Paid Consultancy

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Dear Members,

 

I endorse the idea of payment for

consultancy. Please have a mechanism evolved.

 

In the mechanism can it be introduced

that a person who is suggested a remedy, reports back its efficacy or lack of

it - should be re-imbursed or given a free reading

for a new horoscope of her family? This should help us to build a data bank of

successful remedies.

 

As members have covered various aspects (both

pros and cons) of this issue quite succinctly, nothing much is there to say.

 

However there is a perspective that I’d

like to bring forward:

 

All the experts at this forum are aware

of the ins and outs, the moral issues involved in receiving payment for

consultancy. They continuously struggle with the dilemma - whether to take

money or not.

 

It is a very common belief that free astrological

advice is good. But is there enough

verifiable evidence for this to become a certain truth?

 

My submission is that the experts are

themselves evolving. They learn, re-learn, test themselves and only through the

fire of experiences they rise in their skill. Let us allow them to evolve. A

stage shall come in every experts life that at that

point he/she herself will work for the sheer joy of distributing knowledge.

 

Till that happens, let us support them.

Let us pay for the advice. A right advice at the right time saves a lot and

makes you gain a lot. Win-win situation.

 

I have paid for and as well as obtained

free various astrological advices. Some have worked, some did not. From an

expert in this forum I have received free advice albeit I have promised to pay

him when my cash flow starts ( which unfortunately has

not yet started ).

 

 

bye

Sheikh Pervez Hameed

 

[Guest guest]

vasumati ji, very practical statement jyotish comes under the purview of saturn and free remedies don't work although lalkitabee has been contributing a lot for free but at heart i know he knows this is wrong there should be some token fees.

kulbirvasumati padhye <vasumatipadhye wrote:

 

Namaskar

yes, i agree with the statement that a reader, i mean who is expecting some advice about his future from respected and expert astrolgers should pay some fees for this.Please , please i don't want any rude, dirty coments on my reply.Just listen to me first.

My father helped a young dentist for the place of his clinic.He now called my father as his "Sage Chacha", so he never accepts money from us for checking.But everytime we feel ashamed, we told him to accept some fees( consultancy) but no, we feel like a sandwitch.(Dusare Doctor ko dikha bhi nahi sakate kyonki use pata chalte voh rishata khatam kar dega).

Second most most important thing some experts astrologers sacrifices their valuable time ( phone bill for internet too) spending hours and hours for solving the problems of others so they are deserve for it.

In old days we pay " Gurudakshina" then why not now? You are the experts, you are not like others, who accepts 500 rupees for only one question and result nothing.In my point of view if the Lalkitab Group accepts some fees,whatsoever,they can save it for Seminars, Atrological books or weekly magazines( for publishing)

Yes, some time a reader who is asking you for an advice and ready to pay you some money and if his economical condition is not good, but then he can send you atleast 101/- ruppes as "Gurudakshina".and anybody feel embrasing then,he( Astrologer) can send that check( It is not an insult,it is his " Mehanat ki Kamai" )to any Aanathashram or Aandhashram or in helping some helpless,poor people who can not afford court fees or educational fees.Why there are so much dirty coments on this matter? if we can spend money on Dirty films(useless film stars who killed men and deer), fashion shows,parties,cosmetics ,bikes(for impression) then why should not we pay for good advice for our future? A good astrologer who gives us confidence, positive approach is always deserve for fees.Yes, i do not want to remain in any " Debt"( Mufta ki salaha ko koi mahatva nahi deta,Koi "thank you" bhi nahi kahata )

Yes, i am not an astrloger,well i am also not spending my money on phone bills for internet , i am not able to anlyse any kundli or prediction, i only have some remedies and i am learning astrology so i want to to share my views and want to offer some help.so if anybody ask me about fees( as it is happened before and i told that member that i am not expert, she offers me money but i am not deseved for that)

So dear members, readers think on it.Please i am not making insult of anybody or not making fun of anybody.

Regards

vasumati

 

 

 

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Kulbir ji,

 

If we go by philosophy, taking fees may not be the right thing.

According to Hindu tradition, astrologer should not ask for money but

he can take gifts etc. in return. Even in Lal Kitab, charging for

remedies article is mentioned not the constancy service. What do you

think?

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

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ceeta bains <ceetabains

Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:28:52 -0700 (PDT)

Re: [lalkitab] Re: Paid Consultancy

lalkitab

 

 

vasumati ji, very practical statement jyotish comes under the purview

of saturn and free remedies don't work although lalkitabee has been

contributing a lot for free but at heart i know he knows this is

wrong there should be some token fees.

kulbir

 

vasumati padhye <vasumatipadhye wrote:

 

Namaskar

yes, i agree with the statement that a reader, i mean who is expecting

some advice about his future from respected and expert astrolgers

should pay some fees for this.Please , please i don't want any rude,

dirty coments on my reply.Just listen to me first.

My father helped a young dentist for the place of his clinic.He now

called my father as his " Sage Chacha " , so he never accepts money from

us for checking.But everytime we feel ashamed, we told him to accept

some fees( consultancy) but no, we feel like a sandwitch.(Dusare

Doctor ko dikha bhi nahi sakate kyonki use pata chalte voh rishata

khatam kar dega).

Second most most important thing some experts astrologers sacrifices

their valuable time ( phone bill for internet too) spending hours and

hours for solving the problems of others so they are deserve for it.

In old days we pay " Gurudakshina " then why not now? You are the

experts, you are not like others, who accepts 500 rupees for only one

question and result nothing.In my point of view if the Lalkitab Group

accepts some fees,whatsoever,they can save it for Seminars,

Atrological books or weekly magazines( for publishing)

Yes, some time a reader who is asking you for an advice and ready to

pay you some money and if his economical condition is not good, but

then he can send you atleast 101/- ruppes as " Gurudakshina " .and

anybody feel embrasing then,he( Astrologer) can send that check( It is

not an insult,it is his " Mehanat ki Kamai " )to any Aanathashram or

Aandhashram or in helping some helpless,poor people who can not afford

court fees or educational fees.Why there are so much dirty coments on

this matter? if we can spend money on Dirty films(useless film stars

who killed men and deer), fashion shows,parties,cosmetics ,bikes(for

impression) then why should not we pay for good advice for our future?

A good astrologer who gives us confidence, positive approach is always

deserve for fees.Yes, i do not want to remain in any " Debt " ( Mufta ki

salaha ko koi mahatva nahi deta,Koi " thank you " bhi nahi kahata )

Yes, i am not an astrloger,well i am also not spending my money on

phone bills for internet , i am not able to anlyse any kundli or

prediction, i only have some remedies and i am learning astrology so

i want to to share my views and want to offer some help.so if anybody

ask me about fees( as it is happened before and i told that member

that i am not expert, she offers me money but i am not deseved for

that)

So dear members, readers think on it.Please i am not making insult of

anybody or not making fun of anybody.

Regards

vasumati

 

 

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hi all,

I request please do not raise fee issue on this group. paying fee is a personal matter and can be handled personally not thru discussion group otherwise charm of it will be lost and most of the people would thing this a paid group and will not participate in this. i request if somebody interested in paying gift or anything to any astrloger concerned can do so by personally contating him . Now it upto the astroger to decide whether he is interested in this or not,

i request all gurujaan to avoid this.

 

Regards

Mukesh Anand

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey [punitp] Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:12 AMlalkitab Subject: Re: [lalkitab] Re: Paid Consultancy

Kulbir ji,If we go by philosophy, taking fees may not be the right thing.According to Hindu tradition, astrologer should not ask for money buthe can take gifts etc. in return. Even in Lal Kitab, charging forremedies article is mentioned not the constancy service. What do youthink?Regards,Punit Pandey-ceeta bains <ceetabainsTue, 7 Sep 2004 22:28:52 -0700 (PDT)Re: [lalkitab] Re: Paid Consultancylalkitab vasumati ji, very practical statement jyotish comes under the purviewof saturn and free remedies don't work although lalkitabee has beencontributing a lot for free but at heart i know he knows this iswrong there should be some token fees.kulbirvasumati padhye <vasumatipadhye wrote:Namaskaryes, i agree with the statement that a reader, i mean who is expectingsome advice about his future from respected and expert astrolgersshould pay some fees for this.Please , please i don't want any rude,dirty coments on my reply.Just listen to me first.My father helped a young dentist for the place of his clinic.He nowcalled my father as his "Sage Chacha", so he never accepts money fromus for checking.But everytime we feel ashamed, we told him to acceptsome fees( consultancy) but no, we feel like a sandwitch.(DusareDoctor ko dikha bhi nahi sakate kyonki use pata chalte voh rishatakhatam kar dega).Second most most important thing some experts astrologers sacrifices their valuable time ( phone bill for internet too) spending hours andhours for solving the problems of others so they are deserve for it.In old days we pay " Gurudakshina" then why not now? You are theexperts, you are not like others, who accepts 500 rupees for only onequestion and result nothing.In my point of view if the Lalkitab Groupaccepts some fees,whatsoever,they can save it for Seminars,Atrological books or weekly magazines( for publishing)Yes, some time a reader who is asking you for an advice and ready topay you some money and if his economical condition is not good, butthen he can send you atleast 101/- ruppes as "Gurudakshina".andanybody feel embrasing then,he( Astrologer) can send that check( It isnot an insult,it is his " Mehanat ki Kamai" )to any Aanathashram orAandhashram or in helping some helpless,poor people who can not affordcourt fees or educational fees.Why there are so much dirty coments onthis matter? if we can spend money on Dirty films(useless film starswho killed men and deer), fashion shows,parties,cosmetics ,bikes(forimpression) then why should not we pay for good advice for our future?A good astrologer who gives us confidence, positive approach is alwaysdeserve for fees.Yes, i do not want to remain in any " Debt"( Mufta kisalaha ko koi mahatva nahi deta,Koi "thank you" bhi nahi kahata )Yes, i am not an astrloger,well i am also not spending my money onphone bills for internet , i am not able to anlyse any kundli orprediction, i only have some remedies and i am learning astrology soi want to to share my views and want to offer some help.so if anybodyask me about fees( as it is happened before and i told that memberthat i am not expert, she offers me money but i am not deseved forthat)So dear members, readers think on it.Please i am not making insult ofanybody or not making fun of anybody.Regardsvasumati ________________________________Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. ________________________________New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!________________________________New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

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Respected Gurujans,

 

I don't think anything wrong if it is a paid service. My personal opinion is nothing should be accepted free. Some nominal charges which all members feel may be considered.

 

Of course if any group member is really in need and not able to afford, they may be give free consulation.

In no case refund of money should be considered whehter the member is satisfied or not. Reason being, Eg. X person goes to an astrologer for some relief and normally pays some fees( fixed or not) and whether the predictions are write or wrong he will not ask for any refund. If that is the case the refund portion should not be talked off.

 

Yours

Shamasundar H.R.Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Hello Friends,We require feedback of more members before deciding anything regardingthe paid service. Other members, please comment.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:46:11 -0000, bhuwanvashishthawrote:> > Respected members,> > I agree with the idea that there should be a token fee of Rs 101/-> for any body needing advise for remedies. At present a few people> who post requests in other groups , post one here also. I don't> think such people are serious about the Lal Kitab remedies. Even if> an expert takes all the pains to suggest them remedies they seldom> do them. That could be a reason why no body ever comes back to the> forum with their feed back. If they spend some money , they would> come back to the forum with the results

, good or bad . And> secondly, remedies will not be asked just for the fun of it.> > with regards and naman to all gurujan,> > bhuwan> > lalkitab , "Nandkishore rai rawal"> wrote:> > > > Yes Sir,> > I am convinced that in this group no body wants to solve the> problems free.Some where hidden agenda is there and just to get> publicity they are running this group.Am I write Mr.Punit> Pandey,Lalkitabee JI and Mudit JI??> >> > Nandu> >> > On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 raaj mel wrote :> > >CAN I REGISTER FOR THIS SEVICE.I HAVE EVER SINCE BEEN REQUESTING> FOR A HEARING .BUT LOOKS THAT NO ONE IS READY TO HEAR TO MY PLEA.> > >> > >ceeta bains wrote:Punit ji,> > >it is my humble suggestion that in order to give a professional> touch to

the group consultancies kindly fix some nominal fees e.g.> rs, 100/. the funds may be collected in account of the group and can> be utilised for seminars etc. or other activities in furtherance of> lalktab. if some senior members want they could be given a share> also for their effort. it would give a professional touch to the> consultancy and we shall be accountable for remedies and kundlies> willl begn to be analysed and disposed at a geater speed. i dont> think a person who uses internet and wants expert remedies cannot> afford some nominal fees. of course there will be a condition if the> person is not satisfied money can be refunded.> > >kulbir> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now.> > >

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You r probably right but nothing comes for free in

this world everyone has to pay a price agreed

 

but the education in lal kitab if sold for money

should be denoted among poor for noble cause and aur

kuch kam kare ya na kare kisi garib ko roti mil jaye

to Bhagvan kush ho jaye ga to ill effects of planets

are nullified

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- " Anand, Mukesh " <MAnand wrote:

> hi all,

> I request please do not raise fee issue

> on this group.

> paying fee is a personal matter and can be handled

> personally not thru

> discussion group otherwise charm of it will be lost

> and most of the

> people would thing this a paid group and will not

> participate in this. i

> request if somebody interested in paying gift or

> anything to any

> astrloger concerned can do so by personally

> contating him . Now it upto

> the astroger to decide whether he is interested in

> this or not,

> i request all gurujaan to avoid this.

>

> Regards

> Mukesh Anand

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> Punit Pandey [punitp]

> Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:12 AM

> lalkitab

> Re: [lalkitab] Re: Paid Consultancy

>

>

> Kulbir ji,

>

> If we go by philosophy, taking fees may not be the

> right thing.

> According to Hindu tradition, astrologer should not

> ask for money but

> he can take gifts etc. in return. Even in Lal Kitab,

> charging for

> remedies article is mentioned not the constancy

> service. What do you

> think?

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> -

> ceeta bains <ceetabains

> Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:28:52 -0700 (PDT)

> Re: [lalkitab] Re: Paid Consultancy

> lalkitab

>

>

> vasumati ji, very practical statement jyotish comes

> under the purview

> of saturn and free remedies don't work although

> lalkitabee has been

> contributing a lot for free but at heart i know he

> knows this is

> wrong there should be some token fees.

> kulbir

>

> vasumati padhye <vasumatipadhye wrote:

>

> Namaskar

> yes, i agree with the statement that a reader, i

> mean who is expecting

> some advice about his future from respected and

> expert astrolgers

> should pay some fees for this.Please , please i

> don't want any rude,

> dirty coments on my reply.Just listen to me first.

> My father helped a young dentist for the place of

> his clinic.He now

> called my father as his " Sage Chacha " , so he never

> accepts money from

> us for checking.But everytime we feel ashamed, we

> told him to accept

> some fees( consultancy) but no, we feel like a

> sandwitch.(Dusare

> Doctor ko dikha bhi nahi sakate kyonki use pata

> chalte voh rishata

> khatam kar dega).

> Second most most important thing some experts

> astrologers sacrifices

> their valuable time ( phone bill for internet too)

> spending hours and

> hours for solving the problems of others so they are

> deserve for it.

> In old days we pay " Gurudakshina " then why not now?

> You are the

> experts, you are not like others, who accepts 500

> rupees for only one

> question and result nothing.In my point of view if

> the Lalkitab Group

> accepts some fees,whatsoever,they can save it for

> Seminars,

> Atrological books or weekly magazines( for

> publishing)

> Yes, some time a reader who is asking you for an

> advice and ready to

> pay you some money and if his economical condition

> is not good, but

> then he can send you atleast 101/- ruppes as

> " Gurudakshina " .and

> anybody feel embrasing then,he( Astrologer) can send

> that check( It is

> not an insult,it is his " Mehanat ki Kamai " )to any

> Aanathashram or

> Aandhashram or in helping some helpless,poor people

> who can not afford

> court fees or educational fees.Why there are so much

> dirty coments on

> this matter? if we can spend money on Dirty

> films(useless film stars

> who killed men and deer), fashion

> shows,parties,cosmetics ,bikes(for

> impression) then why should not we pay for good

> advice for our future?

> A good astrologer who gives us confidence, positive

> approach is always

> deserve for fees.Yes, i do not want to remain in any

> " Debt " ( Mufta ki

> salaha ko koi mahatva nahi deta,Koi " thank you " bhi

> nahi kahata )

> Yes, i am not an astrloger,well i am also not

> spending my money on

> phone bills for internet , i am not able to anlyse

> any kundli or

> prediction, i only have some remedies and i am

> learning astrology so

> i want to to share my views and want to offer some

> help.so if anybody

> ask me about fees( as it is happened before and i

> told that member

> that i am not expert, she offers me money but i am

> not deseved for

> that)

> So dear members, readers think on it.Please i am not

> making insult of

> anybody or not making fun of anybody.

> Regards

> vasumati

>

>

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