Re:lal kitab and palmistry[samudric shastra]attn-sh upadhayay ji

May 28, 2004

Lalkitabee ji, Gopal ji and other lalkitabists,

The objective to form this group was learning Lal Kitab priciples. But you are right that group seems to be losing directions. This group has become just a place to provide remedies. If I oppose this thing, I'll be blamed that I am agaist helping humanity :-). If all Lalkitabists of this group are interested, I can force discussion only on the basis of Lal Kitab farmaans. But for that I need everyone's support. We can discuss individual's horoscope as case studies but with mentioning the principles of Lal Kitab behind that.

I REQUEST ALL LAL KITAB ASTROLOGERS TO MENTION LAL KITAB PRICIPLES BEHIND JUDGING THE HOROSCOPE AND PROVIDING REMEDIES.

Please let me know your opinion on this.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

Respected Dr. Gopal ji According to your querry ,Foundation of this group was to clear all those concepts which you expressed.I become the member of this group with this spirit also. But after sometime i felt that group is going indirectionally. There remained problems and remedies only. Discussion of lalkitab was gone away.I tried to do this with my views but i think there was language problem between me and forum. Because I can express easily myself in sanskrit or hindi beside english. So i became nuteral. Group was going in full swing.Remedies were written one by one, But where was discussion ? Nobody answered that what is astrology ? How can we feel that astrology works as a superscience.Lalkitab has a system of concepts. Some concepts are clear but some are hidden in keywords.So there should be the motive to clear

keywords and hidden matter of lalkitab. Our motive must be to pull out those concepts which are placed in Toranto at Pt. Somduttji' home in the handwritting of Pt. Roopchand Ji. Most of our members are residing abroad. If they compell Mr. Somdutt ji to publish other material which is belonged to lalkitab, then i think our forum will be directional.But it can be possible by great discussion of lalkitab's FARMAANS.Much research is nescessary in this field.Logics must be clear about prediction and remedies. We should join this forum as a scholar of lalkitab.Discuss your problems but with discussions of siddhants (FARMAANS) of lalkitab.Astrolgers of this group must argue to other astrologers without malice. They must perform decoding of FARMAANS according to their selfstudy and practice.When a group of lalkitabers will arise with this motive ,then i think Mr. Somdutt will come as a leader to guide this group with the written

material of Pt. Roopchand JI. Thanks With regards Lalkitabeelalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> dear lalkitabee;> it is very strange that nobody is coming out with a new printed > version /edition of complete original lalkitab so that the things may > become crystal clear.also the experts;list members are discussing > cases and offering remedies but not much effort is being done to> clarify the principles one by one.no malice is intended

pl.> thanks> dr.gopalsharma.> > > lalkitab , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee> wrote:> > Respected Dr. Sharma> > It is realy a fact that lalkitab is based upon study of the > palm > > but after perfection only.In the very begining of lalkitab is > > written ,"is kitab main samudrik vdya ki varn mala mukammal tour > per > > dene ki koshish ki gai hai. kundli ka banana aur uski durusti ka > > janchna tamaam vidya ko janne ke baad shuru karain pehle maujoodaa > > vakt

main jyotish ki banai kundli se tajurbaa hasil karain."> > according to this clears that this book is based upon samudrik > > shastra and palmistry. You will be surprized that there is > included > > vastu shastra also.System of "makaan kundli" also has given in > > lalkitab.Which shows that there was something to be written about > > vastu of lalkitab.Alas! nobody knows what was written material > after > > this published last addition.I think some material is more which is > > now decaying in the junk of anywhere.> > With regards >

> lalkitabee> > > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > > resp sh upadhaya ji and list memebers;> > > > > > whether there is any correlation between the birth chart and > > position > > > of lines on palm; it is said that lalkitab is based on study of > palm> > > as well;particularly for rectification of charts or in case the > > birth > > > details are not available then horoscope can be erected by > studying> > > the palm and presence of various sign related to planets on palm.> > > about adecade back i happen to meet a learned person in delhi >

who > > > used to study palm and then prescribe lalkitab remedies;very > > > effectively.i find it strange that since inception of list;the > > > subject ie that is use of palmistry or samudric shastra has not > > been > > > mentioned leave aside discussion? kindly take it in positive > > way;and > > > if there is any substance in above message why not come out with > it.> > > thanks> > > with regards.> >

> dr gopal sharma.

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May 28, 2004

Bhuwan ji, Lalkitabee ji & Amit ji,

It is the best way to suggest remedy. Discussion is very much required. I hope that everyone will take it in a constructive way.

Amit ji: No one is experimenting on you. Astrology is a complex science. And there are lots of places for difference of opinion. I hope whatever you will get after this discussion will be the best.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote:

Respected Pandey JeeI agree with you. That is how we will learnwith respectbhuwanlalkitab , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> wrote:> > Lalkitabee ji, Gopal ji and other lalkitabists,> > > > The objective to form this group was learning Lal Kitab priciples. But you are right that group seems to be losing directions. This group has become just a place to provide remedies. If I oppose this thing, I'll be blamed that I am agaist helping humanity :-). If all Lalkitabists of this group are interested, I can force discussion only on the basis of Lal Kitab farmaans. But for that I need everyone's support. We can discuss individual's horoscope as case studies but with mentioning the principles of

Lal Kitab behind that. > > > > I REQUEST ALL LAL KITAB ASTROLOGERS TO MENTION LAL KITAB PRICIPLES BEHIND JUDGING THE HOROSCOPE AND PROVIDING REMEDIES. > > > > Please let me know your opinion on this.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> Respected Dr. Gopal ji> According to your querry ,Foundation of this group was to clear all > those concepts which you expressed.I become the member of this group > with this spirit also. But after sometime i felt that group is going > indirectionally. There remained problems and remedies only. > Discussion of lalkitab was gone away.I tried to do this with my views > but i think there was language problem between me and forum. Because > I can express

easily myself in sanskrit or hindi beside english. So i > became nuteral. Group was going in full swing.Remedies were written > one by one, But where was discussion ? Nobody answered that what is > astrology ? How can we feel that astrology works as a > superscience.Lalkitab has a system of concepts. Some concepts are > clear but some are hidden in keywords.So there should be the motive > to clear keywords and hidden matter of lalkitab. Our motive must be > to pull out those concepts which are placed in Toranto at Pt. > Somduttji' home in the handwritting of Pt. Roopchand Ji. Most of our > members are residing abroad. If they compell Mr. Somdutt ji to > publish other material which is belonged to lalkitab, then i think > our forum will be directional.But it can be possible by great > discussion of lalkitab's FARMAANS.Much research is nescessary in this > field.Logics must be clear

about prediction and remedies. We should > join this forum as a scholar of lalkitab.Discuss your problems but > with discussions of siddhants (FARMAANS) of lalkitab.Astrolgers of > this group must argue to other astrologers without malice. They must > perform decoding of FARMAANS according to their selfstudy and > practice.When a group of lalkitabers will arise with this > motive ,then i think Mr. Somdutt will come as a leader to guide this > group with the written material of Pt. Roopchand JI. > Thanks> With

regards> Lalkitabee> > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > dear lalkitabee;> > it is very strange that nobody is coming out with a new printed > > version /edition of complete original lalkitab so that the things > may > > become crystal clear.also the experts;list members are discussing > > cases and offering remedies but not much effort is being done to> > clarify the principles one by one.no malice is intended pl.> > thanks>

> dr.gopalsharma.> > > > > > lalkitab , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee> > wrote:> > > Respected Dr. Sharma> > > It is realy a fact that lalkitab is based upon study of the > > palm > > > but after perfection only.In the very begining of lalkitab is > > > written ,"is kitab main samudrik vdya ki varn mala mukammal tour > > per > > > dene ki koshish ki gai hai. kundli ka banana aur uski durusti ka > > > janchna tamaam vidya ko janne ke baad shuru karain pehle > maujoodaa > > > vakt main jyotish ki banai kundli se tajurbaa hasil karain."> > > according to this clears that this

book is based upon > samudrik > > > shastra and palmistry. You will be surprized that there is > > included > > > vastu shastra also.System of "makaan kundli" also has given in > > > lalkitab.Which shows that there was something to be written about > > > vastu of lalkitab.Alas! nobody knows what was written material > > after > > > this published last addition.I think some material is more which > is > > > now decaying in the junk of anywhere.> > > With regards > >

> lalkitabee> > > > > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > > > resp sh upadhaya ji and list memebers;> > > > > > > > whether there is any correlation between the birth chart and > > > position > > > > of lines on palm; it is said that lalkitab is based on study of > > palm> > > > as well;particularly for rectification of charts or in case the > > > birth > > > > details are not available then horoscope can be erected by > > studying> > > > the palm and presence of various sign related to planets on > palm.> >

> > about adecade back i happen to meet a learned person in delhi > > who > > > > used to study palm and then prescribe lalkitab remedies;very > > > > effectively.i find it strange that since inception of list;the > > > > subject ie that is use of palmistry or samudric shastra has not > > > been > > > > mentioned leave aside discussion? kindly take it in positive > > > way;and > > > > if there is any substance in above message why not come out > with > > it.> > > > thanks> > >

> with regards.> > > > dr gopal sharma.> > >

May 28, 2004

Hello Mr. Panday

I do agree with you , but imagine the two opposite things . Lalkitabee on one hand says this will be for my betterment . On the otherside Bhuvan says , barbaad ho jaye ga.

Now you can understand what is my position. In the mean while I have suspended all remedies told by Lalkitabee ( pls. do not take it otherwise).

Let all the learned people discuss these points , what ever the outcome will be , I will follow.

Please do discuss.

AMIT

[AMIT SHARMA] hi Punit Pandey [pandeypunit]Friday, May 28, 2004 11:52 AMlalkitab Subject: Re: [lalkitab] Re:Re: lal kitab and palmistry[samudric shastra]attn-sh upadhayay ji

Bhuwan ji, Lalkitabee ji & Amit ji,

It is the best way to suggest remedy. Discussion is very much required. I hope that everyone will take it in a constructive way.

Amit ji: No one is experimenting on you. Astrology is a complex science. And there are lots of places for difference of opinion. I hope whatever you will get after this discussion will be the best.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote:

Respected Pandey JeeI agree with you. That is how we will learnwith respectbhuwanlalkitab , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> wrote:> > Lalkitabee ji, Gopal ji and other lalkitabists,> > > > The objective to form this group was learning Lal Kitab priciples. But you are right that group seems to be losing directions. This group has become just a place to provide remedies. If I oppose this thing, I'll be blamed that I am agaist helping humanity :-). If all Lalkitabists of this group are interested, I can force discussion only on the basis of Lal Kitab farmaans. But for that I need everyone's support. We can discuss individual's horoscope as case studies but with mentioning the principles of Lal Kitab behind that. > > > > I REQUEST ALL LAL KITAB ASTROLOGERS TO MENTION LAL KITAB PRICIPLES BEHIND JUDGING THE HOROSCOPE AND PROVIDING REMEDIES. > > > > Please let me know your opinion on this.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> Respected Dr. Gopal ji> According to your querry ,Foundation of this group was to clear all > those concepts which you expressed.I become the member of this group > with this spirit also. But after sometime i felt that group is going > indirectionally. There remained problems and remedies only. > Discussion of lalkitab was gone away.I tried to do this with my views > but i think there was language problem between me and forum. Because > I can express easily myself in sanskrit or hindi beside english. So i > became nuteral. Group was going in full swing.Remedies were written > one by one, But where was discussion ? Nobody answered that what is > astrology ? How can we feel that astrology works as a > superscience.Lalkitab has a system of concepts. Some concepts are > clear but some are hidden in keywords.So there should be the motive > to clear keywords and hidden matter of lalkitab. Our motive must be > to pull out those concepts which are placed in Toranto at Pt. > Somduttji' home in the handwritting of Pt. Roopchand Ji. Most of our > members are residing abroad. If they compell Mr. Somdutt ji to > publish other material which is belonged to lalkitab, then i think > our forum will be directional.But it can be possible by great > discussion of lalkitab's FARMAANS.Much research is nescessary in this > field.Logics must be clear about prediction and remedies. We should > join this forum as a scholar of lalkitab.Discuss your problems but > with discussions of siddhants (FARMAANS) of lalkitab.Astrolgers of > this group must argue to other astrologers without malice. They must > perform decoding of FARMAANS according to their selfstudy and > practice.When a group of lalkitabers will arise with this > motive ,then i think Mr. Somdutt will come as a leader to guide this > group with the written material of Pt. Roopchand JI. > Thanks> With regards> Lalkitabee> > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > dear lalkitabee;> > it is very strange that nobody is coming out with a new printed > > version /edition of complete original lalkitab so that the things > may > > become crystal clear.also the experts;list members are discussing > > cases and offering remedies but not much effort is being done to> > clarify the principles one by one.no malice is intended pl.> > thanks> > dr.gopalsharma.> > > > > > lalkitab , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee> > wrote:> > > Respected Dr. Sharma> > > It is realy a fact that lalkitab is based upon study of the > > palm > > > but after perfection only.In the very begining of lalkitab is > > > written ,"is kitab main samudrik vdya ki varn mala mukammal tour > > per > > > dene ki koshish ki gai hai. kundli ka banana aur uski durusti ka > > > janchna tamaam vidya ko janne ke baad shuru karain pehle > maujoodaa > > > vakt main jyotish ki banai kundli se tajurbaa hasil karain."> > > according to this clears that this book is based upon > samudrik > > > shastra and palmistry. You will be surprized that there is > > included > > > vastu shastra also.System of "makaan kundli" also has given in > > > lalkitab.Which shows that there was something to be written about > > > vastu of lalkitab.Alas! nobody knows what was written material > > after > > > this published last addition.I think some material is more which > is > > > now decaying in the junk of anywhere.> > > With regards > > > lalkitabee> > > > > > lalkitab , "gopshaz" <gopshaz> wrote:> > > > resp sh upadhaya ji and list memebers;> > > > > > > > whether there is any correlation between the birth chart and > > > position > > > > of lines on palm; it is said that lalkitab is based on study of > > palm> > > > as well;particularly for rectification of charts or in case the > > > birth > > > > details are not available then horoscope can be erected by > > studying> > > > the palm and presence of various sign related to planets on > palm.> > > > about adecade back i happen to meet a learned person in delhi > > who > > > > used to study palm and then prescribe lalkitab remedies;very > > > > effectively.i find it strange that since inception of list;the > > > > subject ie that is use of palmistry or samudric shastra has not > > > been > > > > mentioned leave aside discussion? kindly take it in positive > > > way;and > > > > if there is any substance in above message why not come out > with > > it.> > > > thanks> > > > with regards.> > > > dr gopal sharma.> > >

May 28, 2004

Amit ji,

Please wait for Lalkitabee ji's reply. Please be assrued that he is one of the most learned astrologers of this group. Suppose, you would have went to some astrologer and paid some money; Then? You must be thankful to Lalkitabee ji & Buhwan ji for their time to judge your horoscope.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

AMIT SHARMA <amit wrote: