Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Dear Narasimha, Thank you for JH73, the best Christmas gift, indeed! Are you sure you are from this world, Narasimha? I've never met anybody like yourself in my entire /long/ life. I have a problem understanding the logic behind Parashara's charakaraka sheme applied in JH73. In most cases when 7 karakas are applicable, MK and PK are represented in one planet. That I understand. -However I came across some charts where one planet stands for both AmK and PK, or AK and PK- I am not getting this, please clarify. - This consistently appears in KarakaDasa, as well, where One planet presents one karaka on Maha Dasa level /AmK/, and the same planet appears in AntarD. as PK! ETC... I wish I knew why that happens, which criteria have been applied. -I am just curious to learn the process, how you figured out antard. calculation method. -One more Q, please! Re 22nd and 64th drekkana. The later is clear. But with 22nd d. we have 3 options- which one do you use? If more than one, how do you decide 'when'-'which' -And, your ayanamsa choice is Modified Lahiri /Chitra at 180/, right? Thank you Narasimha. Happy Holidays to you, Padmaja, children, Family, may health and joy follow you where you go. Respectfully, Anna Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 my date of bearth is 15-1-1973 at 5:50 a.m. arrah(bihar) and i am suffering from very critical situation . what should i do?--- On Sun, 12/7/08, SAR108 <bonamente108 wrote: SAR108 <bonamente108Re: Re: JH73 and 7or8 charakarasjhora Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:21 AM Dear Narasimha, Thank you for JH73, the best Christmas gift, indeed! Are you sure you are from this world, Narasimha? I've never met anybody like yourself in my entire /long/ life. I have a problem understanding the logic behind Parashara's charakaraka sheme applied in JH73. In most cases when 7 karakas are applicable, MK and PK are represented in one planet. That I understand. -However I came across some charts where one planet stands for both AmK and PK, or AK and PK- I am not getting this, please clarify. - This consistently appears in KarakaDasa, as well, where One planet presents one karaka on Maha Dasa level /AmK/, and the same planet appears in AntarD. as PK! ETC... I wish I knew why that happens, which criteria have been applied. -I am just curious to learn the process, how you figured out antard. calculation method. -One more Q, please! Re 22nd and 64th drekkana. The later is clear. But with 22nd d. we have 3 options- which one do you use? If more than one, how do you decide 'when'-'which' -And, your ayanamsa choice is Modified Lahiri /Chitra at 180/, right? Thank you Narasimha. Happy Holidays to you, Padmaja, children, Family, may health and joy follow you where you go. Respectfully, Anna Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Dear Narasimha, You totally clarified all the issues I've had- thanks! Big work is ahead of me, so many features have to be tested. I understand now the reason why AmK, Ak, etc can become PK as well. I am not quite sold on this, though. I need your word still, please. Although rationally acceptable, I feel intuitively like there is some 'lesser faire' factor there, I am not comfortable with. Well, most planets may hold some other portfolios, while being shtira karakas, that means any karaka can be PK as well. While/or because/ that opens vast amount of theoretical explanations/possibilities, it feels a litle extravagant... With 'aha' excitement as well, for sure. Despite the fact that small sample of examples I've gone through makes pretty good sense. Now let me share one of real-life examples, with all the Listers- Lady's AmK and PK are the same-Me, shtira AmK and PK. Her status and status of her children are remarkably connected. I would say, by knowing her, that they share 'the same destiny'/experiences on THAT level! How does this elaboration sound to you?Or AK and Putra Karaka- the same flair about 'both'? If I wanted to extend this further, I might say the person's 'core' destiny personally, corresponds to that of his child. /Too much?/ Can you sense my anxiety? I am not an inventor, I am just the user of concepts, knowledge coming from you, and I try to avoid any overstretching, free interpretations, etc- this is the main issue for me, in fact. Before you give me a 'green light' to proceed on this, I will abstain from playing with /theoretical/ possible consequences of these new concepts. I've spent too much energy and time undoing and replacing wrong knowledge already- don't we all? Regards, Anna S.A.R. bonamente108 416-531-0656--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: JH73 and 7or8 charakarasjhora Received: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 8:32 AM Namaste, I am cc'ing it to other Jyotish lists because there is a useful point below on 22nd drekkana. Q1: When two planets are in the same degree, one planet misses out on a cabinet portfolio and that portfolio goes to the corresponding sthira karaka. That sthira karaka may have another portfolio already. That is why you may sometimes see AmK becoming PK also, etc. Q2: Antardasa calculation in Karaka dasa was not mentioned by Parasara. I experimented 4 possibilities and found this working well. This is an experimental deduction and could be wrong. But mahadasas were clearly defined by Parasara. Q3: I don't use 22nd drekkana that much. But, in my limited experience, 22nd drekkana based on the Jagannatha drekkana chart seems to be the best to see suffering and death. Actually, I suggest taking the 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from lagna as well as from *Moon*. Though JHora does not give from Moon, it is easy to calculate manually. Actually, you can also select "Edit" in main menu, then "user defined special point" and define a special point that is 210 deg ahead of Moon. See the position of that special point in D-3 (Jagannatha) . That way, you can find the 22nd Jagannatha drekkana lord from Moon. For example, Indira Gandhi's 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon is in Aries. She died in Mars-Mars dasa as per dwisaptati sama dasa. JFKennedy's 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon is in Sagittarius. He died in Jupiter mahadasa as per vimsottari dasa and Jupiter antardasa as per sataabdika dasa. Like this, 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon seems to be significant just as the one from lagna. Ronald Reagan's 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon is in Leo. He died in the antardasa of Sun. Though my experience with this has been limited, the correlations I found in limited studies seemed signifcant enough to me. I actually found the 22nd Jagannatha drekkana lord from Moon to be more useful than that from lagna. Q4: Actually, I recommend Modified Lahiri with Chitra fixed at 180 deg AND using the fixed Vishnunabhi plane. Unfortunately, as I mentioned on JHora list earlier, I messed it up and introduced a bug when finalizing the user interface in the software. I will fix it soon. This time, I will first release the update on jhora and release it publicly after some initial testing by jhora members. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - SAR108 jhora Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:21 AM Re: Re: JH73 and 7or8 charakaras Dear Narasimha, Thank you for JH73, the best Christmas gift, indeed! Are you sure you are from this world, Narasimha? I've never met anybody like yourself in my entire /long/ life. I have a problem understanding the logic behind Parashara's charakaraka sheme applied in JH73. In most cases when 7 karakas are applicable, MK and PK are represented in one planet. That I understand. -However I came across some charts where one planet stands for both AmK and PK, or AK and PK- I am not getting this, please clarify. - This consistently appears in KarakaDasa, as well, where One planet presents one karaka on Maha Dasa level /AmK/, and the same planet appears in AntarD. as PK! ETC... I wish I knew why that happens, which criteria have been applied. -I am just curious to learn the process, how you figured out antard. calculation method. -One more Q, please! Re 22nd and 64th drekkana. The later is clear. But with 22nd d. we have 3 options- which one do you use? If more than one, how do you decide 'when'-'which' -And, your ayanamsa choice is Modified Lahiri /Chitra at 180/, right? Thank you Narasimha. Happy Holidays to you, Padmaja, children, Family, may health and joy follow you where you go. Respectfully, Anna Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! 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Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 ....Sorry, forgot to mention one conclussion If One planet represents two karakas, then the amount of time /dasas/ is doubled- if that planet happens to be positive in rashi, that hugely improves the life of an individual /or opposite/ and some Qs: -Can we say that the planet which loses portfolio becomes less pronounced in life of a person, since it doesn't occupy any amount of time/dasas/? -When that /looser/ planet's Vimsottary D. /or any other for that matter/ comes will it have less personal impact than it would have had? -Will the natural significance of that planet and it's qualities work more as a 'general atmosphere' in it's dasas, since it's not included in person-specific charakaraka sheme? Thanks! Anna-- On Sun, 12/7/08, SAR108 <bonamente108 wrote: SAR108 <bonamente108Re: Re: JH73 and 7or8 charakarasjhora Received: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:48 PM Dear Narasimha, You totally clarified all the issues I've had- thanks! Big work is ahead of me, so many features have to be tested. I understand now the reason why AmK, Ak, etc can become PK as well. I am not quite sold on this, though. I need your word still, please. Although rationally acceptable, I feel intuitively like there is some 'lesser faire' factor there, I am not comfortable with. Well, most planets may hold some other portfolios, while being shtira karakas, that means any karaka can be PK as well. While/or because/ that opens vast amount of theoretical explanations/ possibilities, it feels a litle extravagant. .. With 'aha' excitement as well, for sure. Despite the fact that small sample of examples I've gone through makes pretty good sense. Now let me share one of real-life examples, with all the Listers- Lady's AmK and PK are the same-Me, shtira AmK and PK. Her status and status of her children are remarkably connected. I would say, by knowing her, that they share 'the same destiny'/experience s on THAT level! How does this elaboration sound to you?Or AK and Putra Karaka- the same flair about 'both'? If I wanted to extend this further, I might say the person's 'core' destiny personally, corresponds to that of his child. /Too much?/ Can you sense my anxiety? I am not an inventor, I am just the user of concepts, knowledge coming from you, and I try to avoid any overstretching, free interpretations, etc- this is the main issue for me, in fact. Before you give me a 'green light' to proceed on this, I will abstain from playing with /theoretical/ possible consequences of these new concepts. I've spent too much energy and time undoing and replacing wrong knowledge already- don't we all? Regards, Anna S.A.R. bonamente108@ 416-531-0656--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: JH73 and 7or8 charakarasjhora Received: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 8:32 AM Namaste, I am cc'ing it to other Jyotish lists because there is a useful point below on 22nd drekkana. Q1: When two planets are in the same degree, one planet misses out on a cabinet portfolio and that portfolio goes to the corresponding sthira karaka. That sthira karaka may have another portfolio already. That is why you may sometimes see AmK becoming PK also, etc. Q2: Antardasa calculation in Karaka dasa was not mentioned by Parasara. I experimented 4 possibilities and found this working well. This is an experimental deduction and could be wrong. But mahadasas were clearly defined by Parasara. Q3: I don't use 22nd drekkana that much. But, in my limited experience, 22nd drekkana based on the Jagannatha drekkana chart seems to be the best to see suffering and death. Actually, I suggest taking the 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from lagna as well as from *Moon*. Though JHora does not give from Moon, it is easy to calculate manually. Actually, you can also select "Edit" in main menu, then "user defined special point" and define a special point that is 210 deg ahead of Moon. See the position of that special point in D-3 (Jagannatha) . That way, you can find the 22nd Jagannatha drekkana lord from Moon. For example, Indira Gandhi's 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon is in Aries. She died in Mars-Mars dasa as per dwisaptati sama dasa. JFKennedy's 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon is in Sagittarius. He died in Jupiter mahadasa as per vimsottari dasa and Jupiter antardasa as per sataabdika dasa. Like this, 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon seems to be significant just as the one from lagna. Ronald Reagan's 22nd Jagannatha drekkana from Moon is in Leo. He died in the antardasa of Sun. Though my experience with this has been limited, the correlations I found in limited studies seemed signifcant enough to me. I actually found the 22nd Jagannatha drekkana lord from Moon to be more useful than that from lagna. Q4: Actually, I recommend Modified Lahiri with Chitra fixed at 180 deg AND using the fixed Vishnunabhi plane. Unfortunately, as I mentioned on JHora list earlier, I messed it up and introduced a bug when finalizing the user interface in the software. I will fix it soon. This time, I will first release the update on jhora and release it publicly after some initial testing by jhora members. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - SAR108 jhora Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:21 AM Re: Re: JH73 and 7or8 charakaras Dear Narasimha, Thank you for JH73, the best Christmas gift, indeed! Are you sure you are from this world, Narasimha? I've never met anybody like yourself in my entire /long/ life. I have a problem understanding the logic behind Parashara's charakaraka sheme applied in JH73. In most cases when 7 karakas are applicable, MK and PK are represented in one planet. That I understand. -However I came across some charts where one planet stands for both AmK and PK, or AK and PK- I am not getting this, please clarify. - This consistently appears in KarakaDasa, as well, where One planet presents one karaka on Maha Dasa level /AmK/, and the same planet appears in AntarD. as PK! ETC... I wish I knew why that happens, which criteria have been applied. -I am just curious to learn the process, how you figured out antard. calculation method. -One more Q, please! Re 22nd and 64th drekkana. The later is clear. But with 22nd d. we have 3 options- which one do you use? If more than one, how do you decide 'when'-'which' -And, your ayanamsa choice is Modified Lahiri /Chitra at 180/, right? Thank you Narasimha. Happy Holidays to you, Padmaja, children, Family, may health and joy follow you where you go. Respectfully, Anna Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! 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