Pitri Rin

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Mrs. KK,

I am sorry my purpose was not to scare you and my sincerest apologies if my writing came out that way. Please give me a couple of days and I will get back to you.

In the meantime, please have your daughter-in-law wear a thick red thread around her wrist (Please ensure that it is strong enough so that it can stay till the baby is born.) You can wind it around numerous times so that it can stay around her wrist. When the baby is born, it is to be transferred to the baby. This will protect the baby. It must be done during daylight hours and can be done on any day of the week.

The particulars given by you will be most helpful in confirming the Pitri Rin situation.

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

k k <kkdelhi2003 wrote:

 

Dear Upadhyay ji, Bhatia ji and other members

 

Thank you for your responses. I am sorry to bring this up yet again, but I find that this dialogue is not helping me in my present predicament. As my daughter-in-law is pregnant, and given the circumstances and events I have stated in my first 2 mails, I am extremely anxious that if a boy is born, it may adversely affect my son. Also, keeping in mind the fact that my son's horoscope has Sun & Mercury in the 11th house, and given that he is rather fond of eating meat, though he doesn't consume much alcohol, is it safe to assume that a boy will NOT be born ? Also, Bhatiaji, could you tell me more precisely what you meant by "affect the children adversely" ? And would this be applicable to both boys and girls or only to boys, as girls are not considered "aulad" as per the Lal Kitab ?

 

Please help me in my current situation as it is most grave. I hope to receive your early replies in this connection.

 

I give below details of my daughter as well, for analysis of Pitri Rin :

 

Date of Birth : 18 December 1964

Place of Birth : New Delhi

Time of Birth : 1:42 pm

 

My own details are as follows, if they are of any help :

 

Date of Birth : 25 February 1938

Place of Birth : Montgomery, Pakistan (near Lahore 30.4N, 73.06E)

Time of Birth : 3:15 am

 

I regret that I am unable to provide any birth details of my husband as his parents passed away when he was very young, but the salient points of his life I can provide, if required, if it helps. I am sorry to occupy your time with this problem and thank you very much for your time and effort.

 

Regards

 

kk

Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd wrote:

Dear Bhatia ji ,Thanks for your comments.Its so nice of you to say a few words for me. Yes I agree it would have been all the better if we had a few more horoscopes of the 'khandan'. But just a point of clarification, I don't think Mrs KK's horoscope could be considered for the analysis because she doesnot belong to the 'khandan', not the same blood line , yes her daughter does.sincerely,upadhyaylalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Friends,> My sincerest apologies for delayed response.> Very humbly, I'd like to express my opinion in regard to Pitri Rin. The Pitri Rin should be based not just on one horoscope but other horoscopes in the

family should be considered also. For example, Mrs. KK's daughter's horoscope as well as her own (if available) should be considered before a judgement is made. Unfortunately, LalKitab does not state explicitly that the whole family's horoscope should be considered although the remedial measures do require the whole family's participation. Upadhayay Jee, you have done the best under the circumstances and hats off to you for responding so very quickly to most of the queries. But I'd like to share what I know in this regard. In no way do I mean to undermine your selfless services. After all the purpose of this forum is to share our knowledge. > > Regarding Sun in the eleventh, "shani kee khuraak" i.e., Meat eating and use of liqour will most likely affect the offspring quite adversely - I have seen this to be magically true.> Not only one has to become a total vegetarian but also there are a couple of remedial

measures that have to be performed. > > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> Dear Upadhay ji, Bhatiaji and all other members> > Thank you very much for your email. We will begin the upaya's as soon as possible. But will this help in the current situation ?? Also, is it not possible to determine from a horoscope whether a person will have male children or not. I believe that in my son's case, Sun & Mercury together in 11th house would not allow him to have male children if he eats meat (shani ki khurak), which he does, rather a lot in fact. If that is the case, then perhaps our fears of his having a son and consequently any bad effects on him,may be totally unfounded ?> > Please advise.> > Thanking you in advance.> > kkdelhi2003> > Suresh

Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd> wrote:> > Dear KK,> > There are always two 'grah' involved in a pitri-rin . As I can see > in your case it is Jupiter and Ketu. Therefore the upaya for these > two planets has to be done. The upaya will have to be done once a > week for 43 weeks {thats laid down in the Lal Kitab} continuously . > Since it is a very long period of time , there could be a possibility > when you may not be able to do the upaya for that week. Under such > circumstances you should keep a few grains of rice { chawal } washed > in milk ; ie if you have done the upaya for ,lets say,five weeks and > you have to go out for a few weeks where you possibly can't do the > upaya , in that case keep those rice at home. When you come back you > could start the upaya again , counted as the sixth week upaya. The > break in

between will not be considered as break and the upaya would > still be considered as continuous.> The second thing is that the upaya is to be done during the day > time ie after the sun rise and before the sun set.> Thirdly , the upaya can be done by either you or by your son.> > For each planet Two upaya are mentioned. You could do either of > those two upaya.> > UPAYA for JUPITER:> > [ a ] 'khandan ke her ek shakhsh , jahan tak khoon ka taluk ho,ke > hisse ka ek-ek rupia lekar ek din mandir mein charave , upaya ki had > tak' ... offer at any temple on one day of the week, a rupee each in > the name of all the khandan members for 43 weeks.It is always > advisable to add a few rupees extra for 'bhule-bisare'.> OR > [ b

] If there is a temple or a peepal tree within 16 steps ,either > in front of the house or on the left of the house , you could do > its 'sewa'> > After 43 weeks when you have done this upaya for Jupiter, you have to > start the upaya for Ketu. The two upaya can not be done together.> > UPAYA for KETU> > [ a ] Feed the dogs once a week for 43 weeks. Feed as many dogs as > you can.> > OR> > [ b ] If there is any poor widow close to your house , do her 'sewa' > meaning taking care of her and get her blessings . This too will have > to be done for 43 weeks.> > I hope these upaya help you get rid of the curse of 'pitri-rin'> > sincerely,> > upadhyay> > >

> > > > > lalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> > Dear Upadhyay ji> > > > Thank you very much for your email. With respect to your questions, > as I have already stated, my husbands parents had died when he was > quite young and being a victim of partition as well, there was not > much that was known about their life back then. Also, he was > estranged from his relatives when we got married and contact with his > side of the family was at best negligible.> > > > During recent times however, none of these things have taken place.> > > > What I am extremely concerned with, as mentioned in my previous > mail, is the effect on my son if his wife has a male child. Also, I > need to mention

that I also have a daughter, who was above 21 (well > above 16) when my husband passed away and had also completed her > graduation. So evidently this does not apply to the girls in the > family, as per the Lal Kitab, they arent even considered aulad.> > > > I await your reply> > > > Thank you very much> > > > kkdelhi2003> > > > Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd> wrote:> > > > Dear KK,> > > > Yes, this is the horoscope which fulfills all the three conditions > > of 'Pitri rin'. Once it is certain beyond doubt that there > is 'Pitra > > rin dosh' in the kundali , I would like to ask a few groups of > > questions to find out which planets are involved. One planet is > > already a suspect , because you have already mentioned

its > > menifestation in your write up.> > > > Could you please answer ?> > > > [ 1 ] Has some one in the family ever cut a peepal tree ?> > has some one ever demolished a place of worship or mazaar?> > Has education been discontinued for some in the family?*> > {* this you have already indicated in your write up}> > > > [2 ] Was there ever a well , a river , or a nala .... meaning a > > source of water where any family member had , in the past ,been > > dumping rubbish , or had been using that source of water as a > rubbish > > pan ?> > > > [ 3 ] Has there been any instance where you think the daughter or > > sister of the family had been harassed or tortured?>

> Has there been any case where a family member might have > > exchanged babies at birth?> > > > [ 4 ] Has any body in the family ever grabbed some body else's > house > > without paying him full money ?> > has any body constructed a house on the land of some one who > > doesn't have issue { be aulad }?> > has any body in the family constructed a house by either > > filling the well or just over it ?> > Has any body in the family constructed a house over a > thorough > > fare?> > > > [ 5 ] Has any body ever ditched or betrayed a family with the > result > > that they got destroyed ?> > Has there been any house in the family where the drain {

> > naali } was from under the thresh-hold { chaukhat } of the main > > entrance gate ?> > Has there been a house in the family where on the south of it > > were either a grave yard , or a bhatti of a halwai ?> > > > When I am talking of the family it means not only recent times, but > > may be a generation or two earlier.> > > > Waiting for your answers.> > > > sincerely,> > > > upadhyay> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> > > Dear Mr. Rajinder Bhatia, Upadyay ji, Tripathi ji and all other > > members,> > > > > > I have a problem that I need some help

with. Please bear with me > as > > this could be quite a long e-mail, given the situation.> > > > > > It is my belief (not based on any analysis but on various > > circumstances & events, which I believ are equally important as per > > the lal kitab) that my family suffers from 'Pitri Rin' in the sense > > that I believe that if a son is born in the family the father of > this > > child will pass away before that child is 16 years old. The reasons > > that i give are for this are as follows :> > > > > > 1. My husband was approximately 12 years old when his father > died. > > He died of TB.> > > > > > 2. My husband passed away when my son was 14 years old. He > himself > > was 56 then and had cancer.> > > > > > 3. My husbands

brother never married, has no children and is > today > > 78 years old.> > > > > > 4. All of the above, my husband, my father-in law, my brother-in-> > law and my son have not completed their graduation.> > > > > > I understand that Pitri Rin cannot be verified till the dates of > > births of the entire clan are available but I am extremely > concerned > > regarding my son as my daughter-in-law is pregnant.> > > > > > > > > > > > Could anyone please tell me if these fears are unfounded or could > > they have some substance and if so, is there any upaya ?? I give > > below my son's details :> > > > > > Date of Birth : 11 October 1971> > > Place of Birth : New Delhi> > > Time of Birth : 10:13 am> >

> > > > I await your early replies to my query.> > > > > > Thank you all very much> > > > > > kkdelhi2003> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now> > > > > >

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Dear Mr. Bhatia & Dheendsa ji

 

Thank you for your mails. I now look for confirmation from you whether it is Mercury as per Dheendsa ji's assessment or Jupiter & Ketu as per Upadhyay ji's. Also, again expressing the fear that I have stated in my first email, in our family, or in my husbands family, if you prefer, if a son is born, the father of that boy passes away before that boy attains the age of 16. It is for this purpose that I wrote to you, that we do not want a boy as it will/may affect my son's life. Hence this entire dialogue.

 

This is also why I asked whether it could be identified whether my son is to have a son at all given his Sun-Mer in the 11th house.

 

However I have yet not got a solution to my present situation. I do not mean to belittle all your contributions to this matter and cannot thank you all enough for your efforts.

 

Bhatiaji thank you for your reply. Please let me know your opinion as soon as you are able.

 

Regards

 

kk

 

jagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa wrote:

 

 

Dear friends,

I had the good fortune to meet Pandit Somdutt Ji.He spent few hours with us and looked at charts of my family,Self,wife,son and daughter.He also looked at the chart of my younger brother and his two sons.He told us there is PitriRin(of mercury) in all our charts including my wife's chart.In each chart mercury is placed in bad houses.

What I understood from him is that daughter-in-law is to be considered as own family AND married sister,daughter are also considered as own family.Taking that into account we have to include my father,my mother,my fathers living sister,three living sons,4 daughter-in-laws and all grandchildren for the purpose of Pitri Rin Upaye.

In view of above,Mrs.KK's chart should also be considered.If the same Pitri Rin planet is in her chart also then upaye should be done on behalf of all the family.I feel if the same is done by Mrs.KK's brother-in-law taking share from all family members it will be better as he is the eldest member in the family.

To me from the three charts it seems to be Mercury Pitri Rin.The more learned may please correct me.

Yellow Kodees equal to the number of family members as explained be burnt next to river/canal and the ashes be thrown in the water. IMPORTANT.Please ensure that no one specially family member crosses between the river and burning Kodees.Everything including the plate in which the Kodees are burnt is to be thrown in the water.

The three translations I have of the Lal Kitab and my discussion with Rajinder Bhatia Ji,my understanding is that person will not have a son till the age of 45 if he is non veg and has sun/mer in 11th house.But in this case with Ketu in 9th house in natal chart and in 5th in varsaphal,he should have one son.The father to be should stop eating meat and donate a goat for son's welfare.I hope Mrs.KK will let the group know the sex of the child so that I can see if my understanding of Lal Kitab is correct