Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Dear members I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , person can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will spoil saturn. Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take alcohol sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets paralysis ? Thanks Rajeev K Khattar - Ravinder Grover lalkitab Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE Dear all members I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed that some people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason. My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND, FORGIVE EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK. Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the action as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to the fruit of the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for some good and inspiring work for the mankind. Lots of Love RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Respected Khattar jee, For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 says: " lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va majboot kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se sehat hogi " Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says : " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par gir jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi / " The book , further, goes on to say that in the " aazurda halat " the things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning very 'mandi halat' Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' zahar, zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho jayega' Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked of as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking sharab. Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine is taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not otherwise. Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' as asav or arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines , which use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage. This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express their views. with regards and naman to all gurujan. bhuwan lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > Dear members > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , person can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will spoil saturn. > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take alcohol sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets paralysis ? > Thanks > Rajeev K Khattar > > - > Ravinder Grover > lalkitab > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE > > > Dear all members > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed that some people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason. > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND, FORGIVE EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK. > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the action as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to the fruit of the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for some good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > Lots of Love > > RG > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 dear friends, I am really very happy that healthy discussions have started again. Regarding taking alcohal in case of Saturn.............., I have my personal doubts., if anybody is kind to clear it. In my opinion, alcohal means daru which used to be made of the grapes like fruits and develop a black color which was a sign of saturn like we take sarson ka tail,iron ,black cloth etc which are again black in colour. So therefore it is the black not the alcohal which is connected with saturn. Now my serious question is " CAN ANYBODY TAKE VODKA OR GIN (of course in a limited manner)WHICH HAS ALCOHAL BUT THEY ARE NOT IN BLACK COLOUR TO AVOID THE ILL EFFECTS OF SATURN ? " I know after reading this Mr Khattar will have a hearty laugh as he has good sense of humour BUT I FEEL THIS DOUBT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. rakesh sharma -- In lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Respected Khattar jee, > > For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 says: > " lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to > swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va majboot > kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se sehat > hogi " > > Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says : > > " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par gir > jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar > tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki > mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi / " > > The book , further, goes on to say that in the " aazurda halat " the > things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning very 'mandi > halat' > > Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' zahar, > zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho > jayega' > > Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked of > as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking sharab. > Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine is > taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not otherwise. > Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' as asav or > arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines , which > use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage. > > This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express their > views. > > with regards and naman to all gurujan. > > bhuwan > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > wrote: > > Dear members > > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , person > can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as > medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will spoil > saturn. > > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take alcohol > sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets > paralysis ? > > Thanks > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > - > > Ravinder Grover > > lalkitab > > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM > > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE > > > > > > Dear all members > > > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed that some > people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason. > > > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND, FORGIVE > EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK. > > > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the action > as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to the fruit of > the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for some > good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > > > Lots of Love > > > > RG > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Rakesh ji Also consider the following: 1. Alcohol i.e. Ethanol is a derivative of molasses a by-product of sugar manufacture. 2. Alcoholic beverages are manufactured using potable ethanol from molasses, fermented grain(wheat), grapes, cherries and myriad other sources. Now question is given the diverse nature of sources do we look at it from the point of view of origin or other physical attributes including colors (which also vary) or it's nature i.e. that of an intoxicant which is the one common factor and if I am not mistaken the " vice " that's a characteristic of Saturn? Regards R S lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > dear friends, > I am really very happy that healthy discussions have started again. > Regarding taking alcohal in case of Saturn.............., > I have my personal doubts., if anybody is kind to clear it. > In my opinion, alcohal means daru which used to be made of the > grapes like fruits and develop a black color which was a sign of > saturn like we take sarson ka tail,iron ,black cloth etc which are > again black in colour. So therefore it is the black not the alcohal > which is connected with saturn. > Now my serious question is " CAN ANYBODY TAKE VODKA OR GIN (of course > in a limited manner)WHICH HAS ALCOHAL BUT THEY ARE NOT IN BLACK > COLOUR TO AVOID THE ILL EFFECTS OF SATURN ? " I know after reading > this Mr Khattar will have a hearty laugh as he has good sense of > humour BUT I FEEL THIS DOUBT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. > > rakesh sharma > > -- In lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 > says: > > " lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to > > swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va > majboot > > kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se > sehat > > hogi " > > > > Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says : > > > > " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par > gir > > jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar > > tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki > > mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi / " > > > > The book , further, goes on to say that in the " aazurda halat " the > > things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning > very 'mandi > > halat' > > > > Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' > zahar, > > zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho > > jayega' > > > > Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked > of > > as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking > sharab. > > Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine > is > > taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not > otherwise. > > Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' as asav > or > > arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines , which > > use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage. > > > > This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express > their > > views. > > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan. > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > Dear members > > > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , > person > > can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as > > medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will > spoil > > saturn. > > > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take > alcohol > > sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets > > paralysis ? > > > Thanks > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > - > > > Ravinder Grover > > > lalkitab > > > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM > > > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE > > > > > > > > > Dear all members > > > > > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed that some > > people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason. > > > > > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND, FORGIVE > > EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK. > > > > > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > > > > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the > action > > as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to the fruit > of > > the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for > some > > good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > > > > > Lots of Love > > > > > > RG > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Dear Rakesh Sahib, I think it is the intoxicating effect of Liquor which comes under shani and not the color.I know some friends and foes alike will say,Balle,Balle and cheers. By the way my favorite was Virgin Mary,could have any time of the day and no one would know. But I am trying to give up all good things of life because of Shani Maharaj being in 8th house of my chart. I am on my way to beatification at least, if not nirvana. So Amen to that. Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 To All Respected Gurus, I really like this group. Gurus give a very simple explanation to all queries. Best Regards, Vivekrakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: Rakesh jiAlso consider the following:1. Alcohol i.e. Ethanol is a derivative of molasses a by-product ofsugar manufacture.2. Alcoholic beverages are manufactured using potable ethanol frommolasses, fermented grain(wheat), grapes, cherries and myriad othersources. Now question is given the diverse nature of sources do we look at itfrom the point of view of origin or other physical attributesincluding colors (which also vary) or it's nature i.e. that of anintoxicant which is the one common factor and if I am not mistaken the"vice" that's a characteristic of Saturn? RegardsR Slalkitab , "rakeshrajnisharma"<rakeshrajnisharma> wrote:> dear friends,> I am really very happy that healthy discussions have started again.> Regarding taking alcohal in case of Saturn..............,> I have my personal doubts., if anybody is kind to clear it.> In my opinion, alcohal means daru which used to be made of the > grapes like fruits and develop a black color which was a sign of > saturn like we take sarson ka tail,iron ,black cloth etc which are > again black in colour. So therefore it is the black not the alcohal > which is connected with saturn.> Now my serious question is "CAN ANYBODY TAKE VODKA OR GIN (ofcourse > in a limited manner)WHICH HAS ALCOHAL BUT THEY ARE NOT IN BLACK > COLOUR TO AVOID THE ILL EFFECTS OF SATURN ?" I know after reading > this Mr Khattar will have a hearty laugh as he has good sense of > humour BUT I FEEL THIS DOUBT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.> > rakesh sharma> > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , "bhuwanvashishtha" > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:> > Respected Khattar jee,> > > > For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 > says:> > "lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to > > swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va > majboot > > kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se > sehat > > hogi"> > > > Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says :> > > > " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par > gir > > jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar > > tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki > > mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi /"> > > > The book , further, goes on to say that in the "aazurda halat"the > > things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning > very 'mandi > > halat'> > > > Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' > zahar, > > zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho > > jayega'> > > > Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked > of > > as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking > sharab. > > Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine > is > > taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not > otherwise. > > Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' asasav > or > > arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines ,which > > use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage.> > > > This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express > their > > views.> > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan.> > > > bhuwan> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote:> > > Dear members> > > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , > person > > can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as > > medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will > spoil > > saturn.> > > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take > alcohol > > sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets > > paralysis ?> > > Thanks> > > Rajeev K Khattar> > > > > > - > > > Ravinder Grover > > > lalkitab > > > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM> > > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE> > > > > > > > > Dear all members> > > > > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed thatsome > > people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason.> > > > > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND,FORGIVE > > EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK.> > > > > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > > > > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the > action > > as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to thefruit > of > > the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for > some > > good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > > > > > Lots of Love> > > > > > RG> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 lol lol I raise a toast to your resolve and determination sir. Cheers Regards R S lalkitab , jagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote: > Dear Rakesh Sahib, > I think it is the intoxicating effect of Liquor which comes under shani > and not the color.I know some friends and foes alike will say,Balle,Balle > and cheers. > By the way my favorite was Virgin Mary,could have any time of the day and > no one would know. But I am trying to give up all good things of life > because of Shani Maharaj being in 8th house of my chart. I am on my way > to beatification at least, if not nirvana. So Amen to that. > Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 sir, i would like to add that in the process of fermentation, the base solution gives birth to various microorganisms KEEDE which are killed in the process of extraction of alchohol. and anything dead is shani. perhaps that's why it is attributed to shani. otherwise intoxication is something that comes under the purview of rahu. i have detail notes on this topic, i shall check and post it tommorrow. regards kulbirrakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal wrote: Rakesh jiAlso consider the following:1. Alcohol i.e. Ethanol is a derivative of molasses a by-product ofsugar manufacture.2. Alcoholic beverages are manufactured using potable ethanol frommolasses, fermented grain(wheat), grapes, cherries and myriad othersources. Now question is given the diverse nature of sources do we look at itfrom the point of view of origin or other physical attributesincluding colors (which also vary) or it's nature i.e. that of anintoxicant which is the one common factor and if I am not mistaken the"vice" that's a characteristic of Saturn? RegardsR Slalkitab , "rakeshrajnisharma"<rakeshrajnisharma> wrote:> dear friends,> I am really very happy that healthy discussions have started again.> Regarding taking alcohal in case of Saturn..............,> I have my personal doubts., if anybody is kind to clear it.> In my opinion, alcohal means daru which used to be made of the > grapes like fruits and develop a black color which was a sign of > saturn like we take sarson ka tail,iron ,black cloth etc which are > again black in colour. So therefore it is the black not the alcohal > which is connected with saturn.> Now my serious question is "CAN ANYBODY TAKE VODKA OR GIN (ofcourse > in a limited manner)WHICH HAS ALCOHAL BUT THEY ARE NOT IN BLACK > COLOUR TO AVOID THE ILL EFFECTS OF SATURN ?" I know after reading > this Mr Khattar will have a hearty laugh as he has good sense of > humour BUT I FEEL THIS DOUBT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.> > rakesh sharma> > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , "bhuwanvashishtha" > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:> > Respected Khattar jee,> > > > For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 > says:> > "lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to > > swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va > majboot > > kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se > sehat > > hogi"> > > > Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says :> > > > " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par > gir > > jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar > > tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki > > mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi /"> > > > The book , further, goes on to say that in the "aazurda halat"the > > things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning > very 'mandi > > halat'> > > > Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' > zahar, > > zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho > > jayega'> > > > Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked > of > > as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking > sharab. > > Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine > is > > taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not > otherwise. > > Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' asasav > or > > arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines ,which > > use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage.> > > > This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express > their > > views.> > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan.> > > > bhuwan> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote:> > > Dear members> > > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , > person > > can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as > > medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will > spoil > > saturn.> > > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take > alcohol > > sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets > > paralysis ?> > > Thanks> > > Rajeev K Khattar> > > > > > - > > > Ravinder Grover > > > lalkitab > > > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM> > > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE> > > > > > > > > Dear all members> > > > > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed thatsome > > people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason.> > > > > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND,FORGIVE > > EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK.> > > > > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > > > > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the > action > > as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to thefruit > of > > the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for > some > > good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > > > > > Lots of Love> > > > > > RG> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Thanks very much Kulbir ji. That will be really great. Regards R S lalkitab , ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > sir, > i would like to add that in the process of fermentation, the base solution gives birth to various microorganisms KEEDE which are killed in the process of extraction of alchohol. and anything dead is shani. perhaps that's why it is attributed to shani. otherwise intoxication is something that comes under the purview of rahu. i have detail notes on this topic, i shall check and post it tommorrow. > regards > kulbir > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Rakesh ji > > Also consider the following: > > 1. Alcohol i.e. Ethanol is a derivative of molasses a by-product of > sugar manufacture. > > 2. Alcoholic beverages are manufactured using potable ethanol from > molasses, fermented grain(wheat), grapes, cherries and myriad other > sources. > > Now question is given the diverse nature of sources do we look at it > from the point of view of origin or other physical attributes > including colors (which also vary) or it's nature i.e. that of an > intoxicant which is the one common factor and if I am not mistaken the > " vice " that's a characteristic of Saturn? > > Regards > > > R S > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > dear friends, > > I am really very happy that healthy discussions have started again. > > Regarding taking alcohal in case of Saturn.............., > > I have my personal doubts., if anybody is kind to clear it. > > In my opinion, alcohal means daru which used to be made of the > > grapes like fruits and develop a black color which was a sign of > > saturn like we take sarson ka tail,iron ,black cloth etc which are > > again black in colour. So therefore it is the black not the alcohal > > which is connected with saturn. > > Now my serious question is " CAN ANYBODY TAKE VODKA OR GIN (of > course > > in a limited manner)WHICH HAS ALCOHAL BUT THEY ARE NOT IN BLACK > > COLOUR TO AVOID THE ILL EFFECTS OF SATURN ? " I know after reading > > this Mr Khattar will have a hearty laugh as he has good sense of > > humour BUT I FEEL THIS DOUBT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > > > For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 > > says: > > > " lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to > > > swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va > > majboot > > > kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se > > sehat > > > hogi " > > > > > > Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says : > > > > > > " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par > > gir > > > jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar > > > tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki > > > mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi / " > > > > > > The book , further, goes on to say that in the " aazurda halat " > the > > > things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning > > very 'mandi > > > halat' > > > > > > Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' > > zahar, > > > zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho > > > jayega' > > > > > > Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked > > of > > > as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking > > sharab. > > > Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine > > is > > > taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not > > otherwise. > > > Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' as > asav > > or > > > arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines , > which > > > use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage. > > > > > > This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express > > their > > > views. > > > > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan. > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , > > person > > > can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as > > > medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will > > spoil > > > saturn. > > > > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take > > alcohol > > > sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets > > > paralysis ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > - > > > > Ravinder Grover > > > > lalkitab > > > > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM > > > > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all members > > > > > > > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed that > some > > > people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason. > > > > > > > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND, > FORGIVE > > > EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK. > > > > > > > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > > > > > > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the > > action > > > as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to the > fruit > > of > > > the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for > > some > > > good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > > > > > > > Lots of Love > > > > > > > > RG > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 dear kulbir jee, As u said " the base solution gives birth to various microorganisms KEEDE which are killed in the process of extraction of alchohol. and anything...... " Then what about Dahee ( yogurt)???? rakesh sharma lalkitab , ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > sir, > i would like to add that in the process of fermentation, the base solution gives birth to various microorganisms KEEDE which are killed in the process of extraction of alchohol. and anything dead is shani. perhaps that's why it is attributed to shani. otherwise intoxication is something that comes under the purview of rahu. i have detail notes on this topic, i shall check and post it tommorrow. > regards > kulbir > > rakeshsahgal <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Rakesh ji > > Also consider the following: > > 1. Alcohol i.e. Ethanol is a derivative of molasses a by-product of > sugar manufacture. > > 2. Alcoholic beverages are manufactured using potable ethanol from > molasses, fermented grain(wheat), grapes, cherries and myriad other > sources. > > Now question is given the diverse nature of sources do we look at it > from the point of view of origin or other physical attributes > including colors (which also vary) or it's nature i.e. that of an > intoxicant which is the one common factor and if I am not mistaken the > " vice " that's a characteristic of Saturn? > > Regards > > > R S > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > dear friends, > > I am really very happy that healthy discussions have started again. > > Regarding taking alcohal in case of Saturn.............., > > I have my personal doubts., if anybody is kind to clear it. > > In my opinion, alcohal means daru which used to be made of the > > grapes like fruits and develop a black color which was a sign of > > saturn like we take sarson ka tail,iron ,black cloth etc which are > > again black in colour. So therefore it is the black not the alcohal > > which is connected with saturn. > > Now my serious question is " CAN ANYBODY TAKE VODKA OR GIN (of > course > > in a limited manner)WHICH HAS ALCOHAL BUT THEY ARE NOT IN BLACK > > COLOUR TO AVOID THE ILL EFFECTS OF SATURN ? " I know after reading > > this Mr Khattar will have a hearty laugh as he has good sense of > > humour BUT I FEEL THIS DOUBT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > > > For shani in the 4th ,the Arun sanhita [ 1939 ed ] on page 218 > > says: > > > " lekin agar tevewale ka sharir kisi tarah se bhi manda hojaya to > > > swayam sanp hi usko das kar jaan se marne ki bajaya theek va > > majboot > > > kar dega / ya uska jism nakara hone ke waqt shani ki cheezon se > > sehat > > > hogi " > > > > > > Lal Kitab [ 1952 ed ] on page 605 says : > > > > > > " agar adhrang vagerah se nakara hokar murde ki tarah zameen par > > gir > > > jaye to sanp khud aakar usko dank mar kar, uska adhrang hata kar > > > tandrust balki murde se bhi zinda kar dega / sirf shanichar ki > > > mutaliqa ashiya se mandi sehat mein shafa hogi / " > > > > > > The book , further, goes on to say that in the " aazurda halat " > the > > > things related to shani will help.aazurda halat meaning > > very 'mandi > > > halat' > > > > > > Now , it appears that he is talking about the principle of ' > > zahar, > > > zahar ko marta hai'when he talks about 'sanp ke dasne se thik ho > > > jayega' > > > > > > Now coming to the liquor part. Firstly shani ki ashiya is talked > > of > > > as a medicine. Taking a medicine is different from drinking > > sharab. > > > Drinking sharab would definitely make things worse. The medicine > > is > > > taken only when you have the symptoms of the illness not > > otherwise. > > > Secondly , in this context , I interpret 'shani ki ashiya' as > asav > > or > > > arishta {ayurvedic preparation} , or homeopathy medicines , > which > > > use alcohol as base and various oil preparations for massage. > > > > > > This is my interpretation, let the other gurujan also express > > their > > > views. > > > > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan. > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > I read in the book that if saturn is placed in 4th house , > > person > > > can get paralysis and in that case he should take alcohol as > > > medicine.But i read in that part only that taking alcohol will > > spoil > > > saturn. > > > > Will gurujans take time to suggest the person should take > > alcohol > > > sometimes to prevent paralysis or should take only when he gets > > > paralysis ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > - > > > > Ravinder Grover > > > > lalkitab > > > > Monday, August 30, 2004 4:03 PM > > > > [lalkitab] COOL DOWN PLEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all members > > > > > > > > I am absolutely new in this group and I have noticed that > some > > > people are getting annoyed on each other for what ever reason. > > > > > > > > My humble request all is to LEAVE THIS MATTER BEHIND, > FORGIVE > > > EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON FOR SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WORK. > > > > > > > > Arguements will NEVER solve any problem. > > > > > > > > I read somewhere KARMA is not action or the fruit of the > > action > > > as normally people define, but KARMA is the REACTION to the > fruit > > of > > > the action. Please always keep this in mind and move forward for > > some > > > good and inspiring work for the mankind. > > > > > > > > Lots of Love > > > > > > > > RG > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Rakesh Jee, For yugurt, you introduce a bacterial microculture into milk (acidophilous or something like that) and it multiplies and changes the nature of the milk - makes the Moon (milk) into Venus (yougurt, dahee) Alcohol, regardless of the color, black or maroon, white or yellow, made out of grapes or grains, called Scotch, Daroo or Tharra, is all alcohol, a thing belonging to Saturn. It is a fermentation process - basically they let the stuff rot and then they filter it. And to quote Mr Dheendsa, some say Balle, Balle to the after-effect. Rajinder Bhatiarakeshrajnisharma <rakeshrajnisharma wrote: dear kulbir jee,As u said" the base solution gives birth to various microorganisms KEEDE which are killed in the process of extraction of alchohol. and anything......" Then what about Dahee ( yogurt)????rakesh sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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