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Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent. After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some institutions are also after them to start teaching this system. In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have the interest but cannot afford.

As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin. The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research. The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that too on kundalis of the students alone.

The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there convenience.

The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there enthusiasm alive.

these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

 

Kulbir Singh Bains.

 

Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Rakesh ji,I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I haveseen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not provedmuch useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. Wetalked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we allknow it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.This forum should not be used for any such activities that are goingto benefit only limited number of people.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote:> > > Hi Punit> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and> are in my opinion the preferred option.> > However this

direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).> Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the> value of online courses. There is however the question of increased> logistic requirement.> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be> conducting the courses.> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about> their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and> opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this> initiative.> > Regards> > R S> > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Hello Friends,> >> > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning> Lal> > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my> > opinion we must think in

the direction of online courses only.> People> > here are from different locations and having different availability.> > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.> >> > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the> > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement> > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything> > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to> only> > few members.> >> > Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> > >

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Kulbir ji,

 

Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and

energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.

So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related

activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum.

Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum

should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets

supported.

 

Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and

what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these

questions, we should think about using the forum any further.

 

We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in

clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

<ceetabains wrote:

>

> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some

> limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured

> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent.

> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are

> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on

> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even

> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no

> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit

> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose

> them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some

> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.

> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but

> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from

> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual

> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any

> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are

> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have

> the interest but cannot afford.

> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The

> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss

> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin.

> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started

> soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research.

> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that

> too on kundalis of the students alone.

> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the

> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in

> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come

> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds

> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there

> convenience.

> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way

> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost

> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there

> enthusiasm alive.

> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's

> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

>

> Kulbir Singh Bains.

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> Rakesh ji,

>

> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have

> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved

> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We

> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,

> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all

> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.

> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going

> to benefit only limited number of people.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi Punit

> >

> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and

> > are in my opinion the preferred option.

> >

> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).

> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the

> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased

> > logistic requirement.

> >

> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be

> > conducting the courses.

> >

> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about

> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and

> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this

> > initiative.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > R S

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > Hello Friends,

> > >

> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning

> > Lal

> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my

> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.

> > People

> > > here are from different locations and having different availability.

> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.

> > >

> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the

> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement

> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything

> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to

> > only

> > > few members.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> ________________________________

>

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Hi Punit,

 

Pity you should find the existence of " VESTED INTERESTS " which

actually benefitted from an exercise which I found to be a creditable

effort by all the learned members of this group.

 

I speak for myself - had it not been for this exercise I wouldnt have

had the privelege of meeting personages such as Prabhakr ji, Shukla Ji

and Khattar ji. The depth of their knowledge, their ability to respond

spontaeneously to people, in the section concerning the exercise on

" asaan durusti " was an eye opener for me atleast. I hope there are

others who will share my view on the subject.

 

Given that you are the host and owner of this forum I would not like

to overstay my welcome here and abuse the hospitality that you are

kind enough to extend to the members of this group, by getting into an

arguement of who benefitted and who did not from the seminar.

 

All I will submit is quite a few people got to witness the magic of

the Lal Kitab and it was a significant first step, I repeat " FIRST

STEP " in the direction of enhancing accessability of the knowledge

that is enshrined in this book. But then as they say one whats good

for the goose may not be so for the gander or something to that

effect(if i haven't fouled up the saying, that is).

 

Respectfully

 

 

 

R S

 

 

 

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Kulbir ji,

>

> Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time

and

> energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.

> So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related

> activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the

forum.

> Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum

> should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets

> supported.

>

> Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and

> what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these

> questions, we should think about using the forum any further.

>

> We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result

in

> clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

> <ceetabains> wrote:

> >

> > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course

also has some

> > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date.

rest assured

> > any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive

consent.

> > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

> > First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts

are

> > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on

> > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it

doesn't even

> > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away

in no

> > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of

profit

> > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as

we suppose

> > them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

> > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people

and some

> > institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.

> > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30

students, but

> > outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students

apart from

> > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on

indiuidual

> > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated

without any

> > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this

forum are

> > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those

who have

> > the interest but cannot afford.

> > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum

cost. The

> > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or

fortnightly baiss

> > they can send back their querries and so on interactive session

will begin.

> > The course material will include books free. A magazine will also

be started

> > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and

research.

> > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical

problems that

> > too on kundalis of the students alone.

> > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch

with the

> > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the

students in

> > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for

students to come

> > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which

surrounds

> > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per

there

> > convenience.

> > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such

a way

> > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at

the cost

> > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep

there

> > enthusiasm alive.

> > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after

the forum's

> > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

> >

> > Kulbir Singh Bains.

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > Rakesh ji,

> >

> > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have

> > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved

> > much useful for group members and only a few members get

benefited. We

> > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,

> > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we

all

> > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to

online.

> > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are

going

> > to benefit only limited number of people.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal

<rakeshsahgal>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Punit

> > >

> > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical

divide and

> > > are in my opinion the preferred option.

> > >

> > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct

word?).

> > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance

the

> > > value of online courses. There is however the question of

increased

> > > logistic requirement.

> > >

> > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who

will be

> > > conducting the courses.

> > >

> > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum

about

> > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts

and

> > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this

> > > initiative.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > R S

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > > > Hello Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help

learning

> > > Lal

> > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In

my

> > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.

> > > People

> > > > here are from different locations and having different

availability.

> > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.

> > > >

> > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the

> > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can

supplement

> > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of

anything

> > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is

restricted to

> > > only

> > > > few members.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > vote. - Register online to vote today!

> >

> >

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Rakesh ji,

 

I respect your opinion. But you are not the only person from where I

am receiving opinion. I personally admire the efforts by the people as

mentioned by you. In fact, if you remember I was one of the

frontrunner for seminar. I have analyzed the last event and received

various opinions before concluding anything. I just want to get it

discussed thoroughly before moving ahead in the direction. I am not

very sure that why the same thing i.e. Teva ki Drishti cannot be

discussed here? In fact, we have discussed various complex topics

here. Why we need some platform that is not accessible to all? Bhatia

ji has added his article in the file section of the group and

accessible to all but why it is not true about everything discussed at

seminar? In my opinion it is not easy to merge online and offline

activities and it can result is various small groups. I have my

suspicions and my intention is to get those solved before moving

ahead.

 

There is no question of objection on your opinion. In fact, I have

written the mail to get opinions. You are true while quoting your

idiom and as you said, I have to consider the interest of all people

here and the group.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:14:08 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote:

>

>

> Hi Punit,

>

> Pity you should find the existence of " VESTED INTERESTS " which

> actually benefitted from an exercise which I found to be a creditable

> effort by all the learned members of this group.

>

> I speak for myself - had it not been for this exercise I wouldnt have

> had the privelege of meeting personages such as Prabhakr ji, Shukla Ji

> and Khattar ji. The depth of their knowledge, their ability to respond

> spontaeneously to people, in the section concerning the exercise on

> " asaan durusti " was an eye opener for me atleast. I hope there are

> others who will share my view on the subject.

>

> Given that you are the host and owner of this forum I would not like

> to overstay my welcome here and abuse the hospitality that you are

> kind enough to extend to the members of this group, by getting into an

> arguement of who benefitted and who did not from the seminar.

>

> All I will submit is quite a few people got to witness the magic of

> the Lal Kitab and it was a significant first step, I repeat " FIRST

> STEP " in the direction of enhancing accessability of the knowledge

> that is enshrined in this book. But then as they say one whats good

> for the goose may not be so for the gander or something to that

> effect(if i haven't fouled up the saying, that is).

>

> Respectfully

>

>

> R S

>

> lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time

> and

> > energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.

> > So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related

> > activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the

> forum.

> > Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum

> > should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets

> > supported.

> >

> > Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and

> > what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these

> > questions, we should think about using the forum any further.

> >

> > We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result

> in

> > clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

> > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course

> also has some

> > > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date.

> rest assured

> > > any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive

> consent.

> > > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

> > > First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts

> are

> > > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on

> > > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it

> doesn't even

> > > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away

> in no

> > > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of

> profit

> > > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as

> we suppose

> > > them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

> > > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people

> and some

> > > institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.

> > > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30

> students, but

> > > outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students

> apart from

> > > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on

> indiuidual

> > > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated

> without any

> > > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this

> forum are

> > > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those

> who have

> > > the interest but cannot afford.

> > > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum

> cost. The

> > > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or

> fortnightly baiss

> > > they can send back their querries and so on interactive session

> will begin.

> > > The course material will include books free. A magazine will also

> be started

> > > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and

> research.

> > > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical

> problems that

> > > too on kundalis of the students alone.

> > > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch

> with the

> > > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the

> students in

> > > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for

> students to come

> > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which

> surrounds

> > > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per

> there

> > > convenience.

> > > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such

> a way

> > > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at

> the cost

> > > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep

> there

> > > enthusiasm alive.

> > > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after

> the forum's

> > > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

> > >

> > > Kulbir Singh Bains.

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > Rakesh ji,

> > >

> > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have

> > > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved

> > > much useful for group members and only a few members get

> benefited. We

> > > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,

> > > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we

> all

> > > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to

> online.

> > > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are

> going

> > > to benefit only limited number of people.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal

> <rakeshsahgal>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Punit

> > > >

> > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical

> divide and

> > > > are in my opinion the preferred option.

> > > >

> > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct

> word?).

> > > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance

> the

> > > > value of online courses. There is however the question of

> increased

> > > > logistic requirement.

> > > >

> > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who

> will be

> > > > conducting the courses.

> > > >

> > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum

> about

> > > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts

> and

> > > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this

> > > > initiative.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > R S

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help

> learning

> > > > Lal

> > > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In

> my

> > > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.

> > > > People

> > > > > here are from different locations and having different

> availability.

> > > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the

> > > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can

> supplement

> > > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of

> anything

> > > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is

> restricted to

> > > > only

> > > > > few members.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > vote. - Register online to vote today!

> > >

> > >

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Hi Punit,

 

It would be interesting to know who benefitted and in what manner.

This information would ensure such happenings do not occur again. I

hope you will be candid in sharing your views and perception.

 

Respectfully

 

 

R S

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Rakesh ji,

>

> I respect your opinion. But you are not the only person from where I

> am receiving opinion. I personally admire the efforts by the people

as

> mentioned by you. In fact, if you remember I was one of the

> frontrunner for seminar. I have analyzed the last event and received

> various opinions before concluding anything. I just want to get it

> discussed thoroughly before moving ahead in the direction. I am not

> very sure that why the same thing i.e. Teva ki Drishti cannot be

> discussed here? In fact, we have discussed various complex topics

> here. Why we need some platform that is not accessible to all?

Bhatia

> ji has added his article in the file section of the group and

> accessible to all but why it is not true about everything discussed

at

> seminar? In my opinion it is not easy to merge online and offline

> activities and it can result is various small groups. I have my

> suspicions and my intention is to get those solved before moving

> ahead.

>

> There is no question of objection on your opinion. In fact, I have

> written the mail to get opinions. You are true while quoting your

> idiom and as you said, I have to consider the interest of all people

> here and the group.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:14:08 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi Punit,

> >

> > Pity you should find the existence of " VESTED INTERESTS " which

> > actually benefitted from an exercise which I found to be a

creditable

> > effort by all the learned members of this group.

> >

> > I speak for myself - had it not been for this exercise I wouldnt

have

> > had the privelege of meeting personages such as Prabhakr ji,

Shukla Ji

> > and Khattar ji. The depth of their knowledge, their ability to

respond

> > spontaeneously to people, in the section concerning the exercise

on

> > " asaan durusti " was an eye opener for me atleast. I hope there are

> > others who will share my view on the subject.

> >

> > Given that you are the host and owner of this forum I would not

like

> > to overstay my welcome here and abuse the hospitality that you are

> > kind enough to extend to the members of this group, by getting

into an

> > arguement of who benefitted and who did not from the seminar.

> >

> > All I will submit is quite a few people got to witness the magic

of

> > the Lal Kitab and it was a significant first step, I repeat " FIRST

> > STEP " in the direction of enhancing accessability of the knowledge

> > that is enshrined in this book. But then as they say one whats

good

> > for the goose may not be so for the gander or something to that

> > effect(if i haven't fouled up the saying, that is).

> >

> > Respectfully

> >

> >

> > R S

> >

> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much

time

> > and

> > > energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in

return.

> > > So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related

> > > activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the

> > forum.

> > > Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so

forum

> > > should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it

gets

> > > supported.

> > >

> > > Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course

and

> > > what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these

> > > questions, we should think about using the forum any further.

> > >

> > > We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can

result

> > in

> > > clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as

possible.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

> > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course

> > also has some

> > > > limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date.

> > rest assured

> > > > any activity in this regard will be started with your

exclusive

> > consent.

> > > > After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

> > > > First of all there is a practical problem; although the

experts

> > are

> > > > presently saying that they are ready to undertake the

teaching on

> > > > humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it

> > doesn't even

> > > > compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither

away

> > in no

> > > > time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it

stinks of

> > profit

> > > > making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly

as

> > we suppose

> > > > them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

> > > > Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the

people

> > and some

> > > > institutions are also after them to start teaching this

system.

> > > > In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30

> > students, but

> > > > outside the net we have already received offer from 200

students

> > apart from

> > > > the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on

> > indiuidual

> > > > student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is

compensated

> > without any

> > > > burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this

> > forum are

> > > > affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore

those

> > who have

> > > > the interest but cannot afford.

> > > > As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with

minimum

> > cost. The

> > > > notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or

> > fortnightly baiss

> > > > they can send back their querries and so on interactive

session

> > will begin.

> > > > The course material will include books free. A magazine will

also

> > be started

> > > > soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic

value and

> > research.

> > > > The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical

> > problems that

> > > > too on kundalis of the students alone.

> > > > The forum members will have the added advantage of being in

touch

> > with the

> > > > teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet

the

> > students in

> > > > different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for

> > students to come

> > > > to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected

which

> > surrounds

> > > > small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per

> > there

> > > > convenience.

> > > > The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in

such

> > a way

> > > > that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but

not at

> > the cost

> > > > of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep

> > there

> > > > enthusiasm alive.

> > > > these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken

after

> > the forum's

> > > > go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir Singh Bains.

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > > Rakesh ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I

have

> > > > seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not

proved

> > > > much useful for group members and only a few members get

> > benefited. We

> > > > talked about various things like videotapes, discussion

material,

> > > > articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as

we

> > all

> > > > know it is always difficult to bring offline information to

> > online.

> > > > This forum should not be used for any such activities that are

> > going

> > > > to benefit only limited number of people.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal

> > <rakeshsahgal>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Punit

> > > > >

> > > > > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical

> > divide and

> > > > > are in my opinion the preferred option.

> > > > >

> > > > > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct

> > word?).

> > > > > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly

enhance

> > the

> > > > > value of online courses. There is however the question of

> > increased

> > > > > logistic requirement.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people

who

> > will be

> > > > > conducting the courses.

> > > > >

> > > > > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum

> > about

> > > > > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their

thoughts

> > and

> > > > > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about

this

> > > > > initiative.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > R S

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help

> > learning

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab.

In

> > my

> > > > > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses

only.

> > > > > People

> > > > > > here are from different locations and having different

> > availability.

> > > > > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to

me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with

the

> > > > > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can

> > supplement

> > > > > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea

of

> > anything

> > > > > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is

> > restricted to

> > > > > only

> > > > > > few members.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > >

> > > > vote. - Register online to vote today!

> > > >

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Res. Punit Ji

 

Its great idea 2 bring out the magazine on Lal Kitab.But how u r going to manage it.Because it is a costly affair.If u require any help u can always call upon me.

 

regards.

Nandu

 

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 Punit Pandey wrote :

>Kulbir ji,

>Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and

>energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.

>So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related

>activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum.

>Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum

>should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets

>supported.

>Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and

>what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these

>questions, we should think about using the forum any further.

>We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in

>clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.

>Regards,

>Punit Pandey

>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

><ceetabains wrote:

>>

>> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some

>> limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured

>> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent.

>> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

>> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are

>> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on

>> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even

>> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no

>> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit

>> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose

>> them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

>> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some

>> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.

>> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but

>> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from

>> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual

>> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any

>> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are

>> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have

>> the interest but cannot afford.

>> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The

>> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss

>> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin.

>> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started

>> soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and research.

>> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that

>> too on kundalis of the students alone.

>> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the

>> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in

>> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come

>> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds

>> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there

>> convenience.

>> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way

>> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost

>> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there

>> enthusiasm alive.

>> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's

>> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

>> 

>> Kulbir Singh Bains.

>> 

>> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>> Rakesh ji,

>>

>> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have

>> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved

>> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We

>> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,

>> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all

>> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.

>> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going

>> to benefit only limited number of people.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Punit Pandey

>>

>>

>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal

>> wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi Punit

>> >

>> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and

>> > are in my opinion the preferred option.

>> >

>> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).

>> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the

>> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased

>> > logistic requirement.

>> >

>> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be

>> > conducting the courses.

>> >

>> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about

>> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and

>> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this

>> > initiative.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> >

>> > R S

>> >

>> >

>> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

>> > > Hello Friends,

>> > >

>> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning

>> > Lal

>> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my

>> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.

>> > People

>> > > here are from different locations and having different availability.

>> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.

>> > >

>> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the

>> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement

>> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything

>> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to

>> > only

>> > > few members.

>> > >

>> > > Regards,

>> > >

>> > > Punit Pandey

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> vote. - Register online to vote today!

>>

>>

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Nandkishore ji,

 

Thanks for your support. We will definitively take your help. I am

sure it cannot be possible without the support of the members of this

forum.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On 13 Oct 2004 10:36:45 -0000, Nandkishore rai rawal

<natkhatnandu wrote:

>

> Res. Punit Ji

>

> Its great idea 2 bring out the magazine on Lal Kitab.But how u r going to

manage it.Because it is a costly affair.If u require any help u can always call

upon me.

>

> regards.

> Nandu

>

> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 Punit Pandey wrote :

> >Kulbir ji,

> >Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and

> >energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.

> >So this time I am going to pay attention to every group related

> >activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum.

> >Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum

> >should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets

> >supported.

> >Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and

> >what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these

> >questions, we should think about using the forum any further.

> >We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in

> >clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.

> >Regards,

> >Punit Pandey

> >On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains

> ><ceetabains wrote:

> >>

> >> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has

some

> >> limitations. I am sending the proposals agreed upon till date. rest assured

> >> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent.

> >> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.

> >> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are

> >> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on

> >> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even

> >> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no

> >> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit

> >> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose

> >> them to take it and the very puose will be lost.

> >> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some

> >> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.

> >> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but

> >> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from

> >> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual

> >> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without

any

> >> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are

> >> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have

> >> the interest but cannot afford.

> >> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The

> >> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss

> >> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin.

> >> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be

started

> >> soon on quarterly basis having articles of high academic value and

research.

> >> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that

> >> too on kundalis of the students alone.

> >> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the

> >> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students

in

> >> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come

> >> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which

surrounds

> >> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there

> >> convenience.

> >> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way

> >> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost

> >> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there

> >> enthusiasm alive.

> >> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's

> >> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.

> >>

> >> Kulbir Singh Bains.

> >>

> >> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> >> Rakesh ji,

> >>

> >> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have

> >> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved

> >> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We

> >> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,

> >> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all

> >> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.

> >> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going

> >> to benefit only limited number of people.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Punit Pandey

> >>

> >>

> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal

> >> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Hi Punit

> >> >

> >> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and

> >> > are in my opinion the preferred option.

> >> >

> >> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).

> >> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the

> >> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased

> >> > logistic requirement.

> >> >

> >> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be

> >> > conducting the courses.

> >> >

> >> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about

> >> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and

> >> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this

> >> > initiative.

> >> >

> >> > Regards

> >> >

> >> > R S

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> >> > > Hello Friends,

> >> > >

> >> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning

> >> > Lal

> >> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my

> >> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.

> >> > People

> >> > > here are from different locations and having different availability.

> >> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.

> >> > >

> >> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the

> >> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement

> >> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything

> >> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to

> >> > only

> >> > > few members.

> >> > >

> >> > > Regards,

> >> > >

> >> > > Punit Pandey

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >>

> >> vote. - Register online to vote today!

> >>

> >>

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Dear Punit Ji

Namaskar.

 

Carry on your good work.Being a media marketing man If I can be of any kind of help in getting advts.,distribution,production etc. pls feel free to write or contact me.

 

Ravindra PancholiPunit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Nandkishore ji,Thanks for your support. We will definitively take your help. I amsure it cannot be possible without the support of the members of thisforum.Regards,Punit PandeyOn 13 Oct 2004 10:36:45 -0000, Nandkishore rai rawal<natkhatnandu wrote:> > Res. Punit Ji> > Its great idea 2 bring out the magazine on Lal Kitab.But how u r going to manage it.Because it is a costly affair.If u require any help u can always call upon me.> > regards.> Nandu> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 Punit Pandey wrote :> >Kulbir ji,> >Seminar was disappointment for me. We have invested too much time and> >energy on seminar. At the end, the group received nothing in return.> >So this time I am going to pay attention to every group

related> >activity very closely and only then I'll allow the usage of the forum.> >Right now it is not a forum-supported activity like seminar so forum> >should not be used for any promotional purpose till the time it gets> >supported.> >Please clarify that who all are behind the idea of this course and> >what is the benefit of the forum. Only after answering these> >questions, we should think about using the forum any further.> >We are also working on one magazine on Lal Kitab and it can result in> >clash of interest in future. I want to avoid it as much as possible.> >Regards,> >Punit Pandey> >On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT), ceeta bains> ><ceetabains wrote:> >>> >> Punit ji, your concerns are not unfounded. But on line course also has some> >> limitations. I am sending the proposals

agreed upon till date. rest assured> >> any activity in this regard will be started with your exclusive consent.> >> After all its by ur efforts that we have achieved so much.> >> First of all there is a practical problem; although the experts are> >> presently saying that they are ready to undertake the teaching on> >> humanitarian grounds only but its my observation that if it doesn't even> >> compensates there expenses alone, the enthusiasm will whither away in no> >> time. On the other hand if the cost/fee is such that it stinks of profit> >> making the students will not take it as seriously or sacredly as we suppose> >> them to take it and the very puose will be lost.> >> Secondly the experts are also highly sought after and the people and some> >> institutions are also after them to start teaching this system.>

>> In the forum or on the net we can have at the most 20-30 students, but> >> outside the net we have already received offer from 200 students apart from> >> the instituttions. Wider number of students makes the cost on indiuidual> >> student virtually negligble. This way the teacher is compensated without any> >> burden on the students. It's correct that the members of this forum are> >> affulent and can pay high fees also but why should we ignore those who have> >> the interest but cannot afford.> >> As a way out the proposal is a correspondence course with minimum cost. The> >> notes will be send to the students by post on monthly or fortnightly baiss> >> they can send back their querries and so on interactive session will begin.> >> The course material will include books free. A magazine will also be started> >> soon on quarterly

basis having articles of high academic value and research.> >> The stress on this correspondence course will be on practical problems that> >> too on kundalis of the students alone.> >> The forum members will have the added advantage of being in touch with the> >> teachers on regular baisis. Otherwise the teachers will meet the students in> >> different cities on rotational basis. There is no need for students to come> >> to delhi or any other city. Any central city may be selected which surrounds> >> small towns etc. and the teachers will meet them there as per there> >> convenience.> >> The essential part is to get this book to maximum students in such a way> >> that the students are offered teaching at minimum cost but not at the cost> >> of the teachers. They have to be compensated in order to keep there> >>

enthusiasm alive.> >> these are mere proposals any final decision will be taken after the forum's> >> go ahead. Kindly send in your suggestion and doubts if any.> >> > >> Kulbir Singh Bains.> >> > >> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> >> Rakesh ji,> >>> >> I have suspicion about the utility of face-to-face courses. I have> >> seen that even the last physical event i.e. seminar has not proved> >> much useful for group members and only a few members get benefited. We> >> talked about various things like videotapes, discussion material,> >> articles, pictures etc. that will be available to all. But as we all> >> know it is always difficult to bring offline information to online.> >> This forum should not be used for any such activities that are going> >> to

benefit only limited number of people.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Punit Pandey> >>> >>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:29:10 -0000, rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> >> wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Punit> >> >> >> > Online courses for sure help in bridging the geographical divide and> >> > are in my opinion the preferred option.> >> >> >> > However this direction is by no means exclusionary(correct word?).> >> > Face to face interfaces wherever possible can greatly enhance the> >> > value of online courses. There is however the question of increased> >> > logistic requirement.> >> >> >> > The best judges of the direction are in anycase the people who will be>

>> > conducting the courses.> >> >> >> > We have to hear from the few experts there are on the forum about> >> > their views. I hope they will find fit to share their thoughts and> >> > opinions soon enough, as every one is very excited about this> >> > initiative.> >> >> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > R S> >> >> >> >> >> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> >> > > Hello Friends,> >> > >> >> > > Recently a discussion is started to have a course to help learning> >> > Lal> >> > > Kitab. It seems a great idea to have course on Lal Kitab. In my> >> > > opinion we must think in the direction of online courses only.> >> >

People> >> > > here are from different locations and having different availability.> >> > > So thinking of physical course doesn't seem good idea to me.> >> > >> >> > > Another point is any offline event seems not in sync with the> >> > > objective of the group. I welcome all ideas that can supplement> >> > > learning process of this forum but I am against the idea of anything> >> > > that cannot benefit all members of the forum and is restricted to> >> > only> >> > > few members.> >> > >> >> > > Regards,> >> > >> >> > > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> ________________________________> >> > >> vote.

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