Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Respected Rakesh Sharma jee, First the concept of Grah Phal and Rasi Phal : Firstly , this catagorization is used primarily for devising upaya. Secondly , it is applicable only for the Janma Kundali and not the Varsh Kundali. Each house has been assigned planet/s which would be considered as of grah phal or rasi phal. Every book on Lal Kitab carries a table for this. If a planet is of grah phal { that means we are talking about the janma kundali } there can be NO UPAYA ,except that a 'siddha purush' alone by his spiritual powers can do the upaya for that planet.Where as upaya for a rasi phal planet can be suggested and done. For example , If Saturn is in the 3rd house in the janma kundali , and if an upaya is needed for it , then Saturn is considered of rasi phal only for financial matters and not for other menifestations. Therefore the upaya for its placement in the janma kundali can be done only for financial manifestations. If the saturn is in the 10th house , in the janma kundali , it is of grah phal , therefore no upaya can be done. In a varsh phal kundali all the planets are considered as of rasi phal therefore their upaya can be suggested. now coming to your second query regarding pakka ghar , ghar ka swami etc. Each house has been designated as a pakka ghar of planet/s , like the 3rd house , it is a pakka ghar of Mars , it is owned by Mercury { mithun rasi }. Let us understand it thus; 3rd house , the land belongs to Mars , where Mercury has constructed its house and any planet placed in the house will be a tenant in that house. Suppose Saturn is placed in the third house then it is a tenant in the house of Mercury whose land is owned by Mars. This concept is applicable both for the janma kundali as well as the varsh phal kundali. The relevance of this is that while analysing the effects of saturn in the 3rd house we have to keep in mind the owner of the land { mars } and the house lord { mercury }and their friend/enemy relationship. In a way the results will be something like mars+merc+sat combination. The influence of mars and mercury would be there. sabhi gurujan ko naman, bhuwan lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > - > Here are some questions if anybody can help me > What is difference between graha phal and sign phal. > owner of the house is clear to me but pucca ghar and its function is > not very very clear > > BUT GRAHA PHAL AND THE SIGN PHAL IF ANYBODY HELP ME BY TAKING SOME > EAXAMPLES. > RAKESH > > > > -- In lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Punit Sir, > > Sorry to cause confusion. I meant exaltation purely in LalKitab > terms. I should have used the word benefic instead (oonch haalat in > terms of LK). > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Bhatia ji, > > > > What do you mean by exalted. In classical astrology, Saturn is > exalted means Saturn in Libra sign. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Khattar Sahib, > > That is true ONLY if Saturn in the sixth is exalted, otherwise this > does not hold. You have to ensure that all the conditions for its > exalted state are met. Additionally, all the conditions which may > cause its effect to be malefic, must not be met. > > > > Taking sugar with water before leaving home helps if Sun is not > malefic (in 6th or 7th). Honey can be dangerous if Mars and or Saturn > are badly posited. > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > About Muhurata from lalkitab, .....shani in 6th house,person should > do important work after sunset,starting new venture on amavasya night > will prove to be very fruitful. > > second--before leaving house,one should take some sweet ( sugar / > honey ) to take care of mischiefs of Rahu . > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Rakeshji Grah phal planet will give its effect it cannot be remedied but help can be taken by masnui parts of the particular planet as per my little understanding. But, would be looking for further guidance by the other learned members as bhuvan ji has suggested it can be done only by a highly spritual being (no doubt can do anything) but have not encountered any such writing in the lal kitab transliterations especially the most recommended G & V. kindly keep the topic alive till the discussion is satisfactorily concluded. Regards Abhay - bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:48:11 -0000 [lalkitab] Re: a doubt / lal kitab lalkitab Respected Rakesh Sharma jee, First the concept of Grah Phal and Rasi Phal : Firstly , this catagorization is used primarily for devising upaya. Secondly , it is applicable only for the Janma Kundali and not the Varsh Kundali. Each house has been assigned planet/s which would be considered as of grah phal or rasi phal. Every book on Lal Kitab carries a table for this. If a planet is of grah phal { that means we are talking about the janma kundali } there can be NO UPAYA ,except that a 'siddha purush' alone by his spiritual powers can do the upaya for that planet.Where as upaya for a rasi phal planet can be suggested and done. For example , If Saturn is in the 3rd house in the janma kundali , and if an upaya is needed for it , then Saturn is considered of rasi phal only for financial matters and not for other menifestations. Therefore the upaya for its placement in the janma kundali can be done only for financial manifestations. If the saturn is in the 10th house , in the janma kundali , it is of grah phal , therefore no upaya can be done. In a varsh phal kundali all the planets are considered as of rasi phal therefore their upaya can be suggested. now coming to your second query regarding pakka ghar , ghar ka swami etc. Each house has been designated as a pakka ghar of planet/s , like the 3rd house , it is a pakka ghar of Mars , it is owned by Mercury { mithun rasi }. Let us understand it thus; 3rd house , the land belongs to Mars , where Mercury has constructed its house and any planet placed in the house will be a tenant in that house. Suppose Saturn is placed in the third house then it is a tenant in the house of Mercury whose land is owned by Mars. This concept is applicable both for the janma kundali as well as the varsh phal kundali. The relevance of this is that while analysing the effects of saturn in the 3rd house we have to keep in mind the owner of the land { mars } and the house lord { mercury }and their friend/enemy relationship. In a way the results will be something like mars+merc+sat combination. The influence of mars and mercury would be there. sabhi gurujan ko naman, bhuwan lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > - > Here are some questions if anybody can help me > What is difference between graha phal and sign phal. > owner of the house is clear to me but pucca ghar and its function is > not very very clear > > BUT GRAHA PHAL AND THE SIGN PHAL IF ANYBODY HELP ME BY TAKING SOME > EAXAMPLES. > RAKESH > > > > -- In lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Punit Sir, > > Sorry to cause confusion. I meant exaltation purely in LalKitab > terms. I should have used the word benefic instead (oonch haalat in > terms of LK). > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Bhatia ji, > > > > What do you mean by exalted. In classical astrology, Saturn is > exalted means Saturn in Libra sign. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Khattar Sahib, > > That is true ONLY if Saturn in the sixth is exalted, otherwise this > does not hold. You have to ensure that all the conditions for its > exalted state are met. Additionally, all the conditions which may > cause its effect to be malefic, must not be met. > > > > Taking sugar with water before leaving home helps if Sun is not > malefic (in 6th or 7th). Honey can be dangerous if Mars and or Saturn > are badly posited. > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > About Muhurata from lalkitab, .....shani in 6th house,person should > do important work after sunset,starting new venture on amavasya night > will prove to be very fruitful. > > second--before leaving house,one should take some sweet ( sugar / > honey ) to take care of mischiefs of Rahu . > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Respected Abhay jee, I am quoting from urdu ed 1952 page 38 " ..... to woh grah 'grah phal' ya pakki halat ka grah hoga jiska asar hamesha ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai aur uske bure asar ko tabdeel karne ki koshish karana bemanee , balki insanee taqat se bahar hogi/ sisrf khas-khas parmatmaa tak pahunchwali aur kuchh ek visesh hastiyan hi rekh mein mekh de saktee hain ...... " The explanation goes on to quote Baabar and Humayun incedent etc. Even G & V on page 77 top says " It would be fruitless to make efforts to remedy its malefic effects.It would be rather beyond human strength.Only a few God's men may have the ability to alter the course of destiny " I believe you have missed these lines while reading G & V. sabhee gurujan ko naman, bhuwan lalkitab , Abhay <bindug@g...> wrote: > Rakeshji > > Grah phal planet will give its effect it cannot be remedied but help > can be taken by masnui parts of the particular planet as per my little > understanding. > > But, would be looking for further guidance by the other learned > members as bhuvan ji has suggested it can be done only by a highly > spritual being (no doubt can do anything) but have not encountered any > such writing in the lal kitab transliterations especially the most > recommended G & V. > > kindly keep the topic alive till the discussion is satisfactorily concluded. > > Regards > Abhay > > > > > - > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:48:11 -0000 > [lalkitab] Re: a doubt / lal kitab > lalkitab > > Respected Rakesh Sharma jee, > > First the concept of Grah Phal and Rasi Phal : > > Firstly , this catagorization is used primarily for devising upaya. > Secondly , it is applicable only for the Janma Kundali and not the > Varsh Kundali. Each house has been assigned planet/s which would be > considered as of grah phal or rasi phal. Every book on Lal Kitab > carries a table for this. > > If a planet is of grah phal { that means we are talking about the > janma kundali } there can be NO UPAYA ,except that a 'siddha purush' > alone by his spiritual powers can do the upaya for that planet.Where > as upaya for a rasi phal planet can be suggested and done. For > example , If Saturn is in the 3rd house in the janma kundali , and if > an upaya is needed for it , then Saturn is considered of rasi phal > only for financial matters and not for other menifestations. > Therefore the upaya for its placement in the janma kundali can be > done only for financial manifestations. If the saturn is in the 10th > house , in the janma kundali , it is of grah phal , therefore no > upaya can be done. > > In a varsh phal kundali all the planets are considered as of rasi > phal therefore their upaya can be suggested. > > now coming to your second query regarding pakka ghar , ghar ka swami > etc. > > Each house has been designated as a pakka ghar of planet/s , like > the 3rd house , it is a pakka ghar of Mars , it is owned by Mercury > { mithun rasi }. Let us understand it thus; 3rd house , the land > belongs to Mars , where Mercury has constructed its house and any > planet placed in the house will be a tenant in that house. Suppose > Saturn is placed in the third house then it is a tenant in the house > of Mercury whose land is owned by Mars. > > This concept is applicable both for the janma kundali as well as the > varsh phal kundali. > The relevance of this is that while analysing the effects of saturn > in the 3rd house we have to keep in mind the owner of the land { > mars } and the house lord { mercury }and their friend/enemy > relationship. In a way the results will be something like > mars+merc+sat combination. The influence of mars and mercury would be > there. > > sabhi gurujan ko naman, > > bhuwan > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > - > > Here are some questions if anybody can help me > > What is difference between graha phal and sign phal. > > owner of the house is clear to me but pucca ghar and its function > is > > not very very clear > > > > BUT GRAHA PHAL AND THE SIGN PHAL IF ANYBODY HELP ME BY TAKING SOME > > EAXAMPLES. > > RAKESH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > Punit Sir, > > > Sorry to cause confusion. I meant exaltation purely in LalKitab > > terms. I should have used the word benefic instead (oonch haalat in > > terms of LK). > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Bhatia ji, > > > > > > What do you mean by exalted. In classical astrology, Saturn is > > exalted means Saturn in Libra sign. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > Khattar Sahib, > > > That is true ONLY if Saturn in the sixth is exalted, otherwise > this > > does not hold. You have to ensure that all the conditions for its > > exalted state are met. Additionally, all the conditions which may > > cause its effect to be malefic, must not be met. > > > > > > Taking sugar with water before leaving home helps if Sun is not > > malefic (in 6th or 7th). Honey can be dangerous if Mars and or > Saturn > > are badly posited. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > > > About Muhurata from lalkitab, .....shani in 6th house,person > should > > do important work after sunset,starting new venture on amavasya > night > > will prove to be very fruitful. > > > second--before leaving house,one should take some sweet ( sugar / > > honey ) to take care of mischiefs of Rahu . > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 RESPECTED BHUWAN JEE , Thanx for the pain u took to answer this question. Sir as u mentioned that " Let us understand it thus; 3rd house , the land belongs to Mars , where Mercury has constructed its house and any planet placed in the house will be a tenant in that house. Suppose Saturn is placed in the third house then it is a tenant in the house of Mercury whose land is owned by Mars. " If the land is owned by mars to agar land khisak jai to mercury kya karega aur tanent ko to bechaara hona parega. Should we think like this mercury and saturn are on the rehum(mercy)of mars or in other words the mars is the strongest and shuold be made happy rakesh lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Respected Rakesh Sharma jee, > > First the concept of Grah Phal and Rasi Phal : > > Firstly , this catagorization is used primarily for devising upaya. > Secondly , it is applicable only for the Janma Kundali and not the > Varsh Kundali. Each house has been assigned planet/s which would be > considered as of grah phal or rasi phal. Every book on Lal Kitab > carries a table for this. > > If a planet is of grah phal { that means we are talking about the > janma kundali } there can be NO UPAYA ,except that a 'siddha purush' > alone by his spiritual powers can do the upaya for that planet.Where > as upaya for a rasi phal planet can be suggested and done. For > example , If Saturn is in the 3rd house in the janma kundali , and if > an upaya is needed for it , then Saturn is considered of rasi phal > only for financial matters and not for other menifestations. > Therefore the upaya for its placement in the janma kundali can be > done only for financial manifestations. If the saturn is in the 10th > house , in the janma kundali , it is of grah phal , therefore no > upaya can be done. > > In a varsh phal kundali all the planets are considered as of rasi > phal therefore their upaya can be suggested. > > now coming to your second query regarding pakka ghar , ghar ka swami > etc. > > Each house has been designated as a pakka ghar of planet/s , like > the 3rd house , it is a pakka ghar of Mars , it is owned by Mercury > { mithun rasi }. Let us understand it thus; 3rd house , the land > belongs to Mars , where Mercury has constructed its house and any > planet placed in the house will be a tenant in that house. Suppose > Saturn is placed in the third house then it is a tenant in the house > of Mercury whose land is owned by Mars. > > This concept is applicable both for the janma kundali as well as the > varsh phal kundali. > The relevance of this is that while analysing the effects of saturn > in the 3rd house we have to keep in mind the owner of the land { > mars } and the house lord { mercury }and their friend/enemy > relationship. In a way the results will be something like > mars+merc+sat combination. The influence of mars and mercury would be > there. > > sabhi gurujan ko naman, > > bhuwan > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > - > > Here are some questions if anybody can help me > > What is difference between graha phal and sign phal. > > owner of the house is clear to me but pucca ghar and its function > is > > not very very clear > > > > BUT GRAHA PHAL AND THE SIGN PHAL IF ANYBODY HELP ME BY TAKING SOME > > EAXAMPLES. > > RAKESH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > Punit Sir, > > > Sorry to cause confusion. I meant exaltation purely in LalKitab > > terms. I should have used the word benefic instead (oonch haalat in > > terms of LK). > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Bhatia ji, > > > > > > What do you mean by exalted. In classical astrology, Saturn is > > exalted means Saturn in Libra sign. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > Khattar Sahib, > > > That is true ONLY if Saturn in the sixth is exalted, otherwise > this > > does not hold. You have to ensure that all the conditions for its > > exalted state are met. Additionally, all the conditions which may > > cause its effect to be malefic, must not be met. > > > > > > Taking sugar with water before leaving home helps if Sun is not > > malefic (in 6th or 7th). Honey can be dangerous if Mars and or > Saturn > > are badly posited. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > > > > > > About Muhurata from lalkitab, .....shani in 6th house,person > should > > do important work after sunset,starting new venture on amavasya > night > > will prove to be very fruitful. > > > second--before leaving house,one should take some sweet ( sugar / > > honey ) to take care of mischiefs of Rahu . > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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