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Respected sahgal jee, and other respected gurujan,

 

I donot know what to suggest you. I can tell you how i learn Lal

Kitab. First thing is to find a guru who is willing to give some time

and then like a shishya , poori vinamrata ke sath seekhana hota

hai.kabhi kabhi bete ki tarah guru jee ke ghar ke kaam bhi karne hote

hain. kyon ki Astrology aisi vidya hai jo ' distance learning ' se

nahi seekhi ja sakti. Astrology to kitab parhne se bhi nahi seekhi ja

sakati. And you are trying to learn astrology through a ,

which is not possible.No body will teach you here. Why should any

body devote time to teach. what you do for them. mujhe yeh ahsas

bahut pahale ho gaya tha ki mein koi kisi ko nahi

sikhata. I have found a respected guru who explans the basics , the

rest I have to do myself.

 

Mein is group mein kewal is liye aata hun ki aadarniya Upadhyay jee

and Lal Kiatbee ji ke bataye upayon ka adhyayan kar sakoon. Eklavya

ki tarah. I have never written or spoken to these gurus . I analyse

every single upaya suggested by these learned gurus. I have never

asked them to explain the logic. I have to find the logic on my own.

And after a year now I find the logic for every upaya by them.

 

this is how I am learning Lal Kitab. You make your choice.

 

with respect to all the gurujan,

 

bhuwan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal>

wrote:

> Vashishtha ji,

>

> I would like to submit with all humility that maybe Kulbir is

> suggesting this for the benefit of the people who are in my

position

> i.e. interested in learning the subject and are currently muddling

> through it.

>

> Insofar as the wishes/advices of Late Pt Rup Chand ji are concerned

as

> to the purposes to which this text should be used for, I am sure

> everyone will agree with you that we should not only abide by the

> letter but also the spirit of his writings.

>

> I am sure you are aware of the chinese saying " Give a man a fish he

> will eat for a day, Teach a man to fish he will eat for life " . It is

> in the spirit of this saying, that I had initially floated an idea

of

> analysing any tewa for the purposes of the education of those

willing

> to learn the subject. But if my memory serves me right, I was told

> about the hazards of self-medication.I let that piece of nonsense

pass

> simply because I am not here to get into confrontations,arguements.

I

> am here to acquire knowledge. Therefore for the benfit of people

like

> me I will once again request you to consider Kulbir's suggestion in

> the light of the submission I am making today.

>

> If however you feel this is not the right approach to be adopted,

> valued suggestions from learned members like you shall help

neophytes

> like me take the correct path and further our learning process.

>

> I hope that in addition to helping those who come to you for

> resolution of their problems, you and other learned members of the

> group will also try to share some of your knowledge with people like

> me.

>

> Warm Regards

>

>

>

> Rakesh Sahgal

>

>

>

> lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha "

> <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:

> > Shri Kulbir Singh Jee, and other respected gurjan,

> >

> > Analyse horoscopes? for what ? If you want to analyse horoscopes

to

> > predict future events then it will amount to ' band mutthi ke raz

> > kholana jo prakrit ke khilaf hoga.' I think the best place to do

> such

> > analysis would be traditional astrology groups.

> >

> > There is only ONE objective of the Lal Kitab mentioned in two

forms

> > in the opening paragraph of the book. and I quote from the book

> 1952

> > ed.

> >

> > ( 1 ). " kismat ke maidan mein, agar kahin paani ki naali peechhe

> se

> > bhari arahi ho,aur uske raste mein koi eent patthar gir kar uski

> > rawangi ko rok raha ho to majmoon ki madad se us kankar patthar

ko

> > door kar ke paani ki chal ko durust karne ki bamouka koshish ki

ja

> > sakti hai magar pani ki miqdar ya kismat ke maidan mein koi kami-

> > beshi nahi ki ja sakti "

> >

> > ( 2 ) " han itna zaroor hai ki yeh mazmoon baaz auqat apni barkat

se

> > kisi prani par hamla karne wale zalim sher ke samne aisi gaibi

> deewar

> > khari kar dega jis se woh sher uska kuchh bigar na sake..... "

> >

> > Now, where do you find a place for any horoscope analysis here?

The

> > objective of the book has been clearly laid down. It is to

suggest

> > Upaya for those in trouble.

> >

> > Any way, I am still a student of Lal Kitab, and i am not authorise

> to

> > suggest upaya even. I am learning with my guru aadarneeya Pt. Net

> Ram

> > jee, and also learn from respected Upadhyay jee and Lal Kitabee

jee.

> >

> > Therefore, I am against any future prediction based on Lal Kitab.

> > Yes , if you have to analyse for future prediction then Vedic

> > astrology will be right choice.

> >

> > with respect to all the gurujan

> >

> > bhuwan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains "

> > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > bhuwan ji,

> > > i fully agree with, it would be really good for this group if we

> > > concentrate on analysing horoscopes as per a lakitab. however i

> > would

> > > like to make a suggetsion.

> > > let's take one horoscope at a time and discuss it fully applying

> all

> > > the applicable principles of lalkitab. in fact let's discuss the

> > > horoscopes of all the 316 members one by one.

> > > let's do one case study in detail, it will set the guidelines

for

> > > further analysis and we can then proceed to the next one.

> > > let's discuss one male horoscope and one female horoscope in the

> > > beggining.

> > > it will only be possible if all the learned members partcipate.

> > > if you have any other path in your mind let's go by it.

> > > regards

> > > kulbir

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Vashishtha jee,

 

Atleast I know where you stand.

 

You are apparently not aware how this community of people i.e. "

groups " sharing common interests are furthering the horizons of their

knowledge sitting in distant locations across the globe in disparate

fields of endeavour.

 

Insofar as why anyone does anything for anybody , very debatable so we

shall let it pass too. Too much bandwidth will be wasted on a

pointless arguement .

 

I will submit that the process of learning need not be constrained by

the lack of physical contact. You think otherwise, so be it.

 

 

Warm Regards

 

 

R S

 

 

lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha "

<bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:

> Respected sahgal jee, and other respected gurujan,

>

> I donot know what to suggest you. I can tell you how i learn Lal

> Kitab. First thing is to find a guru who is willing to give some

time

> and then like a shishya , poori vinamrata ke sath seekhana hota

> hai.kabhi kabhi bete ki tarah guru jee ke ghar ke kaam bhi karne

hote

> hain. kyon ki Astrology aisi vidya hai jo ' distance learning ' se

> nahi seekhi ja sakti. Astrology to kitab parhne se bhi nahi seekhi

ja

> sakati. And you are trying to learn astrology through a

group,

> which is not possible.No body will teach you here. Why should any

> body devote time to teach. what you do for them. mujhe yeh ahsas

> bahut pahale ho gaya tha ki mein koi kisi ko nahi

> sikhata. I have found a respected guru who explans the basics , the

> rest I have to do myself.

>

> Mein is group mein kewal is liye aata hun ki aadarniya Upadhyay jee

> and Lal Kiatbee ji ke bataye upayon ka adhyayan kar sakoon. Eklavya

> ki tarah. I have never written or spoken to these gurus . I analyse

> every single upaya suggested by these learned gurus. I have never

> asked them to explain the logic. I have to find the logic on my

own.

> And after a year now I find the logic for every upaya by them.

>

> this is how I am learning Lal Kitab. You make your choice.

>

> with respect to all the gurujan,

>

> bhuwan

>

>

>

lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal>

> wrote:

> > Vashishtha ji,

> >

> > I would like to submit with all humility that maybe Kulbir is

> > suggesting this for the benefit of the people who are in my

> position

> > i.e. interested in learning the subject and are currently muddling

> > through it.

> >

> > Insofar as the wishes/advices of Late Pt Rup Chand ji are

concerned

> as

> > to the purposes to which this text should be used for, I am sure

> > everyone will agree with you that we should not only abide by the

> > letter but also the spirit of his writings.

> >

> > I am sure you are aware of the chinese saying " Give a man a fish

he

> > will eat for a day, Teach a man to fish he will eat for life " . It

is

> > in the spirit of this saying, that I had initially floated an

idea

> of

> > analysing any tewa for the purposes of the education of those

> willing

> > to learn the subject. But if my memory serves me right, I was told

> > about the hazards of self-medication.I let that piece of nonsense

> pass

> > simply because I am not here to get into confr

ontations,arguements.

> I

> > am here to acquire knowledge. Therefore for the benfit of people

> like

> > me I will once again request you to consider Kulbir's suggestion

in

> > the light of the submission I am making today.

> >

> > If however you feel this is not the right approach to be adopted,

> > valued suggestions from learned members like you shall help

> neophytes

> > like me take the correct path and further our learning process.

> >

> > I hope that in addition to helping those who come to you for

> > resolution of their problems, you and other learned members of the

> > group will also try to share some of your knowledge with people

like

> > me.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> >

> >

> >

> > Rakesh Sahgal

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha "

> > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:

> > > Shri Kulbir Singh Jee, and other respected gurjan,

> > >

> > > Analyse horoscopes? for what ? If you want to analyse

horoscopes

> to

> > > predict future events then it will amount to ' band mutthi ke

raz

> > > kholana jo prakrit ke khilaf hoga.' I think the best place to do

> > such

> > > analysis would be traditional astrology groups.

> > >

> > > There is only ONE objective of the Lal Kitab mentioned in two

> forms

> > > in the opening paragraph of the book. and I quote from the book

> > 1952

> > > ed.

> > >

> > > ( 1 ). " kismat ke maidan mein, agar kahin paani ki naali

peechhe

> > se

> > > bhari arahi ho,aur uske raste mein koi eent patthar gir kar

uski

> > > rawangi ko rok raha ho to majmoon ki madad se us kankar patthar

> ko

> > > door kar ke paani ki chal ko durust karne ki bamouka koshish ki

> ja

> > > sakti hai magar pani ki miqdar ya kismat ke maidan mein koi

kami-

> > > beshi nahi ki ja sakti "

> > >

> > > ( 2 ) " han itna zaroor hai ki yeh mazmoon baaz auqat apni

barkat

> se

> > > kisi prani par hamla karne wale zalim sher ke samne aisi gaibi

> > deewar

> > > khari kar dega jis se woh sher uska kuchh bigar na sake..... "

> > >

> > > Now, where do you find a place for any horoscope analysis here?

> The

> > > objective of the book has been clearly laid down. It is to

> suggest

> > > Upaya for those in trouble.

> > >

> > > Any way, I am still a student of Lal Kitab, and i am not

authorise

> > to

> > > suggest upaya even. I am learning with my guru aadarneeya Pt.

Net

> > Ram

> > > jee, and also learn from respected Upadhyay jee and Lal Kitabee

> jee.

> > >

> > > Therefore, I am against any future prediction based on Lal

Kitab.

> > > Yes , if you have to analyse for future prediction then Vedic

> > > astrology will be right choice.

> > >

> > > with respect to all the gurujan

> > >

> > > bhuwan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains "

> > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > > bhuwan ji,

> > > > i fully agree with, it would be really good for this group if

we

> > > > concentrate on analysing horoscopes as per a lakitab. however

i

> > > would

> > > > like to make a suggetsion.

> > > > let's take one horoscope at a time and discuss it fully

applying

> > all

> > > > the applicable principles of lalkitab. in fact let's discuss

the

> > > > horoscopes of all the 316 members one by one.

> > > > let's do one case study in detail, it will set the guidelines

> for

> > > > further analysis and we can then proceed to the next one.

> > > > let's discuss one male horoscope and one female horoscope in

the

> > > > beggining.

> > > > it will only be possible if all the learned members

partcipate.

> > > > if you have any other path in your mind let's go by it.

> > > > regards

> > > > kulbir

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Bhuwan Ji,

Isn't it distance learning that you log on to this

group every day so you can read Upadhyay Ji's and lalkitabee ji's

Upays and learn from them.

If asked Upadhyay ji always explains the logic for the upayas that

he prescribes. He will be back in the first week of july.

 

Regards

Gullu

 

lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha "

<bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:

> Respected sahgal jee, and other respected gurujan,

>

> I donot know what to suggest you. I can tell you how i learn Lal

> Kitab. First thing is to find a guru who is willing to give some

time

> and then like a shishya , poori vinamrata ke sath seekhana hota

> hai.kabhi kabhi bete ki tarah guru jee ke ghar ke kaam bhi karne

hote

> hain. kyon ki Astrology aisi vidya hai jo ' distance learning ' se

> nahi seekhi ja sakti. Astrology to kitab parhne se bhi nahi seekhi

ja

> sakati. And you are trying to learn astrology through a

group,

> which is not possible.No body will teach you here. Why should any

> body devote time to teach. what you do for them. mujhe yeh ahsas

> bahut pahale ho gaya tha ki mein koi kisi ko nahi

> sikhata. I have found a respected guru who explans the basics , the

> rest I have to do myself.

>

> Mein is group mein kewal is liye aata hun ki aadarniya Upadhyay jee

> and Lal Kiatbee ji ke bataye upayon ka adhyayan kar sakoon. Eklavya

> ki tarah. I have never written or spoken to these gurus . I analyse

> every single upaya suggested by these learned gurus. I have never

> asked them to explain the logic. I have to find the logic on my

own.

> And after a year now I find the logic for every upaya by them.

>

> this is how I am learning Lal Kitab. You make your choice.

>

> with respect to all the gurujan,

>

> bhuwan

>

>

>

lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal>

> wrote:

> > Vashishtha ji,

> >

> > I would like to submit with all humility that maybe Kulbir is

> > suggesting this for the benefit of the people who are in my

> position

> > i.e. interested in learning the subject and are currently muddling

> > through it.

> >

> > Insofar as the wishes/advices of Late Pt Rup Chand ji are

concerned

> as

> > to the purposes to which this text should be used for, I am sure

> > everyone will agree with you that we should not only abide by the

> > letter but also the spirit of his writings.

> >

> > I am sure you are aware of the chinese saying " Give a man a fish

he

> > will eat for a day, Teach a man to fish he will eat for life " . It

is

> > in the spirit of this saying, that I had initially floated an

idea

> of

> > analysing any tewa for the purposes of the education of those

> willing

> > to learn the subject. But if my memory serves me right, I was told

> > about the hazards of self-medication.I let that piece of nonsense

> pass

> > simply because I am not here to get into

confrontations,arguements.

> I

> > am here to acquire knowledge. Therefore for the benfit of people

> like

> > me I will once again request you to consider Kulbir's suggestion

in

> > the light of the submission I am making today.

> >

> > If however you feel this is not the right approach to be adopted,

> > valued suggestions from learned members like you shall help

> neophytes

> > like me take the correct path and further our learning process.

> >

> > I hope that in addition to helping those who come to you for

> > resolution of their problems, you and other learned members of the

> > group will also try to share some of your knowledge with people

like

> > me.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> >

> >

> >

> > Rakesh Sahgal

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha "

> > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:

> > > Shri Kulbir Singh Jee, and other respected gurjan,

> > >

> > > Analyse horoscopes? for what ? If you want to analyse

horoscopes

> to

> > > predict future events then it will amount to ' band mutthi ke

raz

> > > kholana jo prakrit ke khilaf hoga.' I think the best place to do

> > such

> > > analysis would be traditional astrology groups.

> > >

> > > There is only ONE objective of the Lal Kitab mentioned in two

> forms

> > > in the opening paragraph of the book. and I quote from the book

> > 1952

> > > ed.

> > >

> > > ( 1 ). " kismat ke maidan mein, agar kahin paani ki naali

peechhe

> > se

> > > bhari arahi ho,aur uske raste mein koi eent patthar gir kar

uski

> > > rawangi ko rok raha ho to majmoon ki madad se us kankar patthar

> ko

> > > door kar ke paani ki chal ko durust karne ki bamouka koshish ki

> ja

> > > sakti hai magar pani ki miqdar ya kismat ke maidan mein koi

kami-

> > > beshi nahi ki ja sakti "

> > >

> > > ( 2 ) " han itna zaroor hai ki yeh mazmoon baaz auqat apni

barkat

> se

> > > kisi prani par hamla karne wale zalim sher ke samne aisi gaibi

> > deewar

> > > khari kar dega jis se woh sher uska kuchh bigar na sake..... "

> > >

> > > Now, where do you find a place for any horoscope analysis here?

> The

> > > objective of the book has been clearly laid down. It is to

> suggest

> > > Upaya for those in trouble.

> > >

> > > Any way, I am still a student of Lal Kitab, and i am not

authorise

> > to

> > > suggest upaya even. I am learning with my guru aadarneeya Pt.

Net

> > Ram

> > > jee, and also learn from respected Upadhyay jee and Lal Kitabee

> jee.

> > >

> > > Therefore, I am against any future prediction based on Lal

Kitab.

> > > Yes , if you have to analyse for future prediction then Vedic

> > > astrology will be right choice.

> > >

> > > with respect to all the gurujan

> > >

> > > bhuwan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " Kulbir Singh Bains "

> > > <ceetabains> wrote:

> > > > bhuwan ji,

> > > > i fully agree with, it would be really good for this group if

we

> > > > concentrate on analysing horoscopes as per a lakitab. however

i

> > > would

> > > > like to make a suggetsion.

> > > > let's take one horoscope at a time and discuss it fully

applying

> > all

> > > > the applicable principles of lalkitab. in fact let's discuss

the

> > > > horoscopes of all the 316 members one by one.

> > > > let's do one case study in detail, it will set the guidelines

> for

> > > > further analysis and we can then proceed to the next one.

> > > > let's discuss one male horoscope and one female horoscope in

the

> > > > beggining.

> > > > it will only be possible if all the learned members

partcipate.

> > > > if you have any other path in your mind let's go by it.

> > > > regards

> > > > kulbir

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