Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Dear Kulbir Ji Red colour & saunf represents Mars and Mars is used to control rahu as Rahu is elephant and mahawat is mangal I had not thought so deep to include shani also. Other members may please comment. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - " ceeta bains " <ceetabains <lalkitab > Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:25 PM Re: [lalkitab] Re: Rajni Ji > yes ms. rajni you are right i think we went astray. > will u kindly help me in finding why the jutebag was > used in the first place. i can presently think as > follows > 1.jute bag is made of khakhi colour, barley and > coconet are both of the same colour which are karakas > of rahu > 2. jute bag is made out of skin of beladar plants > which are a karaka of mangal > 3. jute bag can be compared to a coarse cloth which is > a karaka of venus and venus is exalted in 12th house > 4. or probably he just wanted saunf and khand to be > contained in something and inadvertqntly used ashiyan > because that days sugar was mostly kept in jute bags > last not but the least jute is made of dead material > which has the jurisdiction of shani and shani and > mangal might have been used to control rahu as ankush > is made of iron and mahawat is mangal > khattar sahib and yograj be kind enough to help me out > regards > kulbir > --- Rajni Bhargava <rajni4051 wrote: > > > Khattar Jee, > > > > Still not convinced, Pt. Roop Chand Jee mentioned > > Khaand or Saunf ki Bori. Mangal is covered by Khaand > > or Saunf then bori or Jute bag must be having any > > separate effect. In addition, we are changing jute > > to red cloth that in my opinion is not correct. > > > > Rajni > > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote: > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > I agree with you. 'mangal kee aashiya' not only > > means karak things of > > mangal like saunf and khand , but the dull red > > colour too. The > > thailee could be small but rectangular. > > > > sabhee gurujan ko naman, > > > > with regards, > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar > > <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rajni Ji > > > IMHO Red colour must be used to include > > Mars..although the book > > has not mentioned any specific colour for the bag. > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > - > > > Rajni Bhargava > > > lalkitab > > > Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:54 AM > > > Re: [lalkitab] experience of Kulbir ji > > > > > > > > > Khattar Ji, > > > If I were to suggest this remedy than would have > > suggested a very > > small size say one or two Kgs. jute bag instead of > > red cloth.How > > about this? > > > Rajni > > > > > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir Ji > > > Thanks for your inputs and sharing experiences > > of remedies with > > us. > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > - > > > " ceeta bains " <ceetabains> > > > <lalkitab > > > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:19 PM > > > Re: [lalkitab] Rahu in 12...pillow- > > prabhakar ji > > > > > > > > > > Respected prabhakar ji, > > > > i fuly agree with khattar sahib as afr as > > mars's house > > > > wise representations are concerned it > > represents saunf > > > > in house no 1 and honey, sweetmeats and > > sugar in house > > > > no 10. as far as house no 12 is concerned > > mars > > > > represents HATHI KA MAHAWAT (kindly refer > > to the > > > > tables compiled by pt. joshi) so the > > condition of > > > > " RAAT KO AARAM KARNE WALI JAGAH PAR MANGAL > > KI ASHIYAN > > > > QAYAM KARNE SE RAHU UTTAM PHAL DEGA. " > > because pillow > > > > is the place on which the head(READ > > SUBCONCIOUS MIND) > > > > rests and saunf enwrapped in blood red > > cloth ensures > > > > that the madmast hathi of sub cocious mind > > is > > > > controlled by the mahawat of rahu. in other > > words it > > > > does the job of ANKUSH. i have first hand > > experience > > > > that it is a wonerful remedy as remarked by > > mr. > > > > khattar. > > > > Rgards > > > > kulbir > > > > --- Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabhakar Ji > > > > > In modern time,it is not practical to keep > > a big bag > > > > > of saunf/khand in small > > > > > bedrooms. moreover people living abroad > > can't get > > > > > bagfull of saunf/khand,so > > > > > i thought of this idea becaoz pillow is a > > part of > > > > > bedroom( 12th house) ,red > > > > > cloth symbolises mars,saunf is also mars. > > It has > > > > > given positive results to > > > > > many people whom i have suggested to do > > like this. > > > > > comments from Gurujans welcome > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " Yograj Prabhakar " > > <yr_prabhakar> > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > Monday, August 02, 2004 11:16 PM > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] case of Mr.shrisha > > Prasad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Khattar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify my one doubt regarding > > Keeping > > > > > Saunf > > > > > > under the pillow for RAHU in 12th house. > > The way > > > > > you > > > > > > have prescribed is no where mentioned in > > the Lal > > > > > Kiab. > > > > > > > > > > > > On page no.688 of Lal Kitab 1952 Urdu > > edition it > > > > > is > > > > > > like that : > > > > > > > > > > > > " RAAT KO AARAM KARNE WALI JAGAH PAR > > MANGAL KI > > > > > ASHIYAN > > > > > > (KHAAND KI BORI YAA SAUNF KI BORI) QAYAM > > KARNE SE > > > > > RAHU > > > > > > UTTAM PHAL DEGA). " > > > > > > > > > > > > So how come the word pillow emerged. Is > > there any > > > > > > secret behind this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall be highly obliged if your good > > self can > > > > > > clarify the above mentioned way of > > remedy for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > > > Kindly comment on case analysis of > > Mr.Shrisha > > > > > > > Prasad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details are : Time 11 AM , > > > > > Place:Bangalore, > > > > > > > Name :SHRISHA PRASAD R , Date > > 18-08-1979 > > > > > > > Problem : insecurity/fear of losing > > job > > > > > > > CHART > > > > > > > Ketu khana no.5 > > > > > > > Moon and Mars Khana no.9 > > > > > > > Mer,Jup,Ven khana no.10 > > > > > > > Sun,sat and Rahu Khana no.11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Precautions to follow life long ( from > > janam > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart ) > > > > > > > 1.Sun and Sat together in 11---not to > > take > > > > > non-veg. > > > > > > > and alcohol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.Jup in 10 ---Not to help others by > > going > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 khattar sahib kuch naya bataiye yeh mahawat aur hathi ki at to bahut pehle ho chuki lagta hai aapne message shuru se padhanahin . yun to jute bag jaali ki shakal mein hota hai aur jali rahu hai coconut, khakhi rang aur jaali= to bori bani rahu ki; shape rectangular bani mangal nek ki; beech mein mangal ki karak vastuain. chaliya gahre uttarte hain yeh hathi aur mahawat saunf aur red colour ki batein to bache bhi kar lete hain kulbir Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab wrote: Dear Kulbir JiRed colour & saunf represents Mars and Mars is used to control rahu asRahu is elephant and mahawat is mangalI had not thought so deep to include shani also. Other members may pleasecomment.RegardsRajeev K Khattar-"ceeta bains" <ceetabains<lalkitab >Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:25 PMRe: [lalkitab] Re: Rajni Ji> yes ms. rajni you are right i think we went astray.> will u kindly help me in finding why the jutebag was> used in the first place. i can presently think as> follows> 1.jute bag is made of khakhi colour, barley and> coconet are both of the same colour which are karakas> of rahu> 2. jute bag is made out of skin of beladar plants> which are a karaka of mangal> 3. jute bag can be compared to a coarse cloth which is> a karaka of venus and venus is exalted in 12th house> 4. or probably he just wanted saunf and khand to be> contained in something and inadvertqntly used ashiyan> because that days sugar was mostly kept in jute bags> last not but the least jute is made of dead material> which has the jurisdiction of shani and shani and> mangal might have been used to control rahu as ankush> is made of iron and mahawat is mangal> khattar sahib and yograj be kind enough to help me out> regards> kulbir> --- Rajni Bhargava <rajni4051 wrote:>> > Khattar Jee,> >> > Still not convinced, Pt. Roop Chand Jee mentioned> > Khaand or Saunf ki Bori. Mangal is covered by Khaand> > or Saunf then bori or Jute bag must be having any> > separate effect. In addition, we are changing jute> > to red cloth that in my opinion is not correct.> >> > Rajni> >> >> >> > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote:> > Respected Khattar jee,> >> > I agree with you. 'mangal kee aashiya' not only> > means karak things of> > mangal like saunf and khand , but the dull red> > colour too. The> > thailee could be small but rectangular.> >> > sabhee gurujan ko naman,> >> > with regards,> >> > bhuwan> >> >> > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar> > <lalkitab@v...>> > wrote:> > > Dear Rajni Ji> > > IMHO Red colour must be used to include> > Mars..although the book> > has not mentioned any specific colour for the bag.> > > Regards> > > Rajeev K Khattar> > > -> > > Rajni Bhargava> > > lalkitab > > > Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:54 AM> > > Re: [lalkitab] experience of Kulbir ji> > >> > >> > > Khattar Ji,> > > If I were to suggest this remedy than would have> > suggested a very> > small size say one or two Kgs. jute bag instead of> > red cloth.How> > about this?> > > Rajni> > >> > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote:> > > Dear Kulbir Ji> > > Thanks for your inputs and sharing experiences> > of remedies with> > us.> > > Regards> > > Rajeev K Khattar> > >> > > -> > > "ceeta bains" <ceetabains>> > > <lalkitab >> > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:19 PM> > > Re: [lalkitab] Rahu in 12...pillow-> > prabhakar ji> > >> > >> > > > Respected prabhakar ji,> > > > i fuly agree with khattar sahib as afr as> > mars's house> > > > wise representations are concerned it> > represents saunf> > > > in house no 1 and honey, sweetmeats and> > sugar in house> > > > no 10. as far as house no 12 is concerned> > mars> > > > represents HATHI KA MAHAWAT (kindly refer> > to the> > > > tables compiled by pt. joshi) so the> > condition of> > > > "RAAT KO AARAM KARNE WALI JAGAH PAR MANGAL> > KI ASHIYAN> > > > QAYAM KARNE SE RAHU UTTAM PHAL DEGA."> > because pillow> > > > is the place on which the head(READ> > SUBCONCIOUS MIND)> > > > rests and saunf enwrapped in blood red> > cloth ensures> > > > that the madmast hathi of sub cocious mind> > is> > > > controlled by the mahawat of rahu. in other> > words it> > > > does the job of ANKUSH. i have first hand> > experience> > > > that it is a wonerful remedy as remarked by> > mr.> > > > khattar.> > > > Rgards> > > > kulbir> > > > --- Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear Prabhakar Ji> > > > > In modern time,it is not practical to keep> > a big bag> > > > > of saunf/khand in small> > > > > bedrooms. moreover people living abroad> > can't get> > > > > bagfull of saunf/khand,so> > > > > i thought of this idea becaoz pillow is a> > part of> > > > > bedroom( 12th house) ,red> > > > > cloth symbolises mars,saunf is also mars.> > It has> > > > > given positive results to> > > > > many people whom i have suggested to do> > like this.> > > > > comments from Gurujans welcome> > > > > Regards> > > > > Rajeev K Khattar> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > "Yograj Prabhakar"> > <yr_prabhakar>> > > > > <lalkitab >> > > > > Monday, August 02, 2004 11:16 PM> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] case of Mr.shrisha> > Prasad> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Respected Khattar Ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Please clarify my one doubt regarding> > Keeping> > > > > Saunf> > > > > > under the pillow for RAHU in 12th house.> > The way> > > > > you> > > > > > have prescribed is no where mentioned in> > the Lal> > > > > Kiab.> > > > > >> > > > > > On page no.688 of Lal Kitab 1952 Urdu> > edition it> > > > > is> > > > > > like that :> > > > > >> > > > > > "RAAT KO AARAM KARNE WALI JAGAH PAR> > MANGAL KI> > > > > ASHIYAN> > > > > > (KHAAND KI BORI YAA SAUNF KI BORI) QAYAM> > KARNE SE> > > > > RAHU> > > > > > UTTAM PHAL DEGA)."> > > > > >> > > > > > So how come the word pillow emerged. Is> > there any> > > > > > secret behind this ?> > > > > >> > > > > > I shall be highly obliged if your good> > self can> > > > > > clarify the above mentioned way of> > remedy for me.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards.> > > > > >> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...>> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Gurujans> > > > > > > Pranam> > > > > > > Kindly comment on case analysis of> > Mr.Shrisha> > > > > > > Prasad.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > birth details are : Time 11 AM ,> > > > > Place:Bangalore,> > > > > > > Name :SHRISHA PRASAD R , Date> > 18-08-1979> > > > > > > Problem : insecurity/fear of losing> > job> > > > > > > CHART> > > > > > > Ketu khana no.5> > > > > > > Moon and Mars Khana no.9> > > > > > > Mer,Jup,Ven khana no.10> > > > > > > Sun,sat and Rahu Khana no.11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Precautions to follow life long ( from> > janam> > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > chart )> > > > > > > 1.Sun and Sat together in 11---not to> > take> > > > > non-veg.> > > > > > > and alcohol,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2.Jup in 10 ---Not to help others by> > going> === message truncated ===>>>>>> > > > >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Respected Kulbir jee, We are talking about saunf and khand upaya as if that is the only medicine of choice for rahu in the 12th . This 'mangal ki aashiya' upaya is only for the 'bure vichar'and consequently sleepless nights which occur because of rahu here. Mangal is associated with blood in the human body and it is believed that " jaisa khoon hoga vaise vichar honge " thats why , I think , mangal becomes so relevent here. But what if in the kundali mangal is bad { malevolent }? Would we still want to establish the karak objects of mangal ? I think not. In that case , I would prefer taking the help of Moon { if benefic } because Rahu keeps quiet when with moon. Or if saturn aspects rahu , then will take the help of saturn { if benefic } because rahu considers saturn as its guru and acts according to the wishes of saturn And of course the upaya to eat in the kitchen is also there.This also helps in diminishing the zahar of rahu. sabhee gurujan ko naman, bhuwan lalkitab , ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > khattar sahib kuch naya bataiye yeh mahawat aur hathi ki at to bahut pehle ho chuki lagta hai aapne message shuru se padhanahin . yun to jute bag jaali ki shakal mein hota hai aur jali rahu hai coconut, khakhi rang aur jaali= to bori bani rahu ki; shape rectangular bani mangal nek ki; beech mein mangal ki karak vastuain. chaliya gahre uttarte hain yeh hathi aur mahawat saunf aur red colour ki batein to bache bhi kar lete hain > kulbir > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > Dear Kulbir Ji > Red colour & saunf represents Mars and Mars is used to control rahu as > Rahu is elephant and mahawat is mangal > I had not thought so deep to include shani also. Other members may please > comment. > Regards > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > - > " ceeta bains " <ceetabains> > <lalkitab > > Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:25 PM > Re: [lalkitab] Re: Rajni Ji > > > > yes ms. rajni you are right i think we went astray. > > will u kindly help me in finding why the jutebag was > > used in the first place. i can presently think as > > follows > > 1.jute bag is made of khakhi colour, barley and > > coconet are both of the same colour which are karakas > > of rahu > > 2. jute bag is made out of skin of beladar plants > > which are a karaka of mangal > > 3. jute bag can be compared to a coarse cloth which is > > a karaka of venus and venus is exalted in 12th house > > 4. or probably he just wanted saunf and khand to be > > contained in something and inadvertqntly used ashiyan > > because that days sugar was mostly kept in jute bags > > last not but the least jute is made of dead material > > which has the jurisdiction of shani and shani and > > mangal might have been used to control rahu as ankush > > is made of iron and mahawat is mangal > > khattar sahib and yograj be kind enough to help me out > > regards > > kulbir > > --- Rajni Bhargava <rajni4051> wrote: > > > > > Khattar Jee, > > > > > > Still not convinced, Pt. Roop Chand Jee mentioned > > > Khaand or Saunf ki Bori. Mangal is covered by Khaand > > > or Saunf then bori or Jute bag must be having any > > > separate effect. In addition, we are changing jute > > > to red cloth that in my opinion is not correct. > > > > > > Rajni > > > > > > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > > > I agree with you. 'mangal kee aashiya' not only > > > means karak things of > > > mangal like saunf and khand , but the dull red > > > colour too. The > > > thailee could be small but rectangular. > > > > > > sabhee gurujan ko naman, > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar > > > <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rajni Ji > > > > IMHO Red colour must be used to include > > > Mars..although the book > > > has not mentioned any specific colour for the bag. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > - > > > > Rajni Bhargava > > > > lalkitab > > > > Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:54 AM > > > > Re: [lalkitab] experience of Kulbir ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Khattar Ji, > > > > If I were to suggest this remedy than would have > > > suggested a very > > > small size say one or two Kgs. jute bag instead of > > > red cloth.How > > > about this? > > > > Rajni > > > > > > > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji > > > > Thanks for your inputs and sharing experiences > > > of remedies with > > > us. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > - > > > > " ceeta bains " <ceetabains> > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:19 PM > > > > Re: [lalkitab] Rahu in 12...pillow- > > > prabhakar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected prabhakar ji, > > > > > i fuly agree with khattar sahib as afr as > > > mars's house > > > > > wise representations are concerned it > > > represents saunf > > > > > in house no 1 and honey, sweetmeats and > > > sugar in house > > > > > no 10. as far as house no 12 is concerned > > > mars > > > > > represents HATHI KA MAHAWAT (kindly refer > > > to the > > > > > tables compiled by pt. joshi) so the > > > condition of > > > > > " RAAT KO AARAM KARNE WALI JAGAH PAR MANGAL > > > KI ASHIYAN > > > > > QAYAM KARNE SE RAHU UTTAM PHAL DEGA. " > > > because pillow > > > > > is the place on which the head(READ > > > SUBCONCIOUS MIND) > > > > > rests and saunf enwrapped in blood red > > > cloth ensures > > > > > that the madmast hathi of sub cocious mind > > > is > > > > > controlled by the mahawat of rahu. in other > > > words it > > > > > does the job of ANKUSH. i have first hand > > > experience > > > > > that it is a wonerful remedy as remarked by > > > mr. > > > > > khattar. > > > > > Rgards > > > > > kulbir > > > > > --- Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabhakar Ji > > > > > > In modern time,it is not practical to keep > > > a big bag > > > > > > of saunf/khand in small > > > > > > bedrooms. moreover people living abroad > > > can't get > > > > > > bagfull of saunf/khand,so > > > > > > i thought of this idea becaoz pillow is a > > > part of > > > > > > bedroom( 12th house) ,red > > > > > > cloth symbolises mars,saunf is also mars. > > > It has > > > > > > given positive results to > > > > > > many people whom i have suggested to do > > > like this. > > > > > > comments from Gurujans welcome > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > " Yograj Prabhakar " > > > <yr_prabhakar> > > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > > Monday, August 02, 2004 11:16 PM > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] case of Mr.shrisha > > > Prasad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Khattar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify my one doubt regarding > > > Keeping > > > > > > Saunf > > > > > > > under the pillow for RAHU in 12th house. > > > The way > > > > > > you > > > > > > > have prescribed is no where mentioned in > > > the Lal > > > > > > Kiab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On page no.688 of Lal Kitab 1952 Urdu > > > edition it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > like that : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " RAAT KO AARAM KARNE WALI JAGAH PAR > > > MANGAL KI > > > > > > ASHIYAN > > > > > > > (KHAAND KI BORI YAA SAUNF KI BORI) QAYAM > > > KARNE SE > > > > > > RAHU > > > > > > > UTTAM PHAL DEGA). " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how come the word pillow emerged. Is > > > there any > > > > > > > secret behind this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall be highly obliged if your good > > > self can > > > > > > > clarify the above mentioned way of > > > remedy for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on case analysis of > > > Mr.Shrisha > > > > > > > > Prasad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details are : Time 11 AM , > > > > > > Place:Bangalore, > > > > > > > > Name :SHRISHA PRASAD R , Date > > > 18-08-1979 > > > > > > > > Problem : insecurity/fear of losing > > > job > > > > > > > > CHART > > > > > > > > Ketu khana no.5 > > > > > > > > Moon and Mars Khana no.9 > > > > > > > > Mer,Jup,Ven khana no.10 > > > > > > > > Sun,sat and Rahu Khana no.11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Precautions to follow life long ( from > > > janam > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > chart ) > > > > > > > > 1.Sun and Sat together in 11---not to > > > take > > > > > > non-veg. > > > > > > > > and alcohol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.Jup in 10 ---Not to help others by > > > going > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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