

> > mehmaano ko chod kar. Varna bhai main pichley 10-12 saal se es

> field

> > main hoon aur aap kaheyn to agli baar 300 jyotishiyon vo bhi sirf

> lal-

> > kitab par kaam karney valey ko ikktha karkey dikha dun.

> > Punit ji, apsy darkhawast hey ki bina kisi baat ko pura jaaney

> bina

> > aur bina kisi saboot key aap kisi par bhi ilzaam na lagayen to

> acha

> > hoga.

> > Jahan tak aapka swaal hey ki jo seminaar main hua veh sab hamney

> > board par kyon nahi rakha? jab mene Jyotish-mail jo ki ek

computer

> > Eng. hey se pucha tha ki File ko kesey load kartey hain to turant

> > aapney massage kiya ki esy aap load na kareyn(check previous

> massage)

> > jahan tak papers ka swall hey to ek paper main sirf seminar ki

> > parshansha men hi likha thi to vah mene load karna jaruri nahin

> > samjha dusra paper Sh. Bhatiya ji ka tha jo load hey. Kya aapney

> usey

> > pada hey? agar pada hey to kuch uskey barey main bhi to likhtey.

> > 2ra swaal ki humney aapko agenda nahin bataya to punit ji humney

> kisi

> > key bhi ghar par especial invitation nahin bheja sirf fourm main

> > request kari thi aur unhi se rai bhi mangi thi kya agenda hona

> > chahiye so members ki slah se jo bhi agenda bana vo humney board

> par

> > do baar( jismey se ek baar aapse baat karney ke baad) dala tha(

> See

> > privious massage)eskey bad jab aap aaye hi nahin to hum jo ki

> > nosikhiye the jese ban pada seminar ko chla sakey chalaya. To kon

> kon

> > sey paper padey aur nahin padey gaye es baat se aapko koi narajgi

> > jahir karney ka haq nahi banta.

> > Aapko ek baat aur saaaf kar doon ki aap apni es galatfahmi ko

door

> > kar leyn ki mainey es fouram ki goodwill ka koi fayda udhaya hey

> > bulki es fouram ko shohrat aur eskey members ko apani puri takat

> se

> > fayda dene ki koshish ki hey. Aap yeh achi tarah jaan leyn ki

main

> ek

> > Professional Astrologer hoon aur bakayda delhi se nikalaney valey

> > newspaper aur Magazines main likhta hoon.Ye to sirf Lal-kitanb ke

> > Naam se pyar hi tha jisaney muzy yeh sab karney ke liye utsahit

> kiya.

> > Aapko shayad ye bhi nahin maloom ki meri 3 websites

> > astrologypoint.com, umeshsharma.net,umeshsharma.com bhi heyn

> jinmey

> > se do par aap bina kisi kimat ko chukaye free main apna horoscope

> > jitna aap chaheyn bana sakteyn hein. Kya aap samjhtey hain

ki " Pay-

> > pal " ya " CCAvenue " jo ki Payment gateway hain ke baarey main

nahin

> > janta. Yanhi se aap meri integrity ke barey main jaan saktey hain.

> > Main Lal-kitab se mohabbat karta hoon longo ke liye yeh " Way of

> Life "

> > hey par merey liye to " life " hey.

> > Aaklhir main mera yahi kahna hey ki abhi aapko koi galatfahmi rah

> > gayi ho to usey bhi sapshat kar lyn. Man main koi bhi bhar na

> rakheyn.

> > sincerely

> > mudit982001

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thind sahib tees mar khan ka kissa suna to zaroor tha

par aap ko dekha pahli baar hai. priya to acknowledge

karti hai ki sikh rahi hai.priya ne group ke liye

contribute kiya hai aur jo member group mein activily

participate karte hain unka haq hai tokne ka. priya se

jhagda hamari bahen jaise hai. par hazoor aap

lordsahib kyon ban rahe ho. na koi kundali dekhi na

kissi pehlu par charcha ki kha m kha DON ban baithe,

baat capital alphabet mein likhne se kya aap

lalkitabee ho gaye. aaiye kissi bhi pahlu par baat

shuru to kariye hum bhi to dekhein ki kitne paani mein

ho. muaf karein sahib hum aazmaiye bagair aapko ustaad

nahin mante. AUR SHEIKH PARVEZ SAHIB KYA AAP BATEINGE

KI IN SAHIB MEIN AAPNE ASIA KYA DEKHA. AGAR AAP

ANTARYAMI HAIN TO BAAT ALAG HAIN NAHIN TO ABHI TAK

SAHIB NE KYA DEKHA KI IS TARAH KAYAL HO GAYE.

 

kulbir

 

> Amarjit Thind [thind_amarjit]

>

> 16 October 2004 15:49

> lalkitab

> Re: [lalkitab] Re: SEMINAR DATED

> 19-09.-2004

>

>

>

>

> PYARI PRIYA JEE,

>

>

>

>

>

> TUM NE IS SEMINAR KE MUTALLAK BAHUT SE SAWALAT

> UTHAYE HAIN. KI FALANE KO NAHIN BULAYA DHIMKANE KO

> NAHIN BULAYA, STAGE PAR BAITHE BANDON MEIN FALANA

> AISA THA, DHIMKANA AISA THA, IS FORUM KA NAAM KAHIN

> NAHIN THA, ALL INDIA SEMINAR NAHIN BOLNA CHAHIYE

> THA, KISI KO FAYDA NAHIN HUYA, BANDE VAHAN PAR BAHUT

> KUM THE VAGAIRA-2.

>

>

>

>

>

> PHIR TUMNE KITABON KA JIKAR KIYA HAI KI PHALANE NE

> ITNI KITABEN LIKHI DHIMKANE NE KOYI KITAB NAHIN

> LIKHI. KYA KITAB LIKHNE SE HI KOYI MAHAN BAN JATA

> HAI? SHIRIMALI NE JYOTISH KI DARZNO KITABE LIKHI

> HAIN AUR PUNDIT JI NE SIRAF 5 TO KYA PUNDIT JI KA

> WAKAR UN SE KAM HO GAYA? AUR SHRIMALI KYA PUNDIT JI

> SE JYADA MAHAN HO GAYA? PUNDIT SOMDUTT NE KOYI KITAB

> NAHIN LIKHI TO KYA WHO ANADI HO GAYE?

>

>

>

>

>

> JIN LOGON KI KABLIYAT PAR TUMNE UNGLI UTHAI HAI WO

> SAB KI HAISIYAT EK TEACHER WALI HAI JO KHUD TO

> HAMESHA EK TEACHER HI REHTA HAI MAGAR US KE PADHAYE

> HUYE SHAGIRD BADE-2 AUHDON TAK PAHUNCH JATE HAIN. TO

> KYA IS SE YE MANA JAYE KI WHO TEACHER BUDHU HAI, YA

> APNE CHELON SE KISI TARAH BHI KAM HAI?

>

>

>

>

>

> JIS TARAH SE TUM NE SAMMELAN MEIN TEVE KI DARUSTI KE

> DHANG KA MAZAK UDANE KI GUSTAKHI KI HAI, YE TUMHARE

> ANADIPAN KO AUR BHI UJAGAR KARTA HAI.

>

>

>

>

>

> US PAR TURRAH YE KI TUM YE BHI KEHTI HO KI TUMHE

> SIRF DO HI SAAL HUYE HAIN LAL KITAB PADHTE HUYE,

> BATEN MAGAR TUM AISI KARTI HO KI MANO LADY ROOP

> CHAND JOSHI HOVO. YA PUNDIT JI KA ISTRI AVTAR HOVO.

>

>

>

>

>

> IN BACHON NE AGAR APNI JEB SE PAISA KHARCHA KARKE

> SAMMELAN KARVA HI LIYA TO TUM LOGON KE PET ME DARD

> KYON HONE LAGA? KYA TUM KHUD ITNI HAISIYAT RAKHTI HO

> KI ITNA BADA SAMMELAN APNE DUM PAR KARVA SAKO? KYA

> TUM MEIN KOYI KABLIYAT HAI AISI? KAMI BESHI TO HAR

> KAAM ME RAH JAATI HAI JO IN SAB NE KABOOL BHI KAR

> LIYA HAI TO PHIR IS KE BAWJOOD BHI ITNI HAI TAUBA

> KYON? INKA HAUSLA BADHANE KI TAKAT AGAR TUMKO

> BHAGWAN NE NAHI DI TO KAM-SE-KAM INKE DIL KO CHOT TO

> MAT MARO.

>

>

LAL KITAB KE BARE MEIN TUMHARI JANKARI KA LEVEL

> TUMHARI FUKRANA BATON SE SAAF-2 JHALAK RAHA HAI.

> BINA GURU KE SHARAN MEIN JAYE IS PAVITTAR PAK VIDYA

> KO JO LOG MUNH MARTE HAIN VO HI AISI BEHOODA AUR

> VAHIYAAT BATEN KARTE HOTE HAIN. KAUN GURU HAI

> TUMHARA? MAIN US SE POOCHOONGA KI APNI CHELI KO YAHI

> AKAL DI HAI AP NE? YA KI PHIR TUMNE SIRAF BAJARI

> KITABEN HI PADHI HAIN? AGAR TUM NE PITRI RIN KE BARE

> MEIN LAL KITAB MEIN PADHA HOTA YA KISI KABIL GURU SE

> SIRAF SUNA HI HOTA TO TUM GURU NINDA JAISI BATON SE

> GUREJ KARTI.

>

>

MAIN TO HAIRAN IS BAAT PAR HOON KI UMESH KUMAR AUR

> YOGRAJ PARBHAKAR NE TUMHARI BAAT SUN KAR BHI ANSUNI

> KYON KAR DI. VARNA AGAR KOYI AUR HOTA YA MAIN HI

> HOTA TO AISI OOL-JALOOL BATON KA KARARA AUR MUNH TOD

> JAWAB DETA TA KI AAGE SE KISI KI HIMMAT NA PADTI

> AISI VAHIYAT AUR FALTOO LAFFAZI KARNE KI. TUMHARI

> KHUSH KISMATI HAI KI TUM AURAT HO JO SAB LOG TUMHARA

> LIHAZ KAR RAHE HAIN. KYON KI YE SAB LOGON NE YE

> VIDYA KISI NA KISI GURU KE CHARNO SE LAG KAR SIKHI

> HAI AUR AISI VAHIYAT BATEN SUN KAR UNKO NAZARANDAZ

> KARNA BHI UNKE GURU WALE HONE KA PUKHTA SABOOT HAI.

>

>

TUMHE YAAD HOGA KI MAINE KAFI DIN PEHLE PANCHOLI JI

> KE BARE ME BHI KAFI KADWE ALFAZ ISTEMAAL KIYE THE

> MAGAR US SHAKHAS NE MERI BATON KO GAUR SE ZAROOR

> SUNA HOGA AUR VAPIS KOYI LAFFAZI NAHIN KI, IS SE

> MALOOM HOTA HAI KI PACNCHOLI SAHIB BHI GURU WALE

> VIDWAN ADMI HAIN. " KYON KI ADHJAL GAGRI CHHALKAT

> JAYE - BHARI GAGARIYA CHUPKE JAYE " . MAIN UNKO

> SHABASHI DETA HOON.

>

>

>

>

>

> TUMHE KHAT LIKHNE KA BHI MERA YAHI MAKSAD HAI KI

> APNA BADAPPAN BATON SE NAHIN APNI KNOWLEDGE SE SABIT

> KARNE KI KOSHISH KARO AUR APNE SE BADON KI IZZAT AUR

> EHTRAM KARNE KI ADAT BANAYO AGAR LAL KITAB SE KUCH

> HASIL KARNE KI TAMANNA HAI TO, VARNA JAHAN PAR TUM

> AAJ HO 10-20 SAAL KE BAAD BHI APNE KO VAHIN KA VAHIN

> KHADA HUA PAYOGI AUR TAB TAK BAHUT DER HO CHUKI

> HOGI.

>

>

>

>

>

> EK BAAT KA YAKEEN MAIN TUMHE DILA DOON KI, JIN

> BANDRON

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