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January 22, 2003

Hello Friends,

It is very good news for this forum that Mr. Virender

Joshi has joined this group. I also welcome him.

Again, it is a great news that he is going to develop

a website on this subject in near future. I hope that

website will serve as one stop source of all Lal Kitab

learning needs.

As far as my request regarding books and resources, I

myself start first. I know following books available -

1. Arun Samhita (Hindi)

2. Lal Kitab - Prishthabhoomi aur vyakhaya (Hindi &

English) by Pt. Kirishna Ashant

3. Probably - Lal Kitab ke Totke aur yoga by Pt.

Dhanvantari

There are lots of books on Lal Kitab based remedies

but none of them helps in understanding true spirit of

Lal Kitab.

Hope other friends will come forward and let us know

books and resources available with them.

Thanks and Regards,

Punit

--- " Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 "

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> I wish to extend a very warm welcome to Mr. Virender

> Joshi

> (VJOSHI2000) to this forum. He recently joined upon

> my invitation.

>

> Virender is the son of Pt Som Dutt Joshi and the

> grandson of Pt Roop

> Chand Joshi, the originator-cum-author of the Lal

> Kitab system. He is

> a software engineer and resides in suburban Toronto,

> Canada. Virender

> is currently learning astrology from his father and

> is also working

> on making a LalKitab related web site.

>

> Welcome, Virender. We expect to hear your opinion

> about various Lal

> Kitab related topics and issues.

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

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January 23, 2003

dear friends,

could any one kindly provide an authentic

source or address i.e. publishers or a bookstore in

delhi,where both these titles-1]arun samhita and 2]lal

kitab-by pt.krishna ashant can be procured.

thanks.

--- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:

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Hello Friends,

It is very good news for this forum that Mr.

Virender

Joshi has joined this group. I also welcome him.

Again, it is a great news that he is going to

develop

a website on this subject in near future. I hope

that

website will serve as one stop source of all Lal

Kitab

learning needs.

As far as my request regarding books and resources,

I

myself start first. I know following books available

-

1. Arun Samhita (Hindi)

2. Lal Kitab - Prishthabhoomi aur vyakhaya (Hindi

& amp;

English) by Pt. Kirishna Ashant

3. Probably - Lal Kitab ke Totke aur yoga by Pt.

Dhanvantari

There are lots of books on Lal Kitab based

remedies

but none of them helps in understanding true spirit

of

Lal Kitab.

Hope other friends will come forward and let us

know

books and resources available with them.

Thanks and Regards,

Punit

--- & quot;Rajinder Bhatia

& lt;rajinderbhatia2002 & gt; & quot;

& lt;rajinderbhatia2002 & gt; wrote:

& gt;

& gt; Friends,

& gt;

& gt; I wish to extend a very warm welcome to Mr.

Virender

& gt; Joshi

& gt; (VJOSHI2000) to this forum. He recently joined

upon

& gt; my invitation.

& gt;

& gt; Virender is the son of Pt Som Dutt Joshi and

the

& gt; grandson of Pt Roop

& gt; Chand Joshi, the originator-cum-author of the

Lal

& gt; Kitab system. He is

& gt; a software engineer and resides in suburban

Toronto,

& gt; Canada. Virender

& gt; is currently learning astrology from his father

and

& gt; is also working

& gt; on making a LalKitab related web site.

& gt;

& gt; Welcome, Virender. We expect to hear your

opinion

& gt; about various Lal

& gt; Kitab related topics and issues.

& gt;

& gt; Rajinder Bhatia

& gt;

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January 24, 2003

The following book is available at a Online

Shopping web site, i just came across while

browsing through. Please find the details

below.

Astrology & Remedies Of Lal Kitab

Saxena Dp ISBN EBK0017341

List Price Rs. 80.00

The book is available at the below mentioned

web site. You could search by providing the

key word LAL KITAB in the Search box.

http://www.fabmall.com/stores/Books/BooksHome.asp?affid={D27C0C75-5FBE-4FB0-AD88\

-B6A595A5CE2A}

Regards

S.Rathana Prasad

--- POONAM SHARMA <ganpati_1 wrote: >

dear friends,

> could any one kindly provide an authentic

> source or address i.e. publishers or a bookstore in

> delhi,where both these titles-1]arun samhita and

> 2]lal

> kitab-by pt.krishna ashant can be procured.

> thanks.

>

> --- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:

> <HR>

> <html><body>

>

> <tt>

> Hello Friends,

>

> It is very good news for this forum that Mr.

> Virender

> Joshi has joined this group. I also welcome him.

> Again, it is a great news that he is going to

> develop

> a website on this subject in near future. I hope

> that

> website will serve as one stop source of all Lal

> Kitab

> learning needs.

>

> As far as my request regarding books and resources,

> I

> myself start first. I know following books available

> -

> 1. Arun Samhita (Hindi)

> 2. Lal Kitab - Prishthabhoomi aur vyakhaya (Hindi

> & amp;

> English) by Pt. Kirishna Ashant

> 3. Probably - Lal Kitab ke Totke aur yoga by Pt.

> Dhanvantari

> There are lots of books on Lal Kitab based

> remedies

> but none of them helps in understanding true spirit

> of

> Lal Kitab.

>

> Hope other friends will come forward and let us

> know

> books and resources available with them.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

>

> Punit

>

> --- & quot;Rajinder Bhatia

> & lt;rajinderbhatia2002 & gt; & quot;

> & lt;rajinderbhatia2002 & gt; wrote:

> & gt;

> & gt; Friends,

> & gt;

> & gt; I wish to extend a very warm welcome to Mr.

> Virender

> & gt; Joshi

> & gt; (VJOSHI2000) to this forum. He recently joined

> upon

> & gt; my invitation.

> & gt;

> & gt; Virender is the son of Pt Som Dutt Joshi and

> the

> & gt; grandson of Pt Roop

> & gt; Chand Joshi, the originator-cum-author of the

> Lal

> & gt; Kitab system. He is

> & gt; a software engineer and resides in suburban

> Toronto,

> & gt; Canada. Virender

> & gt; is currently learning astrology from his father

> and

> & gt; is also working

> & gt; on making a LalKitab related web site.

> & gt;

> & gt; Welcome, Virender. We expect to hear your

> opinion

> & gt; about various Lal

> & gt; Kitab related topics and issues.

> & gt;

> & gt; Rajinder Bhatia

> & gt;

>

>

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January 24, 2003

Hello Ms. Poonam & other Friends,

In Delhi, you can find these and few more books on Lal

Kitab at Mr. Goyal's store. The address is -

K.K. Goyal & Co.

214, Dariba Kalan, Delhi - 6.

Ph: 23253604

[beware that Mr. Goyal is very good salesman and can

sell all books to you

Also tell him my name; I have to adjust some of his

commission for my astrological software :)

]

Regards,

Punit Pandey

www.astrocamp.com

" Solutions for Scientific Astrologers "

--- POONAM SHARMA <ganpati_1 wrote:

> dear friends,

> could any one kindly provide an authentic

> source or address i.e. publishers or a bookstore in

> delhi,where both these titles-1]arun samhita and

> 2]lal

> kitab-by pt.krishna ashant can be procured.

> thanks.

>

> --- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:

> <HR>

> <html><body>

>

> <tt>

> Hello Friends,

>

> It is very good news for this forum that Mr.

> Virender

> Joshi has joined this group. I also welcome him.

> Again, it is a great news that he is going to

> develop

> a website on this subject in near future. I hope

> that

> website will serve as one stop source of all Lal

> Kitab

> learning needs.

>

> As far as my request regarding books and resources,

> I

> myself start first. I know following books available

> -

> 1. Arun Samhita (Hindi)

> 2. Lal Kitab - Prishthabhoomi aur vyakhaya (Hindi

> & amp;

> English) by Pt. Kirishna Ashant

> 3. Probably - Lal Kitab ke Totke aur yoga by Pt.

> Dhanvantari

> There are lots of books on Lal Kitab based

> remedies

> but none of them helps in understanding true spirit

> of

> Lal Kitab.

>

> Hope other friends will come forward and let us

> know

> books and resources available with them.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

>

> Punit

>

> --- & quot;Rajinder Bhatia

> & lt;rajinderbhatia2002 & gt; & quot;

> & lt;rajinderbhatia2002 & gt; wrote:

> & gt;

> & gt; Friends,

> & gt;

> & gt; I wish to extend a very warm welcome to Mr.

> Virender

> & gt; Joshi

> & gt; (VJOSHI2000) to this forum. He recently joined

> upon

> & gt; my invitation.

> & gt;

> & gt; Virender is the son of Pt Som Dutt Joshi and

> the

> & gt; grandson of Pt Roop

> & gt; Chand Joshi, the originator-cum-author of the

> Lal

> & gt; Kitab system. He is

> & gt; a software engineer and resides in suburban

> Toronto,

> & gt; Canada. Virender

> & gt; is currently learning astrology from his father

> and

> & gt; is also working

> & gt; on making a LalKitab related web site.

> & gt;

> & gt; Welcome, Virender. We expect to hear your

> opinion

> & gt; about various Lal

> & gt; Kitab related topics and issues.

> & gt;

> & gt; Rajinder Bhatia

> & gt;

>

>

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January 24, 2003

Friends,

Based on popular demand, I reproduce reviews of various Lal Kitab

based books that are available in the market place. I know that the

reviews sound somewhat harsh but the fact remains that most of these

people have their own ax to grind.

I look forward to your comments.

Incidentally, these books are available not only from Mr Goyal as

mentioned by Mr Pandey but you can also get them at various places on

Nai Sarak - Ratan and Company, Dehati Pustak Bhandar and Ranjan

Publications in Darya Ganj (Ranjan Pubs are into astrology books) But

as Mr Pandey so rightly forewarned you, be careful in what you buy.

Look at a few pages, read a couple of paragraphs at random and see if

these make sense. Otherwise, the shopkeepers will give you much more

than what you want (at a price to be paid by you.)

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

Pt Ashant's book, " Lal Kitab Jyotish – Prishtbhoomi and Vyakhya.

**********************************************************************

Many years ago, Pt Krishan Ashant (now a self styled, " Jyotish

Samraat " and " Daivaigya Maharshi Lal Kitab " ) co-authored a chapter

in a book titled " Saat Musaafir " with the famous Amrita Preetam in

which both of them showered choicest praise on Pt Roop Chand Joshi,

the creator of Lal Kitab system, and rightfully so. Pt Joshi deserves

all the praise and much more. However, on becoming an independent Lal

Kitab author, and conferring self-congratulatory titles to himself,

Pt Ashant has changed his tune. In the book under review, he has made

ludicrous and illogical claims about the origins of Lal Kitab and Pt

Joshi. The book starts off with putting Pt Joshi down based on a

meeting with a former disgruntled neighbor and disciple of Pt Joshi.

The motive behind this criticism seems to be self-serving. Pt Ashant

wishes to project his own self as the greatest source of Lal Kitab

knowledge.

In any event, Pt Ashant, though starts very enthusiastically, wastes

many precious pages trying to explain the background of Lal Kitab

system, but his power of exposition fizzles out miserably. Similarly,

his attempt to explain the rationale behind remedial measures

(upayas) of Lal Kitab does not succeed in convincing the reader. Many

important topics from the original books have been ignored. These

will perhaps be used as material for his forthcoming books. Numerous

chapters, like other Lal Kitab " help books " , have been faithfully

copied from Lal Kitabs, verbatim, no explanation offered. We would

have expected for the " Lal Kitab Maharshi " to do a little better than

that. To the dismay of a novice reader, the author does not address

the topic of how best to use Lal Kitab method for analyzing a

horoscope. Pt Roop Chand's examples could have been unabashedly

copied for the benefit of the readers (like many other Lal

Kitab " experts " have done.) If you hoped that Pt Ashant, an

accomplished writer and a philosopher, would explain the verses from

Lal Kitab, (the toughest part of Lal Kitab) you are in for

disappointment.

Despite all the criticism, this is not a bad book to have in your

library. The book has hardly any typographic errors. Though benefic

and malefic effects have been intertwined, yet one can get a fairly

detailed description of each planet in each house. Ashant has given

numerous remedial measures of his own making, which in our opinion

could be somewhat risky. In the absence of the genuine Lal Kitab,

this would be an acceptable substitute. It is better than whatever

else is available in the market place today.

NOTE:

Pt Ashant has been churning out books like Lagna Darshan (in multiple

parts) I am not impressed at all because there is a little bit of Lal

Kitab and rest is mostly " khichRi " and hodgepodge mixture of all

kinds which will not help you in learning astrology. It will make Pt

Ashant rich, no doubt.

LAL KITAB By KISAN LAL SHARMA – Publishers: Manoj Pocket Books, Delhi

This book is somewhat on the same lines as the previously reviewed

book. While discussing the origin of Lal Kitab, however, he comes up

with a bizarre theory; we wouldn't want to waste our time describing

that here. Pt Sharma, like all others, has reproduced all the Lal

Kitab tables faithfully. He perhaps does not understand the

significance of these tables, therefore no explanation is offered.

Strangely enough, he offers the same examples that Pt Ashant does. I

wonder who stole whose thunder.

Planetary effects in each house have been discussed in brief. He

seems to drift away from the actual Lal Kitab based phalaadesh

(planetary effect) and mixes it up with other schools of thought.

There are far more remedial measures in this book than in any other

book of its kind. And he recommends these en masse. Most of these

remedial measures seem to be the figments of Pt Sharma's imagination.

Be forewarned; you perform these at your own risk. For example, he

suggests that when Venus is in the twelfth house, a ghee diyaa should

be lit in the house everyday. May be he is right. However, if one's

Mercury is debilitated, then this is going to start a new set of

problems (Mercury related.)

You can buy this book as long as you know when to perform which

remedial measure.

BOOKS TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS

Lal Kitab in Two Parts by Swami Keshavanand Published by Sadhna

Pocket Books, Delhi-7

This could have been a true copy in Hindi, of the 1952 Lal Kitab.

However, the book has so many errors and omissions that it is

unreadable, inaccurate and makes no sense at all. The fault lies with

the publishers who took no pains to proofread the material.

Therefore, stay away from this book. In reality, this is an

unauthorized reproduction of the transliteration that Pt Chandra

Shekhar Vaid of Ambala City had done for his personal purpose. He let

a few of his friends who were interested in learning Lal Kitab, copy

the Hindi transliteration. At places, Pt Vaid had inserted his own

comments and explanations in his notes, and this Keshavanand edition

has faithfully reproduced these also. However, he claims to have

brought it from the Himalayas. Ridiculous. Stay away from this.

ARUN PUBLICATIONS

He claims that Arun, the chariot driver of Ravan while leaving Lanka,

brought Lal Kitab with him (and perhaps handed it over to " Dr Arun " .)

They have published at least three of the Lal Kitab transliterations

and every single one of them is worse then the other. Sentences are

missing, words are misspelled so that the meanings have changed.

Various illustrations, specifically to do with palmistry have been

either not shown or, if they are shown at all, then these are

thoroughly amateurishly drawn (as if a seven year old baby drew

these.) And unabashedly, they claim to be doing " ..more research and

attempting to bring forth the knowledge " . Translated, this means as

soon as we are able to transliterate, we will bring it to you in such

a hurry that we won't even care to proofread the book.

Take a look at any of the Arun Sanhita books, read a paragraph and

you will agree with me. Stay away from this peace of garbage.

OTHER LAL KITAB KE TOTAKAY TYPE BOOKS:

The name alone tells you how much respect these people have for Lal

Kitab. They are in to make a quick buck or two by trivializing the

vast and complex subject of Lal Kitab into a table of few upayas (or

ToTakaa.) You will not learn Lal Kitab jyotish from these books. And

the remedial measures, God help you with that part. Our advice: Stay

away, regardless of how low priced these books are.

January 25, 2003

Hello Friends,

It is great that I received response from Mr. Bhatia.

I hope that I will get more responses from other

learned/learning astrologers of this group. It is very

important to know what books and resources are

available otherwise everyone has to start from

scratch. Thanks once again to Mr. Bhatia.

But I think that Mr. Bhatia's review of books will

make Lal Kitab student more confusing. It is not clear

that what books should one buy? What are beginner,

intermediate and advanced resources available? How to

start learning this great system of astrology? Knowing

it is very important to create some basis of

discussion. I request all my friends to come forward

and tell us regarding this. I request Mr. Bhatia and

other learned member of this group to write a guide

map for learning Lal Kitab, if possible.

Thanks & regards,

Punit Pandey

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