Seminar - Only few beneficiaries - for rest ... no gain?

[Guest guest]

Dear members,

 

I attended the seminar. For me it was a

total gain and a roaring success. The invitation was there on the forum for

everybody. Yet only few chose to come. The arrangements were fine and were for

a larger number of persons. Personally, I was impressed that few forum members

took the initiative and organized such an event.

 

Hats off to all of

them.

 

But with the current mails circulating, I

am apprehensive that lack of communication amongst the forum members may create

hardened positions and invisible barriers. This will be injustice to Lal Kitab. I fear that we may get

lost in the sea of points and counter points … and forget the larger

picture that … all the experts … inspite

of their commercial interests … are willing to go the way of teaching …

let us make it easy for them and for ourselves as well.

 

Lal Kitab experts, …

who have good knowledge … are very few … and most of them are on

this forum and their common knowledge can be the pool of collective knowledge.

 

Let us evolve a method … whereby …

we all can get together, pool our resources … and do justice to Lal Kitab’s dissemination.

 

Seminar was recorded and the cd’s are available with Umeshji. My impression is that perhaps he is hesitant to

offer the cd’s on this forum as he is probably

fears that offering cd against a price will be construed

as ‘commercial’. But there is a cost to cd

and lovers of Lal Kitab who

could not attend the seminar should be willing to pay for this effort …

if they are allowed.

 

Seminar, … to me … only emphasized the importance of personal

interaction. Online, correspondence is fine but face to face cannot be put on

shelves. You cannot simply put that kind of living experience on paper and post

it on forum. Written Lanugage is inadequate for it.

 

People outside Delhi are at disadvantage yet because of this

the personal interaction cannot rather should not be

ruled out. One way out is that students can be given access to the teachers

home when ever they visit the teacher city e.g. Patiala, Ambala, Chandigarh or Delhi.

 

 

 

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey

[punitp]

13 October 2004 21:27

lalkitab

Re: [lalkitab] Re: Lal

Kitab Course;clash of intersts-- punit

 

 

Rakesh ji,

 

I have not charged anyone for getting benefited. I

was talking that

the whole group is not getting benefited from the

last event and I'll

not allow any such activity in future unless and

until I'll be very

sure about the whole process. I have already told

that I have no

objection over online course that can benefit all

and I want to

promote knowledge sharing with all members and not

with limited ones.

Also the names you have mentioned probably

understand my stand better

and if those do have some confusion, I am ready to

answer their

queries.

 

I don't remember who used these phrases

" vested interest " and

" commercial interest " first but if there

are any commercial interests,

we can discuss it here. Those must not be kept

hidden. I also

understand that it takes a lot of money, time and

energy to create

such courses (in fact, we ourselves done it in the

past on vedic

astrolgoy).

 

Please let me know where I have made any

allegations. It can just be

due to sheer miscommunication but I have no such

intentions. But it is

clear that the last event was not up to my

satisfaction and I'll try

to pull my leg out (personal and group level)

before involving in any

such events in future.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:10:14 -0000, rakeshsahgal

<rakeshsahgal wrote:

>

>

> Punit

>

> You made the charge of a few benefitting from

the seminar in a public

> fora. Name them and substantiate your charge.

>

> The Lal Kitabists of repute associated with

the seminar were:-

>

> 1. Rajeev Khattar

> 2. Vipin Shukla

> 3. Umesh Sharma

> 4. Yograj Prabhakar

> 5. Laxmi Vashsisht

>

> Which of these gentlemen derived a benefit

and how? Lets not make

> unsubstantiated allegations.

>

> In any case your forum and you are ofcourse

the best judge of the

> direction you want to give it. I am through

with this discussion.

>

>

> Regards

>

> R S

>

> lalkitab ,

Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > Kulbir ji/ Rakesh ji,

> >

> > Beyond ego, vested interests &

commercial interests, my questions

> > remained unanswered. I had raised few

questions in my last mail and

> I

> > believe that those must be answered. For

example what happened to

> the

> > claim that the group will be informed

with all activities. It is

> > nearly one month after seminar but what

information has made

> available

> > here? It happened before and after the

seminar. There are many

> things

> > that even I was not knowing and people

were thinking that I am

> behind

> > all those activities. I have already

discussed it with Prabhakar ji

> > and Umesh ji and informed them about my

disappointment. I am not

> able

> > to understand whose vested interests are

there and what is the

> reason

> > behind it. If someone has commercial

objectives, why don't put on

> > board and discuss?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:51 -0000,

rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Kulbir

> > >

> > > We must not be ungrateful and do

anything that harms the

> commerical

> > > interests of our friend Punit.

> > >

> > > This group has come into existence

because of him and his

> efforts. The

> > > group members got to know each

other because of his efforts in

> > > creating and promoting the group. I

for one became familiar with

> Lal

> > > Kitab because of this group, so I

atleast am indebted to Punit. If

> > > this course or any such exercises

are detrimental to the

> interests of

> > > our friend and host, it is only

fair that such exercises be

> conducted

> > > elsewhere.

> > >

> > > This is just my opinion and I hope

things will not come to such a

> > > pass.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > R S

> > >

> > > lalkitab ,

" Kulbir Singh Bains "

> > >

> > >

> > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > punit ji,

> > > > we didn't know that u also are

working on a magazine on

> lalkitab.

> > > But

> > > > now as we do we drop this

idea.rest assured there will be no

> clash

> > > of

> > > > interests. regarding the course

all members of the faculty will

> > > most

> > > > probably from this group only;

> > > > yorgaj prabhakar, umesh

sharma, rajiv k khattar, vipin shukla,

> > > sheikh

> > > > hameed pervez, rakesh sahgal,

Dr. gopal krishan sharma have so

> far

> > > > offered their services there

may be others also but these names

> are

> > > in

> > > > my knowledge.

> > > > as you know almost all the

members; experts or novices are

> > > interested

> > > > in a formal course. if u have

any idea in ur

mind about this

> also

> > > kindly

> > > > let the group know about it.

> > > > kulbir singh bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

lalkitab , Punit

Pandey <punitp@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Seminar was

disappointment for me. We have invested too much

> time

> > > > and

> > > > > energy on seminar. At the

end, the group received nothing in

> > > return.

> > > > > So this time I am going

to pay attention to every group

> related

> > > > > activity very closely and

only then I'll allow the usage of

> the

> > > forum.

> > > > > Right now it is not a

forum-supported activity like seminar so

> > > forum

> > > > > should not be used for

any promotional purpose till the time

> it

> > > gets

> > > > > supported.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please clarify that who

all are behind the idea of this

> course and

> > > > > what is the benefit of

the forum. Only after answering these

> > > > > questions, we should

think about using the forum any further.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are also working on

one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can

> > > result in

> > > > > clash of interest in

future. I want to avoid it as much as

> > > possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004

22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

> > > > > <ceetabains>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit ji, your

concerns are not unfounded. But on line

> course

> > > also

> > > > has some

> > > > > > limitations. I am sending

the proposals agreed upon till

> date.

> > > rest

> > > > assured

> > > > > > any activity in this

regard will be started with your

> exclusive

> > > consent.

> > > > > > After all its by ur efforts that we have

achieved so much.

> > > > > > First of all there

is a practical problem; although the

> experts

> > > are

> > > > > > presently saying

that they are ready to undertake the

> teaching

> > > on

> > > > > > humanitarian grounds

only but its my observation that if it

> > > doesn't

> > > > even

> > > > > > compensates there

expenses alone, the enthusiasm will

> whither

> > > > away in no

> > > > > > time. On the other

hand if the cost/fee is such that it

> stinks

> > > of profit

> > > > > > making the students

will not take it as seriously or

> sacredly

> > > as we

> > > > suppose

> > > > > > them to take it and

the very puose will be lost.

> > > > > > Secondly the experts

are also highly sought after and the

> > > people

> > > > and some

> > > > > > institutions are

also after them to start teaching this

> system.

> > > > > > In the forum or on

the net we can have at the most 20-30

> > > students,

> > > > but

> > > > > > outside the net we

have already received offer from 200

> > > students

> > > > apart from

> > > > > > the instituttions.

Wider number of students makes the cost

> on

> > > > indiuidual

> > > > > > student virtually

negligble. This way the teacher is

> > > compensated

> > > > without any

> > > > > > burden on the

students. It's correct that the members of

> this

> > > forum

> > > > are

> > > > > > affulent and can pay

high fees also but why should we ignore

> > > those

> > > > who have

> > > > > > the interest but

cannot afford.

> > > > > > As a way out the

proposal is a correspondence course with

> > > > minimum cost. The

> > > > > > notes will be send

to the students by post on monthly or

> > > fortnightly

> > > > baiss

> > > > > > they can send back

their querries and so on interactive

> session

> > > will

> > > > begin.

> > > > > > The course material

will include books free. A magazine will

> > > also be

> > > > started

> > > > > > soon on quarterly

basis having articles of high academic

> value

> > > and

> > > > research.

> > > > > > The stress on this

correspondence course will be on

> practical

> > > > problems that

> > > > > > too on kundalis of

the students alone.

> > > > > > The forum members

will have the added advantage of being in

> > > > touch with the

> > > > > > teachers on regular

baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet

> > > the

> > > > students in

> > > > > > different cities on

rotational basis. There is no need for

> > > students to

> > > > come

> > > > > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may

be selected

> > > which

> > > > surrounds

> > > > > > small towns

etc. and the teachers will meet them there as

> per

> > > there

> > > > > > convenience.

> > > > > > The essential part

is to get this book to maximum students

> in

> > > such a

> > > > way

> > > > > > that the

students are offered teaching at minimum cost but

> not

> > > at

> > > > the cost

> > > > > > of the teachers.

They have to be compensated in order to

> keep

> > > > there

> > > > > > enthusiasm alive.

> > > > > > these are mere

proposals any final decision will be taken

> after

> > > the

> > > > forum's

> > > > > > go ahead. Kindly

send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir Singh Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit

Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > Rakesh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have suspicion

about the utility of face-to-face courses.

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > seen that even the

last physical event i.e. seminar has not

> > > proved

> > > > > > much useful for

group members and only a few members get

> > > > benefited. We

> > > > > > talked about various

things like videotapes, discussion

> > > material,

> > > > > > articles, pictures

etc. that will be available to all. But

> as

> > > we all

> > > > > > know it is always

difficult to bring offline information to

> > > online.

> > > > > > This forum should

not be used for any such activities that

> are

> > > going

> > > > > > to benefit only

limited number of people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004

17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal

> > > > <rakeshsahgal>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Punit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Online courses

for sure help in bridging the geographical

> > > divide

> > > > and

> > > > > > > are in my

opinion the preferred option.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However this

direction is by no means exclusionary(correct

> > > > word?).

> > > > > > > Face to face

interfaces wherever possible can greatly

> enhance

> > > the

> > > > > > > value of online

courses. There is however the question of

> > > > increased

> > > > > > > logistic

requirement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The best judges

of the direction are in anycase the people

> > > who

> > > > will be

> > > > > > > conducting the

courses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We have to hear

from the few experts there are on the

> forum

> > > > about

> > > > > > > their views. I

hope they will find fit to share their

> > > thoughts and

> > > > > > > opinions soon

enough, as every one is very excited about

> this

> > > > > > > initiative.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > R S

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey

> <punitp@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello

Friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Recently a

discussion is started to have a course to

> help

> > > > learning

> > > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > Kitab. It

seems a great idea to have course on Lal

> Kitab.

> > > In my

> > > > > > > > opinion we

must think in the direction of online courses

> > > only.

> > > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > here are

from different locations and having different

> > > > availability.

> > > > > > > > So

thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea

> to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another

point is any offline event seems not in sync

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > > > objective

of the group. I welcome all ideas that can

> > > supplement

> > > > > > > > learning

process of this forum but I am against the

> idea of

> > > > anything

> > > > > > > > that

cannot benefit all members of the forum and is

> > > restricted to

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > few

members.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Punit

Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I am new to the forum , but I welcome this suggestion. I hope others

agree.

 

Ritu

 

 

 

lalkitab , " Sheikh Pervez Hameed " <pervez@s...>

wrote:

> Dear members,

>

> I attended the seminar. For me it was a total gain and a roaring

success.

> The invitation was there on the forum for everybody. Yet only few

chose to

> come. The arrangements were fine and were for a larger number of

persons.

> Personally, I was impressed that few forum members took the

initiative and

> organized such an event.

>

> Hats off to all of them.

>

> But with the current mails circulating, I am apprehensive that lack

of

> communication amongst the forum members may create hardened

positions and

> invisible barriers. This will be injustice to Lal Kitab. I fear

that we may

> get lost in the sea of points and counter points . and forget the

larger

> picture that . all the experts . inspite of their commercial

interests . are

> willing to go the way of teaching . let us make it easy for them

and for

> ourselves as well.

>

> Lal Kitab experts, . who have good knowledge . are very few . and

most of

> them are on this forum and their common knowledge can be the pool of

> collective knowledge.

>

> Let us evolve a method . whereby . we all can get together, pool our

> resources . and do justice to Lal Kitab's dissemination.

>

> Seminar was recorded and the cd's are available with Umeshji. My

impression

> is that perhaps he is hesitant to offer the cd's on this forum as

he is

> probably fears that offering cd against a price will be construed as

> 'commercial'. But there is a cost to cd and lovers of Lal Kitab who

could

> not attend the seminar should be willing to pay for this effort .

if they

> are allowed.

>

> Seminar, . to me . only emphasized the importance of personal

interaction.

> Online, correspondence is fine but face to face cannot be put on

shelves.

> You cannot simply put that kind of living experience on paper and

post it on

> forum. Written Lanugage is inadequate for it.

>

> People outside Delhi are at disadvantage yet because of this the

personal

> interaction cannot rather should not be ruled out. One way out is

that

> students can be given access to the teachers home when ever they

visit the

> teacher city e.g. Patiala, Ambala, Chandigarh or Delhi.

>

>

> bye

> Sheikh Pervez Hameed

>

>

> _____

>

> Punit Pandey [punitp@g...]

> 13 October 2004 21:27

> lalkitab

> Re: [lalkitab] Re: Lal Kitab Course;clash of intersts--

punit

>

> Rakesh ji,

>

> I have not charged anyone for getting benefited. I was talking that

> the whole group is not getting benefited from the last event and

I'll

> not allow any such activity in future unless and until I'll be very

> sure about the whole process. I have already told that I have no

> objection over online course that can benefit all and I want to

> promote knowledge sharing with all members and not with limited

ones.

> Also the names you have mentioned probably understand my stand

better

> and if those do have some confusion, I am ready to answer their

> queries.

>

> I don't remember who used these phrases " vested interest " and

> " commercial interest " first but if there are any commercial

interests,

> we can discuss it here. Those must not be kept hidden. I also

> understand that it takes a lot of money, time and energy to create

> such courses (in fact, we ourselves done it in the past on vedic

> astrolgoy).

>

> Please let me know where I have made any allegations. It can just be

> due to sheer miscommunication but I have no such intentions. But it

is

> clear that the last event was not up to my satisfaction and I'll try

> to pull my leg out (personal and group level) before involving in

any

> such events in future.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:10:14 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Punit

> >

> > You made the charge of a few benefitting from the seminar in a

public

> > fora. Name them and substantiate your charge.

> >

> > The Lal Kitabists of repute associated with the seminar were:-

> >

> > 1. Rajeev Khattar

> > 2. Vipin Shukla

> > 3. Umesh Sharma

> > 4. Yograj Prabhakar

> > 5. Laxmi Vashsisht

> >

> > Which of these gentlemen derived a benefit and how? Lets not make

> > unsubstantiated allegations.

> >

> > In any case your forum and you are ofcourse the best judge of the

> > direction you want to give it. I am through with this discussion.

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > R S

> >

> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > Kulbir ji/ Rakesh ji,

> > >

> > > Beyond ego, vested interests & commercial interests, my

questions

> > > remained unanswered. I had raised few questions in my last mail

and

> > I

> > > believe that those must be answered. For example what happened

to

> > the

> > > claim that the group will be informed with all activities. It is

> > > nearly one month after seminar but what information has made

> > available

> > > here? It happened before and after the seminar. There are many

> > things

> > > that even I was not knowing and people were thinking that I am

> > behind

> > > all those activities. I have already discussed it with

Prabhakar ji

> > > and Umesh ji and informed them about my disappointment. I am not

> > able

> > > to understand whose vested interests are there and what is the

> > reason

> > > behind it. If someone has commercial objectives, why don't put

on

> > > board and discuss?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:51 -0000, rakeshsahgal

<rakeshsahgal>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir

> > > >

> > > > We must not be ungrateful and do anything that harms the

> > commerical

> > > > interests of our friend Punit.

> > > >

> > > > This group has come into existence because of him and his

> > efforts. The

> > > > group members got to know each other because of his efforts in

> > > > creating and promoting the group. I for one became familiar

with

> > Lal

> > > > Kitab because of this group, so I atleast am indebted to

Punit. If

> > > > this course or any such exercises are detrimental to the

> > interests of

> > > > our friend and host, it is only fair that such exercises be

> > conducted

> > > > elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > This is just my opinion and I hope things will not come to

such a

> > > > pass.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > R S

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > punit ji,

> > > > > we didn't know that u also are working on a magazine on

> > lalkitab.

> > > > But

> > > > > now as we do we drop this idea.rest assured there will be no

> > clash

> > > > of

> > > > > interests. regarding the course all members of the faculty

will

> > > > most

> > > > > probably from this group only;

> > > > > yorgaj prabhakar, umesh sharma, rajiv k khattar, vipin

shukla,

> > > > sheikh

> > > > > hameed pervez, rakesh sahgal, Dr. gopal krishan sharma have

so

> > far

> > > > > offered their services there may be others also but these

names

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > my knowledge.

> > > > > as you know almost all the members; experts or novices are

> > > > interested

> > > > > in a formal course. if u have any idea in ur mind about this

> > also

> > > > kindly

> > > > > let the group know about it.

> > > > > kulbir singh bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey

<punitp@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too

much

> > time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing

in

> > > > return.

> > > > > > So this time I am going to pay attention to every group

> > related

> > > > > > activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage

of

> > the

> > > > forum.

> > > > > > Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like

seminar so

> > > > forum

> > > > > > should not be used for any promotional purpose till the

time

> > it

> > > > gets

> > > > > > supported.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this

> > course and

> > > > > > what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering

these

> > > > > > questions, we should think about using the forum any

further.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it

can

> > > > result in

> > > > > > clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as

> > > > possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

> > > > > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line

> > course

> > > > also

> > > > > has some

> > > > > > > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till

> > date.

> > > > rest

> > > > > assured

> > > > > > > any activity in this regard will be started with your

> > exclusive

> > > > consent.

> > > > > > > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so

much.

> > > > > > > First of all there is a practical problem; although the

> > experts

> > > > are

> > > > > > > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the

> > teaching

> > > > on

> > > > > > > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that

if it

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will

> > whither

> > > > > away in no

> > > > > > > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it

> > stinks

> > > > of profit

> > > > > > > making the students will not take it as seriously or

> > sacredly

> > > > as we

> > > > > suppose

> > > > > > > them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

> > > > > > > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and

the

> > > > people

> > > > > and some

> > > > > > > institutions are also after them to start teaching this

> > system.

> > > > > > > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30

> > > > students,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > outside the net we have already received offer from 200

> > > > students

> > > > > apart from

> > > > > > > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the

cost

> > on

> > > > > indiuidual

> > > > > > > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is

> > > > compensated

> > > > > without any

> > > > > > > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of

> > this

> > > > forum

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we

ignore

> > > > those

> > > > > who have

> > > > > > > the interest but cannot afford.

> > > > > > > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course

with

> > > > > minimum cost. The

> > > > > > > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or

> > > > fortnightly

> > > > > baiss

> > > > > > > they can send back their querries and so on interactive

> > session

> > > > will

> > > > > begin.

> > > > > > > The course material will include books free. A magazine

will

> > > > also be

> > > > > started

> > > > > > > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic

> > value

> > > > and

> > > > > research.

> > > > > > > The stress on this correspondence course will be on

> > practical

> > > > > problems that

> > > > > > > too on kundalis of the students alone.

> > > > > > > The forum members will have the added advantage of

being in

> > > > > touch with the

> > > > > > > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will

meet

> > > > the

> > > > > students in

> > > > > > > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need

for

> > > > students to

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be

selected

> > > > which

> > > > > surrounds

> > > > > > > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there

as

> > per

> > > > there

> > > > > > > convenience.

> > > > > > > The essential part is to get this book to maximum

students

> > in

> > > > such a

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost

but

> > not

> > > > at

> > > > > the cost

> > > > > > > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to

> > keep

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > enthusiasm alive.

> > > > > > > these are mere proposals any final decision will be

taken

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > forum's

> > > > > > > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if

any.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Singh Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face

courses.

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has

not

> > > > proved

> > > > > > > much useful for group members and only a few members get

> > > > > benefited. We

> > > > > > > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion

> > > > material,

> > > > > > > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all.

But

> > as

> > > > we all

> > > > > > > know it is always difficult to bring offline

information to

> > > > online.

> > > > > > > This forum should not be used for any such activities

that

> > are

> > > > going

> > > > > > > to benefit only limited number of people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal

> > > > > <rakeshsahgal>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Punit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the

geographical

> > > > divide

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > are in my opinion the preferred option.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary

(correct

> > > > > word?).

> > > > > > > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly

> > enhance

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > value of online courses. There is however the

question of

> > > > > increased

> > > > > > > > logistic requirement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the

people

> > > > who

> > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > conducting the courses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the

> > forum

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their

> > > > thoughts and

> > > > > > > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited

about

> > this

> > > > > > > > initiative.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > R S

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey

> > <punitp@g...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello Friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to

> > help

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal

> > Kitab.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online

courses

> > > > only.

> > > > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > here are from different locations and having

different

> > > > > availability.

> > > > > > > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good

idea

> > to me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can

> > > > supplement

> > > > > > > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the

> > idea of

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is

> > > > restricted to

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > few members.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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