Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Dear Prabhakar jee, You have said : " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am acquainted with this equation formore that two decades when he was just a running-nose toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut of 42segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). " This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to answer your querry , on the other hand , I have yet to see you analysing any horoscope in the group. Lets refrain from such underhand remarks. sincerely, priya lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > Nice work. You tried your level best to scrutinize a > chart from each feasible slant. The consideration of > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka Grah, > remediable and non-remediable planets were described > skillfully. > > I would like to know if there is any planet present in > this chart referring to the inherited sins (Pitr-Rin) > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial > segment (for the malefic planets) is also absent. Can > you throw some illumination on this segment as well? > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the eye > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the oblique > character of Mercury in the chart. > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh Ka > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a chart > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is akin > to entering a residence without knocking its door. It > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate the > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis its > prologue. > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in the > forum with an open and positive state of mind. Once, I > inquired about this modus operandi from a prominent > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this equation for > more that two decades when he was just a running-nose > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut of 42 > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). The > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is > estimable. > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab astrology. > > > With Best Regards, > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because they > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of time > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of > > house no.2 > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move mars > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving venus > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > So that means that there cannot be any replacement > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS IS > > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA THAT > > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS AND > > WHERE THEY ARE. > > > > Before proceeding I would like comments from > > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for now > > I don't want to bother umesh ji as he would be busy > > in preparations for seminar. > > > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke charan > > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho gayi > > > > kulbir > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE DEALT > > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I HAVE > > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. > > > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are posited > > as follows; > > > > 2nd house-Saturn > > > > 6th house- Ketu > > > > 7th house- Moon > > > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter > > > > 10th house- Venus > > > > 11th house-Mercury > > > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI > > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of 2nd in > > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e in > > 9-5 navam-pancham position. > > > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA HAI, > > > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. > > > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake also. > > > > But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN owing > > to 8-6 position. In this condition although SATURN > > doesn't spoils the results of MOON, MOON will > > definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now > > SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So > > element of enmity has developed amongst the two. > > > > In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and RAHU. > > SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results of > > MOON. > > > > JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars i.e > > there effect is locked. > > > > Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye rahit. > > > > Janam din ka grah-MOON > > > > KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between > > 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as > > MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on > > MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO SUN > > RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but with > > the rider that grahas in first house cannot interact > > with grahas in 3rd house. > > > > ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period is > > of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN RAH > > JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI > > > > ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE BITHA > > HO. > > > > So MERCURY'S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd and > > its effect is going to be manifest in house no.9. > > THE second thing that is to be considered here is > > BUDH KA BHEDH. > > > > FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE > > PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND > > THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. > > > > SUN= 9X12=108 > > > > MOON=8X7=56 > > > > MARS=5X9=45 > > > > MERCURY=4X11=44 > > > > JUPITER=6X9=54 > > > > VENUS=7X10=70 > > > > SATURN=3X2=6 > > > > RAHU=2X12=24 > > > > KETU=1X6=6. > > > > TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND > > REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE > > NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN 7TH. > > > > Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, the > > element of enmity is also there. > > > > BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% > > drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI > > > > GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND > > MERCURY IN 10TH > > > > MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. > > > > MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS > > > > KULBIR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: ok. > > partner as they say the sweatmaker should know the > > taste of his products i suggest we start with our > > kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. 08:50a.m., > > chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u > > like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or do u > > want to wait till we have finished with mine. if u > > or anybody else has a better idea please contribute > > before we start. > > kulbir > > > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > > Kulbir ji, > > > > 1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a strong > > advocate of the > > case study method. Derisively called DISTANCE > > LEARNING by a few this > > is the best way to learn the book through a > > collaborative process > > overcoming geographical constraints. > > > > 2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she is, > > cast aspersions on > > the integrity of people we know to be honorable. > > Thats not EXCUSABLE. > > To have a difference of opinion with anyone is our > > right, but to be > > outright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes post > > facto is CRAP in > > my book. Since I am not here to win friends and > > influence people I > > will stick with my stand, that this guy is most > > probably a fake id and > > not worth the bother. > > > > So my dear friend, let us start by all means. To the > > extent my > > extremely limited knowledge goes I will contribute. > > I am not trying to > > be modest here. I am convinced it is not within my > > comptence to > > analyse natal charts at the current point in time. > > However should I be > > given the opportunity to be a part of a study > > group/team I shall > > accept with utmost gratitude. > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey > > <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Kulbir ji, > > > > > > With all my brainstorming and discussions, I have > > concluded that > > this > > > forum requires case studies badly. We should > > discuss one horoscope > > > extensively and all experts should comment on > > that. > > > > > > I believe that it will be a step in right > > direction. I AM WITH YOU > > IN > > > THIS INITIATIVE. Please let me know whatever I can > > do for it. I also > > > request experts to come forward for it. Thanks to > > Prabhakar ji for > > his > > > interest. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> > > > Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > [lalkitab] rakesh sahgal and priya ji re > > shishyee > > > lalkitab > > > > > > > > > i think shishyee was right. truth is really > > bitter. When he called > > me > > > a time waster, it was true but my ego was not > > accepting it and I > > order > > > to shield myself I wrote all that rubbish. > > Internally I was not at > > > ease at all. Constant introspection and > > retrospection forced me to > > > acknowledge that yes it�s true I was wasting my > > time. Thanks > > to him > > > for bringing reality to the forefront. > > > so to make amends rakesh and priya ji i suggest > > that it is high time > > > that we start analysis of kundalis, after long > > deliberations with > > > learned scholars i have come to the conclusion > > that this is the only > > > way to learn and understand lalkitab. all alone i > > don't think that > > i > > > am capable of analysing a kundali so i require ur > > help. > > > i recommend that either of u two select a kundali > > and let's start > > with > > > it. bhuwan would surely guide us where we fail. i > > have taken > > prabhakar > > > ji in confidence he is ready to put final word to > > the analysis. I > > > STRONGLY BEG S. AMARJIT SINGH THIND ALSO TO HELP > > US. > > > anybody else who is also of our level i.e. > > begginers can also join > > in please. > > > in anticipation > > > kulbir > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Mail - 50x more storage than other > > providers! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Dear Priya Ji, (A). Believe me, the gentleman (running-nose toddler guy) was simply reluctant to tell me anything, and was trying to hide some " Hidden Treasure " from me. Instead he tried to confuse me in some irrelevant matters. I would not have used such words If, there were even a little piece of honesty in his approach. (B). Secondly, I never felt the need to analyse a Kundli in the forum Since, the other senior collegues namely S/Sh.Mudit ji, Rajeev Khattar ji, Punit ji, and Lalkitabee Ji are doing this work quite efficiently. Finally. yes, I agree that one should refrain from using such remarks. sincerely, Yograj Prabhakar --- bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: > Dear Prabhakar jee, > > You have said : > > " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am acquainted > with this > equation formore that two decades when he was just a > running-nose > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut of > 42segments of > the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). " > > This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to > answer your querry , > on the other hand , I have yet to see you analysing > any horoscope in > the group. > > Lets refrain from such underhand remarks. > > > sincerely, > > priya > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > Nice work. You tried your level best to scrutinize > a > > chart from each feasible slant. The consideration > of > > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka > Grah, > > remediable and non-remediable planets were > described > > skillfully. > > > > I would like to know if there is any planet > present in > > this chart referring to the inherited sins > (Pitr-Rin) > > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial > > segment (for the malefic planets) is also absent. > Can > > you throw some illumination on this segment as > well? > > > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the eye > > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the > oblique > > character of Mercury in the chart. > > > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh Ka > > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a > chart > > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is > akin > > to entering a residence without knocking its door. > It > > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate > the > > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis its > > prologue. > > > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in > the > > forum with an open and positive state of mind. > Once, I > > inquired about this modus operandi from a > prominent > > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the > > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this equation > for > > more that two decades when he was just a > running-nose > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > of 42 > > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). > The > > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is > > estimable. > > > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to > > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab astrology. > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, > > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because > they > > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of > time > > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of > > > house no.2 > > > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move > mars > > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving > venus > > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > > > So that means that there cannot be any > replacement > > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS > IS > > > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA > THAT > > > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS > AND > > > WHERE THEY ARE. > > > > > > Before proceeding I would like comments from > > > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for > now > > > I don't want to bother umesh ji as he would be > busy > > > in preparations for seminar. > > > > > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke > charan > > > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho > gayi > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE > DEALT > > > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I > HAVE > > > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. > > > > > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are > posited > > > as follows; > > > > > > 2nd house-Saturn > > > > > > 6th house- Ketu > > > > > > 7th house- Moon > > > > > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter > > > > > > 10th house- Venus > > > > > > 11th house-Mercury > > > > > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > > > > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI > > > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of > 2nd in > > > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e > in > > > 9-5 navam-pancham position. > > > > > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA > HAI, > > > > > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. > > > > > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake > also. > > > > > > But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN > owing > > > to 8-6 position. In this condition although > SATURN > > > doesn't spoils the results of MOON, MOON will > > > definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now > > > SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So > > > element of enmity has developed amongst the two. > > > > > > In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and > RAHU. > > > SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results > of > > > MOON. > > > > > > JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars > i.e > > > there effect is locked. > > > > > > Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye > rahit. > > > > > > Janam din ka grah-MOON > > > > > > KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between > > > > 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as > > > MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on > > > MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO > SUN > > > RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but > with > > > the rider that grahas in first house cannot > interact > > > with grahas in 3rd house. > > > > > > ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period > is > > > of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN > RAH > > > JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI > > > > > > ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE > BITHA > > > HO. > > > > > > So MERCURY'S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd > and > > > its effect is going to be manifest in house > no.9. > > > THE second thing that is to be considered here > is > > > BUDH KA BHEDH. > > > > > > FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE > > > PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED > AND > > > THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. > > > > > > SUN= 9X12=108 > > > > > > MOON=8X7=56 > > > > > > MARS=5X9=45 > > > > > > MERCURY=4X11=44 > > > > > > JUPITER=6X9=54 > > > > > > VENUS=7X10=70 > > > > > > SATURN=3X2=6 > > > > > > RAHU=2X12=24 > > > > > > KETU=1X6=6. > > > > > > TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND > > > REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE > > > NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN > 7TH. > > > > > > Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, > the > > > element of enmity is also there. > > > > > > BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% > > > drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI > > > > > > GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND > > > MERCURY IN 10TH > > > > > > MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. > > > > > > MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS > > > > > > KULBIR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: ok. > > > partner as they say the sweatmaker should know > the > > > taste of his products i suggest we start with > our > > > kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. > 08:50a.m., > > > chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u > > > like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or > do u > > > want to wait till we have finished with mine. if > u > > > or anybody else has a better idea please > contribute > > > before we start. > > > kulbir > > > > > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > > > Kulbir ji, > > > > > > 1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a > strong > > > advocate of the > > > case study method. Derisively called DISTANCE > > > LEARNING by a few this > > > is the best way to learn the book through a > > > collaborative process > > > overcoming geographical constraints. > > > > > > 2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she > is, > > > cast aspersions on > > > the integrity of people we know to be honorable. > > > Thats not EXCUSABLE. > > > To have a difference of opinion with anyone is > our > > > right, but to be > > > outright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes > post > > > facto is CRAP in > > > my book. Since I am not here to win friends and > > > influence people I > > > will stick with my stand, that this guy is most > > > probably a fake id and > > > not worth the bother. > > > > > > So my dear friend, let us start by all means. To > the > > > extent my > > > extremely limited knowledge goes I will > contribute. > > > I am not trying to > > > be modest here. I am convinced it is not within > my > > > comptence to > > > analyse natal charts at the current point in > time. > > > However should I be > > > given the opportunity to be a part of a study > > > group/team I shall > > > accept with utmost gratitude. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey > > > <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > > Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > With all my brainstorming and discussions, I > have > > > concluded that > > > this > > > > forum requires case studies badly. We should > > > discuss one horoscope > > > > extensively and all experts should comment on > > > that. > > > > > > > > I believe that it will be a step in right > > > direction. I AM WITH YOU > > > IN > > > > THIS INITIATIVE. Please let me know whatever I > can > > > do for it. I also > > > > request experts to come forward for it. Thanks > to > > > Prabhakar ji for > > > his > > > > interest. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> > > > > Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > > [lalkitab] rakesh sahgal and priya ji > re > > > shishyee > > > > lalkitab > > > > > > > > > > > > i think shishyee was right. truth is really > > > bitter. When he called > > > me > > > > a time waster, it was true but my ego was not > > > accepting it and I > > > order > > > > to shield myself I wrote all that rubbish. > > > Internally I was not at > > > > ease at all. Constant introspection and > > > retrospection forced me to > > > > acknowledge that yes it�s true I was wasting > my > > > time. Thanks > > > to him > > > > for bringing reality to the forefront. > > > > so to make amends rakesh and priya ji i > suggest > > > that it is high time > > > > that we start analysis of kundalis, after long > > > deliberations with > > > > learned scholars i have come to the conclusion > > > that this is the only > > > > way to learn and understand lalkitab. all > alone i > > > don't think that > > > i > > > > am capable of analysing a kundali so i require > ur > > > help. > > > > i recommend that either of u two select a > kundali > > > and let's start > > > with > > > > it. bhuwan would surely guide us where we > fail. i > > > have taken > > > prabhakar > > > > ji in confidence he is ready to put final word > to > > > the analysis. I > > > > STRONGLY BEG S. AMARJIT SINGH THIND ALSO TO > HELP > > > US. > > > > anybody else who is also of our level i.e. > > > begginers can also join > > > in please. > > > > in anticipation > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > Mail - 50x more storage than other > > > providers! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Dear Gurujans, I would like to know more about the treatment of the Varshphal versus the Natal Chart. Allow me to provide an example. An individual decides to place saturn in their 3rd house by wearing a ring. Now by wearing the ring will Saturn be moved to the 3rd house in the Natal Chart only? Hence saturn in the varshpal would move accordingly. or by wearing the ring does this move saturn in 3rd house only in the Varshphal and not the Natal Chart or does it move Saturn in the 3rd house for both the Varshphal and the Natal Chart. If someone could be so kind as to tell me the proper placement. I also previously asked about Varshpal upai and natal chart upai and I just want to confirm what I understand, that is as follows: it is important to do upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please confirm my assumptions. Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a great deal from you all. H. Walia --- bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: > Dear Prabhakar jee, > > You have said : > > " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am acquainted > with this > equation formore that two decades when he was just a > running-nose > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut of > 42segments of > the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). " > > This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to > answer your querry , > on the other hand , I have yet to see you analysing > any horoscope in > the group. > > Lets refrain from such underhand remarks. > > > sincerely, > > priya > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > Nice work. You tried your level best to scrutinize > a > > chart from each feasible slant. The consideration > of > > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka > Grah, > > remediable and non-remediable planets were > described > > skillfully. > > > > I would like to know if there is any planet > present in > > this chart referring to the inherited sins > (Pitr-Rin) > > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial > > segment (for the malefic planets) is also absent. > Can > > you throw some illumination on this segment as > well? > > > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the eye > > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the > oblique > > character of Mercury in the chart. > > > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh Ka > > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a > chart > > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is > akin > > to entering a residence without knocking its door. > It > > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate > the > > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis its > > prologue. > > > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in > the > > forum with an open and positive state of mind. > Once, I > > inquired about this modus operandi from a > prominent > > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the > > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this equation > for > > more that two decades when he was just a > running-nose > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > of 42 > > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). > The > > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is > > estimable. > > > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to > > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab astrology. > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, > > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because > they > > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of > time > > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of > > > house no.2 > > > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move > mars > > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving > venus > > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > > > So that means that there cannot be any > replacement > > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS > IS > > > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA > THAT > > > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS > AND > > > WHERE THEY ARE. > > > > > > Before proceeding I would like comments from > > > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for > now > > > I don't want to bother umesh ji as he would be > busy > > > in preparations for seminar. > > > > > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke > charan > > > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho > gayi > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE > DEALT > > > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I > HAVE > > > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. > > > > > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are > posited > > > as follows; > > > > > > 2nd house-Saturn > > > > > > 6th house- Ketu > > > > > > 7th house- Moon > > > > > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter > > > > > > 10th house- Venus > > > > > > 11th house-Mercury > > > > > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > > > > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI > > > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of > 2nd in > > > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e > in > > > 9-5 navam-pancham position. > > > > > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA > HAI, > > > > > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. > > > > > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake > also. > === message truncated === _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 dear walia jee, As per my knowoledge, just by wearing a ring the grah can not move to 3rd house unless the greha should be aspecting 3rd house.MEANS THERE SHOULD BE A PATH CREATED THRU' AN ASPECT. with regards, rakesh sharmaharrit pall <harritpall wrote: Dear Gurujans,I would like to know more about the treatment of theVarshphal versus the Natal Chart. Allow me to provide an example. An individual decidesto place saturn in their 3rd house by wearing a ring. Now by wearing the ring will Saturn be moved to the3rd house in the Natal Chart only? Hence saturn inthe varshpal would move accordingly.or by wearing the ring does this move saturn in 3rdhouse only in the Varshphal and not the Natal Chart or does it move Saturn in the 3rd house for both theVarshphal and the Natal Chart.If someone could be so kind as to tell me the properplacement. I also previously asked about Varshpal upai and natalchart upai and I just want to confirm what Iunderstand, that is as follows: it is important to doupai in both charts for malefic planets. Pleaseconfirm my assumptions.Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned agreat deal from you all.H. Walia--- bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: > Dear Prabhakar jee,> > You have said :> > " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am acquainted> with this > equation formore that two decades when he was just a> running-nose > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut of> 42segments of > the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane)." > > This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to> answer your querry , > on the other hand , I have yet to see you analysing> any horoscope in > the group.> > Lets refrain from such underhand remarks.> > > sincerely,> > priya> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> wrote:> > Dear Kulbir Ji,> > > > Nice work. You tried your level best to scrutinize> a> > chart from each feasible slant. The consideration> of> > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka> Grah,> > remediable and non-remediable planets were> described> > skillfully. > > > > I would like to know if there is any planet> present in> > this chart referring to the inherited sins> (Pitr-Rin)> > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial> > segment (for the malefic planets) is also absent.> Can> > you throw some illumination on this segment as> well?> > > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the eye> > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the> oblique> > character of Mercury in the chart.> > > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh Ka> > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a> chart> > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is> akin> > to entering a residence without knocking its door.> It> > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate> the> > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis its> > prologue. > > > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in> the> > forum with an open and positive state of mind.> Once, I> > inquired about this modus operandi from a> prominent> > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the> > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this equation> for> > more that two decades when he was just a> running-nose> > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut> of 42> > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane).> The> > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is> > estimable. > > > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to> > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab astrology.> > > > > > With Best Regards,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote:> > > > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2> > > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th,> > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep.> > > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because> they> > > are planets of pakka ghars> > > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of> time> > > of birth and hence upayarahit.> > > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of> > > house no.2> > > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move> mars> > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th .> > > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved.> > > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving> venus> > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective.> > > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > > > So that means that there cannot be any> replacement> > > or reallocation of grahas.> > > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS> IS> > > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA> THAT> > > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS> AND> > > WHERE THEY ARE.> > > > > > Before proceeding I would like comments from> > > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for> now> > > I don't want to bother umesh ji as he would be> busy> > > in preparations for seminar.> > > > > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke> charan> > > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho> gayi> > > > > > kulbir> > > > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE> DEALT> > > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I> HAVE> > > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE.> > > > > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are> posited> > > as follows;> > > > > > 2nd house-Saturn> > > > > > 6th house- Ketu> > > > > > 7th house- Moon> > > > > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter> > > > > > 10th house- Venus> > > > > > 11th house-Mercury> > > > > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > > > > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI> > > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of> 2nd in> > > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e> in> > > 9-5 navam-pancham position.> > > > > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA> HAI,> > > > > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI.> > > > > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake> also.> === message truncated === _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Gurujans, it is important to do upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please confirm my assumptions. Meenu Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a great deal from you all. --- rakesh sharma <rakeshrajnisharma wrote: > dear walia jee, > As per my knowoledge, just by wearing a ring the > grah can not move to 3rd house unless the greha > should be aspecting 3rd house.MEANS THERE SHOULD BE > A PATH CREATED THRU' AN ASPECT. > with regards, > rakesh sharma > > harrit pall <harritpall wrote: > Dear Gurujans, > > I would like to know more about the treatment of the > Varshphal versus the Natal Chart. > > Allow me to provide an example. An individual > decides > to place saturn in their 3rd house by wearing a > ring. > Now by wearing the ring will Saturn be moved to the > 3rd house in the Natal Chart only? Hence saturn in > the varshpal would move accordingly. > > or by wearing the ring does this move saturn in 3rd > house only in the Varshphal and not the Natal Chart > > or does it move Saturn in the 3rd house for both the > Varshphal and the Natal Chart. > > If someone could be so kind as to tell me the proper > placement. > I also previously asked about Varshpal upai and > natal > chart upai and I just want to confirm what I > understand, that is as follows: it is important to > do > upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please > confirm my assumptions. > > Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a > great deal from you all. > > H. Walia > > --- bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya wrote: > > Dear Prabhakar jee, > > > > You have said : > > > > " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am > acquainted > > with this > > equation formore that two decades when he was just > a > > running-nose > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > of > > 42segments of > > the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). " > > > > This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to > > answer your querry , > > on the other hand , I have yet to see you > analysing > > any horoscope in > > the group. > > > > Lets refrain from such underhand remarks. > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > Nice work. You tried your level best to > scrutinize > > a > > > chart from each feasible slant. The > consideration > > of > > > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > > > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka > > Grah, > > > remediable and non-remediable planets were > > described > > > skillfully. > > > > > > I would like to know if there is any planet > > present in > > > this chart referring to the inherited sins > > (Pitr-Rin) > > > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial > > > segment (for the malefic planets) is also > absent. > > Can > > > you throw some illumination on this segment as > > well? > > > > > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the > eye > > > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the > > oblique > > > character of Mercury in the chart. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh > Ka > > > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a > > chart > > > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is > > akin > > > to entering a residence without knocking its > door. > > It > > > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate > > the > > > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis > its > > > prologue. > > > > > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in > > the > > > forum with an open and positive state of mind. > > Once, I > > > inquired about this modus operandi from a > > prominent > > > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the > > > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this > equation > > for > > > more that two decades when he was just a > > running-nose > > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > > of 42 > > > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 > Khane). > > The > > > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is > > > estimable. > > > > > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to > > > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab > astrology. > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in > 9th, > > > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because > > they > > > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet > of > > time > > > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation > of > > > > house no.2 > > > > > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move > > mars > > > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving > > venus > > > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > > > > > So that means that there cannot be any > > replacement > > > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND > PLANETS > === message truncated === _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Meenu, My understanding is that the upai should be done based on the Varshphal, as the planets are transiting in different houses each year. The janam chart should be taken into account as an overall understanding of the highway one's life will be on and what kind of scenic trip it will be and what kind of vehicle. As such, the varshphal upai can be treated more like the holes or obstacles in the road so as to mitigate the overall negative effects during that year. Regards, Iqbal Toronto, Canada lalkitab , harrit pall <harritpall> wrote: > Dear Gurujans, it is important to do > upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please > confirm my assumptions. > > Meenu > > Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a > great deal from you all. > --- rakesh sharma <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > > dear walia jee, > > As per my knowoledge, just by wearing a ring the > > grah can not move to 3rd house unless the greha > > should be aspecting 3rd house.MEANS THERE SHOULD BE > > A PATH CREATED THRU' AN ASPECT. > > with regards, > > rakesh sharma > > > > harrit pall <harritpall> wrote: > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > I would like to know more about the treatment of the > > Varshphal versus the Natal Chart. > > > > Allow me to provide an example. An individual > > decides > > to place saturn in their 3rd house by wearing a > > ring. > > Now by wearing the ring will Saturn be moved to the > > 3rd house in the Natal Chart only? Hence saturn in > > the varshpal would move accordingly. > > > > or by wearing the ring does this move saturn in 3rd > > house only in the Varshphal and not the Natal Chart > > > > or does it move Saturn in the 3rd house for both the > > Varshphal and the Natal Chart. > > > > If someone could be so kind as to tell me the proper > > placement. > > I also previously asked about Varshpal upai and > > natal > > chart upai and I just want to confirm what I > > understand, that is as follows: it is important to > > do > > upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please > > confirm my assumptions. > > > > Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a > > great deal from you all. > > > > H. Walia > > > > --- bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > > > Dear Prabhakar jee, > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am > > acquainted > > > with this > > > equation formore that two decades when he was just > > a > > > running-nose > > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > > of > > > 42segments of > > > the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). " > > > > > > This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to > > > answer your querry , > > > on the other hand , I have yet to see you > > analysing > > > any horoscope in > > > the group. > > > > > > Lets refrain from such underhand remarks. > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > > > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > Nice work. You tried your level best to > > scrutinize > > > a > > > > chart from each feasible slant. The > > consideration > > > of > > > > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > > > > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka > > > Grah, > > > > remediable and non-remediable planets were > > > described > > > > skillfully. > > > > > > > > I would like to know if there is any planet > > > present in > > > > this chart referring to the inherited sins > > > (Pitr-Rin) > > > > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial > > > > segment (for the malefic planets) is also > > absent. > > > Can > > > > you throw some illumination on this segment as > > > well? > > > > > > > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the > > eye > > > > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the > > > oblique > > > > character of Mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh > > Ka > > > > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a > > > chart > > > > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is > > > akin > > > > to entering a residence without knocking its > > door. > > > It > > > > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate > > > the > > > > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis > > its > > > > prologue. > > > > > > > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in > > > the > > > > forum with an open and positive state of mind. > > > Once, I > > > > inquired about this modus operandi from a > > > prominent > > > > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the > > > > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this > > equation > > > for > > > > more that two decades when he was just a > > > running-nose > > > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > > > of 42 > > > > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 > > Khane). > > > The > > > > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is > > > > estimable. > > > > > > > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to > > > > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > > > > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in > > 9th, > > > > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because > > > they > > > > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > > > > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet > > of > > > time > > > > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation > > of > > > > > house no.2 > > > > > > > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move > > > mars > > > > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > > > > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving > > > venus > > > > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > > > > > > > So that means that there cannot be any > > > replacement > > > > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > > > > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND > > PLANETS > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Meenu, As an afterthought however, there are certain things which one can do based on the janam kundli as well. For instance, I have Jupiter in lagna, so the colors associated with it along with different elements (ex: wearing gold) can be used to heighten the positive effects of a planet in the birthchart. These are my thoughts, but I'm eager to see others' responses. Regards, Iqbal lalkitab , " punjabilovebug " <punjabilovebug> wrote: > Dear Meenu, > > My understanding is that the upai should be done based on the > Varshphal, as the planets are transiting in different houses each > year. The janam chart should be taken into account as an overall > understanding of the highway one's life will be on and what kind of > scenic trip it will be and what kind of vehicle. As such, the > varshphal upai can be treated more like the holes or obstacles in > the road so as to mitigate the overall negative effects during that > year. > > Regards, > Iqbal > Toronto, Canada > > > lalkitab , harrit pall <harritpall> wrote: > > Dear Gurujans, it is important to do > > upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please > > confirm my assumptions. > > > > Meenu > > > > Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a > > great deal from you all. > > --- rakesh sharma <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > > > > dear walia jee, > > > As per my knowoledge, just by wearing a ring the > > > grah can not move to 3rd house unless the greha > > > should be aspecting 3rd house.MEANS THERE SHOULD BE > > > A PATH CREATED THRU' AN ASPECT. > > > with regards, > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > harrit pall <harritpall> wrote: > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > I would like to know more about the treatment of the > > > Varshphal versus the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Allow me to provide an example. An individual > > > decides > > > to place saturn in their 3rd house by wearing a > > > ring. > > > Now by wearing the ring will Saturn be moved to the > > > 3rd house in the Natal Chart only? Hence saturn in > > > the varshpal would move accordingly. > > > > > > or by wearing the ring does this move saturn in 3rd > > > house only in the Varshphal and not the Natal Chart > > > > > > or does it move Saturn in the 3rd house for both the > > > Varshphal and the Natal Chart. > > > > > > If someone could be so kind as to tell me the proper > > > placement. > > > I also previously asked about Varshpal upai and > > > natal > > > chart upai and I just want to confirm what I > > > understand, that is as follows: it is important to > > > do > > > upai in both charts for malefic planets. Please > > > confirm my assumptions. > > > > > > Thank you all for your guidance, I have learned a > > > great deal from you all. > > > > > > H. Walia > > > > > > --- bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabhakar jee, > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > " He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am > > > acquainted > > > > with this > > > > equation formore that two decades when he was just > > > a > > > > running-nose > > > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > > > of > > > > 42segments of > > > > the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). " > > > > > > > > This is not in good taste. He atleast tried to > > > > answer your querry , > > > > on the other hand , I have yet to see you > > > analysing > > > > any horoscope in > > > > the group. > > > > > > > > Lets refrain from such underhand remarks. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Nice work. You tried your level best to > > > scrutinize > > > > a > > > > > chart from each feasible slant. The > > > consideration > > > > of > > > > > aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & > > > > > confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka > > > > Grah, > > > > > remediable and non-remediable planets were > > > > described > > > > > skillfully. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know if there is any planet > > > > present in > > > > > this chart referring to the inherited sins > > > > (Pitr-Rin) > > > > > or it is free from any such fault? The remedial > > > > > segment (for the malefic planets) is also > > > absent. > > > > Can > > > > > you throw some illumination on this segment as > > > > well? > > > > > > > > > > The silver lining in this whole study is, the > > > eye > > > > > opening arithmetical equation to divulge the > > > > oblique > > > > > character of Mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh > > > Ka > > > > > Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a > > > > chart > > > > > without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is > > > > akin > > > > > to entering a residence without knocking its > > > door. > > > > It > > > > > is implausible that one is capable to appreciate > > > > the > > > > > true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis > > > its > > > > > prologue. > > > > > > > > > > You were kind enough to discuss this formula in > > > > the > > > > > forum with an open and positive state of mind. > > > > Once, I > > > > > inquired about this modus operandi from a > > > > prominent > > > > > affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the > > > > > veracity, that, I am acquainted with this > > > equation > > > > for > > > > > more that two decades when he was just a > > > > running-nose > > > > > toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut > > > > of 42 > > > > > segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 > > > Khane). > > > > The > > > > > way it has been discussed by you honestly, is > > > > > estimable. > > > > > > > > > > Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to > > > > > enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in > > > 9th, > > > > > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because > > > > they > > > > > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet > > > of > > > > time > > > > > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation > > > of > > > > > > house no.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move > > > > mars > > > > > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving > > > > venus > > > > > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > So that means that there cannot be any > > > > replacement > > > > > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > > > > > > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND > > > PLANETS > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > _________ALL- NEW > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger. 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