Casting a horoscope for children born outside of India

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Upadhyaji, Rajinderji and other learned members of this forum:

 

I have a question related to casting " Janam Kundali " for those born

outside of India. I have come across 2 diferent methodologies that

I need your help in sorting out

 

1) The classical method where latitude/longitude of the birth

location and birth time is converted to Mean time using a reference

location. This is a mathematical algorithm that you commonly see

used in computer softwares designed to cast horoscopes as well as by

many scholars.

 

2) The Lal Kitab " Lagan Sarini " method which uses Madras as the

epicenter. For any foreign born child, time of birth is converted

to Madras local time and the horoscope then made as if the birth of

the child occured in Madras at that local time. Implication of this

method is that 2 kids born at the SAME INSTANT one in Madras and say

one in New York will have identical horoscopes; however, the

difference will be in the environment they were born in.

 

When I look at the horoscope of my child born in the US using these

different methods I find that the planetary combinations turn out to

be identical, however, the difference is in the Lagna and hence they

are placed in differnt houses.

 

Method 1 is logical, intuitive and mathematically sound. After a

lot of reflection and discussion with a friend I have concluded that

Method 2 though not intuitive is also logical but the logic is very

subtle.

 

I am opening this for discussion and would like your experience on

the subject. Recognize that the method of choice has strong

ramifications not only in the development of the horoscope but also

in its subsequent use in developing varshphals and prescribing upayas

 

Regards

Vijay Arora

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Dear Vijay,

 

Haven't heard from you for ages. Where did you get this Lal

Kitab 'lagna Sarini' concept from ? Never heard of it, at least the

Lal Kitab doesn't mention it, does it ? The lagna is an extremely

crucial factor , so much so , that time rectification is a necessary

step taken in borderline cases. It could be done in different ways,

by asking questions about the past etc. And then lagna has other

ramifications leading to the varsh phal . Well any way I prefer and

follow the first option, it is scientific, logical and vedic.

 

sincerely,

 

upadhyay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote:

> Upadhyaji, Rajinderji and other learned members of this forum:

>

> I have a question related to casting " Janam Kundali " for those born

> outside of India. I have come across 2 diferent methodologies that

> I need your help in sorting out

>

> 1) The classical method where latitude/longitude of the birth

> location and birth time is converted to Mean time using a reference

> location. This is a mathematical algorithm that you commonly see

> used in computer softwares designed to cast horoscopes as well as

by

> many scholars.

>

> 2) The Lal Kitab " Lagan Sarini " method which uses Madras as the

> epicenter. For any foreign born child, time of birth is converted

> to Madras local time and the horoscope then made as if the birth of

> the child occured in Madras at that local time. Implication of

this

> method is that 2 kids born at the SAME INSTANT one in Madras and

say

> one in New York will have identical horoscopes; however, the

> difference will be in the environment they were born in.

>

> When I look at the horoscope of my child born in the US using these

> different methods I find that the planetary combinations turn out

to

> be identical, however, the difference is in the Lagna and hence

they

> are placed in differnt houses.

>

> Method 1 is logical, intuitive and mathematically sound. After a

> lot of reflection and discussion with a friend I have concluded

that

> Method 2 though not intuitive is also logical but the logic is very

> subtle.

>

> I am opening this for discussion and would like your experience on

> the subject. Recognize that the method of choice has strong

> ramifications not only in the development of the horoscope but also

> in its subsequent use in developing varshphals and prescribing

upayas

>

> Regards

> Vijay Arora

[Guest guest]

Dear Upadhyaji:

 

Thanks for your input; even though I am not a frequent visitor to

the forum, I can still notice the impact of your presence for the

group. Appreciate your social work.

 

As far as " Lagan Sarini " is concerned, it is a 4 " by 6 " booklet (in

Urdu) that was given to my father by Pt Roop Chand Joshi that

supports the logic(#2)I outlined below. I am quite sure there must

be some others within the group who may have seen it or own a copy.

Perhaps Mr. Rajinder Bhatia can elaborate more on this since he was

quite close to Pt. roop Chand Joshi and has had personal

interactions with him.

 

Regards

Vijay

 

lalkitab , " upadhyay_iitd "

<upadhyay_iitd> wrote:

>

> Dear Vijay,

>

> Haven't heard from you for ages. Where did you get this Lal

> Kitab 'lagna Sarini' concept from ? Never heard of it, at least

the

> Lal Kitab doesn't mention it, does it ? The lagna is an extremely

> crucial factor , so much so , that time rectification is a

necessary

> step taken in borderline cases. It could be done in different

ways,

> by asking questions about the past etc. And then lagna has other

> ramifications leading to the varsh phal . Well any way I prefer

and

> follow the first option, it is scientific, logical and vedic.

>

> sincerely,

>

> upadhyay

>

lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...>

wrote:

> > Upadhyaji, Rajinderji and other learned members of this forum:

> >

> > I have a question related to casting " Janam Kundali " for those

born

> > outside of India. I have come across 2 diferent methodologies

that

> > I need your help in sorting out

> >

> > 1) The classical method where latitude/longitude of the birth

> > location and birth time is converted to Mean time using a

reference

> > location. This is a mathematical algorithm that you commonly

see

> > used in computer softwares designed to cast horoscopes as well

as

> by

> > many scholars.

> >

> > 2) The Lal Kitab " Lagan Sarini " method which uses Madras as the

> > epicenter. For any foreign born child, time of birth is

converted

> > to Madras local time and the horoscope then made as if the birth

of

> > the child occured in Madras at that local time. Implication of

> this

> > method is that 2 kids born at the SAME INSTANT one in Madras and

> say

> > one in New York will have identical horoscopes; however, the

> > difference will be in the environment they were born in.

> >

> > When I look at the horoscope of my child born in the US using

these

> > different methods I find that the planetary combinations turn

out

> to

> > be identical, however, the difference is in the Lagna and hence

> they

> > are placed in differnt houses.

> >

> > Method 1 is logical, intuitive and mathematically sound. After

a

> > lot of reflection and discussion with a friend I have concluded

> that

> > Method 2 though not intuitive is also logical but the logic is

very

> > subtle.

> >

> > I am opening this for discussion and would like your experience

on

> > the subject. Recognize that the method of choice has strong

> > ramifications not only in the development of the horoscope but

also

> > in its subsequent use in developing varshphals and prescribing

> upayas

> >

> > Regards

> > Vijay Arora

[Guest guest]

Vijay ji,

 

I have not seen the booklet you are mentioning. But Mr. Joshi in Lal Kitab has always said that the method of casting the horoscope is same as classical astrology. So I think that we should use method one only.

 

Even for the method two, in which you are converting the time taking Madras as epicenter, the lagna should come same as method one. Take any place as epicenter whether Greenwich, Lanka, Ujjain or even Madras, if we are following correct process, the result must be same.

 

Another strange thing is, Mr. Roop Chand Joshi was the resident of Punjab. Why he was taking Madras as epicenter. It is altogether strange and I guess Bhatia ji can tell us better.

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

vkarora1949 <vkarora1 wrote:

 

Dear Upadhyaji:Thanks for your input; even though I am not a frequent visitor to the forum, I can still notice the impact of your presence for the group. Appreciate your social work.As far as "Lagan Sarini" is concerned, it is a 4" by 6" booklet (in Urdu) that was given to my father by Pt Roop Chand Joshi that supports the logic(#2)I outlined below. I am quite sure there must be some others within the group who may have seen it or own a copy. Perhaps Mr. Rajinder Bhatia can elaborate more on this since he was quite close to Pt. roop Chand Joshi and has had personal interactions with him.RegardsVijaylalkitab , "upadhyay_iitd" <upadhyay_iitd> wrote:> > Dear Vijay,> > Haven't heard from you for ages. Where did you get this Lal >

Kitab 'lagna Sarini' concept from ? Never heard of it, at least the > Lal Kitab doesn't mention it, does it ? The lagna is an extremely > crucial factor , so much so , that time rectification is a necessary > step taken in borderline cases. It could be done in different ways, > by asking questions about the past etc. And then lagna has other > ramifications leading to the varsh phal . Well any way I prefer and > follow the first option, it is scientific, logical and vedic.> > sincerely,> > upadhyay> > > > > > > > lalkitab , "vkarora1949" <vkarora1@h...> wrote:> > Upadhyaji, Rajinderji and other learned members of this forum:> > > > I have a question related to casting "Janam Kundali" for those born > > outside of India. I have come across 2 diferent

methodologies that > > I need your help in sorting out> > > > 1) The classical method where latitude/longitude of the birth > > location and birth time is converted to Mean time using a reference > > location. This is a mathematical algorithm that you commonly see > > used in computer softwares designed to cast horoscopes as well as > by > > many scholars.> > > > 2) The Lal Kitab "Lagan Sarini" method which uses Madras as the > > epicenter. For any foreign born child, time of birth is converted > > to Madras local time and the horoscope then made as if the birth of > > the child occured in Madras at that local time. Implication of > this > > method is that 2 kids born at the SAME INSTANT one in Madras and > say > > one in New York will have identical horoscopes; however, the >

> difference will be in the environment they were born in.> > > > When I look at the horoscope of my child born in the US using these > > different methods I find that the planetary combinations turn out > to > > be identical, however, the difference is in the Lagna and hence > they > > are placed in differnt houses.> > > > Method 1 is logical, intuitive and mathematically sound. After a > > lot of reflection and discussion with a friend I have concluded > that > > Method 2 though not intuitive is also logical but the logic is very > > subtle. > > > > I am opening this for discussion and would like your experience on > > the subject. Recognize that the method of choice has strong > > ramifications not only in the development of the horoscope but also > > in its

subsequent use in developing varshphals and prescribing > upayas> > > > Regards> > Vijay Arora

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

Mr.Bhatia had asked the same question to Pandit Roop Chand Joshi.As he

had started this system he decided to go as per Madras was taken for

Standard time of India during those days.

With regards,

Jagmeet

[Guest guest]

Jagmeet ji,

 

It is fine but it still does not answer the actual question. What should we do of foreign horoscope in case of discrepancy?

 

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandeyjagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa wrote:

Dear friends,Mr.Bhatia had asked the same question to Pandit Roop Chand Joshi.As hehad started this system he decided to go as per Madras was taken forStandard time of India during those days.With regards,Jagmeet

 

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