Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Dear KK, There are always two 'grah' involved in a pitri-rin . As I can see in your case it is Jupiter and Ketu. Therefore the upaya for these two planets has to be done. The upaya will have to be done once a week for 43 weeks {thats laid down in the Lal Kitab} continuously . Since it is a very long period of time , there could be a possibility when you may not be able to do the upaya for that week. Under such circumstances you should keep a few grains of rice { chawal } washed in milk ; ie if you have done the upaya for ,lets say,five weeks and you have to go out for a few weeks where you possibly can't do the upaya , in that case keep those rice at home. When you come back you could start the upaya again , counted as the sixth week upaya. The break in between will not be considered as break and the upaya would still be considered as continuous. The second thing is that the upaya is to be done during the day time ie after the sun rise and before the sun set. Thirdly , the upaya can be done by either you or by your son. For each planet Two upaya are mentioned. You could do either of those two upaya. UPAYA for JUPITER: [ a ] 'khandan ke her ek shakhsh , jahan tak khoon ka taluk ho,ke hisse ka ek-ek rupia lekar ek din mandir mein charave , upaya ki had tak' ... offer at any temple on one day of the week, a rupee each in the name of all the khandan members for 43 weeks.It is always advisable to add a few rupees extra for 'bhule-bisare'. OR [ b ] If there is a temple or a peepal tree within 16 steps ,either in front of the house or on the left of the house , you could do its 'sewa' After 43 weeks when you have done this upaya for Jupiter, you have to start the upaya for Ketu. The two upaya can not be done together. UPAYA for KETU [ a ] Feed the dogs once a week for 43 weeks. Feed as many dogs as you can. OR [ b ] If there is any poor widow close to your house , do her 'sewa' meaning taking care of her and get her blessings . This too will have to be done for 43 weeks. I hope these upaya help you get rid of the curse of 'pitri-rin' sincerely, upadhyay lalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote: > Dear Upadhyay ji > > Thank you very much for your email. With respect to your questions, as I have already stated, my husbands parents had died when he was quite young and being a victim of partition as well, there was not much that was known about their life back then. Also, he was estranged from his relatives when we got married and contact with his side of the family was at best negligible. > > During recent times however, none of these things have taken place. > > What I am extremely concerned with, as mentioned in my previous mail, is the effect on my son if his wife has a male child. Also, I need to mention that I also have a daughter, who was above 21 (well above 16) when my husband passed away and had also completed her graduation. So evidently this does not apply to the girls in the family, as per the Lal Kitab, they arent even considered aulad. > > I await your reply > > Thank you very much > > kkdelhi2003 > > Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd> wrote: > > Dear KK, > > Yes, this is the horoscope which fulfills all the three conditions > of 'Pitri rin'. Once it is certain beyond doubt that there is 'Pitra > rin dosh' in the kundali , I would like to ask a few groups of > questions to find out which planets are involved. One planet is > already a suspect , because you have already mentioned its > menifestation in your write up. > > Could you please answer ? > > [ 1 ] Has some one in the family ever cut a peepal tree ? > has some one ever demolished a place of worship or mazaar? > Has education been discontinued for some in the family?* > {* this you have already indicated in your write up} > > [2 ] Was there ever a well , a river , or a nala .... meaning a > source of water where any family member had , in the past ,been > dumping rubbish , or had been using that source of water as a rubbish > pan ? > > [ 3 ] Has there been any instance where you think the daughter or > sister of the family had been harassed or tortured? > Has there been any case where a family member might have > exchanged babies at birth? > > [ 4 ] Has any body in the family ever grabbed some body else's house > without paying him full money ? > has any body constructed a house on the land of some one who > doesn't have issue { be aulad }? > has any body in the family constructed a house by either > filling the well or just over it ? > Has any body in the family constructed a house over a thorough > fare? > > [ 5 ] Has any body ever ditched or betrayed a family with the result > that they got destroyed ? > Has there been any house in the family where the drain { > naali } was from under the thresh-hold { chaukhat } of the main > entrance gate ? > Has there been a house in the family where on the south of it > were either a grave yard , or a bhatti of a halwai ? > > When I am talking of the family it means not only recent times, but > may be a generation or two earlier. > > Waiting for your answers. > > sincerely, > > upadhyay > > > > > > lalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Rajinder Bhatia, Upadyay ji, Tripathi ji and all other > members, > > > > I have a problem that I need some help with. Please bear with me as > this could be quite a long e-mail, given the situation. > > > > It is my belief (not based on any analysis but on various > circumstances & events, which I believ are equally important as per > the lal kitab) that my family suffers from 'Pitri Rin' in the sense > that I believe that if a son is born in the family the father of this > child will pass away before that child is 16 years old. The reasons > that i give are for this are as follows : > > > > 1. My husband was approximately 12 years old when his father died. > He died of TB. > > > > 2. My husband passed away when my son was 14 years old. He himself > was 56 then and had cancer. > > > > 3. My husbands brother never married, has no children and is today > 78 years old. > > > > 4. All of the above, my husband, my father-in law, my brother-in- > law and my son have not completed their graduation. > > > > I understand that Pitri Rin cannot be verified till the dates of > births of the entire clan are available but I am extremely concerned > regarding my son as my daughter-in-law is pregnant. > > > > > > > > Could anyone please tell me if these fears are unfounded or could > they have some substance and if so, is there any upaya ?? I give > below my son's details : > > > > Date of Birth : 11 October 1971 > > Place of Birth : New Delhi > > Time of Birth : 10:13 am > > > > I await your early replies to my query. > > > > Thank you all very much > > > > kkdelhi2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Dear Upadhay ji, Bhatiaji and all other members Thank you very much for your email. We will begin the upaya's as soon as possible. But will this help in the current situation ?? Also, is it not possible to determine from a horoscope whether a person will have male children or not. I believe that in my son's case, Sun & Mercury together in 11th house would not allow him to have male children if he eats meat (shani ki khurak), which he does, rather a lot in fact. If that is the case, then perhaps our fears of his having a son and consequently any bad effects on him,may be totally unfounded ? Please advise. Thanking you in advance. kkdelhi2003Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd wrote: Dear KK,There are always two 'grah' involved in a pitri-rin . As I can see in your case it is Jupiter and Ketu. Therefore the upaya for these two planets has to be done. The upaya will have to be done once a week for 43 weeks {thats laid down in the Lal Kitab} continuously . Since it is a very long period of time , there could be a possibility when you may not be able to do the upaya for that week. Under such circumstances you should keep a few grains of rice { chawal } washed in milk ; ie if you have done the upaya for ,lets say,five weeks and you have to go out for a few weeks where you possibly can't do the upaya , in that case keep those rice at home. When you come back you could start the upaya again , counted as the sixth week upaya. The break in between will not be considered as break and the upaya would still be considered as continuous.The second thing is that the upaya is to be done during the day time ie after the sun rise and before the sun set.Thirdly , the upaya can be done by either you or by your son.For each planet Two upaya are mentioned. You could do either of those two upaya.UPAYA for JUPITER:[ a ] 'khandan ke her ek shakhsh , jahan tak khoon ka taluk ho,ke hisse ka ek-ek rupia lekar ek din mandir mein charave , upaya ki had tak' ... offer at any temple on one day of the week, a rupee each in the name of all the khandan members for 43 weeks.It is always advisable to add a few rupees extra for 'bhule-bisare'. OR [ b ] If there is a temple or a peepal tree within 16 steps ,either in front of the house or on the left of the house , you could do its 'sewa'After 43 weeks when you have done this upaya for Jupiter, you have to start the upaya for Ketu. The two upaya can not be done together.UPAYA for KETU[ a ] Feed the dogs once a week for 43 weeks. Feed as many dogs as you can. OR[ b ] If there is any poor widow close to your house , do her 'sewa' meaning taking care of her and get her blessings . This too will have to be done for 43 weeks.I hope these upaya help you get rid of the curse of 'pitri-rin'sincerely,upadhyaylalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> Dear Upadhyay ji> > Thank you very much for your email. With respect to your questions, as I have already stated, my husbands parents had died when he was quite young and being a victim of partition as well, there was not much that was known about their life back then. Also, he was estranged from his relatives when we got married and contact with his side of the family was at best negligible.> > During recent times however, none of these things have taken place.> > What I am extremely concerned with, as mentioned in my previous mail, is the effect on my son if his wife has a male child. Also, I need to mention that I also have a daughter, who was above 21 (well above 16) when my husband passed away and had also completed her graduation. So evidently this does not apply to the girls in the family, as per the Lal Kitab, they arent even considered aulad.> > I await your reply> > Thank you very much> > kkdelhi2003> > Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd> wrote:> > Dear KK,> > Yes, this is the horoscope which fulfills all the three conditions > of 'Pitri rin'. Once it is certain beyond doubt that there is 'Pitra > rin dosh' in the kundali , I would like to ask a few groups of > questions to find out which planets are involved. One planet is > already a suspect , because you have already mentioned its > menifestation in your write up.> > Could you please answer ?> > [ 1 ] Has some one in the family ever cut a peepal tree ?> has some one ever demolished a place of worship or mazaar?> Has education been discontinued for some in the family?*> {* this you have already indicated in your write up}> > [2 ] Was there ever a well , a river , or a nala .... meaning a > source of water where any family member had , in the past ,been > dumping rubbish , or had been using that source of water as a rubbish > pan ?> > [ 3 ] Has there been any instance where you think the daughter or > sister of the family had been harassed or tortured?> Has there been any case where a family member might have > exchanged babies at birth?> > [ 4 ] Has any body in the family ever grabbed some body else's house > without paying him full money ?> has any body constructed a house on the land of some one who > doesn't have issue { be aulad }?> has any body in the family constructed a house by either > filling the well or just over it ?> Has any body in the family constructed a house over a thorough > fare?> > [ 5 ] Has any body ever ditched or betrayed a family with the result > that they got destroyed ?> Has there been any house in the family where the drain { > naali } was from under the thresh-hold { chaukhat } of the main > entrance gate ?> Has there been a house in the family where on the south of it > were either a grave yard , or a bhatti of a halwai ?> > When I am talking of the family it means not only recent times, but > may be a generation or two earlier.> > Waiting for your answers.> > sincerely,> > upadhyay> > > > > > lalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> > Dear Mr. Rajinder Bhatia, Upadyay ji, Tripathi ji and all other > members,> > > > I have a problem that I need some help with. Please bear with me as > this could be quite a long e-mail, given the situation.> > > > It is my belief (not based on any analysis but on various > circumstances & events, which I believ are equally important as per > the lal kitab) that my family suffers from 'Pitri Rin' in the sense > that I believe that if a son is born in the family the father of this > child will pass away before that child is 16 years old. The reasons > that i give are for this are as follows :> > > > 1. My husband was approximately 12 years old when his father died. > He died of TB.> > > > 2. My husband passed away when my son was 14 years old. He himself > was 56 then and had cancer.> > > > 3. My husbands brother never married, has no children and is today > 78 years old.> > > > 4. All of the above, my husband, my father-in law, my brother-in-> law and my son have not completed their graduation.> > > > I understand that Pitri Rin cannot be verified till the dates of > births of the entire clan are available but I am extremely concerned > regarding my son as my daughter-in-law is pregnant.> > > > > > > > Could anyone please tell me if these fears are unfounded or could > they have some substance and if so, is there any upaya ?? I give > below my son's details :> > > > Date of Birth : 11 October 1971> > Place of Birth : New Delhi> > Time of Birth : 10:13 am> > > > I await your early replies to my query.> > > > Thank you all very much> > > > kkdelhi2003> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Friends, My sincerest apologies for delayed response. Very humbly, I'd like to express my opinion in regard to Pitri Rin. The Pitri Rin should be based not just on one horoscope but other horoscopes in the family should be considered also. For example, Mrs. KK's daughter's horoscope as well as her own (if available) should be considered before a judgement is made. Unfortunately, LalKitab does not state explicitly that the whole family's horoscope should be considered although the remedial measures do require the whole family's participation. Upadhayay Jee, you have done the best under the circumstances and hats off to you for responding so very quickly to most of the queries. But I'd like to share what I know in this regard. In no way do I mean to undermine your selfless services. After all the purpose of this forum is to share our knowledge. Regarding Sun in the eleventh, "shani kee khuraak" i.e., Meat eating and use of liqour will most likely affect the offspring quite adversely - I have seen this to be magically true. Not only one has to become a total vegetarian but also there are a couple of remedial measures that have to be performed. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatiak k <kkdelhi2003 wrote: Dear Upadhay ji, Bhatiaji and all other members Thank you very much for your email. We will begin the upaya's as soon as possible. But will this help in the current situation ?? Also, is it not possible to determine from a horoscope whether a person will have male children or not. I believe that in my son's case, Sun & Mercury together in 11th house would not allow him to have male children if he eats meat (shani ki khurak), which he does, rather a lot in fact. If that is the case, then perhaps our fears of his having a son and consequently any bad effects on him,may be totally unfounded ? Please advise. Thanking you in advance. kkdelhi2003Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd wrote: Dear KK,There are always two 'grah' involved in a pitri-rin . As I can see in your case it is Jupiter and Ketu. Therefore the upaya for these two planets has to be done. The upaya will have to be done once a week for 43 weeks {thats laid down in the Lal Kitab} continuously . Since it is a very long period of time , there could be a possibility when you may not be able to do the upaya for that week. Under such circumstances you should keep a few grains of rice { chawal } washed in milk ; ie if you have done the upaya for ,lets say,five weeks and you have to go out for a few weeks where you possibly can't do the upaya , in that case keep those rice at home. When you come back you could start the upaya again , counted as the sixth week upaya. The break in between will not be considered as break and the upaya would still be considered as continuous.The second thing is that the upaya is to be done during the day time ie after the sun rise and before the sun set.Thirdly , the upaya can be done by either you or by your son.For each planet Two upaya are mentioned. You could do either of those two upaya.UPAYA for JUPITER:[ a ] 'khandan ke her ek shakhsh , jahan tak khoon ka taluk ho,ke hisse ka ek-ek rupia lekar ek din mandir mein charave , upaya ki had tak' ... offer at any temple on one day of the week, a rupee each in the name of all the khandan members for 43 weeks.It is always advisable to add a few rupees extra for 'bhule-bisare'. OR [ b ] If there is a temple or a peepal tree within 16 steps ,either in front of the house or on the left of the house , you could do its 'sewa'After 43 weeks when you have done this upaya for Jupiter, you have to start the upaya for Ketu. The two upaya can not be done together.UPAYA for KETU[ a ] Feed the dogs once a week for 43 weeks. Feed as many dogs as you can. OR[ b ] If there is any poor widow close to your house , do her 'sewa' meaning taking care of her and get her blessings . This too will have to be done for 43 weeks.I hope these upaya help you get rid of the curse of 'pitri-rin'sincerely,upadhyaylalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> Dear Upadhyay ji> > Thank you very much for your email. With respect to your questions, as I have already stated, my husbands parents had died when he was quite young and being a victim of partition as well, there was not much that was known about their life back then. Also, he was estranged from his relatives when we got married and contact with his side of the family was at best negligible.> > During recent times however, none of these things have taken place.> > What I am extremely concerned with, as mentioned in my previous mail, is the effect on my son if his wife has a male child. Also, I need to mention that I also have a daughter, who was above 21 (well above 16) when my husband passed away and had also completed her graduation. So evidently this does not apply to the girls in the family, as per the Lal Kitab, they arent even considered aulad.> > I await your reply> > Thank you very much> > kkdelhi2003> > Suresh Upadhyay <upadhyay_iitd> wrote:> > Dear KK,> > Yes, this is the horoscope which fulfills all the three conditions > of 'Pitri rin'. Once it is certain beyond doubt that there is 'Pitra > rin dosh' in the kundali , I would like to ask a few groups of > questions to find out which planets are involved. One planet is > already a suspect , because you have already mentioned its > menifestation in your write up.> > Could you please answer ?> > [ 1 ] Has some one in the family ever cut a peepal tree ?> has some one ever demolished a place of worship or mazaar?> Has education been discontinued for some in the family?*> {* this you have already indicated in your write up}> > [2 ] Was there ever a well , a river , or a nala .... meaning a > source of water where any family member had , in the past ,been > dumping rubbish , or had been using that source of water as a rubbish > pan ?> > [ 3 ] Has there been any instance where you think the daughter or > sister of the family had been harassed or tortured?> Has there been any case where a family member might have > exchanged babies at birth?> > [ 4 ] Has any body in the family ever grabbed some body else's house > without paying him full money ?> has any body constructed a house on the land of some one who > doesn't have issue { be aulad }?> has any body in the family constructed a house by either > filling the well or just over it ?> Has any body in the family constructed a house over a thorough > fare?> > [ 5 ] Has any body ever ditched or betrayed a family with the result > that they got destroyed ?> Has there been any house in the family where the drain { > naali } was from under the thresh-hold { chaukhat } of the main > entrance gate ?> Has there been a house in the family where on the south of it > were either a grave yard , or a bhatti of a halwai ?> > When I am talking of the family it means not only recent times, but > may be a generation or two earlier.> > Waiting for your answers.> > sincerely,> > upadhyay> > > > > > lalkitab , k k <kkdelhi2003> wrote:> > Dear Mr. Rajinder Bhatia, Upadyay ji, Tripathi ji and all other > members,> > > > I have a problem that I need some help with. Please bear with me as > this could be quite a long e-mail, given the situation.> > > > It is my belief (not based on any analysis but on various > circumstances & events, which I believ are equally important as per > the lal kitab) that my family suffers from 'Pitri Rin' in the sense > that I believe that if a son is born in the family the father of this > child will pass away before that child is 16 years old. The reasons > that i give are for this are as follows :> > > > 1. My husband was approximately 12 years old when his father died. > He died of TB.> > > > 2. My husband passed away when my son was 14 years old. He himself > was 56 then and had cancer.> > > > 3. My husbands brother never married, has no children and is today > 78 years old.> > > > 4. All of the above, my husband, my father-in law, my brother-in-> law and my son have not completed their graduation.> > > > I understand that Pitri Rin cannot be verified till the dates of > births of the entire clan are available but I am extremely concerned > regarding my son as my daughter-in-law is pregnant.> > > > > > > > Could anyone please tell me if these fears are unfounded or could > they have some substance and if so, is there any upaya ?? I give > below my son's details :> > > > Date of Birth : 11 October 1971> > Place of Birth : New Delhi> > Time of Birth : 10:13 am> > > > I await your early replies to my query.> > > > Thank you all very much> > > > kkdelhi2003> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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