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Hi Respected Members,

 

How to read Bhava chart from JHORA ( 7.0). In the basic info section

in the 'HOUSES' tab when I right click I do see many options- which

one should I be choosing? Which is correct? Also why is the first

option called True Vedic(rasi = Bhava).If I take this to be true

literally then what is the significance of a Bhava Chart in vedic

astrology?

 

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Suchitra

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Thank you very much for your enlightment

 

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Bhava Chart

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:26 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

I have never spoken about Bhava Charts

or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in

this forum,so as not to confuse the members,

here who are totally into traditional astrology

and Natal Chart analysis.

 

But for those members who do follow Bhava

charts, I would like to make it clear,

that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change

Bhava, but the sign does not change,

for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart,

Saturn in the Natal Chart, is

in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves

to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart,

BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA.

The signs where the original planets

are placed at time of Birth, do not change,

only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava

means house results. Therefore

Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give

the 7th houses results, but as regards to

quality of the results, the quality of Saturn

placed in Pisces would remain.

 

Make this very clear, before any of you

attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart.

 

Ant attempts without study done, would

mean wrong application of Astrological

principles.

 

This is my last word on Bhava Charts,

unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rajeev,

 

You raised a question in earlier mail (see below) regarding the possible

(different) interpretation based on a person's cultural background.

 

You Wrote:

///One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1

month " ,

The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

month " ... Why?!!///

 

The following answer was given to you:

//Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced

astrologers do keep this in mind.//

 

You have not, as yet, acknowledged whether or not you have understood

this answer?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 23, 2008 3:41 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Chart

 

 

Dear Rajeev,

 

///Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in

my life

and some more,

I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to

drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the

line.///

 

No doubt this tendency would be evident in your horoscope.

 

///Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher.

(no

dis-regard implied)///

 

I consider my Guru to be a true saint and feel privileged to be able to

study his chart. It is, for me, a true blessing! And of course, his chart

is viewed in accord with his elevated spiritual persona.

 

///One example:

One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

month " ... Why?!!///

 

Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced

astrologers do keep this in mind.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" RajeevM " <rajeevmundra

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Chart

 

 

Dear Madam

 

Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my

life

and some more,

I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to

drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line.

 

Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no

dis-regard implied)

People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating

once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great

historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and

Krishna.

 

 

A few lines to the non-astrologer:

Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every

human weakness. (again no dis-regard)

So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont

forget to ask yourself.

If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be

edited, then it would be better not having known it.

 

Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and

that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story

books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone

by

his actions.

 

One example:

One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

month " ... Why?!!

 

Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious

person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!!

 

A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable

determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to

believe

in the later.

 

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

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Dear Madam

 

I am grateful that you have kept my discussions in mind and have spent time

to confirm understanding.

 

In earlier email, I myself wrote the same point which you said in reply.

 

One example:

One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

month " ... Why?

 

Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts *(desh, kal, time, .....?,

......?)*and god willing a tenacious

person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.

 

A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable

determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe

in the later,

and though editing may be difficult,

the only idea of having an stomach operation done is to make stomach better

and same for astrology.

Know what is in store and make it better. Again my biased views.

 

I feel that, Astrology is a very subjective analysis tool, but an astrologer

at some point will try to make objective deductions.

The point at which that happens is heavily shaped by the qualities etc of

the astrologer.

 

I continue to favor, astrology as directional map only.

Absolute determination and resignation to fate sounds not so logical, when

looked at from various other theories presented in various books. Others

have also also commented on various type of prarabdha, editable and non

editable.

 

The recent email from Aniket was what I also wanted to say.

We classify and give color and shape and location to god as per ones

conditioning, path and beliefs, while god himself may not have any

attributes which is definable in human language, thoughts or emotions.

No more emails on this who and what is god theme. :-)

 

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

 

 

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

wrote:

 

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> You raised a question in earlier mail (see below) regarding the possible

> (different) interpretation based on a person's cultural background.

>

> You Wrote:

> ///One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1

> month " ,

> The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

> month " ... Why?!!///

>

> The following answer was given to you:

> //Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced

> astrologers do keep this in mind.//

>

> You have not, as yet, acknowledged whether or not you have understood

> this answer?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya<jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com>

> >

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Monday, June 23, 2008 3:41 PM

> Re: Re: Bhava Chart

>

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> ///Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in

> my life

> and some more,

> I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to

> drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the

> line.///

>

> No doubt this tendency would be evident in your horoscope.

>

> ///Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher.

> (no

> dis-regard implied)///

>

> I consider my Guru to be a true saint and feel privileged to be able to

> study his chart. It is, for me, a true blessing! And of course, his chart

> is viewed in accord with his elevated spiritual persona.

>

> ///One example:

> One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

> The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

> month " ... Why?!!///

>

> Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced

> astrologers do keep this in mind.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

> -

> " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>>

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM

> Re: Re: Bhava Chart

>

> Dear Madam

>

> Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my

> life

> and some more,

> I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to

> drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line.

>

> Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no

> dis-regard implied)

> People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating

> once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great

> historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and

> Krishna.

>

> A few lines to the non-astrologer:

> Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every

> human weakness. (again no dis-regard)

> So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont

> forget to ask yourself.

> If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be

> edited, then it would be better not having known it.

>

> Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and

> that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story

> books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone

> by

> his actions.

>

> One example:

> One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

> The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

> month " ... Why?!!

>

> Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious

> person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!!

>

> A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable

> determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to

> believe

> in the later.

>

> Om Namah Shivay

> Rajeev

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Rajeev

 

//I am grateful that you have kept my discussions in mind and have spent

time

to confirm understanding.//

 

I keep all discussions in mind!

 

In your original post you wrote this:

//Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a

tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!!//

 

Now you've changed it to:

///Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts *(desh, kal, time,

......?,

......?)*and god willing a tenacious

person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.///

 

See original post (23/6) below...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

-

" RajeevM " <rajeevmundra

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:06 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Chart

 

 

Dear Madam

 

I am grateful that you have kept my discussions in mind and have spent

time

to confirm understanding.

 

In earlier email, I myself wrote the same point which you said in reply.

 

One example:

One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

month " ... Why?

 

Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts *(desh, kal, time, .....?,

......?)*and god willing a tenacious

person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.

 

A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable

determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to

believe

in the later,

and though editing may be difficult,

the only idea of having an stomach operation done is to make stomach

better

and same for astrology.

Know what is in store and make it better. Again my biased views.

 

I feel that, Astrology is a very subjective analysis tool, but an

astrologer

at some point will try to make objective deductions.

The point at which that happens is heavily shaped by the qualities etc of

the astrologer.

 

I continue to favor, astrology as directional map only.

Absolute determination and resignation to fate sounds not so logical,

when

looked at from various other theories presented in various books. Others

have also also commented on various type of prarabdha, editable and non

editable.

 

The recent email from Aniket was what I also wanted to say.

We classify and give color and shape and location to god as per ones

conditioning, path and beliefs, while god himself may not have any

attributes which is definable in human language, thoughts or emotions.

No more emails on this who and what is god theme. :-)

 

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

 

-

" RajeevM " <rajeevmundra

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Chart

 

 

Dear Madam

 

Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my

life

and some more,

I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to

drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line.

 

Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no

dis-regard implied)

People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating

once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great

historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and

Krishna.

 

 

A few lines to the non-astrologer:

Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every

human weakness. (again no dis-regard)

So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont

forget to ask yourself.

If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be

edited, then it would be better not having known it.

 

Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and

that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story

books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone

by

his actions.

 

One example:

One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " ,

The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1

month " ... Why?!!

 

Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious

person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!!

 

A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable

determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to

believe

in the later.

 

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

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