Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 ymsgr:sendIM?upadhyay_iitdymsgr:sendIM? upadhyay_iitd " upadhyay_iitd " <upadhyay_iitd> Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:18 am Attn : Manoj Sharma - Pitr - Rin kundali Dear Manoj ji , Pitra-Rin Since we enjoy the wealth, name and fame earned by our ancestors we are equally liable to suffer their misdeeds too. The dosh created as a result of the bad deeds of our ancestors is paitrik- dosh or pitra-rin or pitra-shrap. Even in the legal system we are held responsible for the debts of our forefathers similarly in astrology too we have to pay their debts. Brahat parashar gives 14 kinds of pitra-shrap, Mantreshwar in phal deepika says that rahu in the 5th creates pishach-badha, Gopal Ratnakar calls it sarp-shrap. In the traditional vedic astrology Rahu is considered the main cause of these dosh . Lal Kitab in its 1952 edition discusses this problem in great detail along with its remedies . I quote from Lal Kitab : {ghar nauve ho koi grah baitha, budh baitha jad saathi ho rin pitri us ghar se hoga , asar grah sab nisphal ho ; saathi grah jab jad koi kate , drishti magar wo chhupta ho paanch ,barah, do, nau koi mande, rin pitri ban jaata ho } These lines describe three conditions of pitra-rin: [ 1 ] ' ghar nauve ho koi grah baitha , budh baitha jad saathi ho ' ---- If there is a grah in the 9th house and Mercury occupies the rashi of that grah then it will be a pitr-rin kundali. For example jupiter is in the 9th house and if Mercury is in either sagittarius or pisces , or venus is in the 9th and mercury is in taurus or libra . [ 2 ] ' saathi grah jab jad koi kate , drishti magar wo chhuptaa ho ' --- when the enemy planets occupy a rashi and is not aspected by the rashi lord , the kundali will be of pitr-rin. For example if the enemy planets of saturn like sun , moon or mars occupy either makar or kumbha and if not aspected by saturn . [ 3 ] 'paanch barah nau do koi mande , rin pitra ban jaata ho' --- if there is an enemy planet of Jupiter like venus or mercury in the 5th , 12th , 9th and 2nd then also it will be a pitr-rin kundali . The Lal kitab suggests remedies in detail for pitr-rin arising out of such situations . It provides the detailed cause of these debts , the grah involved and its remedies. I have not seen such a detail in any other book on astrology. With regards upadhyay In gjlist , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000> wrote: > Dear Mr. Upadhyay, > Hope you have been good all this while. > > I have a small query--what is pitra dosha in the horoscope and what is the remedy to dilute this dosha. > > Regards > Manoj Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Upadhyay Jee, May I offer a couple of comments on the description given by you of "Pitri Rin ?" 1. Pirti Rin should be determined collectively from the entire family's horoscope. It must NOT be determined from one individual's horoscope. For example, if Mercury for the entire family is in the 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 9th, 11th or 12th houses and, the current happenings in the family (for the entire generation) are in sync with Mercury being a melefic, then we can conclude that Mercury is in Rin Pitri condition and take appropriate remedial measures. Any decision based on a single horoscope will be inappropriate. 2. I am using your comments here, underlined where you have used sagittaius, pisces, taurus, libra etc. Please note that LalKitab does not refer to the Rashis at all, but to the house numbers. It is imperitive that you write sign '1' in the ascendant (regardless of the actual asdendant sign) and '2' in the second house etc. while using any of the LalKitab concepts. Per LalKitab, a planet has the ownership of a house and not that of a Rashi occupying a house. That is one of the most fundamental and distinct features of LalKitab and it does cause a lot of confusion and misundestanding when the traditional Vedic astrology is mixed with LalKitab astrlogy. and '2' in the second house. [ 1 ] ' ghar nauve ho koi grah baitha , budh baitha jad saathi ho ' ---- If there is a grah in the 9th house and Mercury occupies the rashi of that grah then it will be a pitr-rin kundali. For example jupiter is in the 9th house and if Mercury is in either sagittarius or pisces , or venus is in the 9th and mercury is in taurus or libra . Everyone is welcome to comment on this. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Dear Bhatia ji, I know what you mean. According to my understanding, of the three couplets the first two talk of the rasi and the third one talks of the pakka ghar of Jup. If this distinction was not to be made then he could have said ' jad guru jab ho manda, rin pitr ban jaata ho' instead of giving the pakka ghar of jup. sincerely, upadhyay lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Upadhyay Jee, > > May I offer a couple of comments on the description given by you of " Pitri Rin ? " > > 1. Pirti Rin should be determined collectively from the entire family's horoscope. It must NOT be determined from one individual's horoscope. For example, if Mercury for the entire family is in the 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 9th, 11th or 12th houses and, the current happenings in the family (for the entire generation) are in sync with Mercury being a melefic, then we can conclude that Mercury is in Rin Pitri condition and take appropriate remedial measures. Any decision based on a single horoscope will be inappropriate. > > 2. I am using your comments here, underlined where you have used sagittaius, pisces, taurus, libra etc. Please note that LalKitab does not refer to the Rashis at all, but to the house numbers. It is imperitive that you write sign '1' in the ascendant (regardless of the actual asdendant sign) and '2' in the second house etc. while using any of the LalKitab concepts. Per LalKitab, a planet has the ownership of a house and not that of a Rashi occupying a house. That is one of the most fundamental and distinct features of LalKitab and it does cause a lot of confusion and misundestanding when the traditional Vedic astrology is mixed with LalKitab astrlogy. > > and '2' in the second house. > [ 1 ] ' ghar nauve ho koi grah baitha , budh baitha jad saathi > ho ' ---- If there is a grah in the 9th house and Mercury occupies > the rashi of that grah then it will be a pitr-rin kundali. For > example jupiter is in the 9th house and if Mercury is in either > sagittarius or pisces , or venus is in the 9th and mercury is in taurus or libra . > > Everyone is welcome to comment on this. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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