Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Respected Punit Ji, There is a perpetual tinge and howl a propos the seminar on 19th September 2004. There seems to be a premeditated effort to establish it as a wicked event, or as if some sort of vested interests of the organizers were implicated, or as some people were trying to "gain" something from this event. Yes, I was one of the members who were energetically involved in organizing the above said colloquium. What was immoral in doing that? I even contact you over the phone and explained my point well before the seminar. I also tried my level best to persuade you to attend, but you prefer not to consecrate us with your company in spite of your assurance given to me. Please don't forget that it was only your good self who signaled the "go ahead" to me for attending the seminar and making it successful. Your absence was indeed hurting in the seminar, and every affiliate there felt it deeply. Especially Sh. Umesh Ji, who mentioned your name more than once there. He also expressed his sorrow that the moderator of the group was not present at the occasion. The verbatim words he used there were: " Is group ke janak Shri Punit Pandey bhi agar yahan maujood hote to hamen aur bhi zyada khushi hoti, ve kisi karan vash aaj hamare saath nahin hain." Presence of name on each and every related banner and material, your name as group moderator on the participation certificate speaks clearly the integrity and honesty of Sh.Umesh Ji towards the group interests. Even today I don't think that we had committed any crime against the . What we have done was just for the betterment of the subject. The seminar was successful or not is a separate issue.I do admit that the whole process was not flawless. It could have been much better and more purposeful had it been well planned. I am fully agreed with some members that some more notable names of the subject should have been included. But why they did not raised this question before the seminar. Why they prefer to remain silent on this issue? Now,I would like to ask one question from every concerned member of the group that who's vested interests they are seeing? Who's veracity and candor is under question? Mr. Umesh Sharma's? Who spent a huge sum of money from his own pocket? Mr. Rajiv Khattar's? Who came by air from Chennai to attend the seminar?Mr. Kulbir Bains's? Who worked tirelessly for making this occasion successful?Mr. Vipin Shukla's? Who defied a poll duty and put his job in danger?Mr. Rakesh Sehgal's? Who is not even a professional astrologer? Mr. Parvez Hameed's? Who unselfishly worked with Umesh ji day and night?Last but not the least, Mine? Can anyone prove that ?. Who was benefited from this seminar? Umesh ji? Me? Vipin Shukla ji? Khattar Sahib? Kulbir ji? Parvez ji? Or Sehgal Sahib? No, none of them. It was the , the audience (a small one) and the subject of legendary Lal Kitab. In fact, this seminar was another feather in your cap. You should have patted the backs of each one involved. I also assure you that I will not be a party of such excurtion which is organised under the without having your prior consent. Regards, Yograj Prabhakar. vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Respected Prabhakar ji, It is unfortunate that the discussion taken such a turn. More than that, I myself am a part of such a controversy. My idea was not to blame the event (if you are pointing towards me) or the people behind the event rather the process with which the event was managed. I still think that that the process had too many ambiguities and could have been better managed. I just don't want to repeat our conversation and other things here to prove my point as it can tick one more controversy. My intention was to discuss the course that we were talking about. I believe that the online courses are much better than offline courses. Seminar was one event due to that this view become consolidated. For example in the seminar where there was so much energy, time and money (it would be great to disclose) was invested, there were only 4-5 beneficiaries (other than the expert members) of this group whereas there are around total of 500 members. If that much time and energy must be used in the online way, I believe that it must be proved more useful. I am looking forward that all people behind the idea of the course will think seriously in this direction. I personally know the people mentioned by you and know about their selfless services. I am sure that they don't need my certificate. The efforts by you, Khattar ji, Shukla ji, Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and all other are incredible and I myself learnt a lot from them. I never raised the question of vested interests. But again I want to emphasize that it was the process due to which I am so much concerned. I had written that if there are some commercial interests we can discuss it here; there is no harm in that. We have already discussed something similar i.e. paid consultancy. I believe that we should stop discussing the seminar from here onwards and think in more constructive way. Pardon me if I would have written something under the control of my ego and hurt someone. Regards, Punit Pandey On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > > > Respected Punit Ji, > > There is a perpetual tinge and howl a propos the seminar on 19th September > 2004. There seems to be a premeditated effort to establish it as a wicked > event, or as if some sort of vested interests of the organizers were > implicated, or as some people were trying to " gain " something from this > event. > > Yes, I was one of the members who were energetically involved in organizing > the above said colloquium. What was immoral in doing that? > > I even contact you over the phone and explained my point well before the > seminar. I also tried my level best to persuade you to attend, but you > prefer not to consecrate us with your company in spite of your assurance > given to me. Please don't forget that it was only your good self who > signaled the " go ahead " to me for attending the seminar and making it > successful. > > Your absence was indeed hurting in the seminar, and every affiliate there > felt it deeply. Especially Sh. Umesh Ji, who mentioned your name more than > once there. He also expressed his sorrow that the moderator of the group was > not present at the occasion. The verbatim words he used there were: > > > " Is group ke janak Shri Punit Pandey bhi agar yahan maujood hote to hamen > aur bhi zyada khushi hoti, ve kisi karan vash aaj hamare saath nahin hain. " > > Presence of name on each and every related banner and material, > your name as group moderator on the participation certificate speaks clearly > the integrity and honesty of Sh.Umesh Ji towards the group interests. > > Even today I don't think that we had committed any crime against the > group. What we have done was just for the betterment of the subject. > > The seminar was successful or not is a separate issue.I do admit that the > whole process was not flawless. It could have been much better and more > purposeful had it been well planned. > > I am fully agreed with some members that some more notable names of the > subject should have been included. But why they did not raised this question > before the seminar. Why they prefer to remain silent on this issue? > > Now,I would like to ask one question from every concerned member of the > group that who's vested interests they are seeing? Who's veracity and candor > is under question? > > Mr. Umesh Sharma's? Who spent a huge sum of money from his own pocket? > Mr. Rajiv Khattar's? Who came by air from Chennai to attend the seminar? > Mr. Kulbir Bains's? Who worked tirelessly for making this occasion > successful? > Mr. Vipin Shukla's? Who defied a poll duty and put his job in danger? > Mr. Rakesh Sehgal's? Who is not even a professional astrologer? > Mr. Parvez Hameed's? Who unselfishly worked with Umesh ji day and night? > Last but not the least, Mine? Can anyone prove that ?. > > Who was benefited from this seminar? Umesh ji? Me? Vipin Shukla ji? Khattar > Sahib? Kulbir ji? Parvez ji? Or Sehgal Sahib? No, none of them. It was the > , the audience (a small one) and the subject of legendary Lal > Kitab. > > In fact, this seminar was another feather in your cap. You should have > patted the backs of each one involved. I also assure you that I will not be > a party of such excurtion which is organised under the without > having your prior consent. > > Regards, > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Punit Everyone is aware of your restrained utterances and balanced approach to things. Given that, it was indeed surprising that you should have said some people benefitted. However as you suggest this controversy is best put behind us. I will submit to you that it will benefit all of us if the course being talked about, is conducted with the active particiaption of all the luminaries of this group including you. Now there may be differences of opinion as to the online vs ofline & online combo modules. So if you and the rest of the experts agree maybe an initial test run can show which is the preferred route to be adopted in the future? That way we can all know we gave both alternatives a fair shot and then settle for the best. QED as they say? Regards R S lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Respected Prabhakar ji, > > It is unfortunate that the discussion taken such a turn. More than > that, I myself am a part of such a controversy. My idea was not to > blame the event (if you are pointing towards me) or the people behind > the event rather the process with which the event was managed. I still > think that that the process had too many ambiguities and could have > been better managed. I just don't want to repeat our conversation and > other things here to prove my point as it can tick one more > controversy. > > My intention was to discuss the course that we were talking about. I > believe that the online courses are much better than offline courses. > Seminar was one event due to that this view become consolidated. For > example in the seminar where there was so much energy, time and money > (it would be great to disclose) was invested, there were only 4-5 > beneficiaries (other than the expert members) of this group whereas > there are around total of 500 members. If that much time and energy > must be used in the online way, I believe that it must be proved more > useful. I am looking forward that all people behind the idea of the > course will think seriously in this direction. > > I personally know the people mentioned by you and know about their > selfless services. I am sure that they don't need my certificate. The > efforts by you, Khattar ji, Shukla ji, Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and all > other are incredible and I myself learnt a lot from them. I never > raised the question of vested interests. But again I want to emphasize > that it was the process due to which I am so much concerned. I had > written that if there are some commercial interests we can discuss it > here; there is no harm in that. We have already discussed something > similar i.e. paid consultancy. > > I believe that we should stop discussing the seminar from here onwards > and think in more constructive way. Pardon me if I would have written > something under the control of my ego and hurt someone. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Punit Ji, > > > > There is a perpetual tinge and howl a propos the seminar on 19th September > > 2004. There seems to be a premeditated effort to establish it as a wicked > > event, or as if some sort of vested interests of the organizers were > > implicated, or as some people were trying to " gain " something from this > > event. > > > > Yes, I was one of the members who were energetically involved in organizing > > the above said colloquium. What was immoral in doing that? > > > > I even contact you over the phone and explained my point well before the > > seminar. I also tried my level best to persuade you to attend, but you > > prefer not to consecrate us with your company in spite of your assurance > > given to me. Please don't forget that it was only your good self who > > signaled the " go ahead " to me for attending the seminar and making it > > successful. > > > > Your absence was indeed hurting in the seminar, and every affiliate there > > felt it deeply. Especially Sh. Umesh Ji, who mentioned your name more than > > once there. He also expressed his sorrow that the moderator of the group was > > not present at the occasion. The verbatim words he used there were: > > > > > > " Is group ke janak Shri Punit Pandey bhi agar yahan maujood hote to hamen > > aur bhi zyada khushi hoti, ve kisi karan vash aaj hamare saath nahin hain. " > > > > Presence of name on each and every related banner and material, > > your name as group moderator on the participation certificate speaks clearly > > the integrity and honesty of Sh.Umesh Ji towards the group interests. > > > > Even today I don't think that we had committed any crime against the > > group. What we have done was just for the betterment of the subject. > > > > The seminar was successful or not is a separate issue.I do admit that the > > whole process was not flawless. It could have been much better and more > > purposeful had it been well planned. > > > > I am fully agreed with some members that some more notable names of the > > subject should have been included. But why they did not raised this question > > before the seminar. Why they prefer to remain silent on this issue? > > > > Now,I would like to ask one question from every concerned member of the > > group that who's vested interests they are seeing? Who's veracity and candor > > is under question? > > > > Mr. Umesh Sharma's? Who spent a huge sum of money from his own pocket? > > Mr. Rajiv Khattar's? Who came by air from Chennai to attend the seminar? > > Mr. Kulbir Bains's? Who worked tirelessly for making this occasion > > successful? > > Mr. Vipin Shukla's? Who defied a poll duty and put his job in danger? > > Mr. Rakesh Sehgal's? Who is not even a professional astrologer? > > Mr. Parvez Hameed's? Who unselfishly worked with Umesh ji day and night? > > Last but not the least, Mine? Can anyone prove that ?. > > > > Who was benefited from this seminar? Umesh ji? Me? Vipin Shukla ji? Khattar > > Sahib? Kulbir ji? Parvez ji? Or Sehgal Sahib? No, none of them. It was the > > , the audience (a small one) and the subject of legendary Lal > > Kitab. > > > > In fact, this seminar was another feather in your cap. You should have > > patted the backs of each one involved. I also assure you that I will not be > > a party of such excurtion which is organised under the without > > having your prior consent. > > > > Regards, > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yograj bhai, Very well said. But one error. You mention “Mr. Parvez Hameed's? Who unselfishly worked with Umesh ji day and night?” Truth is that I did not do anything. I did not know Umeshji before the seminar or any one else except for having telephone conversations with you. Only after I attended the seminar, I realized what noble deed is being done by astrologers who can be always accused of having vested interests. I had no role to play in the organisation of seminar … hence no credit to me. But thank you, Yograj bhai for clearing up the matter. I hope, others, too will respond and clear this muddle. bye Sheikh Pervez Hameed Yograj Prabhakar [yr_prabhakar] 14 October 2004 18:32 lalkitab [lalkitab] Respected Punit Ji Respected Punit Ji, There is a perpetual tinge and howl a propos the seminar on 19th September 2004. There seems to be a premeditated effort to establish it as a wicked event, or as if some sort of vested interests of the organizers were implicated, or as some people were trying to " gain " something from this event. Yes, I was one of the members who were energetically involved in organizing the above said colloquium. What was immoral in doing that? I even contact you over the phone and explained my point well before the seminar. I also tried my level best to persuade you to attend, but you prefer not to consecrate us with your company in spite of your assurance given to me. Please don't forget that it was only your good self who signaled the " go ahead " to me for attending the seminar and making it successful. Your absence was indeed hurting in the seminar, and every affiliate there felt it deeply. Especially Sh. Umesh Ji, who mentioned your name more than once there. He also expressed his sorrow that the moderator of the group was not present at the occasion. The verbatim words he used there were: " Is group ke janak Shri Punit Pandey bhi agar yahan maujood hote to hamen aur bhi zyada khushi hoti, ve kisi karan vash aaj hamare saath nahin hain. " Presence of name on each and every related banner and material, your name as group moderator on the participation certificate speaks clearly the integrity and honesty of Sh.Umesh Ji towards the group interests. Even today I don't think that we had committed any crime against the . What we have done was just for the betterment of the subject. The seminar was successful or not is a separate issue.I do admit that the whole process was not flawless. It could have been much better and more purposeful had it been well planned. I am fully agreed with some members that some more notable names of the subject should have been included. But why they did not raised this question before the seminar. Why they prefer to remain silent on this issue? Now,I would like to ask one question from every concerned member of the group that who's vested interests they are seeing? Who's veracity and candor is under question? Mr. Umesh Sharma's? Who spent a huge sum of money from his own pocket? Mr. Rajiv Khattar's? Who came by air from Chennai to attend the seminar? Mr. Kulbir Bains's? Who worked tirelessly for making this occasion successful? Mr. Vipin Shukla's? Who defied a poll duty and put his job in danger? Mr. Rakesh Sehgal's? Who is not even a professional astrologer? Mr. Parvez Hameed's? Who unselfishly worked with Umesh ji day and night? Last but not the least, Mine? Can anyone prove that ?. Who was benefited from this seminar? Umesh ji? Me? Vipin Shukla ji? Khattar Sahib? Kulbir ji? Parvez ji? Or Sehgal Sahib? No, none of them. It was the , the audience (a small one) and the subject of legendary Lal Kitab. In fact, this seminar was another feather in your cap. You should have patted the backs of each one involved. I also assure you that I will not be a party of such excurtion which is organised under the without having your prior consent. Regards, Yograj Prabhakar. vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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