Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Bhuwan sahib, Rajiv K Khattar sahib ik roshan dimaag ke malik lagte hain, lagta hai unki zindagi ke phalsphe par achi pakad hai aur main unke vicharon se poori tarah ahtaram rakhta hoon. Main aapse bhi kuch had tak sahmat hoon. Yeh kasmakash to vedon ke zamane se chali aa rahi hai. Hazrat Manu sahib ne pharmaya hai kissi bhi kuleen hindu ko hikmat, zahar ko door karne ya (logic ) ilm jo rogon ko door karne jaise kaamon se paisa nahin kamana chahiye jab talak ki voh poori tarah bhikhmangi ka mohtaj nahin ho jata. Chunki yeh ilm pehle teen vedon ke saath vaasta nahin rakhte aur sirf athrvaveda ki shakha hain. Maitrai upnishad bhi aise logon ke liye zanat ke dwar band batate hain. Haan kahin par shastron ne aise logon ko peshewar hokar is tarah ke ilmon se paise kamane ki izzazat di hai jinka pita to Brahmin ho aur mata vaishya(mercantile caste). Ab main aap ki baat karta hoon. Aap jane anjane vahi baat kar rahe hain jo Acharya Charak ne vaidon ilmdaano ke bari kahi thi. " agar ashwini beradar ilaaj karne ki kafiyat ke karan devtaon mein bhi nawaze jaate hain to inssano ka ilm ke zaria ilaaj karne wale duniyavi logon mein awaal kyon na honge " Tarak se to aapki baat thik lagti hai par tarikh ki gwahi lein to Rajiv sahib darusat malum padte hain. Dekhiye ashwini beradaron ki sift mein Rigved mein char sou se bhi zyada shalok hain par yajur veda aane tak voh yagya ki aahotiyon mein lagbhab apna sara hi hissa gwa baithe. Aap apne irad girad dekhiye jo jyotishi/tantrik is ilm mein mahir hain aur logon ki namuraad bimariyon ka illaj karte hain. Khud kissi na kissi nasoor ka shikaar milenge, jo kissi saza se kamtar nahi hota. Mukhtasir si baat Karen to Upanishad jinhe hum Vedanta bhi kehta hain zordar tarike se vakalat karte hain ki atma ko roshan aur mukti ke liye istemal kiya jane wala ilm mubarik hai aur baaki kissi bhi tarah ka sukh dene wala ilm gair mubarik hai aur bhi zyada agar apne faiyde ke liye kissi ko bewakoof banaya jaye to. Upnishado ne to jism ki bimariyon ko kabu karne ke liye pran ko sadhne ko kaha aur ilm chahe voh hikmat ho ya nazoomat, isse door rahne ke liye kaha. Mian Lalkitabee se purzor appeal karta hoon ki is pehlo par roshini dalein aur sheikh pervez hamid se iltija karta hoon ki islam ka is muda par nazariye bataiyen to bade sabaab ka kaam hoga Jaansheeen lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Res Rakesh jee, > > It is absolutely UNTRUE that the remedies done by some body would or > could adversely effect the astrologer. If at all , it is just > a 'waham'. Pt. Roop chand jee had foreseen such possibilities and > had said , " kitab ke bagher, farzi manmaani ya mangharant baat > waham paida kar degi aur waham ka ilaaj shayad hi kahin milata ho " > > The concept of 'rekh mein mekh'is not what has been assumed. It is > and I quote : > > " .... woh grah 'grahphal'ya pakki haalat ka grah hoga jiska asar > hamesha ke liye muqarar ho chuka hai aur uske bure asar ko tabdeel > karne ki koshish karna be-maani balki insaani taqat se baahar hoga. > Sirf khas khas parmatma tak pahunchwali aur kuchh vishesh hastiya hi > rekh mein mekh { rekh mein lekh , sooraj mekh rasi khana # 1 mein > qaid} dekh saktee hain. Magar woh bhi aakhir tabaadala hi hoga .. " > > The passage here simply means that there can not be any upaya for a > planet of 'grah phal'. If at all only 'sidhdh' godmen might be able > to perceive { rekh mein mekh dekh saktee hain } or do some thing > about that planet or change the 'taseer' of that planet. And that > too will be a 'tabaadala' an exchange where the godman takes the > suffering upon himself and in exchange provides relief to his > desciple . But for doing this one doesn't have to know any astrology > or the Lal Kitab . Then he goes on to give the example of ' > tabaadala' through Babar and Humayun story where Babar prayed to > god that his son be forgiven and instead he pay the price.It is said > that God accepted his prayers and Babar fell ill while his son > Humayun got well. > > I hope this explains the situation. > > with regards and naman to all gurujan, > > bhuwan > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > Respected all members(i mean experts ), > > Even i heard that even the astrloger gets effected by the uppayas > > suggested to somebody.But then i thought that i could be true in > > case of tantriks which means to harm somebody else. > > AND LK IS NOT THAT STUDY. > > > > as mr khattar said " About " if lal kitab astrologer tells somebody > > to do the remedy then he > > also gets the effects of that remedies on > > himself also whether done by any client of him. " ...it is true if > > lalbitab > > practitioner suggests remedy for pakka ghar . ...it is written in > > lalkitab > > itself...rekh mein mekh lagana...humayu-babar ka kissa. > > > > I STRONGLY FEEL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. > > WILL SOME BODY ENLIGHTEN US ON IT AS OTHERWISE EK NAYYA VEHAM > > SHOORU HO JAYEGA > > > > RAKESH SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Friend > > > > > > I also heard something like this in delhi seminar. One thing is > > clear that > > > not every astrologer is destined to learn and practice lalkitab > > and the > > > practitioner should not be greedy . in my opinion he should not > > expect money > > > from clients and hence he must have some other source of income > > also.The > > > lalkitab practitioner should have philanthropic bend of mind. > > > > > > About " if lal kitab astrologer tells somebody to do the remedy > > then he > > > also gets the effects of that remedies on > > > himself also whether done by any client of him. " ...it is true > if > > lalbitab > > > practitioner suggests remedy for pakka ghar . ...it is written > in > > lalkitab > > > itself...rekh mein mekh lagana...humayu-babar ka kissa. > > > > > > to be on the safer side, we must emphasise on maintaining good > > moral > > > character and respecting widows,feeding animals and plants > rather > > than > > > offering jet-action remedies. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Dear Jaansheeen Saheb I am impressed with your in-depth knowledge of Vedas and Upnishads. Keep quoting from various holy books. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - " jaansheen_e_lk " <jaansheen_e_lk <lalkitab > Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:10 PM [lalkitab] Re: Rajiv Khattar and Bhuwan > > Bhuwan sahib, Rajiv K Khattar sahib ik roshan dimaag ke malik lagte > hain, lagta hai unki zindagi ke phalsphe par achi pakad hai aur main > unke vicharon se poori tarah ahtaram rakhta hoon. Main aapse bhi kuch > had tak sahmat hoon. Yeh kasmakash to vedon ke zamane se chali aa > rahi hai. Hazrat Manu sahib ne pharmaya hai kissi bhi kuleen hindu > ko hikmat, zahar ko door karne ya (logic ) ilm jo rogon ko door karne > jaise kaamon se paisa nahin kamana chahiye jab talak ki voh poori > tarah bhikhmangi ka mohtaj nahin ho jata. Chunki yeh ilm pehle teen > vedon ke saath vaasta nahin rakhte aur sirf athrvaveda ki shakha > hain. Maitrai upnishad bhi aise logon ke liye zanat ke dwar band > batate hain. Haan kahin par shastron ne aise logon ko peshewar hokar > is tarah ke ilmon se paise kamane ki izzazat di hai jinka pita to > Brahmin ho aur mata vaishya(mercantile caste). > > Ab main aap ki baat karta hoon. Aap jane anjane vahi baat kar rahe > hain jo Acharya Charak ne vaidon ilmdaano ke bari kahi thi. > > " agar ashwini beradar ilaaj karne ki kafiyat ke karan devtaon mein > bhi nawaze jaate hain to inssano ka ilm ke zaria ilaaj karne wale > duniyavi logon mein awaal kyon na honge " > > Tarak se to aapki baat thik lagti hai par tarikh ki gwahi lein to > Rajiv sahib darusat malum padte hain. Dekhiye ashwini beradaron ki > sift mein Rigved mein char sou se bhi zyada shalok hain par yajur > veda aane tak voh yagya ki aahotiyon mein lagbhab apna sara hi hissa > gwa baithe. Aap apne irad girad dekhiye jo jyotishi/tantrik is ilm > mein mahir hain aur logon ki namuraad bimariyon ka illaj karte hain. > Khud kissi na kissi nasoor ka shikaar milenge, jo kissi saza se > kamtar nahi hota. > > Mukhtasir si baat Karen to Upanishad jinhe hum Vedanta bhi kehta hain > zordar tarike se vakalat karte hain ki atma ko roshan aur mukti ke > liye istemal kiya jane wala ilm mubarik hai aur baaki kissi bhi tarah > ka sukh dene wala ilm gair mubarik hai aur bhi zyada agar apne > faiyde ke liye kissi ko bewakoof banaya jaye to. Upnishado ne to jism > ki bimariyon ko kabu karne ke liye pran ko sadhne ko kaha aur ilm > chahe voh hikmat ho ya nazoomat, isse door rahne ke liye kaha. > > Mian Lalkitabee se purzor appeal karta hoon ki is pehlo par roshini > dalein aur sheikh pervez hamid se iltija karta hoon ki islam ka is > muda par nazariye bataiyen to bade sabaab ka kaam hoga > > Jaansheeen > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > Res Rakesh jee, > > > > It is absolutely UNTRUE that the remedies done by some body would > or > > could adversely effect the astrologer. If at all , it is just > > a 'waham'. Pt. Roop chand jee had foreseen such possibilities and > > had said , " kitab ke bagher, farzi manmaani ya mangharant baat > > waham paida kar degi aur waham ka ilaaj shayad hi kahin milata ho " > > > > The concept of 'rekh mein mekh'is not what has been assumed. It is > > and I quote : > > > > " .... woh grah 'grahphal'ya pakki haalat ka grah hoga jiska asar > > hamesha ke liye muqarar ho chuka hai aur uske bure asar ko tabdeel > > karne ki koshish karna be-maani balki insaani taqat se baahar hoga. > > Sirf khas khas parmatma tak pahunchwali aur kuchh vishesh hastiya > hi > > rekh mein mekh { rekh mein lekh , sooraj mekh rasi khana # 1 mein > > qaid} dekh saktee hain. Magar woh bhi aakhir tabaadala hi hoga .. " > > > > The passage here simply means that there can not be any upaya for a > > planet of 'grah phal'. If at all only 'sidhdh' godmen might be able > > to perceive { rekh mein mekh dekh saktee hain } or do some thing > > about that planet or change the 'taseer' of that planet. And that > > too will be a 'tabaadala' an exchange where the godman takes the > > suffering upon himself and in exchange provides relief to his > > desciple . But for doing this one doesn't have to know any > astrology > > or the Lal Kitab . Then he goes on to give the example of ' > > tabaadala' through Babar and Humayun story where Babar prayed to > > god that his son be forgiven and instead he pay the price.It is > said > > that God accepted his prayers and Babar fell ill while his son > > Humayun got well. > > > > I hope this explains the situation. > > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan, > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > > Respected all members(i mean experts ), > > > Even i heard that even the astrloger gets effected by the uppayas > > > suggested to somebody.But then i thought that i could be true in > > > case of tantriks which means to harm somebody else. > > > AND LK IS NOT THAT STUDY. > > > > > > as mr khattar said " About " if lal kitab astrologer tells > somebody > > > to do the remedy then he > > > also gets the effects of that remedies on > > > himself also whether done by any client of him. " ...it is true if > > > lalbitab > > > practitioner suggests remedy for pakka ghar . ...it is written in > > > lalkitab > > > itself...rekh mein mekh lagana...humayu-babar ka kissa. > > > > > > I STRONGLY FEEL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. > > > WILL SOME BODY ENLIGHTEN US ON IT AS OTHERWISE EK NAYYA VEHAM > > > SHOORU HO JAYEGA > > > > > > RAKESH SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Friend > > > > > > > > I also heard something like this in delhi seminar. One thing is > > > clear that > > > > not every astrologer is destined to learn and practice lalkitab > > > and the > > > > practitioner should not be greedy . in my opinion he should not > > > expect money > > > > from clients and hence he must have some other source of income > > > also.The > > > > lalkitab practitioner should have philanthropic bend of mind. > > > > > > > > About " if lal kitab astrologer tells somebody to do the > remedy > > > then he > > > > also gets the effects of that remedies on > > > > himself also whether done by any client of him. " ...it is true > > if > > > lalbitab > > > > practitioner suggests remedy for pakka ghar . ...it is written > > in > > > lalkitab > > > > itself...rekh mein mekh lagana...humayu-babar ka kissa. > > > > > > > > to be on the safer side, we must emphasise on maintaining good > > > moral > > > > character and respecting widows,feeding animals and plants > > rather > > > than > > > > offering jet-action remedies. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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