Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent. After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose them to take it and the very puose will be lost. Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have the interest but cannot afford. As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin. The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research. The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that too on kundalis of the students alone. The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there convenience. The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there enthusiasm alive. these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. Kulbir Singh Bains. Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Rakesh ji,I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I haveseen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not provedmuch useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. Wetalked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we allknow it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.This forum should not be used for any such activities that are goingto benefit only limited number of people.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote:> > > Hi Punit> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and> are in my opinion the preferred option.> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).> Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the> value of online courses. There is however the question of increased> logistic requirement.> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be> conducting the courses.> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about> their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and> opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this> initiative.> > Regards> > R S> > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Hello Friends,> >> > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning> Lal> > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my> > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.> People> > here are from different locations and having different availability.> > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.> >> > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the> > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement> > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything> > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to> only> > few members.> >> > Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> > > vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Kulbir ji, Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return. So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum. Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets supported. Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these questions, we should think about using the forum any further. We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible. Regards, Punit Pandey On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured > any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent. > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. > First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose > them to take it and the very puose will be lost. > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some > institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but > outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have > the interest but cannot afford. > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss > they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin. > The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research. > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that > too on kundalis of the students alone. > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there > convenience. > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there > enthusiasm alive. > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. > > Kulbir Singh Bains. > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Rakesh ji, > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved > much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material, > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online. > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going > to benefit only limited number of people. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Punit > > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and > > are in my opinion the preferred option. > > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?). > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the > > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased > > logistic requirement. > > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be > > conducting the courses. > > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this > > initiative. > > > > Regards > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning > > Lal > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only. > > People > > > here are from different locations and having different availability. > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me. > > > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to > > only > > > few members. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hi Punit, Pity you should find the existence of " VESTED INTERESTS " which actually benefitted from an exercise which I found to be a creditable effort by all the learned members of this group. I speak for myself - had it not been for this exercise I wouldnt have had the privelege of meeting personages such as Prabhakr ji, Shukla Ji and Khattar ji. The depth of their knowledge, their ability to respond spontaeneously to people, in the section concerning the exercise on " asaan durusti " was an eye opener for me atleast. I hope there are others who will share my view on the subject. Given that you are the host and owner of this forum I would not like to overstay my welcome here and abuse the hospitality that you are kind enough to extend to the members of this group, by getting into an arguement of who benefitted and who did not from the seminar. All I will submit is quite a few people got to witness the magic of the Lal Kitab and it was a significant first step, I repeat " FIRST STEP " in the direction of enhancing accessability of the knowledge that is enshrined in this book. But then as they say one whats good for the goose may not be so for the gander or something to that effect(if i haven't fouled up the saying, that is). Respectfully R S lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Kulbir ji, > > Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and > energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return. > So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related > activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum. > Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum > should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets > supported. > > Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and > what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these > questions, we should think about using the forum any further. > > We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in > clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some > > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured > > any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent. > > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. > > First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are > > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on > > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even > > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no > > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit > > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose > > them to take it and the very puose will be lost. > > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some > > institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. > > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but > > outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from > > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual > > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any > > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are > > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have > > the interest but cannot afford. > > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The > > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss > > they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin. > > The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started > > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research. > > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that > > too on kundalis of the students alone. > > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the > > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in > > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds > > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there > > convenience. > > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way > > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost > > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there > > enthusiasm alive. > > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's > > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. > > > > Kulbir Singh Bains. > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Rakesh ji, > > > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have > > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved > > much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We > > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material, > > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all > > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online. > > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going > > to benefit only limited number of people. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Punit > > > > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and > > > are in my opinion the preferred option. > > > > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?). > > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the > > > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased > > > logistic requirement. > > > > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be > > > conducting the courses. > > > > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about > > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and > > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this > > > initiative. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning > > > Lal > > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my > > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only. > > > People > > > > here are from different locations and having different availability. > > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me. > > > > > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the > > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement > > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything > > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to > > > only > > > > few members. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Rakesh ji, I respect your opinion. But you are not the only person from where I am receiving opinion. I personally admire the efforts by the people as mentioned by you. In fact, if you remember I was one of the frontrunner for seminar. I have analyzed the last event and received various opinions before concluding anything. I just want to get it discussed thoroughly before moving ahead in the direction. I am not very sure that why the same thing i.e. Teva ki Drishti cannot be discussed here? In fact, we have discussed various complex topics here. Why we need some platform that is not accessible to all? Bhatia ji has added his article in the file section of the group and accessible to all but why it is not true about everything discussed at seminar? In my opinion it is not easy to merge online and offline activities and it can result is various small groups. I have my suspicions and my intention is to get those solved before moving ahead. There is no question of objection on your opinion. In fact, I have written the mail to get opinions. You are true while quoting your idiom and as you said, I have to consider the interest of all people here and the group. Regards, Punit Pandey On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:14:08 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: > > > Hi Punit, > > Pity you should find the existence of " VESTED INTERESTS " which > actually benefitted from an exercise which I found to be a creditable > effort by all the learned members of this group. > > I speak for myself - had it not been for this exercise I wouldnt have > had the privelege of meeting personages such as Prabhakr ji, Shukla Ji > and Khattar ji. The depth of their knowledge, their ability to respond > spontaeneously to people, in the section concerning the exercise on > " asaan durusti " was an eye opener for me atleast. I hope there are > others who will share my view on the subject. > > Given that you are the host and owner of this forum I would not like > to overstay my welcome here and abuse the hospitality that you are > kind enough to extend to the members of this group, by getting into an > arguement of who benefitted and who did not from the seminar. > > All I will submit is quite a few people got to witness the magic of > the Lal Kitab and it was a significant first step, I repeat " FIRST > STEP " in the direction of enhancing accessability of the knowledge > that is enshrined in this book. But then as they say one whats good > for the goose may not be so for the gander or something to that > effect(if i haven't fouled up the saying, that is). > > Respectfully > > > R S > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Kulbir ji, > > > > Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time > and > > energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return. > > So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related > > activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the > forum. > > Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum > > should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets > > supported. > > > > Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and > > what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these > > questions, we should think about using the forum any further. > > > > We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result > in > > clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains > > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course > also has some > > > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. > rest assured > > > any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive > consent. > > > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. > > > First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts > are > > > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on > > > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it > doesn't even > > > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away > in no > > > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of > profit > > > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as > we suppose > > > them to take it and the very puose will be lost. > > > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people > and some > > > institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. > > > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 > students, but > > > outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students > apart from > > > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on > indiuidual > > > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated > without any > > > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this > forum are > > > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those > who have > > > the interest but cannot afford. > > > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum > cost. The > > > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or > fortnightly baiss > > > they can send back their querries and so on interactive session > will begin. > > > The course material will include books free. A magazine will also > be started > > > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and > research. > > > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical > problems that > > > too on kundalis of the students alone. > > > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch > with the > > > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the > students in > > > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for > students to come > > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which > surrounds > > > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per > there > > > convenience. > > > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such > a way > > > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at > the cost > > > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep > there > > > enthusiasm alive. > > > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after > the forum's > > > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. > > > > > > Kulbir Singh Bains. > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Rakesh ji, > > > > > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have > > > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved > > > much useful for group members and only a few members get > benefited. We > > > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material, > > > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we > all > > > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to > online. > > > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are > going > > > to benefit only limited number of people. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal > <rakeshsahgal> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Punit > > > > > > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical > divide and > > > > are in my opinion the preferred option. > > > > > > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct > word?). > > > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance > the > > > > value of online courses. There is however the question of > increased > > > > logistic requirement. > > > > > > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who > will be > > > > conducting the courses. > > > > > > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum > about > > > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts > and > > > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this > > > > initiative. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> > wrote: > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help > learning > > > > Lal > > > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In > my > > > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only. > > > > People > > > > > here are from different locations and having different > availability. > > > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me. > > > > > > > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the > > > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can > supplement > > > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of > anything > > > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is > restricted to > > > > only > > > > > few members. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hi Punit, It would be interesting to know who benefitted and in what manner. This information would ensure such happenings do not occur again. I hope you will be candid in sharing your views and perception. Respectfully R S lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Rakesh ji, > > I respect your opinion. But you are not the only person from where I > am receiving opinion. I personally admire the efforts by the people as > mentioned by you. In fact, if you remember I was one of the > frontrunner for seminar. I have analyzed the last event and received > various opinions before concluding anything. I just want to get it > discussed thoroughly before moving ahead in the direction. I am not > very sure that why the same thing i.e. Teva ki Drishti cannot be > discussed here? In fact, we have discussed various complex topics > here. Why we need some platform that is not accessible to all? Bhatia > ji has added his article in the file section of the group and > accessible to all but why it is not true about everything discussed at > seminar? In my opinion it is not easy to merge online and offline > activities and it can result is various small groups. I have my > suspicions and my intention is to get those solved before moving > ahead. > > There is no question of objection on your opinion. In fact, I have > written the mail to get opinions. You are true while quoting your > idiom and as you said, I have to consider the interest of all people > here and the group. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:14:08 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Punit, > > > > Pity you should find the existence of " VESTED INTERESTS " which > > actually benefitted from an exercise which I found to be a creditable > > effort by all the learned members of this group. > > > > I speak for myself - had it not been for this exercise I wouldnt have > > had the privelege of meeting personages such as Prabhakr ji, Shukla Ji > > and Khattar ji. The depth of their knowledge, their ability to respond > > spontaeneously to people, in the section concerning the exercise on > > " asaan durusti " was an eye opener for me atleast. I hope there are > > others who will share my view on the subject. > > > > Given that you are the host and owner of this forum I would not like > > to overstay my welcome here and abuse the hospitality that you are > > kind enough to extend to the members of this group, by getting into an > > arguement of who benefitted and who did not from the seminar. > > > > All I will submit is quite a few people got to witness the magic of > > the Lal Kitab and it was a significant first step, I repeat " FIRST > > STEP " in the direction of enhancing accessability of the knowledge > > that is enshrined in this book. But then as they say one whats good > > for the goose may not be so for the gander or something to that > > effect(if i haven't fouled up the saying, that is). > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Kulbir ji, > > > > > > Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time > > and > > > energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return. > > > So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related > > > activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the > > forum. > > > Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum > > > should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets > > > supported. > > > > > > Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and > > > what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these > > > questions, we should think about using the forum any further. > > > > > > We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result > > in > > > clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains > > > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course > > also has some > > > > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. > > rest assured > > > > any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive > > consent. > > > > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. > > > > First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts > > are > > > > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on > > > > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it > > doesn't even > > > > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away > > in no > > > > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of > > profit > > > > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as > > we suppose > > > > them to take it and the very puose will be lost. > > > > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people > > and some > > > > institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. > > > > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 > > students, but > > > > outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students > > apart from > > > > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on > > indiuidual > > > > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated > > without any > > > > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this > > forum are > > > > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those > > who have > > > > the interest but cannot afford. > > > > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum > > cost. The > > > > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or > > fortnightly baiss > > > > they can send back their querries and so on interactive session > > will begin. > > > > The course material will include books free. A magazine will also > > be started > > > > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and > > research. > > > > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical > > problems that > > > > too on kundalis of the students alone. > > > > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch > > with the > > > > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the > > students in > > > > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for > > students to come > > > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which > > surrounds > > > > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per > > there > > > > convenience. > > > > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such > > a way > > > > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at > > the cost > > > > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep > > there > > > > enthusiasm alive. > > > > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after > > the forum's > > > > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. > > > > > > > > Kulbir Singh Bains. > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > > Rakesh ji, > > > > > > > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have > > > > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved > > > > much useful for group members and only a few members get > > benefited. We > > > > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material, > > > > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we > > all > > > > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to > > online. > > > > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are > > going > > > > to benefit only limited number of people. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal > > <rakeshsahgal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Punit > > > > > > > > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical > > divide and > > > > > are in my opinion the preferred option. > > > > > > > > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct > > word?). > > > > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance > > the > > > > > value of online courses. There is however the question of > > increased > > > > > logistic requirement. > > > > > > > > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who > > will be > > > > > conducting the courses. > > > > > > > > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum > > about > > > > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts > > and > > > > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this > > > > > initiative. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help > > learning > > > > > Lal > > > > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In > > my > > > > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only. > > > > > People > > > > > > here are from different locations and having different > > availability. > > > > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the > > > > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can > > supplement > > > > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of > > anything > > > > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is > > restricted to > > > > > only > > > > > > few members. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Res. Punit Ji Its great idea 2 bring out the magazine on Lal Kitab.But how u r going to manage it.Because it is a costly affair.If u require any help u can always call upon me. regards. Nandu On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 Punit Pandey wrote : >Kulbir ji, >Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and >energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return. >So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related >activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum. >Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum >should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets >supported. >Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and >what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these >questions, we should think about using the forum any further. >We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in >clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible. >Regards, >Punit Pandey >On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains ><ceetabains wrote: >> >> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some >> limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured >> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent. >> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. >> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are >> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on >> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even >> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no >> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit >> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose >> them to take it and the very puose will be lost. >> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some >> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. >> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but >> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from >> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual >> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any >> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are >> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have >> the interest but cannot afford. >> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The >> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss >> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin. >> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started >> soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research. >> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that >> too on kundalis of the students alone. >> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the >> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in >> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come >> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds >> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there >> convenience. >> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way >> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost >> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there >> enthusiasm alive. >> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's >> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. >> >> Kulbir Singh Bains. >> >> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: >> Rakesh ji, >> >> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have >> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved >> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We >> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material, >> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all >> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online. >> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going >> to benefit only limited number of people. >> >> Regards, >> >> Punit Pandey >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi Punit >> > >> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and >> > are in my opinion the preferred option. >> > >> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?). >> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the >> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased >> > logistic requirement. >> > >> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be >> > conducting the courses. >> > >> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about >> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and >> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this >> > initiative. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > R S >> > >> > >> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: >> > > Hello Friends, >> > > >> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning >> > Lal >> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my >> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only. >> > People >> > > here are from different locations and having different availability. >> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me. >> > > >> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the >> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement >> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything >> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to >> > only >> > > few members. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Punit Pandey >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> vote. - Register online to vote today! >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Nandkishore ji, Thanks for your support. We will definitively take your help. I am sure it cannot be possible without the support of the members of this forum. Regards, Punit Pandey On 13 Oct 2004 10:36:45 -0000, Nandkishore rai rawal <natkhatnandu wrote: > > Res. Punit Ji > > Its great idea 2 bring out the magazine on Lal Kitab.But how u r going to manage it.Because it is a costly affair.If u require any help u can always call upon me. > > regards. > Nandu > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 Punit Pandey wrote : > >Kulbir ji, > >Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and > >energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return. > >So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related > >activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum. > >Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum > >should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets > >supported. > >Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and > >what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these > >questions, we should think about using the forum any further. > >We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in > >clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible. > >Regards, > >Punit Pandey > >On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains > ><ceetabains wrote: > >> > >> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some > >> limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured > >> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent. > >> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much. > >> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are > >> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on > >> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even > >> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no > >> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit > >> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose > >> them to take it and the very puose will be lost. > >> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some > >> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. > >> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but > >> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from > >> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual > >> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any > >> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are > >> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have > >> the interest but cannot afford. > >> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The > >> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss > >> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin. > >> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started > >> soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research. > >> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that > >> too on kundalis of the students alone. > >> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the > >> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in > >> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come > >> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds > >> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there > >> convenience. > >> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way > >> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost > >> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there > >> enthusiasm alive. > >> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's > >> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any. > >> > >> Kulbir Singh Bains. > >> > >> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > >> Rakesh ji, > >> > >> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have > >> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved > >> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We > >> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material, > >> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all > >> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online. > >> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going > >> to benefit only limited number of people. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Punit Pandey > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Punit > >> > > >> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and > >> > are in my opinion the preferred option. > >> > > >> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?). > >> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the > >> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased > >> > logistic requirement. > >> > > >> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be > >> > conducting the courses. > >> > > >> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about > >> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and > >> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this > >> > initiative. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > R S > >> > > >> > > >> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > >> > > Hello Friends, > >> > > > >> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning > >> > Lal > >> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my > >> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only. > >> > People > >> > > here are from different locations and having different availability. > >> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me. > >> > > > >> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the > >> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement > >> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything > >> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to > >> > only > >> > > few members. > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > > >> > > Punit Pandey > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> vote. - Register online to vote today! > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Dear Punit Ji Namaskar. Carry on your good work.Being a media marketing man If I can be of any kind of help in getting advts.,distribution,production etc. pls feel free to write or contact me. Ravindra PancholiPunit Pandey <punitp wrote: Nandkishore ji,Thanks for your support. We will definitively take your help. I amsure it cannot be possible without the support of the members of thisforum.Regards,Punit PandeyOn 13 Oct 2004 10:36:45 -0000, Nandkishore rai rawal<natkhatnandu wrote:> > Res. Punit Ji> > Its great idea 2 bring out the magazine on Lal Kitab.But how u r going to manage it.Because it is a costly affair.If u require any help u can always call upon me.> > regards.> Nandu> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 Punit Pandey wrote :> >Kulbir ji,> >Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and> >energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.> >So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related> >activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum.> >Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum> >should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets> >supported.> >Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and> >what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these> >questions, we should think about using the forum any further.> >We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in> >clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.> >Regards,> >Punit Pandey> >On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains> ><ceetabains wrote:> >>> >> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some> >> limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured> >> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent.> >> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.> >> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are> >> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on> >> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even> >> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no> >> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit> >> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose> >> them to take it and the very puose will be lost.> >> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some> >> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.> >> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but> >> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from> >> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual> >> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any> >> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are> >> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have> >> the interest but cannot afford.> >> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The> >> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss> >> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin.> >> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started> >> soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research.> >> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that> >> too on kundalis of the students alone.> >> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the> >> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in> >> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come> >> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds> >> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there> >> convenience.> >> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way> >> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost> >> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there> >> enthusiasm alive.> >> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's> >> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.> >> > >> Kulbir Singh Bains.> >> > >> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> >> Rakesh ji,> >>> >> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have> >> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved> >> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We> >> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,> >> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all> >> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.> >> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going> >> to benefit only limited number of people.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Punit Pandey> >>> >>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> >> wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Punit> >> >> >> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and> >> > are in my opinion the preferred option.> >> >> >> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).> >> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the> >> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased> >> > logistic requirement.> >> >> >> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be> >> > conducting the courses.> >> >> >> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about> >> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and> >> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this> >> > initiative.> >> >> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > R S> >> >> >> >> >> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> >> > > Hello Friends,> >> > >> >> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning> >> > Lal> >> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my> >> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.> >> > People> >> > > here are from different locations and having different availability.> >> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.> >> > >> >> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the> >> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement> >> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything> >> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to> >> > only> >> > > few members.> >> > >> >> > > Regards,> >> > >> >> > > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> ________________________________> >> > >> vote. - Register online to vote today!> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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