Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Respected sahgal jee, and other respected gurujan, I donot know what to suggest you. I can tell you how i learn Lal Kitab. First thing is to find a guru who is willing to give some time and then like a shishya , poori vinamrata ke sath seekhana hota hai.kabhi kabhi bete ki tarah guru jee ke ghar ke kaam bhi karne hote hain. kyon ki Astrology aisi vidya hai jo ' distance learning ' se nahi seekhi ja sakti. Astrology to kitab parhne se bhi nahi seekhi ja sakati. And you are trying to learn astrology through a , which is not possible.No body will teach you here. Why should any body devote time to teach. what you do for them. mujhe yeh ahsas bahut pahale ho gaya tha ki mein koi kisi ko nahi sikhata. I have found a respected guru who explans the basics , the rest I have to do myself. Mein is group mein kewal is liye aata hun ki aadarniya Upadhyay jee and Lal Kiatbee ji ke bataye upayon ka adhyayan kar sakoon. Eklavya ki tarah. I have never written or spoken to these gurus . I analyse every single upaya suggested by these learned gurus. I have never asked them to explain the logic. I have to find the logic on my own. And after a year now I find the logic for every upaya by them. this is how I am learning Lal Kitab. You make your choice. with respect to all the gurujan, bhuwan lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Vashishtha ji, > > I would like to submit with all humility that maybe Kulbir is > suggesting this for the benefit of the people who are in my position > i.e. interested in learning the subject and are currently muddling > through it. > > Insofar as the wishes/advices of Late Pt Rup Chand ji are concerned as > to the purposes to which this text should be used for, I am sure > everyone will agree with you that we should not only abide by the > letter but also the spirit of his writings. > > I am sure you are aware of the chinese saying " Give a man a fish he > will eat for a day, Teach a man to fish he will eat for life " . It is > in the spirit of this saying, that I had initially floated an idea of > analysing any tewa for the purposes of the education of those willing > to learn the subject. But if my memory serves me right, I was told > about the hazards of self-medication.I let that piece of nonsense pass > simply because I am not here to get into confrontations,arguements. I > am here to acquire knowledge. Therefore for the benfit of people like > me I will once again request you to consider Kulbir's suggestion in > the light of the submission I am making today. > > If however you feel this is not the right approach to be adopted, > valued suggestions from learned members like you shall help neophytes > like me take the correct path and further our learning process. > > I hope that in addition to helping those who come to you for > resolution of their problems, you and other learned members of the > group will also try to share some of your knowledge with people like > me. > > Warm Regards > > > > Rakesh Sahgal > > > > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > Shri Kulbir Singh Jee, and other respected gurjan, > > > > Analyse horoscopes? for what ? If you want to analyse horoscopes to > > predict future events then it will amount to ' band mutthi ke raz > > kholana jo prakrit ke khilaf hoga.' I think the best place to do > such > > analysis would be traditional astrology groups. > > > > There is only ONE objective of the Lal Kitab mentioned in two forms > > in the opening paragraph of the book. and I quote from the book > 1952 > > ed. > > > > ( 1 ). " kismat ke maidan mein, agar kahin paani ki naali peechhe > se > > bhari arahi ho,aur uske raste mein koi eent patthar gir kar uski > > rawangi ko rok raha ho to majmoon ki madad se us kankar patthar ko > > door kar ke paani ki chal ko durust karne ki bamouka koshish ki ja > > sakti hai magar pani ki miqdar ya kismat ke maidan mein koi kami- > > beshi nahi ki ja sakti " > > > > ( 2 ) " han itna zaroor hai ki yeh mazmoon baaz auqat apni barkat se > > kisi prani par hamla karne wale zalim sher ke samne aisi gaibi > deewar > > khari kar dega jis se woh sher uska kuchh bigar na sake..... " > > > > Now, where do you find a place for any horoscope analysis here? The > > objective of the book has been clearly laid down. It is to suggest > > Upaya for those in trouble. > > > > Any way, I am still a student of Lal Kitab, and i am not authorise > to > > suggest upaya even. I am learning with my guru aadarneeya Pt. Net > Ram > > jee, and also learn from respected Upadhyay jee and Lal Kitabee jee. > > > > Therefore, I am against any future prediction based on Lal Kitab. > > Yes , if you have to analyse for future prediction then Vedic > > astrology will be right choice. > > > > with respect to all the gurujan > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains " > > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > bhuwan ji, > > > i fully agree with, it would be really good for this group if we > > > concentrate on analysing horoscopes as per a lakitab. however i > > would > > > like to make a suggetsion. > > > let's take one horoscope at a time and discuss it fully applying > all > > > the applicable principles of lalkitab. in fact let's discuss the > > > horoscopes of all the 316 members one by one. > > > let's do one case study in detail, it will set the guidelines for > > > further analysis and we can then proceed to the next one. > > > let's discuss one male horoscope and one female horoscope in the > > > beggining. > > > it will only be possible if all the learned members partcipate. > > > if you have any other path in your mind let's go by it. > > > regards > > > kulbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Vashishtha jee, Atleast I know where you stand. You are apparently not aware how this community of people i.e. " groups " sharing common interests are furthering the horizons of their knowledge sitting in distant locations across the globe in disparate fields of endeavour. Insofar as why anyone does anything for anybody , very debatable so we shall let it pass too. Too much bandwidth will be wasted on a pointless arguement . I will submit that the process of learning need not be constrained by the lack of physical contact. You think otherwise, so be it. Warm Regards R S lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Respected sahgal jee, and other respected gurujan, > > I donot know what to suggest you. I can tell you how i learn Lal > Kitab. First thing is to find a guru who is willing to give some time > and then like a shishya , poori vinamrata ke sath seekhana hota > hai.kabhi kabhi bete ki tarah guru jee ke ghar ke kaam bhi karne hote > hain. kyon ki Astrology aisi vidya hai jo ' distance learning ' se > nahi seekhi ja sakti. Astrology to kitab parhne se bhi nahi seekhi ja > sakati. And you are trying to learn astrology through a group, > which is not possible.No body will teach you here. Why should any > body devote time to teach. what you do for them. mujhe yeh ahsas > bahut pahale ho gaya tha ki mein koi kisi ko nahi > sikhata. I have found a respected guru who explans the basics , the > rest I have to do myself. > > Mein is group mein kewal is liye aata hun ki aadarniya Upadhyay jee > and Lal Kiatbee ji ke bataye upayon ka adhyayan kar sakoon. Eklavya > ki tarah. I have never written or spoken to these gurus . I analyse > every single upaya suggested by these learned gurus. I have never > asked them to explain the logic. I have to find the logic on my own. > And after a year now I find the logic for every upaya by them. > > this is how I am learning Lal Kitab. You make your choice. > > with respect to all the gurujan, > > bhuwan > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Vashishtha ji, > > > > I would like to submit with all humility that maybe Kulbir is > > suggesting this for the benefit of the people who are in my > position > > i.e. interested in learning the subject and are currently muddling > > through it. > > > > Insofar as the wishes/advices of Late Pt Rup Chand ji are concerned > as > > to the purposes to which this text should be used for, I am sure > > everyone will agree with you that we should not only abide by the > > letter but also the spirit of his writings. > > > > I am sure you are aware of the chinese saying " Give a man a fish he > > will eat for a day, Teach a man to fish he will eat for life " . It is > > in the spirit of this saying, that I had initially floated an idea > of > > analysing any tewa for the purposes of the education of those > willing > > to learn the subject. But if my memory serves me right, I was told > > about the hazards of self-medication.I let that piece of nonsense > pass > > simply because I am not here to get into confr ontations,arguements. > I > > am here to acquire knowledge. Therefore for the benfit of people > like > > me I will once again request you to consider Kulbir's suggestion in > > the light of the submission I am making today. > > > > If however you feel this is not the right approach to be adopted, > > valued suggestions from learned members like you shall help > neophytes > > like me take the correct path and further our learning process. > > > > I hope that in addition to helping those who come to you for > > resolution of their problems, you and other learned members of the > > group will also try to share some of your knowledge with people like > > me. > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > Rakesh Sahgal > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > Shri Kulbir Singh Jee, and other respected gurjan, > > > > > > Analyse horoscopes? for what ? If you want to analyse horoscopes > to > > > predict future events then it will amount to ' band mutthi ke raz > > > kholana jo prakrit ke khilaf hoga.' I think the best place to do > > such > > > analysis would be traditional astrology groups. > > > > > > There is only ONE objective of the Lal Kitab mentioned in two > forms > > > in the opening paragraph of the book. and I quote from the book > > 1952 > > > ed. > > > > > > ( 1 ). " kismat ke maidan mein, agar kahin paani ki naali peechhe > > se > > > bhari arahi ho,aur uske raste mein koi eent patthar gir kar uski > > > rawangi ko rok raha ho to majmoon ki madad se us kankar patthar > ko > > > door kar ke paani ki chal ko durust karne ki bamouka koshish ki > ja > > > sakti hai magar pani ki miqdar ya kismat ke maidan mein koi kami- > > > beshi nahi ki ja sakti " > > > > > > ( 2 ) " han itna zaroor hai ki yeh mazmoon baaz auqat apni barkat > se > > > kisi prani par hamla karne wale zalim sher ke samne aisi gaibi > > deewar > > > khari kar dega jis se woh sher uska kuchh bigar na sake..... " > > > > > > Now, where do you find a place for any horoscope analysis here? > The > > > objective of the book has been clearly laid down. It is to > suggest > > > Upaya for those in trouble. > > > > > > Any way, I am still a student of Lal Kitab, and i am not authorise > > to > > > suggest upaya even. I am learning with my guru aadarneeya Pt. Net > > Ram > > > jee, and also learn from respected Upadhyay jee and Lal Kitabee > jee. > > > > > > Therefore, I am against any future prediction based on Lal Kitab. > > > Yes , if you have to analyse for future prediction then Vedic > > > astrology will be right choice. > > > > > > with respect to all the gurujan > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains " > > > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > bhuwan ji, > > > > i fully agree with, it would be really good for this group if we > > > > concentrate on analysing horoscopes as per a lakitab. however i > > > would > > > > like to make a suggetsion. > > > > let's take one horoscope at a time and discuss it fully applying > > all > > > > the applicable principles of lalkitab. in fact let's discuss the > > > > horoscopes of all the 316 members one by one. > > > > let's do one case study in detail, it will set the guidelines > for > > > > further analysis and we can then proceed to the next one. > > > > let's discuss one male horoscope and one female horoscope in the > > > > beggining. > > > > it will only be possible if all the learned members partcipate. > > > > if you have any other path in your mind let's go by it. > > > > regards > > > > kulbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Bhuwan Ji, Isn't it distance learning that you log on to this group every day so you can read Upadhyay Ji's and lalkitabee ji's Upays and learn from them. If asked Upadhyay ji always explains the logic for the upayas that he prescribes. He will be back in the first week of july. Regards Gullu lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Respected sahgal jee, and other respected gurujan, > > I donot know what to suggest you. I can tell you how i learn Lal > Kitab. First thing is to find a guru who is willing to give some time > and then like a shishya , poori vinamrata ke sath seekhana hota > hai.kabhi kabhi bete ki tarah guru jee ke ghar ke kaam bhi karne hote > hain. kyon ki Astrology aisi vidya hai jo ' distance learning ' se > nahi seekhi ja sakti. Astrology to kitab parhne se bhi nahi seekhi ja > sakati. And you are trying to learn astrology through a group, > which is not possible.No body will teach you here. Why should any > body devote time to teach. what you do for them. mujhe yeh ahsas > bahut pahale ho gaya tha ki mein koi kisi ko nahi > sikhata. I have found a respected guru who explans the basics , the > rest I have to do myself. > > Mein is group mein kewal is liye aata hun ki aadarniya Upadhyay jee > and Lal Kiatbee ji ke bataye upayon ka adhyayan kar sakoon. Eklavya > ki tarah. I have never written or spoken to these gurus . I analyse > every single upaya suggested by these learned gurus. I have never > asked them to explain the logic. I have to find the logic on my own. > And after a year now I find the logic for every upaya by them. > > this is how I am learning Lal Kitab. You make your choice. > > with respect to all the gurujan, > > bhuwan > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Vashishtha ji, > > > > I would like to submit with all humility that maybe Kulbir is > > suggesting this for the benefit of the people who are in my > position > > i.e. interested in learning the subject and are currently muddling > > through it. > > > > Insofar as the wishes/advices of Late Pt Rup Chand ji are concerned > as > > to the purposes to which this text should be used for, I am sure > > everyone will agree with you that we should not only abide by the > > letter but also the spirit of his writings. > > > > I am sure you are aware of the chinese saying " Give a man a fish he > > will eat for a day, Teach a man to fish he will eat for life " . It is > > in the spirit of this saying, that I had initially floated an idea > of > > analysing any tewa for the purposes of the education of those > willing > > to learn the subject. But if my memory serves me right, I was told > > about the hazards of self-medication.I let that piece of nonsense > pass > > simply because I am not here to get into confrontations,arguements. > I > > am here to acquire knowledge. Therefore for the benfit of people > like > > me I will once again request you to consider Kulbir's suggestion in > > the light of the submission I am making today. > > > > If however you feel this is not the right approach to be adopted, > > valued suggestions from learned members like you shall help > neophytes > > like me take the correct path and further our learning process. > > > > I hope that in addition to helping those who come to you for > > resolution of their problems, you and other learned members of the > > group will also try to share some of your knowledge with people like > > me. > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > Rakesh Sahgal > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > Shri Kulbir Singh Jee, and other respected gurjan, > > > > > > Analyse horoscopes? for what ? If you want to analyse horoscopes > to > > > predict future events then it will amount to ' band mutthi ke raz > > > kholana jo prakrit ke khilaf hoga.' I think the best place to do > > such > > > analysis would be traditional astrology groups. > > > > > > There is only ONE objective of the Lal Kitab mentioned in two > forms > > > in the opening paragraph of the book. and I quote from the book > > 1952 > > > ed. > > > > > > ( 1 ). " kismat ke maidan mein, agar kahin paani ki naali peechhe > > se > > > bhari arahi ho,aur uske raste mein koi eent patthar gir kar uski > > > rawangi ko rok raha ho to majmoon ki madad se us kankar patthar > ko > > > door kar ke paani ki chal ko durust karne ki bamouka koshish ki > ja > > > sakti hai magar pani ki miqdar ya kismat ke maidan mein koi kami- > > > beshi nahi ki ja sakti " > > > > > > ( 2 ) " han itna zaroor hai ki yeh mazmoon baaz auqat apni barkat > se > > > kisi prani par hamla karne wale zalim sher ke samne aisi gaibi > > deewar > > > khari kar dega jis se woh sher uska kuchh bigar na sake..... " > > > > > > Now, where do you find a place for any horoscope analysis here? > The > > > objective of the book has been clearly laid down. It is to > suggest > > > Upaya for those in trouble. > > > > > > Any way, I am still a student of Lal Kitab, and i am not authorise > > to > > > suggest upaya even. I am learning with my guru aadarneeya Pt. Net > > Ram > > > jee, and also learn from respected Upadhyay jee and Lal Kitabee > jee. > > > > > > Therefore, I am against any future prediction based on Lal Kitab. > > > Yes , if you have to analyse for future prediction then Vedic > > > astrology will be right choice. > > > > > > with respect to all the gurujan > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains " > > > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > bhuwan ji, > > > > i fully agree with, it would be really good for this group if we > > > > concentrate on analysing horoscopes as per a lakitab. however i > > > would > > > > like to make a suggetsion. > > > > let's take one horoscope at a time and discuss it fully applying > > all > > > > the applicable principles of lalkitab. in fact let's discuss the > > > > horoscopes of all the 316 members one by one. > > > > let's do one case study in detail, it will set the guidelines > for > > > > further analysis and we can then proceed to the next one. > > > > let's discuss one male horoscope and one female horoscope in the > > > > beggining. > > > > it will only be possible if all the learned members partcipate. > > > > if you have any other path in your mind let's go by it. > > > > regards > > > > kulbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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