black and white dog - black and white bird?

May 30, 2004

Sunday Afternoon and I hear bird noise outside the window, I see a Magpie (black and white bird) being attacked by 2 black crows - I have rescued the bird from the crows. I was told by Pandit Ji not to keep a black and white dog - what to do? The bird (a baby) is now recovering in a box in my kitchen. I understand that Crows represent Shani - should I have rescued the bird. Is it wise to keep the bird in my kitchen while it recovers or should I have watched nature unfold and the Crows kill the black and white bird. Actually common sense says I should rescue the bird and care for it until it recovers, but I am worried about Astrological effects of this action. Can someone help please?

details if needed are

Shani 2.34.11and Moon 11.13.59 in 11th house

Ketu is 20.27.13 in 10th house

Venus 13.42.29 9th house

Mercury15.06.50 Mars 23.02.30 Sun28.47.32 7th house

Jupiter 16.59.49 5th house

Rahu 20.27.13 4th house

Ascendant 17.19.41 Scorpio

Thank you

Su

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May 31, 2004

Ms Rana,

With no birth date given, I am limited in saying anything with any confidence. But a

black and white ("bicolor") dog is represented by Ketu but I wouldn't know which planet would represent a black and white bird (though birds are generally represented by Mercury.) Mercury in the seventh is okay (I can tell - sprituality, interest in astrology etc. confirm this) so in my opinion ( educated guess, actually) you have done the right thing by rescuing the bird. When it is ready to fend for itself, you may release it. Your Saturn, in principle, is capable of giving good results. Only Mars in twelfth (with Saturn in 11th, Ketu in the 10th) may act as a melefic. Offering water (with a touch of sugar in it) to Sun will be helpful. You are advised to keep a dog after the age of 48, I am quite sure about it. I don't know why you were advised against keeping a dog. (Fellow LalKitabists, please see Ketu in the 10 and please comment on this.)

Respectfully,

Rajinder BhatiaSUSAN RANA <susan.tyson wrote:

Sunday Afternoon and I hear bird noise outside the window, I see a Magpie (black and white bird) being attacked by 2 black crows - I have rescued the bird from the crows. I was told by Pandit Ji not to keep a black and white dog - what to do? The bird (a baby) is now recovering in a box in my kitchen. I understand that Crows represent Shani - should I have rescued the bird. Is it wise to keep the bird in my kitchen while it recovers or should I have watched nature unfold and the Crows kill the black and white bird. Actually common sense says I should rescue the bird and care for it until it recovers, but I am worried about Astrological effects of this action. Can someone help please?

details if needed are

Shani 2.34.11and Moon 11.13.59 in 11th house

Ketu is 20.27.13 in 10th house

Venus 13.42.29 9th house

Mercury15.06.50 Mars 23.02.30 Sun28.47.32 7th house

Jupiter 16.59.49 5th house

Rahu 20.27.13 4th house

Ascendant 17.19.41 Scorpio

Thank you

Su

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May 31, 2004

I re read what Pandit Ji had told me and he said no black and white animal.

Yes I will let the bird free if it is strong today

but mind went confused -I felt like I had taken food away from Shani

represented by Black Crows

birth details are

female

dob 13 06 1951

Manchester - England

Longitude 02W15'00 Latitude 53N30'00

time 20.32.00

Timezone00.00.00

Daylight saving 01.00.00

thank you for your time

with regards

su Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

Ms Rana,

With no birth date given, I am limited in saying anything with any confidence. But a

black and white ("bicolor") dog is represented by Ketu but I wouldn't know which planet would represent a black and white bird (though birds are generally represented by Mercury.) Mercury in the seventh is okay (I can tell - sprituality, interest in astrology etc. confirm this) so in my opinion ( educated guess, actually) you have done the right thing by rescuing the bird. When it is ready to fend for itself, you may release it. Your Saturn, in principle, is capable of giving good results. Only Mars in twelfth (with Saturn in 11th, Ketu in the 10th) may act as a melefic. Offering water (with a touch of sugar in it) to Sun will be helpful. You are advised to keep a dog after the age of 48, I am quite sure about it. I don't know why you were advised against keeping a dog. (Fellow LalKitabists, please see Ketu in the 10 and please comment on this.)

Respectfully,

Rajinder BhatiaSUSAN RANA <susan.tyson wrote:

Sunday Afternoon and I hear bird noise outside the window, I see a Magpie (black and white bird) being attacked by 2 black crows - I have rescued the bird from the crows. I was told by Pandit Ji not to keep a black and white dog - what to do? The bird (a baby) is now recovering in a box in my kitchen. I understand that Crows represent Shani - should I have rescued the bird. Is it wise to keep the bird in my kitchen while it recovers or should I have watched nature unfold and the Crows kill the black and white bird. Actually common sense says I should rescue the bird and care for it until it recovers, but I am worried about Astrological effects of this action. Can someone help please?

details if needed are

Shani 2.34.11and Moon 11.13.59 in 11th house

Ketu is 20.27.13 in 10th house

Venus 13.42.29 9th house

Mercury15.06.50 Mars 23.02.30 Sun28.47.32 7th house

Jupiter 16.59.49 5th house

Rahu 20.27.13 4th house

Ascendant 17.19.41 Scorpio

Thank you

Su

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May 31, 2004

Respected Bhatia ji,

It is wrong to say, " I don't know why you were advised against

keeping a dog " She was never advised against keeping a dog .this is

misquoting. Even Ms Susan in her letter says, " I was told by Pandit

ji not to keep a black and white dog " She was advised against keeping

a two colour - black and white - animal as a pet. This is what

respected Upadhyay jee advised in message no. 1607

-----

[ 3 ] Never keep any pet animal which is of both black and white

colour . All black or all white pet animal will be alright.

------

As I have said before that I learn lal Kitab by analising every upaya

given by respected Upadhyay jee and understand the logic, I can

explane the logic of this upaya. This upaya is because of Moon and

Saturn yoga. In the Lal Kitab [ urdu ed 1952 page 839-40 ] it says,

" jaan shani jo cheez dorangi, hamle aulad pe karti ho "

' two colour animal will be not good for sons and daughters { aulad}

similar result in Arun publication page 295 and Sagar publication

page 689

is liye kutta palne ki manahi nahi hai , koi bhi doranga janwar palne

ki manahi hai. Now why this advise not to have black and white

animal. because black and white = saturn and moon = ketu neech. Now

ketu neech will effect the aulad. By keeping a two coloured[ black

and white] animal neech ketu qayam ho jayega.and this will harm.

yes , the footnotes in lal kitab for ketu in 10 advises to keep a dog

as a pet after the age of 48 years. She can always keep one colour

dog , if two colour, then any colour like golden brown and white {

jup + moon }will be ok..but not black and white.

Here also the Ketu upaya will be modified because of saturn and moon

yoga like in a previus example where the Mars upaya of keeping ivory

has to be modified because of rahu in the third house. why should we

give importance to sat+moon over ketu , because about ketu in 10 Lal

Kitab says " shaqqi ketu darbar shani ke , jaan ketu khud manda ho " ,

that is why.

I hope this explanes your objections.

now coming to the black and white bird.

She has not kept it as a pet, therefore no harm. it was an act of

mercy therefore good.

but keeping this bird in the north - east part of the house would be

alright , any where else it might be harmful. Why ? because a black

and white bird means saturn+moon+mercury and this yoga is bad in

other places except in the 4th house { read Lal Kitab urdu ed page

931}

with respect for all the gurus,

bhuwan

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> Ms Rana,

> With no birth date given, I am limited in saying anything with any

confidence. But a

> black and white ( " bicolor " ) dog is represented by Ketu but I

wouldn't know which planet would represent a black and white bird

(though birds are generally represented by Mercury.) Mercury in the

seventh is okay (I can tell - sprituality, interest in astrology etc.

confirm this) so in my opinion ( educated guess, actually) you have

done the right thing by rescuing the bird. When it is ready to fend

for itself, you may release it. Your Saturn, in principle, is capable

of giving good results. Only Mars in twelfth (with Saturn in 11th,

Ketu in the 10th) may act as a melefic. Offering water (with a touch

of sugar in it) to Sun will be helpful. You are advised to keep a

dog after the age of 48, I am quite sure about it. I don't know why

you were advised against keeping a dog. (Fellow LalKitabists, please

see Ketu in the 10 and please comment on this.)

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> SUSAN RANA <susan.tyson@b...> wrote:

> Sunday Afternoon and I hear bird noise outside the window, I see a

Magpie (black and white bird) being attacked by 2 black crows - I

have rescued the bird from the crows. I was told by Pandit Ji not to

keep a black and white dog - what to do? The bird (a baby) is now

recovering in a box in my kitchen. I understand that Crows represent

Shani - should I have rescued the bird. Is it wise to keep the bird

in my kitchen while it recovers or should I have watched nature

unfold and the Crows kill the black and white bird. Actually common

sense says I should rescue the bird and care for it until it

recovers, but I am worried about Astrological effects of this

action. Can someone help please?

> details if needed are

> Shani 2.34.11and Moon 11.13.59 in 11th house

> Ketu is 20.27.13 in 10th house

> Venus 13.42.29 9th house

> Mercury15.06.50 Mars 23.02.30 Sun28.47.32 7th house

> Jupiter 16.59.49 5th house

> Rahu 20.27.13 4th house

> Ascendant 17.19.41 Scorpio

> Thank you

> Su

>

> Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger

>

May 31, 2004

Thank you for you detailed reply, when I read through Pandit Ji's reply to me some months previously I realised no black and white animal - again the subtle mind had tricked me into thinking black and white dog - because a dog is the only pet I could conceive myself keeping! But the black and white bird caused me some disturbance because it was black and white!

I moved the bird to an outbuilding - unfortunately it did not survive! But I wish to thank all that helped me for their input - I can remember some time ago Pandit Ji giving someone a remedy and then they brought lemons into the house - Pandit Ji was disturbed by this - when he had told the person otherwise, I felt I had done something incorrect by bringing the bird into my house, Your responses have been fast and helpful, you explanations as the why's have been valuable, thank you I am learning.

with kind regards

subhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote:

Respected Bhatia ji,It is wrong to say, " I don't know why you were advised against keeping a dog" She was never advised against keeping a dog .this is misquoting. Even Ms Susan in her letter says, " I was told by Pandit ji not to keep a black and white dog" She was advised against keeping a two colour - black and white - animal as a pet. This is what respected Upadhyay jee advised in message no. 1607-----[ 3 ] Never keep any pet animal which is of both black and whitecolour . All black or all white pet animal will be alright.------As I have said before that I learn lal Kitab by analising every upaya given by respected Upadhyay jee and understand the logic, I can explane the logic of this upaya. This upaya is because of Moon and Saturn yoga. In the Lal Kitab [ urdu ed 1952 page 839-40 ] it

says," jaan shani jo cheez dorangi, hamle aulad pe karti ho "' two colour animal will be not good for sons and daughters { aulad}similar result in Arun publication page 295 and Sagar publication page 689is liye kutta palne ki manahi nahi hai , koi bhi doranga janwar palne ki manahi hai. Now why this advise not to have black and white animal. because black and white = saturn and moon = ketu neech. Now ketu neech will effect the aulad. By keeping a two coloured[ black and white] animal neech ketu qayam ho jayega.and this will harm.yes , the footnotes in lal kitab for ketu in 10 advises to keep a dog as a pet after the age of 48 years. She can always keep one colour dog , if two colour, then any colour like golden brown and white { jup + moon }will be ok..but not black and white.Here also the Ketu upaya will be modified because of saturn and moon yoga like in a previus example where the Mars upaya of

keeping ivory has to be modified because of rahu in the third house. why should we give importance to sat+moon over ketu , because about ketu in 10 Lal Kitab says " shaqqi ketu darbar shani ke , jaan ketu khud manda ho", that is why.I hope this explanes your objections.now coming to the black and white bird.She has not kept it as a pet, therefore no harm. it was an act of mercy therefore good.but keeping this bird in the north - east part of the house would be alright , any where else it might be harmful. Why ? because a black and white bird means saturn+moon+mercury and this yoga is bad in other places except in the 4th house { read Lal Kitab urdu ed page 931}with respect for all the gurus,bhuwanlalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Ms Rana, > With no birth date given, I am

limited in saying anything with any confidence. But a> black and white ("bicolor") dog is represented by Ketu but I wouldn't know which planet would represent a black and white bird (though birds are generally represented by Mercury.) Mercury in the seventh is okay (I can tell - sprituality, interest in astrology etc. confirm this) so in my opinion ( educated guess, actually) you have done the right thing by rescuing the bird. When it is ready to fend for itself, you may release it. Your Saturn, in principle, is capable of giving good results. Only Mars in twelfth (with Saturn in 11th, Ketu in the 10th) may act as a melefic. Offering water (with a touch of sugar in it) to Sun will be helpful. You are advised to keep a dog after the age of 48, I am quite sure about it. I don't know why you were advised against keeping a dog. (Fellow LalKitabists, please see Ketu in the 10 and please comment on

this.)> Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > SUSAN RANA <susan.tyson@b...> wrote:> Sunday Afternoon and I hear bird noise outside the window, I see a Magpie (black and white bird) being attacked by 2 black crows - I have rescued the bird from the crows. I was told by Pandit Ji not to keep a black and white dog - what to do? The bird (a baby) is now recovering in a box in my kitchen. I understand that Crows represent Shani - should I have rescued the bird. Is it wise to keep the bird in my kitchen while it recovers or should I have watched nature unfold and the Crows kill the black and white bird. Actually common sense says I should rescue the bird and care for it until it recovers, but I am worried about Astrological effects of this action. Can someone help please?> details if needed are> Shani 2.34.11and Moon 11.13.59 in 11th house> Ketu is 20.27.13

in 10th house> Venus 13.42.29 9th house> Mercury15.06.50 Mars 23.02.30 Sun28.47.32 7th house> Jupiter 16.59.49 5th house> Rahu 20.27.13 4th house> Ascendant 17.19.41 Scorpio> Thank you> Su> > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger > > >