Guest guest Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 Dear experts, A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered as to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please? sincerely, priya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 Dear members To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is responsible for accidents/operations. I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't write in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be effective against accidents/mishaps. i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing about this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my scooter's dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got escaped from challan .....he left me by giving a warning only..no bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any of vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a general remedy for everybody but for people with specific astrological combination only. Gurujans kindly comment ! Regards Rajeev k Khattar - bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > Dear experts, > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered > as > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please? > > sincerely, > > priya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Respected Priya di, Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a `mushtariqa object of Saturn and moon'. " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { page 840, 1952 ed } Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata makan hoga " when acting manda. I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and where a floating house on a river would anchor at. This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun sanhita 39 ed page 312 } " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya chandra ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ………chandra shani sanjha hone par chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah munh maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke makan araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it might occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. The exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . There are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and ` dukh ka nateeja'. Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take care of the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar hoga ……….ghar mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali mein pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon varna jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya us safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is advised only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is suggested. And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving it home for the first time. The explanation is simple. Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order to take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a pup home. But the pup must be all black … " mande waqt do range janwaron ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few people have a toy pup kept in their cars. I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of this Lal Kitab upaya. With regards and naman to gurujan, bhuwan lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > Dear members > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is responsible for accidents/operations. > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't write in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be effective against accidents/mishaps. > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing about this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my scooter's dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any of vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a general remedy for everybody but for people with specific astrological combination only. > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > Regards > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > - > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > Dear experts, > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered > > as > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please? > > > > sincerely, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Dear Bhuwan Ji Thanks for your prompt contribution. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha <lalkitab > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons Respected Priya di, Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a `mushtariqa object of Saturn and moon'. " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { page 840, 1952 ed } Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata makan hoga " when acting manda. I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and where a floating house on a river would anchor at. This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun sanhita 39 ed page 312 } " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya chandra ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha hone par chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah munh maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke makan araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it might occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. The exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . There are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and ` dukh ka nateeja'. Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take care of the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar hoga ....ghar mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali mein pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon varna jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya us safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is advised only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is suggested. And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving it home for the first time. The explanation is simple. Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order to take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a pup home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range janwaron ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few people have a toy pup kept in their cars. I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of this Lal Kitab upaya. With regards and naman to gurujan, bhuwan lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > Dear members > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is responsible for accidents/operations. > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't write in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be effective against accidents/mishaps. > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing about this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my scooter's dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any of vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a general remedy for everybody but for people with specific astrological combination only. > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > Regards > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > - > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > Dear experts, > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered > > as > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please? > > > > sincerely, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for both of you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too would listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when asking verification questions. sincerely, priya lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > Dear Bhuwan Ji > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > Regards > Rajeev K Khattar > > > - > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > <lalkitab > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > Respected Priya di, > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a `mushtariqa > object of Saturn and moon'. > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { page > 840, 1952 ed } > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata makan > hoga " when acting manda. > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and where > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun sanhita > 39 ed page 312 } > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya chandra > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha hone par > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah munh > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke makan > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it might > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. The > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . There > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and ` > dukh ka nateeja'. > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take care of > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar hoga ....ghar > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali mein > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon varna > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya us > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is advised > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is > suggested. > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving it > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order to > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a pup > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range janwaron > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few people have > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of this > Lal Kitab upaya. > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > bhuwan > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > Dear members > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is > responsible for accidents/operations. > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't write > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing about > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my scooter's > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any of > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > astrological combination only. > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > Regards > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > - > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered > > > as > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please? > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Priya Jee Want to try the DIY method? I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me in analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology for fixing the ascendant. Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of ourselves but hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point us in the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? Regards R S lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for both of > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too would > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when > asking verification questions. > > sincerely, > > priya > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > wrote: > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > - > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > <lalkitab > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > `mushtariqa > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { page > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata makan > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and > where > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun > sanhita > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya > chandra > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha hone > par > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah > munh > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke > makan > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it > might > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. > The > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . There > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and > ` > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take care > of > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > hoga ....ghar > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali > mein > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon > varna > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya us > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is > advised > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is > > suggested. > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving it > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order to > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a pup > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > janwaron > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few people > have > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of > this > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > Dear members > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't > write > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing > about > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > scooter's > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any > of > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > Regards > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > - > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > unanswered > > > > as > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that > please? > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Gurujans,So keeping river water in a silver container in the car is beneficial for everyone ?? pls comment. Thanks Harrit walia Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab wrote: Dear Bhuwan JiThanks for your prompt contribution.RegardsRajeev K Khattar- bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha<lalkitab >Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM[lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasonsRespected Priya di,Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said :A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a `mushtariqa object of Saturn and moon'." lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez" { page 840, 1952 ed }Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295.Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata makan hoga" when acting manda. I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and where a floating house on a river would anchor at. This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun sanhita 39 ed page 312 }" dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya chandra ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha hone par chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah munh maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke makan araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge" The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it might occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. The exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . There are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and ` dukh ka nateeja'.Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take care of the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar hoga ....ghar mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali mein pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon varna jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya us safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi" { page 843 , ed 52}Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is advised only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is suggested.And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving it home for the first time. The explanation is simple.Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order to take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a pup home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range janwaron ka matha syah kar den" . As a matter of fact quite a few people have a toy pup kept in their cars.I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of this Lal Kitab upaya. With regards and naman to gurujan,bhuwan lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote:> Dear members> To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is responsible for accidents/operations.> I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't write in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be effective against accidents/mishaps.> > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing about this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my scooter's dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any of vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ).> > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a general remedy for everybody but for people with specific astrological combination only.> > Gurujans kindly comment !> Regards> > Rajeev k Khattar> > > -> bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya>> Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm> [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons> > > Dear experts,> > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered > > as > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please?> > > > sincerely,> > > > priya> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Gurujans,So keeping river water in a silver container in the car is beneficial for everyone ?? pls comment. Thanks Harrit walia Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab wrote: Dear Bhuwan JiThanks for your prompt contribution.RegardsRajeev K Khattar- bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha<lalkitab >Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM[lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasonsRespected Priya di,Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said :A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a `mushtariqa object of Saturn and moon'." lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez" { page 840, 1952 ed }Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295.Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata makan hoga" when acting manda. I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and where a floating house on a river would anchor at. This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun sanhita 39 ed page 312 }" dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya chandra ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha hone par chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah munh maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke makan araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge" The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it might occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. The exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . There are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and ` dukh ka nateeja'.Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take care of the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar hoga ....ghar mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali mein pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon varna jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya us safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi" { page 843 , ed 52}Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is advised only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is suggested.And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving it home for the first time. The explanation is simple.Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order to take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a pup home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range janwaron ka matha syah kar den" . As a matter of fact quite a few people have a toy pup kept in their cars.I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of this Lal Kitab upaya. With regards and naman to gurujan,bhuwan lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote:> Dear members> To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is responsible for accidents/operations.> I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't write in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some lalkitabist must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be effective against accidents/mishaps.> > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing about this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my scooter's dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for not wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and got escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any of vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ).> > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a general remedy for everybody but for people with specific astrological combination only.> > Gurujans kindly comment !> Regards> > Rajeev k Khattar> > > -> bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya>> Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm> [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons> > > Dear experts,> > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still unanswered > > as > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that please?> > > > sincerely,> > > > priya> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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