General confusion regarding Aries Lagna

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Friends,I wish to bring to the attention of my fellow Lalkitabists something that has confused many LalKitab enthusiasts. Just at the begining of each Lal Kitab, it ismentioned that whatever the ascendant is, should be converted to Aries. As a result,many folks are ( I have seen this happen numerous number of times and with due apologies to those who know) confused. They think that whatever planet "was placed" in Aries will also move to the first house. No. That is not true. Let me illustrate this with a sample horoscope. (Sorry can't draw the diagram of a horoscope) made using the principles of classical Vedic astrology:

Lagna: Sign Libra(7) Planet: SATURN (House number 1, Lagna) Sign Scorpio(8) Planets: MARS and KETU (House number 2) Sign Saggitarius(9) Planet: JUPITER (House number 3) Sign Capricorn(10) no planet (House number 4) Sign Aquarius(11) no planet (House number 5) Sign Pisces(12) no planet (House number 6) Sign ARIES(1) no planet (House number 7) Sign Taurus(2) Planet: RAHU (House number 8) Sign Cancer(3) no planet (House number 9) Sign Leo(4) no planet (House number 10) Sign Virgo (5) Planets: SUN and MERCURY (House number 11) Sign Libra (6) Planets: MOON and VENUS (House number 12) This is our "classical" janma kundali based on regular Indian astrology.

Lal Kitab says that in order to judge this horoscope on Lal Kitab basis, you should "wipe off" the number "7" from the Lagna and replace it with "1" - Aries but DONOT change the position of the planets. In other words, Saturn will still stay in house number (Khana number 1, Lagna but instead of the original sign Libra, it will be Aries) and Mars and Ketu will still stay in Khana number 2 though theRashi number (8) will be replaced by the number 2. In error, some folks have been replacing Aries in Lagna but then they move Rahu to the second house in the horoscope (because it is in the Taurus Rashi) and Sun and Mercury to the fifth house in the horoscope, and so on. Actually, you DO NOT have to (and I recommend that you do not) switch the Rashis as prescribed. The reason that the author prescribed it in that manner was simply to remove the confusion of considering the "Lord of the Lagna is in the fifth house etc."the principles that govern the classical astrology. When I analyze a horoscope on Lal Kitab methodolgy (that's the only one I know, anyways) it does NOT matter to me whether the rising sign in ascendent is Aries or Cancer or Libra. I simply see which planet is in the first house, is it "asleep" or "awake", is it exalted, is it debilitated, (based on "naik haalat" or "mandi haalat) and then make a decision by asking questions. So the above horoscope will be analysed as follows:

1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number "1" - I don't care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something else. 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care about scorpio or Taurus. 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3. 4. Rahu in Khaana number 8. 5. Sun and Mercury in khaana number 11. It doesn't bother me that Sun is in Virgo or Aquarius. 6. Moon and Venus in khaana number 12. When you start mixing Lal Kitab and the classical astrology, then you start making errors.

I think that is why Pt Roop Chand ji recommended the "blanket" rule - changeeverything to Aries lagna WITHOUT moving the planets and then see the phalaadesh based on Lal Kitab. Now, it may seem very strange to those who are not initiated into LalKitab methodology to have this type of mindset. But with due apologies to the purists, this Lal Kitab system works extremely well.

I invite your comments. (I say that every time, but I don't hear anything in return.)

Rajinder Bhatia

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[lalkitab] General confusion regarding Aries Lagna

 

1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number "1" - I don't care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something else. 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care about scorpio or Taurus. 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.

Having said that, how do you consider a planet is slept or awake etc.? Sign of deb. exaltation can only be considered relating to the planets in which sign ? Getting confused!!

 

A novice into Lalkitab

 

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Disregarding the exisiting sign in the ascendent (or any other house in the Janma Kundali) is the basis of Lal Kitab (LK) astrology. In the example that I cited, original Lagna sign is Libra. While judging the horoscope, disregard Libra and just remember that Saturn is in the first house. With due respect to the principles of classical astrology, I wish to say that YOU MUST DISREGARD THOSE RULES FOR (LK) PURPOSES (I know it is hard to do so BUT if you want to utilize LK, you MUST follow its rules; there is a method behind the madness.)

Let me, just for the sake of argument, present strictly MY personal way of looking at this horoscope. Let us consider just the first house. In general, Saturn is considered a malefic in the first house according to LK. However, if Saturn is followed by Ketu and Rahu in the horoscope, then it is considered a benefic by naure (LK rule.) In the example horoscope, such is the case (Ketu in the 2nd house and Rahu in the 8th.) According to LK aspect principles, the 9th and the 7th houses provide significant aspects, both of which are unoccupied houses so Saturn is "asleep"; the 4th and 6th can cause evil aspects and those are unoccupied also. So, the scale tilts in favor of Saturn as not a malefic. If Saturn is "asleep" it is not necessarily bad. In my personal opinion, "let the sleeping dogs sleep" unless we need them to "wake up." Now, Venus is not in the first house, that's another plus. The 7th and 10th houses are unoccupied; Saturn has chances of becoming a benefic (LK Saturn in Khaana 1.)

Then you start evaluating other factors that are pertinent to Saturn in the first house. Example: If the person drinks alcohol (regradless of how infrequently or how little) then it will certainly mess up Saturn (Saturn in 1st house - LK.) If the native's house faces towards West, then Saturn will provide poor results. If education is incomplete, Saturn will be a proven melefic (Saturn in 1st per LK.) If the person has a densely hairy body, then Saturn will act as a malefic. Taking all these factors into consideration, you will make your judgement. If the native's parents had their property auctioned off or, in general, are going through a very trying time, financially, then again, Saturn may be regarded as a malefic. There are other factors you need to take into consideration like the age of the native. (So as to determine which planet is ruling according to the LK system.) Whether this is a male's horoscope or a female's horoscope.

If it is a female, is she married (in which case her husband's horoscope may dominate hers provided certain conditions as specified in LK are met)?

 

Do we need to suggest any remedial measures? Maybe. Depends on the circumstances. Health, Finance and Profession - there are three distinct areas for which distinct upayas can be suggested for Saturn in the first house. But do not perform the upaya needlessly. If everything is working fine (i.e., Saturn is in "naik haalat", the person is doing very well (enjoying the benefits of "machhh rekha") then let the sleeping dogs sleep. Don't "wake" it up by doing an upaya for the sake of doing an upaya. Another thing to consider is if the person has a star on the mount of Sun or the sign of fish on his/her palm, then Saturn is a benefic.

 

Here, I haven't analyzed/considered the effects of other planets. But that will be done similarly.

The above analysis is based strictly on my personal observation and is for discussion/ illustration purposes only. I could be wrong, please use your own discretion. Better, let me know and please correct me; that should be the purpose of this forum.

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

 

 

1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number "1" - I don't care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something else. 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care about scorpio or Taurus. 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.

Having said that, how do you consider a planet is slept or awake etc.? Sign of deb. exaltation can only be considered relating to the planets in which sign ? Getting confused!!

 

A novice into Lalkitab

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Dear Mr. Bhatia,

Pranaam.

In any branch of astrology whether it is Lal Kitab or classical astrology, the judgement of malefic and benefic is very difficult. Once you reached to malefic/benefic conclusion, you can predict a lot. You have given a very good guideline here for judging benefices and malefics. I am highly thankful to that. From you observation I have concluded a few things (previously I was confused for that). I used to think that 1. Planet conjoining any planet(s) 2. Planet receiving aspect of other planet(s) 3. Planet(s) sitting in the root of the planet and 4. takkar ke graha are only four important point for judging malefic/benefic. But I think you suggest few more things. Here is my conclusion for me. Please correct me whenever I have concluded wrong.

1. Planet next to any planet is very important. (Previously I did not pay much attention to this aspect). If the next planet is friend to the planet under judgment it is beneficial to the planet under judgment. Conversely if the next planet is inimical to the planet under judgment it is detrimental to the planet under judgment.

2. For judging whether any planet sleeping or not. We don't take only 7th aspect but all the aspects to that khana in which the planet is situated.

This is what I call guideline to Lal Kitab. Please keep posting these types of comments. If possible please let me know my malefic and benefic planets. My horoscope is -

Date of Birth: 11/04/1979Time of Birth: 18:23Place of Birth: Agra Lat: 078:02 E, 027:11 N

Planetary Positions:Moon - in Khana no. 1Venus & Ketu in Khana no. 6Sun, Mercury & Mars in Khana no. 7Jupiter in Khana no. 11Saturn & Rahu in khana no. 12

I understand that it is time consuming process. But please take some time out, as it will be very helpful for my (and probably for other group members) study of Lal Kitab.

Thanks & regards,

 

Punit Pandey

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Rajinder Bhatia [rajinderbhatia2002]08 March 2003 05:43lalkitab Subject: Re: [lalkitab] General confusion regarding Aries Lagna

Disregarding the exisiting sign in the ascendent (or any other house in the Janma Kundali) is the basis of Lal Kitab (LK) astrology. In the example that I cited, original Lagna sign is Libra. While judging the horoscope, disregard Libra and just remember that Saturn is in the first house. With due respect to the principles of classical astrology, I wish to say that YOU MUST DISREGARD THOSE RULES FOR (LK) PURPOSES (I know it is hard to do so BUT if you want to utilize LK, you MUST follow its rules; there is a method behind the madness.)

Let me, just for the sake of argument, present strictly MY personal way of looking at this horoscope. Let us consider just the first house. In general, Saturn is considered a malefic in the first house according to LK. However, if Saturn is followed by Ketu and Rahu in the horoscope, then it is considered a benefic by naure (LK rule.) In the example horoscope, such is the case (Ketu in the 2nd house and Rahu in the 8th.) According to LK aspect principles, the 9th and the 7th houses provide significant aspects, both of which are unoccupied houses so Saturn is "asleep"; the 4th and 6th can cause evil aspects and those are unoccupied also. So, the scale tilts in favor of Saturn as not a malefic. If Saturn is "asleep" it is not necessarily bad. In my personal opinion, "let the sleeping dogs sleep" unless we need them to "wake up." Now, Venus is not in the first house, that's another plus. The 7th and 10th houses are unoccupied; Saturn has chances of becoming a benefic (LK Saturn in Khaana 1.)

Then you start evaluating other factors that are pertinent to Saturn in the first house. Example: If the person drinks alcohol (regradless of how infrequently or how little) then it will certainly mess up Saturn (Saturn in 1st house - LK.) If the native's house faces towards West, then Saturn will provide poor results. If education is incomplete, Saturn will be a proven melefic (Saturn in 1st per LK.) If the person has a densely hairy body, then Saturn will act as a malefic. Taking all these factors into consideration, you will make your judgement. If the native's parents had their property auctioned off or, in general, are going through a very trying time, financially, then again, Saturn may be regarded as a malefic. There are other factors you need to take into consideration like the age of the native. (So as to determine which planet is ruling according to the LK system.) Whether this is a male's horoscope or a female's horoscope.

If it is a female, is she married (in which case her husband's horoscope may dominate hers provided certain conditions as specified in LK are met)?

 

Do we need to suggest any remedial measures? Maybe. Depends on the circumstances. Health, Finance and Profession - there are three distinct areas for which distinct upayas can be suggested for Saturn in the first house. But do not perform the upaya needlessly. If everything is working fine (i.e., Saturn is in "naik haalat", the person is doing very well (enjoying the benefits of "machhh rekha") then let the sleeping dogs sleep. Don't "wake" it up by doing an upaya for the sake of doing an upaya. Another thing to consider is if the person has a star on the mount of Sun or the sign of fish on his/her palm, then Saturn is a benefic.

 

Here, I haven't analyzed/considered the effects of other planets. But that will be done similarly.

The above analysis is based strictly on my personal observation and is for discussion/ illustration purposes only. I could be wrong, please use your own discretion. Better, let me know and please correct me; that should be the purpose of this forum.

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

 

 

1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number "1" - I don't care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something else. 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care about scorpio or Taurus. 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.

Having said that, how do you consider a planet is slept or awake etc.? Sign of deb. exaltation can only be considered relating to the planets in which sign ? Getting confused!!

 

A novice into Lalkitab

 

 

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shri bhatia ji namastey

by way of becoming the member of club of lal-kitab ii have become eager to know about the lal-kitab. now i desire to read all in detail of the lal-kitab from a to z.

therefore it will be help for me if the name of any book along with its auther with adress where i can find the same is funished to me. if it is available on net than where to search it thanking you sir

with regards shujata

Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

 

Friends,I wish to bring to the attention of my fellow Lalkitabists something that has confused many LalKitab enthusiasts. Just at the begining of each Lal Kitab, it ismentioned that whatever the ascendant is, should be converted to Aries. As a result,many folks are ( I have seen this happen numerous number of times and with due apologies to those who know) confused. They think that whatever planet "was placed" in Aries will also move to the first house. No. That is not true. Let me illustrate this with a sample horoscope. (Sorry can't draw the diagram of a horoscope) made using the principles of classical Vedic astrology:

Lagna: Sign Libra(7) Planet: SATURN (House number 1, Lagna) Sign Scorpio(8) Planets: MARS and KETU (House number 2) Sign Saggitarius(9) Planet: JUPITER (House number 3) Sign Capricorn(10) no planet (House number 4) Sign Aquarius(11) no planet (House number 5) Sign Pisces(12) no planet (House number 6) Sign ARIES(1) no planet (House number 7) Sign Taurus(2) Planet: RAHU (House number 8) Sign Cancer(3) no planet (House number 9) Sign Leo(4) no planet (House number 10) Sign Virgo (5) Planets: SUN and MERCURY (House number 11) Sign Libra (6) Planets: MOON and VENUS (House number 12) This is our "classical" janma kundali based on regular Indian astrology.

Lal Kitab says that in order to judge this horoscope on Lal Kitab basis, you should "wipe off" the number "7" from the Lagna and replace it with "1" - Aries but DONOT change the position of the planets. In other words, Saturn will still stay in house number (Khana number 1, Lagna but instead of the original sign Libra, it will be Aries) and Mars and Ketu will still stay in Khana number 2 though theRashi number (8) will be replaced by the number 2. In error, some folks have been replacing Aries in Lagna but then they move Rahu to the second house in the horoscope (because it is in the Taurus Rashi) and Sun and Mercury to the fifth house in the horoscope, and so on. Actually, you DO NOT have to (and I recommend that you do not) switch the Rashis as prescribed. The reason that the author prescribed it in that manner was simply to remove the confusion of considering the "Lord of the Lagna is in the fifth house etc."the principles that govern the classical astrology. When I analyze a horoscope on Lal Kitab methodolgy (that's the only one I know, anyways) it does NOT matter to me whether the rising sign in ascendent is Aries or Cancer or Libra. I simply see which planet is in the first house, is it "asleep" or "awake", is it exalted, is it debilitated, (based on "naik haalat" or "mandi haalat) and then make a decision by asking questions. So the above horoscope will be analysed as follows: 1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number "1" - I don't care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something else. 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care about scorpio or Taurus. 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3. 4. Rahu in Khaana number 8. 5. Sun and Mercury in khaana number 11. It doesn't bother me that Sun is in Virgo or Aquarius. 6. Moon and Venus in khaana number 12. When you start mixing Lal Kitab and the classical astrology, then you start making errors.

I think that is why Pt Roop Chand ji recommended the "blanket" rule - changeeverything to Aries lagna WITHOUT moving the planets and then see the phalaadesh based on Lal Kitab. Now, it may seem very strange to those who are not initiated into LalKitab methodology to have this type of mindset. But with due apologies to the purists, this Lal Kitab system works extremely well.

I invite your comments. (I say that every time, but I don't hear anything in return.) Rajinder Bhatia

 

 

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Dear Shujata,

 

Please go through old e-mails on this group. You can

find it at home page of this group at

lalkitab/

 

We have already discussed all this.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

--- shu shu <shu_62 wrote:

>

> shri bhatia ji namastey

> by way of becoming the member of club of

> lal-kitab ii have become eager to know about the

> lal-kitab. now i desire to read all in detail of the

> lal-kitab from a to z.

> therefore it will be help for me if the name of any

> book along with its auther with adress where i can

> find the same is funished to me. if it is available

> on net than where to search it

> thanking you sir

> with regards

> shujata

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002

> wrote:

> Friends,

> I wish to bring to the attention of my fellow

> Lalkitabists something that has

> confused many LalKitab enthusiasts. Just at the

> begining of each Lal Kitab, it is

> mentioned that whatever the ascendant is, should be

> converted to Aries. As a result,

> many folks are ( I have seen this happen numerous

> number of times and with due apologies to those who

> know) confused. They think that whatever planet " was

> placed " in Aries will also move to the first house.

> No. That is not true.

> Let me illustrate this with a sample horoscope.

> (Sorry

> can't draw the diagram of a horoscope) made using

> the principles of classical Vedic

> astrology:

>

> Lagna: Sign Libra(7) Planet: SATURN

> (House number 1, Lagna)

> Sign Scorpio(8) Planets:

> MARS and KETU (House number 2)

> Sign Saggitarius(9) Planet:

> JUPITER (House number 3)

> Sign Capricorn(10) no planet

> (House number 4)

> Sign Aquarius(11) no planet

> (House number 5)

> Sign Pisces(12) no planet

> (House number 6)

> Sign ARIES(1) no planet

> (House number 7)

> Sign Taurus(2) Planet: RAHU

> (House number 8)

> Sign Cancer(3) no planet

> (House number 9)

> Sign Leo(4) no planet

> (House number 10)

> Sign Virgo (5) Planets: SUN

> and MERCURY (House number 11)

> Sign Libra (6) Planets:

> MOON and VENUS (House number 12)

>

> This is our " classical " janma kundali based on

> regular Indian astrology.

>

> Lal Kitab says that in order to judge this horoscope

> on Lal Kitab basis, you should " wipe off " the number

> " 7 " from the Lagna and replace it with " 1 " - Aries

> but DONOT change the position of the planets. In

> other words, Saturn will still stay in house number

> (Khana number 1, Lagna but instead of the original

> sign Libra, it will be Aries) and Mars and Ketu will

> still stay in Khana number 2 though the

> Rashi number (8) will be replaced by the number 2.

> In error, some folks have been

> replacing Aries in Lagna but then they move Rahu to

> the second house in the horoscope (because it is in

> the Taurus Rashi) and Sun and Mercury to the fifth

> house in the horoscope, and so on.

> Actually, you DO NOT have to (and I recommend that

> you do not) switch the Rashis as prescribed. The

> reason that the author prescribed it in that manner

> was simply to remove the confusion of considering

> the " Lord of the Lagna is in the fifth house etc. "

> the principles that govern the classical astrology.

> When I analyze a horoscope on Lal Kitab methodolgy

> (that's the only one I know, anyways) it does NOT

> matter to me whether the rising sign in ascendent is

> Aries or Cancer or Libra. I simply see which planet

> is in the first house, is it " asleep " or " awake " , is

> it exalted, is it debilitated, (based on " naik

> haalat " or " mandi haalat) and then make a decision

> by asking questions.

> So the above horoscope will be analysed as follows:

> 1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number " 1 " - I don't

> care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something

> else.

> 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care

> about scorpio or Taurus.

> 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.

> 4. Rahu in Khaana number 8.

> 5. Sun and Mercury in khaana number 11. It doesn't

> bother me that Sun is in Virgo or Aquarius.

> 6. Moon and Venus in khaana number 12.

> When you start mixing Lal Kitab and the classical

> astrology, then you start making errors.

>

> I think that is why Pt Roop Chand ji recommended the

> " blanket " rule - change

> everything to Aries lagna WITHOUT moving the planets

> and then see the phalaadesh based on Lal Kitab. Now,

> it may seem very strange to those who are not

> initiated into LalKitab methodology to have this

> type of mindset. But with due apologies to the

> purists, this Lal Kitab system works extremely well.

>

> I invite your comments. (I say that every time, but

> I don't hear anything in return.)

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

>

>

>

>

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Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:39 PM

Re: [lalkitab] General confusion regarding Aries Lagna

 

 

> i use to see one freind mr sharma and he used to apply

> lal kitab rule by asking some house items or a well in

> the middle of house and than say your horoscope is

> right

> do you think it is valid reason per lal kitab

> i have one hand wriiten copy i did not find

> this rulein my copy.mr shrma in jullunder died 20 yr

> ago

> so i cant ask this to him

> rajinder

> i think

> --- rama krishna <malladi20022002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:Dear

> > Shujata,

> > mr shrma

> > Please go through old e-mails on this group. You can

> > find it at home page of this group at

> > lalkitab/

> >

> > We have already discussed all this.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > --- shu shu <shu_62 wrote:

> > >

> > > shri bhatia ji namastey

> > > by way of becoming the member of club of

> > > lal-kitab ii have become eager to know about the

> > > lal-kitab. now i desire to read all in detail of

> > the

> > > lal-kitab from a to z.

> > > therefore it will be help for me if the name of

> > any

> > > book along with its auther with adress where i can

> > > find the same is funished to me. if it is

> > available

> > > on net than where to search it

> > > thanking you sir

> > > with regards

> > > shujata

> > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002

> > > wrote:

> > > Friends,

> > > I wish to bring to the attention of my fellow

> > > Lalkitabists something that has

> > > confused many LalKitab enthusiasts. Just at the

> > > begining of each Lal Kitab, it is

> > > mentioned that whatever the ascendant is, should

> > be

> > > converted to Aries. As a result,

> > > many folks are ( I have seen this happen numerous

> > > number of times and with due apologies to those

> > who

> > > know) confused. They think that whatever planet

> > " was

> > > placed " in Aries will also move to the first

> > house.

> > > No. That is not true.

> > > Let me illustrate this with a sample horoscope.

> > > (Sorry

> > > can't draw the diagram of a horoscope) made using

> > > the principles of classical Vedic

> > > astrology:

> > >

> > > Lagna: Sign Libra(7) Planet:

> > SATURN

> > > (House number 1, Lagna)

> > > Sign Scorpio(8) Planets:

> > > MARS and KETU (House number 2)

> > > Sign Saggitarius(9) Planet:

> > > JUPITER (House number 3)

> > > Sign Capricorn(10) no planet

> > > (House number 4)

> > > Sign Aquarius(11) no planet

> > > (House number 5)

> > > Sign Pisces(12) no planet

> > > (House number 6)

> > > Sign ARIES(1) no planet

> > > (House number 7)

> > > Sign Taurus(2) Planet:

> > RAHU

> > > (House number 8)

> > > Sign Cancer(3) no planet

> > > (House number 9)

> > > Sign Leo(4) no planet

> > > (House number 10)

> > > Sign Virgo (5) Planets:

> > SUN

> > > and MERCURY (House number 11)

> > > Sign Libra (6) Planets:

> > > MOON and VENUS (House number 12)

> > >

> > > This is our " classical " janma kundali based on

> > > regular Indian astrology.

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab says that in order to judge this

> > horoscope

> > > on Lal Kitab basis, you should " wipe off " the

> > number

> > > " 7 " from the Lagna and replace it with " 1 " - Aries

> > > but DONOT change the position of the planets. In

> > > other words, Saturn will still stay in house

> > number

> > > (Khana number 1, Lagna but instead of the original

> > > sign Libra, it will be Aries) and Mars and Ketu

> > will

> > > still stay in Khana number 2 though the

> > > Rashi number (8) will be replaced by the number 2.

> > > In error, some folks have been

> > > replacing Aries in Lagna but then they move Rahu

> > to

> > > the second house in the horoscope (because it is

> > in

> > > the Taurus Rashi) and Sun and Mercury to the fifth

> > > house in the horoscope, and so on.

> > > Actually, you DO NOT have to (and I recommend that

> > > you do not) switch the Rashis as prescribed. The

> > > reason that the author prescribed it in that

> > manner

> > > was simply to remove the confusion of considering

> > > the " Lord of the Lagna is in the fifth house etc. "

> > > the principles that govern the classical

> > astrology.

> > > When I analyze a horoscope on Lal Kitab methodolgy

> > > (that's the only one I know, anyways) it does NOT

> > > matter to me whether the rising sign in ascendent

> > is

> > > Aries or Cancer or Libra. I simply see which

> > planet

> > > is in the first house, is it " asleep " or " awake " ,

> > is

> > > it exalted, is it debilitated, (based on " naik

> > > haalat " or " mandi haalat) and then make a decision

> > > by asking questions.

> > > So the above horoscope will be analysed as

> > follows:

> > > 1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number " 1 " - I

> > don't

> > > care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something

> > > else.

> > > 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care

> > > about scorpio or Taurus.

> > > 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.

> > > 4. Rahu in Khaana number 8.

> > > 5. Sun and Mercury in khaana number 11. It

> > doesn't

> > > bother me that Sun is in Virgo or Aquarius.

> > > 6. Moon and Venus in khaana number 12.

> > > When you start mixing Lal Kitab and the classical

> > > astrology, then you start making errors.

> > >

> > > I think that is why Pt Roop Chand ji recommended

> > the

> > > " blanket " rule - change

> > > everything to Aries lagna WITHOUT moving the

> > planets

> > > and then see the phalaadesh based on Lal Kitab.

> > Now,

> > > it may seem very strange to those who are not

> > > initiated into LalKitab methodology to have this

> > > type of mindset. But with due apologies to the

> > > purists, this Lal Kitab system works extremely

> > well.

> > >

> > > I invite your comments. (I say that every time,

> > but

> > > I don't hear anything in return.)

> > > Rajinder Bhatia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and

> > > more

> > >

[Guest guest]

Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:

Dear Shujata,Please go through old e-mails on this group. You canfind it at home page of this group atlalkitab/We have already discussed all this.Regards,Punit Pandey--- shu shu <shu_62 wrote:> > shri bhatia ji namastey> by way of becoming the member of club of> lal-kitab ii have become eager to know about the> lal-kitab. now i desire to read all in detail of the> lal-kitab from a to z.> therefore it will be help for me if the name of any> book along with its auther with adress where i can> find the same is funished to me. if it is available> on net than where to search it > thanking you sir> with regards > shujata> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Friends,> I wish to bring to the attention of my fellow> Lalkitabists something that has > confused many LalKitab enthusiasts. Just at the> begining of each Lal Kitab, it is> mentioned that whatever the ascendant is, should be> converted to Aries. As a result,> many folks are ( I have seen this happen numerous> number of times and with due apologies to those who> know) confused. They think that whatever planet "was> placed" in Aries will also move to the first house.> No. That is not true. > Let me illustrate this with a sample horoscope.> (Sorry > can't draw the diagram of a horoscope) made using> the principles of classical Vedic > astrology:> > Lagna: Sign Libra(7) Planet: SATURN > (House number 1, Lagna)> Sign Scorpio(8) Planets:> MARS and KETU (House number 2)> Sign Saggitarius(9) Planet:> JUPITER (House number 3)> Sign Capricorn(10) no planet> (House number 4)> Sign Aquarius(11) no planet> (House number 5)> Sign Pisces(12) no planet> (House number 6)> Sign ARIES(1) no planet> (House number 7)> Sign Taurus(2) Planet: RAHU> (House number 8)> Sign Cancer(3) no planet> (House number 9)> Sign Leo(4) no planet> (House number 10)> Sign Virgo (5) Planets: SUN> and MERCURY (House number 11)> Sign Libra (6) Planets:> MOON and VENUS (House number 12)> > This is our "classical" janma kundali based on> regular Indian astrology.> > Lal Kitab says that in order to judge this horoscope> on Lal Kitab basis, you should "wipe off" the number> "7" from the Lagna and replace it with "1" - Aries> but DONOT change the position of the planets. In> other words, Saturn will still stay in house number> (Khana number 1, Lagna but instead of the original> sign Libra, it will be Aries) and Mars and Ketu will> still stay in Khana number 2 though the> Rashi number (8) will be replaced by the number 2.> In error, some folks have been > replacing Aries in Lagna but then they move Rahu to> the second house in the horoscope (because it is in> the Taurus Rashi) and Sun and Mercury to the fifth> house in the horoscope, and so on. > Actually, you DO NOT have to (and I recommend that> you do not) switch the Rashis as prescribed. The> reason that the author prescribed it in that manner> was simply to remove the confusion of considering> the "Lord of the Lagna is in the fifth house etc."> the principles that govern the classical astrology.> When I analyze a horoscope on Lal Kitab methodolgy> (that's the only one I know, anyways) it does NOT> matter to me whether the rising sign in ascendent is> Aries or Cancer or Libra. I simply see which planet> is in the first house, is it "asleep" or "awake", is> it exalted, is it debilitated, (based on "naik> haalat" or "mandi haalat) and then make a decision> by asking questions. > So the above horoscope will be analysed as follows: > 1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number "1" - I don't> care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something> else.> 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care> about scorpio or Taurus.> 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.> 4. Rahu in Khaana number 8. > 5. Sun and Mercury in khaana number 11. It doesn't> bother me that Sun is in Virgo or Aquarius.> 6. Moon and Venus in khaana number 12. > When you start mixing Lal Kitab and the classical> astrology, then you start making errors. > > I think that is why Pt Roop Chand ji recommended the> "blanket" rule - change> everything to Aries lagna WITHOUT moving the planets> and then see the phalaadesh based on Lal Kitab. Now,> it may seem very strange to those who are not> initiated into LalKitab methodology to have this> type of mindset. But with due apologies to the> purists, this Lal Kitab system works extremely well.> > I invite your comments. (I say that every time, but> I don't hear anything in return.) > Rajinder Bhatia> > > > > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and> more >

[Guest guest]

i use to see one freind mr sharma and he used to apply

lal kitab rule by asking some house items or a well in

the middle of house and than say your horoscope is

right

do you think it is valid reason per lal kitab

i have one hand wriiten copy i did not find

this rulein my copy.mr shrma in jullunder died 20 yr

ago

so i cant ask this to him

rajinder

i think

--- rama krishna <malladi20022002 wrote:

>

>

> Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:Dear

> Shujata,

> mr shrma

> Please go through old e-mails on this group. You can

> find it at home page of this group at

> lalkitab/

>

> We have already discussed all this.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> --- shu shu <shu_62 wrote:

> >

> > shri bhatia ji namastey

> > by way of becoming the member of club of

> > lal-kitab ii have become eager to know about the

> > lal-kitab. now i desire to read all in detail of

> the

> > lal-kitab from a to z.

> > therefore it will be help for me if the name of

> any

> > book along with its auther with adress where i can

> > find the same is funished to me. if it is

> available

> > on net than where to search it

> > thanking you sir

> > with regards

> > shujata

> > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002

> > wrote:

> > Friends,

> > I wish to bring to the attention of my fellow

> > Lalkitabists something that has

> > confused many LalKitab enthusiasts. Just at the

> > begining of each Lal Kitab, it is

> > mentioned that whatever the ascendant is, should

> be

> > converted to Aries. As a result,

> > many folks are ( I have seen this happen numerous

> > number of times and with due apologies to those

> who

> > know) confused. They think that whatever planet

> " was

> > placed " in Aries will also move to the first

> house.

> > No. That is not true.

> > Let me illustrate this with a sample horoscope.

> > (Sorry

> > can't draw the diagram of a horoscope) made using

> > the principles of classical Vedic

> > astrology:

> >

> > Lagna: Sign Libra(7) Planet:

> SATURN

> > (House number 1, Lagna)

> > Sign Scorpio(8) Planets:

> > MARS and KETU (House number 2)

> > Sign Saggitarius(9) Planet:

> > JUPITER (House number 3)

> > Sign Capricorn(10) no planet

> > (House number 4)

> > Sign Aquarius(11) no planet

> > (House number 5)

> > Sign Pisces(12) no planet

> > (House number 6)

> > Sign ARIES(1) no planet

> > (House number 7)

> > Sign Taurus(2) Planet:

> RAHU

> > (House number 8)

> > Sign Cancer(3) no planet

> > (House number 9)

> > Sign Leo(4) no planet

> > (House number 10)

> > Sign Virgo (5) Planets:

> SUN

> > and MERCURY (House number 11)

> > Sign Libra (6) Planets:

> > MOON and VENUS (House number 12)

> >

> > This is our " classical " janma kundali based on

> > regular Indian astrology.

> >

> > Lal Kitab says that in order to judge this

> horoscope

> > on Lal Kitab basis, you should " wipe off " the

> number

> > " 7 " from the Lagna and replace it with " 1 " - Aries

> > but DONOT change the position of the planets. In

> > other words, Saturn will still stay in house

> number

> > (Khana number 1, Lagna but instead of the original

> > sign Libra, it will be Aries) and Mars and Ketu

> will

> > still stay in Khana number 2 though the

> > Rashi number (8) will be replaced by the number 2.

> > In error, some folks have been

> > replacing Aries in Lagna but then they move Rahu

> to

> > the second house in the horoscope (because it is

> in

> > the Taurus Rashi) and Sun and Mercury to the fifth

> > house in the horoscope, and so on.

> > Actually, you DO NOT have to (and I recommend that

> > you do not) switch the Rashis as prescribed. The

> > reason that the author prescribed it in that

> manner

> > was simply to remove the confusion of considering

> > the " Lord of the Lagna is in the fifth house etc. "

> > the principles that govern the classical

> astrology.

> > When I analyze a horoscope on Lal Kitab methodolgy

> > (that's the only one I know, anyways) it does NOT

> > matter to me whether the rising sign in ascendent

> is

> > Aries or Cancer or Libra. I simply see which

> planet

> > is in the first house, is it " asleep " or " awake " ,

> is

> > it exalted, is it debilitated, (based on " naik

> > haalat " or " mandi haalat) and then make a decision

> > by asking questions.

> > So the above horoscope will be analysed as

> follows:

> > 1. Saturn in the Lagna, Khaana number " 1 " - I

> don't

> > care about the sign - Libra or Aries or something

> > else.

> > 2. Mars and Ketu in khaana number 2. I don't care

> > about scorpio or Taurus.

> > 3. Jupiter in the third house; khaana number 3.

> > 4. Rahu in Khaana number 8.

> > 5. Sun and Mercury in khaana number 11. It

> doesn't

> > bother me that Sun is in Virgo or Aquarius.

> > 6. Moon and Venus in khaana number 12.

> > When you start mixing Lal Kitab and the classical

> > astrology, then you start making errors.

> >

> > I think that is why Pt Roop Chand ji recommended

> the

> > " blanket " rule - change

> > everything to Aries lagna WITHOUT moving the

> planets

> > and then see the phalaadesh based on Lal Kitab.

> Now,

> > it may seem very strange to those who are not

> > initiated into LalKitab methodology to have this

> > type of mindset. But with due apologies to the

> > purists, this Lal Kitab system works extremely

> well.

> >

> > I invite your comments. (I say that every time,

> but

> > I don't hear anything in return.)

> > Rajinder Bhatia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and

> > more

> >