Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE DEALT WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I HAVE MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are posited as follows; 2nd house-Saturn 6th house- Ketu 7th house- Moon 9th house- Mars and Jupiter 10th house- Venus 11th house-Mercury 12th house- Rahu and Sun In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of 2nd in 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e in 9-5 navam-pancham position. GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA HAI, GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake also. But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN owing to 8-6 position. In this condition although SATURN doesn’t spoils the results of MOON, MOON will definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So element of enmity has developed amongst the two. In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and RAHU. SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results of MOON. JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars i.e there effect is locked. Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye rahit. Janam din ka grah-MOON KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO SUN RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but with the rider that grahas in first house cannot interact with grahas in 3rd house. ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period is of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN RAH JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE BITHA HO. So MERCURY’S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd and its effect is going to be manifest in house no.9. THE second thing that is to be considered here is BUDH KA BHEDH. FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. SUN= 9X12=108 MOON=8X7=56 MARS=5X9=45 MERCURY=4X11=44 JUPITER=6X9=54 VENUS=7X10=70 SATURN=3X2=6 RAHU=2X12=24 KETU=1X6=6. TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN 7TH. Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, the element of enmity is also there. BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND MERCURY IN 10TH MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS KULBIR ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: ok. partner as they say the sweatmaker should know the taste of his products i suggest we start with our kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. 08:50a.m., chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or do u want to wait till we have finished with mine. if u or anybody else has a better idea please contribute before we start. kulbirrakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: Kulbir ji,1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a strong advocate of thecase study method. Derisively called DISTANCE LEARNING by a few thisis the best way to learn the book through a collaborative processovercoming geographical constraints.2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she is, cast aspersions onthe integrity of people we know to be honorable. Thats not EXCUSABLE.To have a difference of opinion with anyone is our right, but to beoutright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes post facto is CRAP inmy book. Since I am not here to win friends and influence people Iwill stick with my stand, that this guy is most probably a fake id andnot worth the bother.So my dear friend, let us start by all means. To the extent myextremely limited knowledge goes I will contribute. I am not trying tobe modest here. I am convinced it is not within my comptence toanalyse natal charts at the current point in time. However should I begiven the opportunity to be a part of a study group/team I shallaccept with utmost gratitude.RegardsR Slalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> Kulbir ji,> > With all my brainstorming and discussions, I have concluded thatthis> forum requires case studies badly. We should discuss one horoscope> extensively and all experts should comment on that.> > I believe that it will be a step in right direction. I AM WITH YOUIN> THIS INITIATIVE. Please let me know whatever I can do for it. I also> request experts to come forward for it. Thanks to Prabhakar ji forhis> interest.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > -> ceeta bains <ceetabains>> Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT)> [lalkitab] rakesh sahgal and priya ji re shishyee> lalkitab > > > i think shishyee was right. truth is really bitter. When he calledme> a time waster, it was true but my ego was not accepting it and Iorder> to shield myself I wrote all that rubbish. Internally I was not at> ease at all. Constant introspection and retrospection forced me to> acknowledge that yes it�s true I was wasting my time. Thanksto him> for bringing reality to the forefront.> so to make amends rakesh and priya ji i suggest that it is high time> that we start analysis of kundalis, after long deliberations with> learned scholars i have come to the conclusion that this is the only> way to learn and understand lalkitab. all alone i don't think that i> am capable of analysing a kundali so i require ur help.> i recommend that either of u two select a kundali and let's startwith> it. bhuwan would surely guide us where we fail. i have takenprabhakar> ji in confidence he is ready to put final word to the analysis. I> STRONGLY BEG S. AMARJIT SINGH THIND ALSO TO HELP US.> anybody else who is also of our level i.e. begginers can also joinin please.> in anticipation> kulbir> > ________________________________> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Kundali vivechan part – 2 Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because they are planets of pakka ghars Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of time of birth and hence upayarahit. Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of house no.2 Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move mars from 9th would free rahu in 12th . Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving venus from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. Moon is in 7th house has no drishti So that means that there cannot be any replacement or reallocation of grahas. THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS IS CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA THAT COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS AND WHERE THEY ARE. Before proceeding I would like comments from prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for now I don’t want to bother umesh ji as he would be busy in preparations for seminar. thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke charan choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho gayi kulbirceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE DEALT WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I HAVE MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are posited as follows; 2nd house-Saturn 6th house- Ketu 7th house- Moon 9th house- Mars and Jupiter 10th house- Venus 11th house-Mercury 12th house- Rahu and Sun In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of 2nd in 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e in 9-5 navam-pancham position. GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA HAI, GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake also. But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN owing to 8-6 position. In this condition although SATURN doesn’t spoils the results of MOON, MOON will definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So element of enmity has developed amongst the two. In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and RAHU. SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results of MOON. JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars i.e there effect is locked. Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye rahit. Janam din ka grah-MOON KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO SUN RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but with the rider that grahas in first house cannot interact with grahas in 3rd house. ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period is of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN RAH JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE BITHA HO. So MERCURY’S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd and its effect is going to be manifest in house no.9. THE second thing that is to be considered here is BUDH KA BHEDH. FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. SUN= 9X12=108 MOON=8X7=56 MARS=5X9=45 MERCURY=4X11=44 JUPITER=6X9=54 VENUS=7X10=70 SATURN=3X2=6 RAHU=2X12=24 KETU=1X6=6. TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN 7TH. Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, the element of enmity is also there. BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND MERCURY IN 10TH MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS KULBIR ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: ok. partner as they say the sweatmaker should know the taste of his products i suggest we start with our kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. 08:50a.m., chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or do u want to wait till we have finished with mine. if u or anybody else has a better idea please contribute before we start. kulbirrakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: Kulbir ji,1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a strong advocate of thecase study method. Derisively called DISTANCE LEARNING by a few thisis the best way to learn the book through a collaborative processovercoming geographical constraints.2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she is, cast aspersions onthe integrity of people we know to be honorable. Thats not EXCUSABLE.To have a difference of opinion with anyone is our right, but to beoutright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes post facto is CRAP inmy book. Since I am not here to win friends and influence people Iwill stick with my stand, that this guy is most probably a fake id andnot worth the bother.So my dear friend, let us start by all means. To the extent myextremely limited knowledge goes I will contribute. I am not trying tobe modest here. I am convinced it is not within my comptence toanalyse natal charts at the current point in time. However should I begiven the opportunity to be a part of a study group/team I shallaccept with utmost gratitude.RegardsR Slalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> Kulbir ji,> > With all my brainstorming and discussions, I have concluded thatthis> forum requires case studies badly. We should discuss one horoscope> extensively and all experts should comment on that.> > I believe that it will be a step in right direction. I AM WITH YOUIN> THIS INITIATIVE. Please let me know whatever I can do for it. I also> request experts to come forward for it. Thanks to Prabhakar ji forhis> interest.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > -> ceeta bains <ceetabains>> Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT)> [lalkitab] rakesh sahgal and priya ji re shishyee> lalkitab > > > i think shishyee was right. truth is really bitter. When he calledme> a time waster, it was true but my ego was not accepting it and Iorder> to shield myself I wrote all that rubbish. Internally I was not at> ease at all. Constant introspection and retrospection forced me to> acknowledge that yes it�s true I was wasting my time. Thanksto him> for bringing reality to the forefront.> so to make amends rakesh and priya ji i suggest that it is high time> that we start analysis of kundalis, after long deliberations with> learned scholars i have come to the conclusion that this is the only> way to learn and understand lalkitab. all alone i don't think that i> am capable of analysing a kundali so i require ur help.> i recommend that either of u two select a kundali and let's startwith> it. bhuwan would surely guide us where we fail. i have takenprabhakar> ji in confidence he is ready to put final word to the analysis. I> STRONGLY BEG S. AMARJIT SINGH THIND ALSO TO HELP US.> anybody else who is also of our level i.e. begginers can also joinin please.> in anticipation> kulbir> > ________________________________> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Dear Kulbir Ji, You have written earlier: FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. SUN= 9X12=108 MOON=8X7=56 MARS=5X9=45 MERCURY=4X11=44 JUPITER=6X9=54 VENUS=7X10=70 SATURN=3X2=6 RAHU=2X12=24 KETU=1X6=6. How did you determine the strenght of each planet in this rashi? Warm Regards H. Wail --- ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because they > are planets of pakka ghars > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of time > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of > house no.2 > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move mars > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving venus > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > So that means that there cannot be any replacement > or reallocation of grahas. > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS IS > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA THAT > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS AND > WHERE THEY ARE. > > Before proceeding I would like comments from > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for now > I don’t want to bother umesh ji as he would be busy > in preparations for seminar. > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke charan > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho gayi > > kulbir > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE DEALT > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I HAVE > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are posited > as follows; > > 2nd house-Saturn > > 6th house- Ketu > > 7th house- Moon > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter > > 10th house- Venus > > 11th house-Mercury > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of 2nd in > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e in > 9-5 navam-pancham position. > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA HAI, > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake also. > > But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN owing > to 8-6 position. In this condition although SATURN > doesn’t spoils the results of MOON, MOON will > definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now > SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So > element of enmity has developed amongst the two. > > In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and RAHU. > SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results of > MOON. > > JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars i.e > there effect is locked. > > Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye rahit. > > Janam din ka grah-MOON > > KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between > 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as > MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on > MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO SUN > RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but with > the rider that grahas in first house cannot interact > with grahas in 3rd house. > > ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period is > of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN RAH > JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI > > ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE BITHA > HO. > > So MERCURY’S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd and > its effect is going to be manifest in house no.9. > THE second thing that is to be considered here is > BUDH KA BHEDH. > > FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE > PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND > THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. > > SUN= 9X12=108 > > MOON=8X7=56 > > MARS=5X9=45 > > MERCURY=4X11=44 > > JUPITER=6X9=54 > > VENUS=7X10=70 > > SATURN=3X2=6 > > RAHU=2X12=24 > > KETU=1X6=6. > > TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND > REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE > NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN 7TH. > > Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, the > element of enmity is also there. > > BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% > drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI > > GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND > MERCURY IN 10TH > > MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. > > MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS > > KULBIR > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: ok. > partner as they say the sweatmaker should know the > taste of his products i suggest we start with our > kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. 08:50a.m., > chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u > like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or do u > want to wait till we have finished with mine. if u > or anybody else has a better idea please contribute > before we start. > kulbir > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: > Kulbir ji, > > 1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a strong > advocate of the > case study method. Derisively called DISTANCE > LEARNING by a few this > is the best way to learn the book through a > collaborative process > overcoming geographical constraints. > > 2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she is, > cast aspersions on > the integrity of people we know to be honorable. > Thats not EXCUSABLE. > To have a difference of opinion with anyone is our > right, but to be > outright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes post > facto is CRAP in > my book. Since I am not here to win friends and > influence people I > will stick with my stand, that this guy is most > probably a fake id and > not worth the bother. > > === message truncated === _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Harrit ji, Strengths are fixed for each planet. i.e. Sun 9/9, Moon 8/9, Venus 7/9, Jupiter 6/9, Mars 5/9, Mercury 4/9, Saturn 3/9, Rahu 2/9, Ketu 1/9. Regards, Punit Pandey PS: Congrats to Kulbir ji for this incredible task. Hope to see more and more responses. On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:11:32 +0100 (BST), harrit pall <harritpall wrote: > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > You have written earlier: > > FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE > PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND > THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. > > SUN= 9X12=108 > > MOON=8X7=56 > > MARS=5X9=45 > > MERCURY=4X11=44 > > JUPITER=6X9=54 > > VENUS=7X10=70 > > SATURN=3X2=6 > > RAHU=2X12=24 > > KETU=1X6=6. > > How did you determine the strenght of each planet in > this rashi? > > Warm Regards > H. Wail > > --- ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > > > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, > > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because they > > are planets of pakka ghars > > > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of time > > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of > > house no.2 > > > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move mars > > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving venus > > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > > > So that means that there cannot be any replacement > > or reallocation of grahas. > > > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS IS > > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA THAT > > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS AND > > WHERE THEY ARE. > > > > Before proceeding I would like comments from > > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for now > > I don't want to bother umesh ji as he would be busy > > in preparations for seminar. > > > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke charan > > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho gayi > > > > kulbir > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE DEALT > > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I HAVE > > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. > > > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are posited > > as follows; > > > > 2nd house-Saturn > > > > 6th house- Ketu > > > > 7th house- Moon > > > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter > > > > 10th house- Venus > > > > 11th house-Mercury > > > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI > > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of 2nd in > > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e in > > 9-5 navam-pancham position. > > > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA HAI, > > > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. > > > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake also. > > > > But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN owing > > to 8-6 position. In this condition although SATURN > > doesn't spoils the results of MOON, MOON will > > definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now > > SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So > > element of enmity has developed amongst the two. > > > > In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and RAHU. > > SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results of > > MOON. > > > > JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars i.e > > there effect is locked. > > > > Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye rahit. > > > > Janam din ka grah-MOON > > > > KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between > > 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as > > MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on > > MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO SUN > > RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but with > > the rider that grahas in first house cannot interact > > with grahas in 3rd house. > > > > ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period is > > of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN RAH > > JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI > > > > ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE BITHA > > HO. > > > > So MERCURY'S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd and > > its effect is going to be manifest in house no.9. > > THE second thing that is to be considered here is > > BUDH KA BHEDH. > > > > FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE > > PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND > > THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. > > > > SUN= 9X12=108 > > > > MOON=8X7=56 > > > > MARS=5X9=45 > > > > MERCURY=4X11=44 > > > > JUPITER=6X9=54 > > > > VENUS=7X10=70 > > > > SATURN=3X2=6 > > > > RAHU=2X12=24 > > > > KETU=1X6=6. > > > > TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND > > REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE > > NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN 7TH. > > > > Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, the > > element of enmity is also there. > > > > BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% > > drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI > > > > GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND > > MERCURY IN 10TH > > > > MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. > > > > MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS > > > > KULBIR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: ok. > > partner as they say the sweatmaker should know the > > taste of his products i suggest we start with our > > kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. 08:50a.m., > > chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u > > like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or do u > > want to wait till we have finished with mine. if u > > or anybody else has a better idea please contribute > > before we start. > > kulbir > > > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: > > Kulbir ji, > > > > 1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a strong > > advocate of the > > case study method. Derisively called DISTANCE > > LEARNING by a few this > > is the best way to learn the book through a > > collaborative process > > overcoming geographical constraints. > > > > 2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she is, > > cast aspersions on > > the integrity of people we know to be honorable. > > Thats not EXCUSABLE. > > To have a difference of opinion with anyone is our > > right, but to be > > outright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes post > > facto is CRAP in > > my book. Since I am not here to win friends and > > influence people I > > will stick with my stand, that this guy is most > > probably a fake id and > > not worth the bother. > > > > > === message truncated === > > _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Dear Kulbir Ji, Nice work. You tried your level best to scrutinize a chart from each feasible slant. The consideration of aspects, friendship, enmity, companionship & confrontation, Pakke Ghar Ka Grah, Rashi Phal Ka Grah, remediable and non-remediable planets were described skillfully. I would like to know if there is any planet present in this chart referring to the inherited sins (Pitr-Rin) or it is free from any such fault? The remedial segment (for the malefic planets) is also absent. Can you throw some illumination on this segment as well? The silver lining in this whole study is, the eye opening arithmetical equation to divulge the oblique character of Mercury in the chart. Thanks for sharing the Secret of Mercury (Budh Ka Bhed). I am a solid believer that analyzing a chart without knowing the precise nature of Mercury is akin to entering a residence without knocking its door. It is implausible that one is capable to appreciate the true connotation of a book, devoid of analysis its prologue. You were kind enough to discuss this formula in the forum with an open and positive state of mind. Once, I inquired about this modus operandi from a prominent affiliate of this very group, He, unaware of the veracity, that, I am acquainted with this equation for more that two decades when he was just a running-nose toddler, tried to bamboozle me in the Juggernaut of 42 segments of the human brain (Deemagh Ke 42 Khane). The way it has been discussed by you honestly, is estimable. Please carry on this endeavor, and continue to enlighten the aficionados of Lal Kitab astrology. With Best Regards, Yograj Prabhakar. --- ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > > Kundali vivechan part – 2 > > Soye grah- Moon in 7th, Jupiter and Mars in 9th, > Venus in 10th, Mercury in 11th are asleep. > > Jupiter, Ketu and Rahu cannot be moved because they > are planets of pakka ghars > > Sun cannot be moved because it is the planet of time > of birth and hence upayarahit. > > Saturn is kismat ka grah owing to occupation of > house no.2 > > Mars is also fixed because any attempt to move mars > from 9th would free rahu in 12th . > > Mercury in 11th house cannot be moved. > > Venus cannot be moved from 10th becaue moving venus > from 10th would render 2nd Saturn ineffective. > > Moon is in 7th house has no drishti > > So that means that there cannot be any replacement > or reallocation of grahas. > > THEREFORE AS FAR AS UPAYAS BY MOVING AND PLANETS IS > CONCERNED THIS CHART IS SEALED. THE ONLY UPAYA THAT > COULD BE DONE IS TO APPESE OR MOLLIFY PLANETS AS AND > WHERE THEY ARE. > > Before proceeding I would like comments from > prabhakar, lalkitabeji and bhuwan, at least for now > I don’t want to bother umesh ji as he would be busy > in preparations for seminar. > > thanks shishyee agar kahi mil jayo to aapke charan > choo loon aapke dhake se apni gaadi start ho gayi > > kulbir > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: > Raeksh and Punit ji, IN THE FIRST PART I HAVE DEALT > WITH THE GRAMMER PORTION, KINDLY CHECK IT IF I HAVE > MISSED SOMETHING OR I HAVE GONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. > > Accr. To the natal horoscope the planets are posited > as follows; > > 2nd house-Saturn > > 6th house- Ketu > > 7th house- Moon > > 9th house- Mars and Jupiter > > 10th house- Venus > > 11th house-Mercury > > 12th house- Rahu and Sun > > In this horoscope Saturn and Venus are SAATHI > GRAHAS i.e. owner of 10th in 2nd and owner of 2nd in > 10th. PLUS they are also BUNIYAADI GRAHAS i.e in > 9-5 navam-pancham position. > > GHAR CHALKAR JO AAWE DOOJE GRAH KISMAT BAN JATA HAI, > > GHAR DASWAN GAR KHALI HOVW SOYA HUA KEHLATA HAI. > > So Saturn is the planet of destiny and awake also. > > But MOON is the planet of TAKRAV with SATURN owing > to 8-6 position. In this condition although SATURN > doesn’t spoils the results of MOON, MOON will > definitely spoil the fruits of SATURN. So now > SATURN and VENUS become BINMUKABIL KE GRAH. So > element of enmity has developed amongst the two. > > In turn MOON is in 6-8 position with SUN and RAHU. > SUN AND RAHU are destined to spoil the results of > MOON. > > JUPITER, KETU and RAHU are in their paka ghars i.e > there effect is locked. > > Janam samay ka grah=SUN so Sun is also upaye rahit. > > Janam din ka grah-MOON > > KUNDALI KE KHAO KI BICH KI DEEWAR exists between > 10th and 11th house and 11th and 12th house as > MERCURY and VENUS are friends and further on > MERCURY is a friend of both SUN and RAHU. SO SUN > RAHU MERCURY AND VENUS ARE HUMSAYA grahas.but with > the rider that grahas in first house cannot interact > with grahas in 3rd house. > > ACCORDING TO 35 SALA CHAKRA, the current period is > of MERCURY which is in 11th house. GHAR 11 MEIN RAH > JO AAWE TASIR SHANI VOH HOTA HAI > > ASAR MGAR US GHAR MEIN JAVE, GURU JAHAN TEWE BITHA > HO. > > So MERCURY’S basic nature is of Saturn in 2nd and > its effect is going to be manifest in house no.9. > THE second thing that is to be considered here is > BUDH KA BHEDH. > > FOR THIS WE HAVE TO MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE > PLANET WITH THE HOUSE NO. IN WHICH IT IS POSITED AND > THEN ADD THEM AND DIVIDE THE SUM BY 9. > > SUN= 9X12=108 > > MOON=8X7=56 > > MARS=5X9=45 > > MERCURY=4X11=44 > > JUPITER=6X9=54 > > VENUS=7X10=70 > > SATURN=3X2=6 > > RAHU=2X12=24 > > KETU=1X6=6. > > TOTAL = 413 DIVIDED BY 9 =QUOTIENT 45 AND > REMAINDER=8 WHICH IS THE POWER OF MOON SO THE > NATURE OF MERCURY IS THAT OF MOON POSITED IN 7TH. > > Since mercury is in 10th position from Saturn, the > element of enmity is also there. > > BHAVA DRISHTI; 2ND house aspects 6th with 25% > drishti so SATURN ASPECTS KETU WITH 25% DRISHTI > > GRAH DRISHTI; SATURN ASPECTS KETU IN 5TH AND > MERCURY IN 10TH > > MARS ASPECTS SUN AND RAHU IN 12TH. > > MARS AND JUPITER ARE BAMUKABIL GRAHAS > > KULBIR > > > > ceeta bains <ceetabains wrote: ok. > partner as they say the sweatmaker should know the > taste of his products i suggest we start with our > kundalis. my birth data is 15-02-1971. 08:50a.m., > chandigarh. i am starting with mine. now would u > like to start with ur kundali simultaneously or do u > want to wait till we have finished with mine. if u > or anybody else has a better idea please contribute > before we start. > kulbir > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: > Kulbir ji, > > 1. Read my first few posts . I was and am a strong > advocate of the > case study method. Derisively called DISTANCE > LEARNING by a few this > is the best way to learn the book through a > collaborative process > overcoming geographical constraints. > > 2. This person shish whatever, whoever he/she is, > cast aspersions on > the integrity of people we know to be honorable. > Thats not EXCUSABLE. > To have a difference of opinion with anyone is our > right, but to be > outright disagreeable and then mouth platitudes post > facto is CRAP in > my book. Since I am not here to win friends and > influence people I > will stick with my stand, that this guy is most > probably a fake id and > not worth the bother. > > So my dear friend, let us start by all means. To the > extent my > extremely limited knowledge goes I will contribute. > I am not trying to > be modest here. I am convinced it is not within my > comptence to > analyse natal charts at the current point in time. > However should I be > given the opportunity to be a part of a study > group/team I shall > accept with utmost gratitude. > > Regards > > > R S > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey > <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Kulbir ji, > > > > With all my brainstorming and discussions, I have > concluded that > this > > forum requires case studies badly. We should > discuss one horoscope > > extensively and all experts should comment on > that. > > > > I believe that it will be a step in right > direction. I AM WITH YOU > IN > > THIS INITIATIVE. Please let me know whatever I can > do for it. I also > > request experts to come forward for it. Thanks to > Prabhakar ji for > his > > interest. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > - > > ceeta bains <ceetabains> > > Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) > > [lalkitab] rakesh sahgal and priya ji re > shishyee > > lalkitab > > > > > > i think shishyee was right. truth is really > bitter. When he called > me > > a time waster, it was true but my ego was not > accepting it and I > order > > to shield myself I wrote all that rubbish. > Internally I was not at > > ease at all. Constant introspection and > retrospection forced me to > > acknowledge that yes it�s true I was wasting my > time. Thanks > to him > > for bringing reality to the forefront. > > so to make amends rakesh and priya ji i suggest > that it is high time > > that we start analysis of kundalis, after long > deliberations with > > learned scholars i have come to the conclusion > that this is the only > > way to learn and understand lalkitab. all alone i > don't think that > i > > am capable of analysing a kundali so i require ur > help. > > i recommend that either of u two select a kundali > and let's start > with > > it. bhuwan would surely guide us where we fail. i > have taken > prabhakar > > ji in confidence he is ready to put final word to > the analysis. I > > STRONGLY BEG S. AMARJIT SINGH THIND ALSO TO HELP > US. > > anybody else who is also of our level i.e. > begginers can also join > in please. > > in anticipation > > kulbir > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Mail - 50x more storage than other > providers! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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