Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Hi Respected Members, How to read Bhava chart from JHORA ( 7.0). In the basic info section in the 'HOUSES' tab when I right click I do see many options- which one should I be choosing? Which is correct? Also why is the first option called True Vedic(rasi = Bhava).If I take this to be true literally then what is the significance of a Bhava Chart in vedic astrology? Regards Suchitra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Thank you very much for your enlightment --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Bhava Chart jyotish-vidya Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:26 PM Dear friends, I have never spoken about Bhava Charts or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in this forum,so as not to confuse the members, here who are totally into traditional astrology and Natal Chart analysis. But for those members who do follow Bhava charts, I would like to make it clear, that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change Bhava, but the sign does not change, for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, Saturn in the Natal Chart, is in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. The signs where the original planets are placed at time of Birth, do not change, only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava means house results. Therefore Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give the 7th houses results, but as regards to quality of the results, the quality of Saturn placed in Pisces would remain. Make this very clear, before any of you attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. Ant attempts without study done, would mean wrong application of Astrological principles. This is my last word on Bhava Charts, unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Rajeev, You raised a question in earlier mail (see below) regarding the possible (different) interpretation based on a person's cultural background. You Wrote: ///One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!!/// The following answer was given to you: //Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced astrologers do keep this in mind.// You have not, as yet, acknowledged whether or not you have understood this answer? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:41 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Rajeev, ///Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line./// No doubt this tendency would be evident in your horoscope. ///Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied)/// I consider my Guru to be a true saint and feel privileged to be able to study his chart. It is, for me, a true blessing! And of course, his chart is viewed in accord with his elevated spiritual persona. ///One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!!/// Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced astrologers do keep this in mind. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Madam Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied) People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and Krishna. A few lines to the non-astrologer: Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every human weakness. (again no dis-regard) So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont forget to ask yourself. If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be edited, then it would be better not having known it. Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone by his actions. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!! Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Madam I am grateful that you have kept my discussions in mind and have spent time to confirm understanding. In earlier email, I myself wrote the same point which you said in reply. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why? Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts *(desh, kal, time, .....?, ......?)*and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself. A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later, and though editing may be difficult, the only idea of having an stomach operation done is to make stomach better and same for astrology. Know what is in store and make it better. Again my biased views. I feel that, Astrology is a very subjective analysis tool, but an astrologer at some point will try to make objective deductions. The point at which that happens is heavily shaped by the qualities etc of the astrologer. I continue to favor, astrology as directional map only. Absolute determination and resignation to fate sounds not so logical, when looked at from various other theories presented in various books. Others have also also commented on various type of prarabdha, editable and non editable. The recent email from Aniket was what I also wanted to say. We classify and give color and shape and location to god as per ones conditioning, path and beliefs, while god himself may not have any attributes which is definable in human language, thoughts or emotions. No more emails on this who and what is god theme. :-) Om Namah Shivay Rajeev On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Rajeev, > > You raised a question in earlier mail (see below) regarding the possible > (different) interpretation based on a person's cultural background. > > You Wrote: > ///One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 > month " , > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 > month " ... Why?!!/// > > The following answer was given to you: > //Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced > astrologers do keep this in mind.// > > You have not, as yet, acknowledged whether or not you have understood > this answer? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya<jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:41 PM > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > Dear Rajeev, > > ///Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in > my life > and some more, > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the > line./// > > No doubt this tendency would be evident in your horoscope. > > ///Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. > (no > dis-regard implied)/// > > I consider my Guru to be a true saint and feel privileged to be able to > study his chart. It is, for me, a true blessing! And of course, his chart > is viewed in accord with his elevated spiritual persona. > > ///One example: > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 > month " ... Why?!!/// > > Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced > astrologers do keep this in mind. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > Dear Madam > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my > life > and some more, > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no > dis-regard implied) > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and > Krishna. > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont > forget to ask yourself. > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone > by > his actions. > > One example: > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 > month " ... Why?!! > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to > believe > in the later. > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Rajeev //I am grateful that you have kept my discussions in mind and have spent time to confirm understanding.// I keep all discussions in mind! In your original post you wrote this: //Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!!// Now you've changed it to: ///Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts *(desh, kal, time, ......?, ......?)*and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself./// See original post (23/6) below... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:06 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Madam I am grateful that you have kept my discussions in mind and have spent time to confirm understanding. In earlier email, I myself wrote the same point which you said in reply. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why? Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts *(desh, kal, time, .....?, ......?)*and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself. A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later, and though editing may be difficult, the only idea of having an stomach operation done is to make stomach better and same for astrology. Know what is in store and make it better. Again my biased views. I feel that, Astrology is a very subjective analysis tool, but an astrologer at some point will try to make objective deductions. The point at which that happens is heavily shaped by the qualities etc of the astrologer. I continue to favor, astrology as directional map only. Absolute determination and resignation to fate sounds not so logical, when looked at from various other theories presented in various books. Others have also also commented on various type of prarabdha, editable and non editable. The recent email from Aniket was what I also wanted to say. We classify and give color and shape and location to god as per ones conditioning, path and beliefs, while god himself may not have any attributes which is definable in human language, thoughts or emotions. No more emails on this who and what is god theme. :-) Om Namah Shivay Rajeev - " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Madam Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied) People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and Krishna. A few lines to the non-astrologer: Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every human weakness. (again no dis-regard) So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont forget to ask yourself. If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be edited, then it would be better not having known it. Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone by his actions. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!! Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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