request -courses/traininng classes -attn sh umeshji

October 7, 2004

resp sh umesh ji;

several other members have also pointed that there is a

need for formal training courses.other branches of astrology are

doing formal training courses for decades; then why not for lalkitab

also!! that also from an expert like you who is always ready to help.

sir; i know you are already overworked by helping lk group members

but time comes when one must expand his gyaan ;expertise so that new

saplings may mature.

without guru-shishya parampara it is impossible to learn divine

arts .

i feel that group members will agree that such a step shall help all

students; advanced learners and lalkitab practitioners needing

finishing touches.

hence sir i once again request for setting some insitution of

learning lalkitab or some online course.

lalkitab , " gopshaz " <gopshaz> wrote:

>

> dear friends

> certainly a formal training is the need of time.it is not a

question

> of having lalkitab but getting trained under kind guidance of a guru

> will clear the concepts and principles of this mystic book.

> i think sh umesh sharma ji must be requested to kindly start some

> classes and courses for lalkitab students and practitioners as well.

> his zeal and expertise is clearly visible in group as ALONE he is

> carrying the self less activity of responding and suggesting

remedies

> to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to

this

> challenge and enlighten the those asking for a formal

course;inspite

> of fact that he is at present also providing guidance to one and

all

> in group by responding to diverse problems of members in distress.

> dr gopal sharma.

>

> lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...>

wrote:

> >

> > A formal training programme would be very good. I also have a

copy

> > of the Lal Kitab, but there are certain things that come with

> > experience for which experienced Gurus are required.

> >

> > RITU

> >

> > lalkitab , " m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in>

> wrote:

> > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,

> > > It is a good suggestion for coaching class etc., but

> > > this suggestion arose due to all stress on one person

> > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I have joined the group

> > > just very few days back with thanks to the Group

> > > Owner, but have the feeling that many are just pushing

> > > querries without studying problem themselves. First of

> > > all how many of us have Lal Kitab. I joined group

> > > after purchasing Lal Kitab - Manoj Publications

> > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study and get querry

> > > clarified/discussed in the forum on his/her

> > > observations - and not merely informing DOB, time &

> > > place. Let us all first inform the Group Owner - how

> > > many do possess the LK, without which one can not

> > > proceed further.

> > > M.R. GUPTA

> > > --- ganpati_1 <ganpati_1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > resp friends,

> > > > have been following postings almost since

> > > > begining of this

> > > > group in order to learn the lalkitab astrology . the

> > > > group as a whole

> > > > has provided scope for growth but feel that its very

> > > > difficult to

> > > > learn this art by hit and try method by following

> > > > various

> > > > messages .Often one gets confused in the response

> > > > and counter

> > > > responses.My gut feeling is that it is next to

> > > > impossible to learn

> > > > the mystery of lalkitab without an expert guidance

> > > > ie " guru bin gyan

> > > > nahi! " .over the time i have seen that sh mudit ji

> > > > has with selfless

> > > > zeal been responding to almost all members seeking

> > > > remedies and when

> > > > he conducted a seminar it was clear that he has

> > > > taken a great step

> > > > and lead to expand the lalkitab knowledgeto every

> > > > one interested in

> > > > learning and practising the lk.he often stuns the

> > > > seeker with his

> > > > accurate observations and simple remedies

> > > > i humbly request shri mudit ji to kindly start

> > > > courses/training

> > > > classes for learners at beginner level and advanced

> > > > learners pl so

> > > > that the learners could rely for seeking knowledge

> > > > and clarity in

> > > > lalkitab intricacies.if such a course is offered by

> > > > panditji i will

> > > > certainly like to join and keeping in view the

> > > > growing numbers of

> > > > learners it shall be a great help.i hope and request

> > > > sh mudit ji to

> > > > kindly oblige pl.

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > > _______________________________

> > >

> > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!

> > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Dear Members,

Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in accordance

with a systemized methodology has been appearing in

this forum. This issue has also been occasionally been

raised in the forum earlier also. In this regard may

I have the audacity to say that during my process of

learning I have collected the real gems in this field.

Fortunately they all are more than willing to teach to

all those who are desirous of learning.

I have nothing to hide, I have even written a few

books on this subject but I think that a systemized

course coupled with personal contact programme can

address this issue in a better way. But you all may be

familiar that this is easier said than done, it is not

possible for myself alone to undertake this task.

Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All those

desirous of learning may kindly send a brief note as

to what type of subject matter they want to be

included in the course. Also write briefly about

yourself so that I may utilize your services also. It

would be still better if you could tell me as to how

you can contribute in this pious cause.

Let me make one thing clear that if I start a course

it would be certified course and certificate would be

issued only and only on merit. I have seen that in

many institutes certificates are issued on completion

of the term whether you learn anything or not. My

course and certificate will have sanctity above all

and God willing it will be treated as an esteemed

treasure.

Waiting for your response.

Umesh Sharma. Mudit

lalkitab , " ganpati_1 " <ganpati_1> wrote:

>

> resp sh umesh ji;

> several other members have also pointed that there is a

> need for formal training courses.other branches of astrology are

> doing formal training courses for decades; then why not for

lalkitab

> also!! that also from an expert like you who is always ready to

help.

> sir; i know you are already overworked by helping lk group members

> but time comes when one must expand his gyaan ;expertise so that

new

> saplings may mature.

> without guru-shishya parampara it is impossible to learn divine

> arts .

> i feel that group members will agree that such a step shall help all

> students; advanced learners and lalkitab practitioners needing

> finishing touches.

>

> hence sir i once again request for setting some insitution of

> learning lalkitab or some online course.

>

> lalkitab , " gopshaz " <gopshaz> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> > certainly a formal training is the need of time.it is not a

> question

> > of having lalkitab but getting trained under kind guidance of a

guru

> > will clear the concepts and principles of this mystic book.

> > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be requested to kindly start some

> > classes and courses for lalkitab students and practitioners as

well.

> > his zeal and expertise is clearly visible in group as ALONE he is

> > carrying the self less activity of responding and suggesting

> remedies

> > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to

> this

> > challenge and enlighten the those asking for a formal

> course;inspite

> > of fact that he is at present also providing guidance to one and

> all

> > in group by responding to diverse problems of members in distress.

> > dr gopal sharma.

> >

> > lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > A formal training programme would be very good. I also have a

> copy

> > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are certain things that come with

> > > experience for which experienced Gurus are required.

> > >

> > > RITU

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in>

> > wrote:

> > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,

> > > > It is a good suggestion for coaching class etc., but

> > > > this suggestion arose due to all stress on one person

> > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I have joined the group

> > > > just very few days back with thanks to the Group

> > > > Owner, but have the feeling that many are just pushing

> > > > querries without studying problem themselves. First of

> > > > all how many of us have Lal Kitab. I joined group

> > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab - Manoj Publications

> > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study and get querry

> > > > clarified/discussed in the forum on his/her

> > > > observations - and not merely informing DOB, time &

> > > > place. Let us all first inform the Group Owner - how

> > > > many do possess the LK, without which one can not

> > > > proceed further.

> > > > M.R. GUPTA

> > > > --- ganpati_1 <ganpati_1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > resp friends,

> > > > > have been following postings almost since

> > > > > begining of this

> > > > > group in order to learn the lalkitab astrology . the

> > > > > group as a whole

> > > > > has provided scope for growth but feel that its very

> > > > > difficult to

> > > > > learn this art by hit and try method by following

> > > > > various

> > > > > messages .Often one gets confused in the response

> > > > > and counter

> > > > > responses.My gut feeling is that it is next to

> > > > > impossible to learn

> > > > > the mystery of lalkitab without an expert guidance

> > > > > ie " guru bin gyan

> > > > > nahi! " .over the time i have seen that sh mudit ji

> > > > > has with selfless

> > > > > zeal been responding to almost all members seeking

> > > > > remedies and when

> > > > > he conducted a seminar it was clear that he has

> > > > > taken a great step

> > > > > and lead to expand the lalkitab knowledgeto every

> > > > > one interested in

> > > > > learning and practising the lk.he often stuns the

> > > > > seeker with his

> > > > > accurate observations and simple remedies

> > > > > i humbly request shri mudit ji to kindly start

> > > > > courses/training

> > > > > classes for learners at beginner level and advanced

> > > > > learners pl so

> > > > > that the learners could rely for seeking knowledge

> > > > > and clarity in

> > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if such a course is offered by

> > > > > panditji i will

> > > > > certainly like to join and keeping in view the

> > > > > growing numbers of

> > > > > learners it shall be a great help.i hope and request

> > > > > sh mudit ji to

> > > > > kindly oblige pl.

> > > > > thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > _______________________________

> > > >

> > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!

> > > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Respected umesh jee,

i am willing to learn course offered by U. Best is if you start an institue wherein i can come and join and learn form U . Also you trin person like me who can if possible can teach this to others would be agreat help to U . Giving certificate after completion is good excecise otherwise no body beive we are specialist .

Regards

Mukesh Anand

Mudit982001 [mudit982001] Friday, October 08, 2004 9:53 AMlalkitab Subject: [lalkitab] Re: request -courses/traininng classes -attn sh umeshji

Dear Members,Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in accordancewith a systemized methodology has been appearing inthis forum. This issue has also been occasionally beenraised in the forum earlier also. In this regard mayI have the audacity to say that during my process oflearning I have collected the real gems in this field.Fortunately they all are more than willing to teach toall those who are desirous of learning. I have nothing to hide, I have even written a fewbooks on this subject but I think that a systemizedcourse coupled with personal contact programme canaddress this issue in a better way. But you all may befamiliar that this is easier said than done, it is notpossible for myself alone to undertake this task.Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All thosedesirous of learning may kindly send a brief note asto what type of subject matter they want to beincluded in the course. Also write briefly aboutyourself so that I may utilize your services also. Itwould be still better if you could tell me as to howyou can contribute in this pious cause.Let me make one thing clear that if I start a courseit would be certified course and certificate would beissued only and only on merit. I have seen that inmany institutes certificates are issued on completionof the term whether you learn anything or not. Mycourse and certificate will have sanctity above alland God willing it will be treated as an esteemedtreasure.Waiting for your response.Umesh Sharma. Muditlalkitab , "ganpati_1" <ganpati_1> wrote:> > resp sh umesh ji;> several other members have also pointed that there is a > need for formal training courses.other branches of astrology are > doing formal training courses for decades; then why not for lalkitab > also!! that also from an expert like you who is always ready to help. > sir; i know you are already overworked by helping lk group members > but time comes when one must expand his gyaan ;expertise so that new > saplings may mature. > without guru-shishya parampara it is impossible to learn divine > arts .> i feel that group members will agree that such a step shall help all> students; advanced learners and lalkitab practitioners needing > finishing touches.> > hence sir i once again request for setting some insitution of > learning lalkitab or some online course.> > > > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > > > dear friends> > certainly a formal training is the need of time.it is not a > question > > of having lalkitab but getting trained under kind guidance of a guru> > will clear the concepts and principles of this mystic book.> > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be requested to kindly start some > > classes and courses for lalkitab students and practitioners as well.> > his zeal and expertise is clearly visible in group as ALONE he is > > carrying the self less activity of responding and suggesting > remedies> > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to > this > > challenge and enlighten the those asking for a formal > course;inspite > > of fact that he is at present also providing guidance to one and > all > > in group by responding to diverse problems of members in distress.> > dr gopal sharma.> > > > > > lalkitab , "Ritu Lalit" <ritulalit@h...> > wrote:> > > > > > A formal training programme would be very good. I also have a > copy > > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are certain things that come with > > > experience for which experienced Gurus are required.> > > > > > RITU> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "m.r. gupta" <mrgupta_in> > > wrote:> > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,> > > > It is a good suggestion for coaching class etc., but> > > > this suggestion arose due to all stress on one person> > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I have joined the group> > > > just very few days back with thanks to the Group> > > > Owner, but have the feeling that many are just pushing> > > > querries without studying problem themselves. First of> > > > all how many of us have Lal Kitab. I joined group> > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab - Manoj Publications> > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study and get querry> > > > clarified/discussed in the forum on his/her> > > > observations - and not merely informing DOB, time & > > > > place. Let us all first inform the Group Owner - how> > > > many do possess the LK, without which one can not> > > > proceed further.> > > > M.R. GUPTA> > > > --- ganpati_1 <ganpati_1> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resp friends,> > > > > have been following postings almost since> > > > > begining of this > > > > > group in order to learn the lalkitab astrology . the> > > > > group as a whole > > > > > has provided scope for growth but feel that its very> > > > > difficult to > > > > > learn this art by hit and try method by following> > > > > various > > > > > messages .Often one gets confused in the response> > > > > and counter > > > > > responses.My gut feeling is that it is next to> > > > > impossible to learn > > > > > the mystery of lalkitab without an expert guidance> > > > > ie "guru bin gyan > > > > > nahi!".over the time i have seen that sh mudit ji> > > > > has with selfless > > > > > zeal been responding to almost all members seeking> > > > > remedies and when > > > > > he conducted a seminar it was clear that he has> > > > > taken a great step > > > > > and lead to expand the lalkitab knowledgeto every> > > > > one interested in > > > > > learning and practising the lk.he often stuns the> > > > > seeker with his > > > > > accurate observations and simple remedies> > > > > i humbly request shri mudit ji to kindly start > > > > > courses/training > > > > > classes for learners at beginner level and advanced> > > > > learners pl so > > > > > that the learners could rely for seeking knowledge> > > > > and clarity in > > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if such a course is offered by> > > > > panditji i will > > > > > certainly like to join and keeping in view the> > > > > growing numbers of > > > > > learners it shall be a great help.i hope and request> > > > > sh mudit ji to > > > > > kindly oblige pl.> > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________> > > > > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!> > > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Dear Umeshji,

I am interested to join the Lal Kitab

course. I agree with your concept of issuing certificate only if merit is

there.

Subject matter to be included in the

course:

I would like the course to be exhaustive

and not a teaser or for starter. So, all of Lal Kitab comes under this.

The course can run on two parallel

rails, simultaneously:

Learning, decoding and understanding all of 5 lal kitab books

from start to finish, line by line ….

Taking up specific issues on example kundlis – such as

marriage … child birth … money … house acquisition or

liquidation … foreign travel … spiritual pursuits … job acquiring … which business or

profession to go in or whether to go in business or opt for employment …

type of spouse … items or aspects specifically forbidden

for a horoscope … when to

acquire vehicles … possible

difficult or easy times … problems with health etc. …. Hundreds

of such issues can be discussed and taught simultaneously.

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

Mudit982001

[mudit982001]

08 October 2004 09:53

lalkitab

[lalkitab] Re: request

-courses/traininng classes -attn sh umeshji

Dear Members,

Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in

accordance

with a systemized methodology has been appearing

in

this forum. This issue has also been occasionally

been

raised in the forum earlier also. In this regard

may

I have the audacity to say that during my process

of

learning I have collected the real gems in this

field.

Fortunately they all are more than willing to

teach to

all those who are desirous of learning.

I have nothing to hide, I have even written

a few

books on this subject but I think that a

systemized

course coupled with personal contact programme can

address this issue in a better way. But you all

may be

familiar that this is easier said than done, it is

not

possible for myself alone to undertake this task.

Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All

those

desirous of learning may kindly send a brief note

as

to what type of subject matter they want to be

included in the course. Also write briefly

about

yourself so that I may utilize your services also.

It

would be still better if you could tell me as to

how

you can contribute in this pious cause.

Let me make one thing clear that if I start a course

it would be certified course and certificate would

be

issued only and only on merit. I have seen that in

many institutes certificates are issued on

completion

of the term whether you learn anything or not. My

course and certificate will have sanctity

above all

and God willing it will be treated as an esteemed

treasure.

Waiting for your response.

Umesh Sharma. Mudit

lalkitab ,

" ganpati_1 " <ganpati_1> wrote:

>

> resp sh umesh ji;

>

several other members have also pointed that there is a

> need for formal training courses.other

branches of astrology are

> doing formal training courses for decades;

then why not for

lalkitab

> also!! that also from an expert like you who

is always ready to

help.

> sir; i know you are already overworked by

helping lk group members

> but time comes when one must expand his gyaan

;expertise so that

new

> saplings may mature.

> without guru-shishya parampara it is

impossible to learn divine

> arts .

> i feel that group members will agree that

such a step shall help all

> students; advanced learners and lalkitab

practitioners needing

> finishing touches.

>

> hence sir i once again request for setting

some insitution of

> learning lalkitab or some online course.

>

> lalkitab ,

" gopshaz " <gopshaz> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> > certainly a formal training is the need

of time.it is not a

> question

> > of having lalkitab but getting trained

under kind guidance of a

guru

> > will clear the concepts and principles

of this mystic book.

> > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be

requested to kindly start some

> > classes and courses for lalkitab

students and practitioners as

well.

> > his zeal and expertise is clearly

visible in group as ALONE he is

> > carrying the self less activity of

responding and suggesting

> remedies

> > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH

SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to

> this

> > challenge and enlighten the those asking

for a formal

> course;inspite

> > of fact that he is at present also

providing guidance to one and

> all

> > in group by responding to diverse

problems of members in distress.

>

dr gopal sharma.

>

> >

> > lalkitab ,

" Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > A formal training programme would

be very good. I also have a

> copy

> > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are

certain things that come with

> > > experience for which experienced

Gurus are required.

> > >

> > > RITU

> > >

> > > lalkitab ,

" m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in>

> > wrote:

> > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,

> > > > It is a good suggestion for

coaching class etc., but

> > > > this suggestion arose due to

all stress on one person

> > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I

have joined the group

> > > > just very few days back with

thanks to the Group

> > > > Owner, but have the feeling

that many are just pushing

> > > > querries without studying

problem themselves. First of

> > > > all how many of us have Lal

Kitab. I joined group

> > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab -

Manoj Publications

> > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study

and get querry

> > > > clarified/discussed in the

forum on his/her

> > > > observations - and not merely

informing DOB, time &

> > > > place. Let us all first inform

the Group Owner - how

> > > > many do possess the LK,

without which one can not

> > > > proceed further.

> > > > M.R. GUPTA

> > > > --- ganpati_1

<ganpati_1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > resp friends,

> > > >

> have been

following postings almost since

> > > > > begining of this

> > > > > group in order to learn

the lalkitab astrology . the

> > > > > group as a whole

> > > > > has provided scope for

growth but feel that its very

> > > > > difficult to

> > > > > learn this art by hit and

try method by following

> > > > > various

> > > > > messages .Often one gets

confused in the response

> > > > > and counter

> > > > > responses.My gut feeling

is that it is next to

> > > > > impossible to learn

> > > > > the mystery of lalkitab

without an expert guidance

> > > > > ie " guru bin gyan

> > > > > nahi! " .over the time

i have seen that sh mudit ji

> > > > > has with selfless

> > > > > zeal been responding to

almost all members seeking

> > > > > remedies and when

> > > > > he conducted a seminar it

was clear that he has

> > > > > taken a great step

> > > > > and lead to expand the

lalkitab knowledgeto every

> > > > > one interested in

> > > > > learning and practising

the lk.he often stuns the

> > > > > seeker with his

> > > > > accurate observations and

simple remedies

> > > > > i humbly request shri

mudit ji to kindly start

> > > > > courses/training

> > > > > classes for learners at

beginner level and advanced

> > > > > learners pl so

> > > > > that the learners could

rely for seeking knowledge

> > > > > and clarity in

> > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if

such a course is offered by

> > > > > panditji i will

> > > > > certainly like to join

and keeping in view the

> > > > > growing numbers of

> > > > > learners it shall be a

great help.i hope and request

> > > > > sh mudit ji to

> > > > > kindly oblige pl.

> > > >

>

thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

_______________________________

> > > >

> > > > Declare Yourself - Register

online to vote today!

> > > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Hi all,

Umesh jee to be more exhaustive approach will be follwoing:

1. Learn how to desgin and understand charts , varshphal .

2. calculation involve in understanding the position of planets , relevace of logitutde and latitude and planets transit as per DOB and time and place.

3. judgding benefic and malefic planets and understanding thousnad combination of each palnets.

4. understanding varioud yogs desribed as per kundli.maglik, kaal sarp yog and others

5. marriage decions , time of problems and remedies.

6. making predictions is a big task.

Aynthing umesh jee and other gurus' feel relevent would be of great help

Regards

Mukesh Anand

Sheikh Pervez Hameed [pervez] Friday, October 08, 2004 10:24 AMlalkitab Subject: RE: [lalkitab] Re: request -courses/traininng classes -attn sh umeshji

Dear Umeshji,

I am interested to join the Lal Kitab course. I agree with your concept of issuing certificate only if merit is there.

Subject matter to be included in the course:

I would like the course to be exhaustive and not a teaser or for starter. So, all of Lal Kitab comes under this.

The course can run on two parallel rails, simultaneously:

Learning, decoding and understanding all of 5 lal kitab books from start to finish, line by line ….

Taking up specific issues on example kundlis – such as marriage … child birth … money … house acquisition or liquidation … foreign travel … spiritual pursuits … job acquiring … which business or profession to go in or whether to go in business or opt for employment … type of spouse … items or aspects specifically forbidden for a horoscope … when to acquire vehicles … possible difficult or easy times … problems with health etc. …. Hundreds of such issues can be discussed and taught simultaneously.

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

Mudit982001 [mudit982001] 08 October 2004 09:53lalkitab Subject: [lalkitab] Re: request -courses/traininng classes -attn sh umeshji

Dear Members,Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in accordancewith a systemized methodology has been appearing inthis forum. This issue has also been occasionally beenraised in the forum earlier also. In this regard mayI have the audacity to say that during my process oflearning I have collected the real gems in this field.Fortunately they all are more than willing to teach toall those who are desirous of learning. I have nothing to hide, I have even written a fewbooks on this subject but I think that a systemizedcourse coupled with personal contact programme canaddress this issue in a better way. But you all may befamiliar that this is easier said than done, it is notpossible for myself alone to undertake this task.Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All thosedesirous of learning may kindly send a brief note asto what type of subject matter they want to beincluded in the course. Also write briefly aboutyourself so that I may utilize your services also. Itwould be still better if you could tell me as to howyou can contribute in this pious cause.Let me make one thing clear that if I start a courseit would be certified course and certificate would beissued only and only on merit. I have seen that inmany institutes certificates are issued on completionof the term whether you learn anything or not. Mycourse and certificate will have sanctity above alland God willing it will be treated as an esteemedtreasure.Waiting for your response.Umesh Sharma. Muditlalkitab , "ganpati_1" <ganpati_1> wrote:> > resp sh umesh ji;> several other members have also pointed that there is a > need for formal training courses.other branches of astrology are > doing formal training courses for decades; then why not for lalkitab > also!! that also from an expert like you who is always ready to help. > sir; i know you are already overworked by helping lk group members > but time comes when one must expand his gyaan ;expertise so that new > saplings may mature. > without guru-shishya parampara it is impossible to learn divine > arts .> i feel that group members will agree that such a step shall help all> students; advanced learners and lalkitab practitioners needing > finishing touches.> > hence sir i once again request for setting some insitution of > learning lalkitab or some online course.> > > > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > > > dear friends> > certainly a formal training is the need of time.it is not a > question > > of having lalkitab but getting trained under kind guidance of a guru> > will clear the concepts and principles of this mystic book.> > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be requested to kindly start some > > classes and courses for lalkitab students and practitioners as well.> > his zeal and expertise is clearly visible in group as ALONE he is > > carrying the self less activity of responding and suggesting > remedies> > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to > this > > challenge and enlighten the those asking for a formal > course;inspite > > of fact that he is at present also providing guidance to one and > all > > in group by responding to diverse problems of members in distress.> > dr gopal sharma.> > > > > > lalkitab , "Ritu Lalit" <ritulalit@h...> > wrote:> > > > > > A formal training programme would be very good. I also have a > copy > > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are certain things that come with > > > experience for which experienced Gurus are required.> > > > > > RITU> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "m.r. gupta" <mrgupta_in> > > wrote:> > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,> > > > It is a good suggestion for coaching class etc., but> > > > this suggestion arose due to all stress on one person> > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I have joined the group> > > > just very few days back with thanks to the Group> > > > Owner, but have the feeling that many are just pushing> > > > querries without studying problem themselves. First of> > > > all how many of us have Lal Kitab. I joined group> > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab - Manoj Publications> > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study and get querry> > > > clarified/discussed in the forum on his/her> > > > observations - and not merely informing DOB, time & > > > > place. Let us all first inform the Group Owner - how> > > > many do possess the LK, without which one can not> > > > proceed further.> > > > M.R. GUPTA> > > > --- ganpati_1 <ganpati_1> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resp friends,> > > > > have been following postings almost since> > > > > begining of this > > > > > group in order to learn the lalkitab astrology . the> > > > > group as a whole > > > > > has provided scope for growth but feel that its very> > > > > difficult to > > > > > learn this art by hit and try method by following> > > > > various > > > > > messages .Often one gets confused in the response> > > > > and counter > > > > > responses.My gut feeling is that it is next to> > > > > impossible to learn > > > > > the mystery of lalkitab without an expert guidance> > > > > ie "guru bin gyan > > > > > nahi!".over the time i have seen that sh mudit ji> > > > > has with selfless > > > > > zeal been responding to almost all members seeking> > > > > remedies and when > > > > > he conducted a seminar it was clear that he has> > > > > taken a great step > > > > > and lead to expand the lalkitab knowledgeto every> > > > > one interested in > > > > > learning and practising the lk.he often stuns the> > > > > seeker with his > > > > > accurate observations and simple remedies> > > > > i humbly request shri mudit ji to kindly start > > > > > courses/training > > > > > classes for learners at beginner level and advanced> > > > > learners pl so > > > > > that the learners could rely for seeking knowledge> > > > > and clarity in > > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if such a course is offered by> > > > > panditji i will > > > > > certainly like to join and keeping in view the> > > > > growing numbers of > > > > > learners it shall be a great help.i hope and request> > > > > sh mudit ji to > > > > > kindly oblige pl.> > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________> > > > > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!> > > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Dear Umeshji,

I can help in designing of the course.

My vote is for an exhaustive course as a tamer approach shall fail to do

justice to the tenets of Lal Kitab.

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

Sheikh Pervez

Hameed [pervez]

08 October 2004 10:24

lalkitab

RE: [lalkitab] Re:

request -courses/traininng classes -attn sh umeshji

Dear Umeshji,

I am interested to join the Lal Kitab

course. I agree with your concept of issuing certificate only if merit is

there.

Subject matter to be included in the

course:

I would like the course to be exhaustive

and not a teaser or for starter. So, all of Lal Kitab comes under this.

The course can run on two parallel

rails, simultaneously:

Learning, decoding and understanding all of 5 lal kitab books

from start to finish, line by line ….

Taking up specific issues on example kundlis – such as

marriage … child birth … money … house acquisition or

liquidation … foreign travel … spiritual pursuits … job acquiring … which business or

profession to go in or whether to go in business or opt for employment

… type of spouse

… items or aspects

specifically forbidden for a horoscope … when to acquire vehicles … possible difficult or easy times

… problems with health etc.

…. Hundreds of such issues can be discussed and taught

simultaneously.

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

Mudit982001

[mudit982001]

08 October 2004 09:53

lalkitab

[lalkitab] Re: request -courses/traininng

classes -attn sh umeshji

Dear Members,

Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in

accordance

with a systemized methodology has been appearing

in

this forum. This issue has also been occasionally

been

raised in the forum earlier also. In this regard

may

I have the audacity to say that during my process

of

learning I have collected the real gems in this

field.

Fortunately they all are more than willing to

teach to

all those who are desirous of learning.

I have nothing to hide, I have even written

a few

books on this subject but I think that a

systemized

course coupled with personal contact programme can

address this issue in a better way. But you all

may be

familiar that this is easier said than done, it is

not

possible for myself alone to undertake this task.

Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All

those

desirous of learning may kindly send a brief note

as

to what type of subject matter they want to be

included in the course. Also write briefly

about

yourself so that I may utilize your services also.

It

would be still better if you could tell me as to

how

you can contribute in this pious cause.

Let me make one thing clear that if I start a

course

it would be certified course and certificate would

be

issued only and only on merit. I have seen that in

many institutes certificates are issued on

completion

of the term whether you learn anything or not. My

course and certificate will have sanctity

above all

and God willing it will be treated as an esteemed

treasure.

Waiting for your response.

Umesh Sharma. Mudit

lalkitab ,

" ganpati_1 " <ganpati_1> wrote:

>

> resp sh umesh ji;

>

several other members have also pointed that there is a

> need for formal training courses.other

branches of astrology are

> doing formal training courses for decades;

then why not for

lalkitab

> also!! that also from an expert like you who

is always ready to

help.

> sir; i know you are already overworked by

helping lk group members

> but time comes when one must expand his gyaan

;expertise so that

new

> saplings may mature.

> without guru-shishya parampara it is

impossible to learn divine

> arts .

> i feel that group members will agree that

such a step shall help all

> students; advanced learners and lalkitab

practitioners needing

> finishing touches.

>

> hence sir i once again request for setting

some insitution of

> learning lalkitab or some online course.

>

> lalkitab ,

" gopshaz " <gopshaz> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> > certainly a formal training is the need

of time.it is not a

> question

> > of having lalkitab but getting trained

under kind guidance of a

guru

> > will clear the concepts and principles

of this mystic book.

> > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be

requested to kindly start some

> > classes and courses for lalkitab

students and practitioners as

well.

> > his zeal and expertise is clearly

visible in group as ALONE he is

> > carrying the self less activity of

responding and suggesting

> remedies

> > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH

SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to

> this

> > challenge and enlighten the those asking

for a formal

> course;inspite

> > of fact that he is at present also

providing guidance to one and

> all

> > in group by responding to diverse

problems of members in distress.

>

dr gopal sharma.

>

> >

> > lalkitab ,

" Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > A formal training programme would

be very good. I also have a

> copy

> > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are

certain things that come with

> > > experience for which experienced

Gurus are required.

> > >

> > > RITU

> > >

> > > lalkitab ,

" m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in>

> > wrote:

> > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,

> > > > It is a good suggestion for

coaching class etc., but

> > > > this suggestion arose due to

all stress on one person

> > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I

have joined the group

> > > > just very few days back with

thanks to the Group

> > > > Owner, but have the feeling

that many are just pushing

> > > > querries without studying

problem themselves. First of

> > > > all how many of us have Lal

Kitab. I joined group

> > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab -

Manoj Publications

> > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study

and get querry

> > > > clarified/discussed in the

forum on his/her

> > > > observations - and not merely

informing DOB, time &

> > > > place. Let us all first inform

the Group Owner - how

> > > > many do possess the LK,

without which one can not

> > > > proceed further.

> > > > M.R. GUPTA

> > > > --- ganpati_1

<ganpati_1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > resp friends,

> > > >

> have been

following postings almost since

> > > > > begining of this

> > > > > group in order to learn

the lalkitab astrology . the

> > > > > group as a whole

> > > > > has provided scope for

growth but feel that its very

> > > > > difficult to

> > > > > learn this art by hit and

try method by following

> > > > > various

> > > > > messages .Often one gets

confused in the response

> > > > > and counter

> > > > > responses.My gut feeling

is that it is next to

> > > > > impossible to learn

> > > > > the mystery of lalkitab

without an expert guidance

> > > > > ie " guru bin gyan

> > > > > nahi! " .over the time

i have seen that sh mudit ji

> > > > > has with selfless

> > > > > zeal been responding to

almost all members seeking

> > > > > remedies and when

> > > > > he conducted a seminar it

was clear that he has

> > > > > taken a great step

> > > > > and lead to expand the

lalkitab knowledgeto every

> > > > > one interested in

> > > > > learning and practising

the lk.he often stuns the

> > > > > seeker with his

> > > > > accurate observations and

simple remedies

> > > > > i humbly request shri

mudit ji to kindly start

> > > > > courses/training

> > > > > classes for learners at

beginner level and advanced

> > > > > learners pl so

> > > > > that the learners could

rely for seeking knowledge

> > > > > and clarity in

> > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if

such a course is offered by

> > > > > panditji i will

> > > > > certainly like to join

and keeping in view the

> > > > > growing numbers of

> > > > > learners it shall be a great

help.i hope and request

> > > > > sh mudit ji to

> > > > > kindly oblige pl.

> > > >

>

thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > _______________________________

> > > >

> > > > Declare Yourself - Register

online to vote today!

> > > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Guruji,

GHALIB IS SAFAR MEIN MUJHKO SAATH LE LO;

HAJ KA SABAaB NAZAR KARUNGA HAZOOR KI.

Kulbir Singh Bains

lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in accordance

> with a systemized methodology has been appearing in

> this forum. This issue has also been occasionally been

> raised in the forum earlier also. In this regard may

> I have the audacity to say that during my process of

> learning I have collected the real gems in this field.

> Fortunately they all are more than willing to teach to

> all those who are desirous of learning.

> I have nothing to hide, I have even written a few

> books on this subject but I think that a systemized

> course coupled with personal contact programme can

> address this issue in a better way. But you all may be

> familiar that this is easier said than done, it is not

> possible for myself alone to undertake this task.

> Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All those

> desirous of learning may kindly send a brief note as

> to what type of subject matter they want to be

> included in the course. Also write briefly about

> yourself so that I may utilize your services also. It

> would be still better if you could tell me as to how

> you can contribute in this pious cause.

> Let me make one thing clear that if I start a course

> it would be certified course and certificate would be

> issued only and only on merit. I have seen that in

> many institutes certificates are issued on completion

> of the term whether you learn anything or not. My

> course and certificate will have sanctity above all

> and God willing it will be treated as an esteemed

> treasure.

>

> Waiting for your response.

>

> Umesh Sharma. Mudit

>

> lalkitab , " ganpati_1 " <ganpati_1> wrote:

> >

> > resp sh umesh ji;

> > several other members have also pointed that there is

a

> > need for formal training courses.other branches of astrology are

> > doing formal training courses for decades; then why not for

> lalkitab

> > also!! that also from an expert like you who is always ready to

> help.

> > sir; i know you are already overworked by helping lk group

members

> > but time comes when one must expand his gyaan ;expertise so that

> new

> > saplings may mature.

> > without guru-shishya parampara it is impossible to learn divine

> > arts .

> > i feel that group members will agree that such a step shall help

all

> > students; advanced learners and lalkitab practitioners needing

> > finishing touches.

> >

> > hence sir i once again request for setting some insitution of

> > learning lalkitab or some online course.

> >

> > lalkitab , " gopshaz " <gopshaz> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > > certainly a formal training is the need of time.it is not a

> > question

> > > of having lalkitab but getting trained under kind guidance of a

> guru

> > > will clear the concepts and principles of this mystic book.

> > > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be requested to kindly start

some

> > > classes and courses for lalkitab students and practitioners as

> well.

> > > his zeal and expertise is clearly visible in group as ALONE he

is

> > > carrying the self less activity of responding and suggesting

> > remedies

> > > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to

> > this

> > > challenge and enlighten the those asking for a formal

> > course;inspite

> > > of fact that he is at present also providing guidance to one

and

> > all

> > > in group by responding to diverse problems of members in

distress.

> > > dr gopal sharma.

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > A formal training programme would be very good. I also have

a

> > copy

> > > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are certain things that come with

> > > > experience for which experienced Gurus are required.

> > > >

> > > > RITU

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " m.r. gupta "

<mrgupta_in>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,

> > > > > It is a good suggestion for coaching class etc., but

> > > > > this suggestion arose due to all stress on one person

> > > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I have joined the group

> > > > > just very few days back with thanks to the Group

> > > > > Owner, but have the feeling that many are just pushing

> > > > > querries without studying problem themselves. First of

> > > > > all how many of us have Lal Kitab. I joined group

> > > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab - Manoj Publications

> > > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study and get querry

> > > > > clarified/discussed in the forum on his/her

> > > > > observations - and not merely informing DOB, time &

> > > > > place. Let us all first inform the Group Owner - how

> > > > > many do possess the LK, without which one can not

> > > > > proceed further.

> > > > > M.R. GUPTA

> > > > > --- ganpati_1 <ganpati_1> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > resp friends,

> > > > > > have been following postings almost since

> > > > > > begining of this

> > > > > > group in order to learn the lalkitab astrology . the

> > > > > > group as a whole

> > > > > > has provided scope for growth but feel that its very

> > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > learn this art by hit and try method by following

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > messages .Often one gets confused in the response

> > > > > > and counter

> > > > > > responses.My gut feeling is that it is next to

> > > > > > impossible to learn

> > > > > > the mystery of lalkitab without an expert guidance

> > > > > > ie " guru bin gyan

> > > > > > nahi! " .over the time i have seen that sh mudit ji

> > > > > > has with selfless

> > > > > > zeal been responding to almost all members seeking

> > > > > > remedies and when

> > > > > > he conducted a seminar it was clear that he has

> > > > > > taken a great step

> > > > > > and lead to expand the lalkitab knowledgeto every

> > > > > > one interested in

> > > > > > learning and practising the lk.he often stuns the

> > > > > > seeker with his

> > > > > > accurate observations and simple remedies

> > > > > > i humbly request shri mudit ji to kindly start

> > > > > > courses/training

> > > > > > classes for learners at beginner level and advanced

> > > > > > learners pl so

> > > > > > that the learners could rely for seeking knowledge

> > > > > > and clarity in

> > > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if such a course is offered by

> > > > > > panditji i will

> > > > > > certainly like to join and keeping in view the

> > > > > > growing numbers of

> > > > > > learners it shall be a great help.i hope and request

> > > > > > sh mudit ji to

> > > > > > kindly oblige pl.

> > > > > > thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _______________________________

> > > > >

> > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!

> > > > > http://vote.

October 8, 2004

Please do start the course. I am a post-graduate in English Litt.,

with an MBA. I am a working woman with a deep interest in

astrology. I find it a very vast subject which gives us deep

insights into human beings, and also links us to the universe and

God. I would love to be your student.

Best regards

Ritu

lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " <mudit982001>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Of late the issue of learning LalKitab in accordance

> with a systemized methodology has been appearing in

> this forum. This issue has also been occasionally been

> raised in the forum earlier also. In this regard may

> I have the audacity to say that during my process of

> learning I have collected the real gems in this field.

> Fortunately they all are more than willing to teach to

> all those who are desirous of learning.

> I have nothing to hide, I have even written a few

> books on this subject but I think that a systemized

> course coupled with personal contact programme can

> address this issue in a better way. But you all may be

> familiar that this is easier said than done, it is not

> possible for myself alone to undertake this task.

> Therefore lets make it a collective effort. All those

> desirous of learning may kindly send a brief note as

> to what type of subject matter they want to be

> included in the course. Also write briefly about

> yourself so that I may utilize your services also. It

> would be still better if you could tell me as to how

> you can contribute in this pious cause.

> Let me make one thing clear that if I start a course

> it would be certified course and certificate would be

> issued only and only on merit. I have seen that in

> many institutes certificates are issued on completion

> of the term whether you learn anything or not. My

> course and certificate will have sanctity above all

> and God willing it will be treated as an esteemed

> treasure.

>

> Waiting for your response.

>

> Umesh Sharma. Mudit

>

> lalkitab , " ganpati_1 " <ganpati_1> wrote:

> >

> > resp sh umesh ji;

> > several other members have also pointed that there is

a

> > need for formal training courses.other branches of astrology are

> > doing formal training courses for decades; then why not for

> lalkitab

> > also!! that also from an expert like you who is always ready to

> help.

> > sir; i know you are already overworked by helping lk group

members

> > but time comes when one must expand his gyaan ;expertise so that

> new

> > saplings may mature.

> > without guru-shishya parampara it is impossible to learn divine

> > arts .

> > i feel that group members will agree that such a step shall help

all

> > students; advanced learners and lalkitab practitioners needing

> > finishing touches.

> >

> > hence sir i once again request for setting some insitution of

> > learning lalkitab or some online course.

> >

> > lalkitab , " gopshaz " <gopshaz> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > > certainly a formal training is the need of time.it is not a

> > question

> > > of having lalkitab but getting trained under kind guidance of a

> guru

> > > will clear the concepts and principles of this mystic book.

> > > i think sh umesh sharma ji must be requested to kindly start

some

> > > classes and courses for lalkitab students and practitioners as

> well.

> > > his zeal and expertise is clearly visible in group as ALONE he

is

> > > carrying the self less activity of responding and suggesting

> > remedies

> > > to members in distress.I HOPE SH UMESH SHARMAJI WILL RESPOND to

> > this

> > > challenge and enlighten the those asking for a formal

> > course;inspite

> > > of fact that he is at present also providing guidance to one

and

> > all

> > > in group by responding to diverse problems of members in

distress.

> > > dr gopal sharma.

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > A formal training programme would be very good. I also have

a

> > copy

> > > > of the Lal Kitab, but there are certain things that come with

> > > > experience for which experienced Gurus are required.

> > > >

> > > > RITU

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " m.r. gupta "

<mrgupta_in>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > Shri Muditji/Ganpatiji,

> > > > > It is a good suggestion for coaching class etc., but

> > > > > this suggestion arose due to all stress on one person

> > > > > - i.e. respectable Muditji. I have joined the group

> > > > > just very few days back with thanks to the Group

> > > > > Owner, but have the feeling that many are just pushing

> > > > > querries without studying problem themselves. First of

> > > > > all how many of us have Lal Kitab. I joined group

> > > > > after purchasing Lal Kitab - Manoj Publications

> > > > > (Rs.150/-). Let member study and get querry

> > > > > clarified/discussed in the forum on his/her

> > > > > observations - and not merely informing DOB, time &

> > > > > place. Let us all first inform the Group Owner - how

> > > > > many do possess the LK, without which one can not

> > > > > proceed further.

> > > > > M.R. GUPTA

> > > > > --- ganpati_1 <ganpati_1> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > resp friends,

> > > > > > have been following postings almost since

> > > > > > begining of this

> > > > > > group in order to learn the lalkitab astrology . the

> > > > > > group as a whole

> > > > > > has provided scope for growth but feel that its very

> > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > learn this art by hit and try method by following

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > messages .Often one gets confused in the response

> > > > > > and counter

> > > > > > responses.My gut feeling is that it is next to

> > > > > > impossible to learn

> > > > > > the mystery of lalkitab without an expert guidance

> > > > > > ie " guru bin gyan

> > > > > > nahi! " .over the time i have seen that sh mudit ji

> > > > > > has with selfless

> > > > > > zeal been responding to almost all members seeking

> > > > > > remedies and when

> > > > > > he conducted a seminar it was clear that he has

> > > > > > taken a great step

> > > > > > and lead to expand the lalkitab knowledgeto every

> > > > > > one interested in

> > > > > > learning and practising the lk.he often stuns the

> > > > > > seeker with his

> > > > > > accurate observations and simple remedies

> > > > > > i humbly request shri mudit ji to kindly start

> > > > > > courses/training

> > > > > > classes for learners at beginner level and advanced

> > > > > > learners pl so

> > > > > > that the learners could rely for seeking knowledge

> > > > > > and clarity in

> > > > > > lalkitab intricacies.if such a course is offered by

> > > > > > panditji i will

> > > > > > certainly like to join and keeping in view the

> > > > > > growing numbers of

> > > > > > learners it shall be a great help.i hope and request

> > > > > > sh mudit ji to

> > > > > > kindly oblige pl.

> > > > > > thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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