Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Everyone, Please stop engaging Shiv without a decision having been made. I personally like to see a nice man like him make some money, but that's a secondary consideration. Let those in charge of SJVC make a decision first. Software piracy is tough to counter. Even if a CD has a serial number/password, what will prevent one from sharing the number along with the CD with all his friends? Hardware keys were popular once, but not any more. Latest soft security advances rely on OS support which we cannot depend on. Goravani Jyotish has the tightest soft security system I have seen, but it is too intrusive and inconvenient to sincere customers. It will create problems for some users in countries with frequent power cuts, as they may have to re-install the software frequently. I'll think over this issue. Regarding the last point on profits: Software is not a necessity. It is a luxury. I talked to Sanjay about this in the past. What you said about service etc does not apply to luxuries. If I am teaching a student, I am satisfying his " necessity " (knowledge is a necessity for a worthy student). If I am giving a reading to a client, I am giving him " comfort " . But, if I am giving someone software, I am giving him a " luxury " . Everyone is entitled to a necessity, but only the rich are entitled to a luxury. When teaching or offering readings, try to keep profit out of your mind. But, when offering a luxury like software, don't ignore profit. If I had written software for somebody else, I would've been paid a lot of money per hour. And, I spent countless hours on this software. This was a very time-consuming project. Yet, I don't want any money in return. It's not because I want to give a luxury freely or cheaply to everyone (and hurt other vendors in turn which is just wrong), but because I want SJVC to get a lot of money and not me. SJVC needs a lot of money for its activities and some people are bearing the expenses from their pockets. This software can generate a lot of money. If SJVC plans to sell this software for " break-even " , that means my effort is wasted. SJVC should maximize the profits from this. Let us discuss this after I get a chance to speak with Sanjay and others in charge of SJVC-USA. Best regards, Narasimha PS: I will need somebody with experience in InstallShield scripts to create the script for generating the CD image. Is there a volunteer with this experience? --- Frank in Austin <fschmidt wrote: > Dear Vijay, > points well made... > 1. I am not overly concerned about " tight " security, > but that's me... I > will assume the people we will deal with > that study Jyotish are more satvic in nature and > will comply. > The others that get hold of the program will not > have a clue on what to > do with this... so the level of security in my > humble estimation needs to be good, but not great ( > we're not Microsoft) > 2. Shiv - may infact want to make the CD's for us - > JIT manufacturing!!! > We buy the CD ROM device to copy > 5 or 10 at a time and he produces the CD's from > a master image. > Shiv should get compensated for this. > 3. Cost for shipping and other points of > distribution should be minimal, > and are passed on to the customer. > 4. Regarding money and profitability.... I speak for > myself here, but I > am of the belief this project is to get > great software out to those that will use the > tool to learn, help, > and move the science of light forward. > Therefore a " break even " money scenario is > desired. Profit is > something that I am not considering, nor > planning for... but again, that's me. > I work with Jyotish and learn Jyotish to move > sattva forward, and do > not care to pursue profits from it > other than the " gain " of knowledge. > My daytime job is all about profitability and > money; I choose not to > pursue this interest on my own time. > IN any case, what ever we do , lets do the best > quality job we can do, > with the highest level of integrity we > can... only good can come from this, and I think the > world will benefit > from it. > ! Shanti, Shanti Shanti > Frank in Austin > , <Fschmidt > Fschmidt > > > > > > Narayan rao PVKL - CTD, Chennai. > [pvklnrao] > > Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 PM > 'jhora ' > RE: jHora shipment > > > Dear Frank, > For security, serial number and password work only > if they are unique to > the machine. > For example, if the serial ID and password are > created with out > considering on which machine jHora is installed, > same serial number and > password can be used on any damn machine. i.e. Once, > one buys the > software and gets serial number/password, he can > install the same on any > number of PCs (even though it is breaching the > liscence agreement). > > So, the serial number/password should be unique to > the PC. So, for > installing on two different PCs, one will have two > different > Serialnumber/password. > > I do agree that Shiv is the most reliable person, > but then we need one > more person who can make the CDs and send them to > Shiv. Considering this > postage cost > (each time, some CDs are sent to Shiv, some postage > has to be spent), > and then Shiv will post them back to US. So, there > is wastage of > significant amount in cross posting. This is why I > was looking for > alternatives. > > On the otherhand, if some one at Delhi can make the > CDs, then Shiv will > be the BEST choice and we do not need to look for > alternatives. > > Basically, what I am looking for is: > 1. Actual cost for making the CD > 2. Actual cost for shipping > 3. Processing charges (taken for Credit card etc). > > The total of the above 3 costs should be as small as > possible so that we > get maximum gain :-) > 4. The reliability of the destributor and network. > In this area, Shiv is as good as any one else :-) > (Network, we need not > bother too much, as we can advertise for it in many > ways). > Best regards)Vijay > pvklnrao > > > Frank in Austin > [fschmidt] > Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:04 AM > jhora > RE: jHora shipment > > > Namaste, > Some things that you mention below can be planned > for: > 1. Manual should be on CD... updates to the manual > can be at a URL. > 2. Shiv , in my opinion , is someone you can trust. > that alone is worth > working with him. > CD's can be inventoryed for the first 3 > months...then on demand. > 3. Security - can be accomplsihed by a serial number > and password if > Narasimha wants to do this. > > > Narayan rao PVKL - CTD, Chennai. > [pvklnrao] > > Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:46 AM > Jhora (E-mail) > jHora shipment > > > Dear brother, > Is it compulsory to ship a printed manual along with > the CD? Can not it > be included in CD in electronic form? > > If we market jHora through Shiv; > 1. Who creates the CDs and who gets the user manual > printed (if > necessary). > 2. Then they have to send all the copies of CDs and > manuals to Shiv > 3. Shiv gets the request from customers and sends > them the CDs and > manuals packaged. > Instead if we can arrange some one local (to Shiv) > doing CD creation and > manual printing, it will be cheaper and faster. > > Some time back, I saw one web site which " makes CDs > and sells " for us. > All we have to do is to submit our binary CD image > to it once. > (by CD). And quote our price. They will make a CD > and cell when some one > requests online and sends us the balance (exempting > their charges) once > in a month. I can not recollect the site, > unfortunately. > > There are lot of other sites which sell CDs if we > send them CDs (5 at a > time). How ever, the site I saw also makes the CDs > on its own. > > How do we tackle piracy? (Suppose one person buys > jHora and gives the CD > away to some other for free - even as this is > illegal, > it is reality :-) > > Ideally, if CD is created only after the request > comes, we can tackle it > easily. We can ask the customer to give their > machine ID and use as a > serial number. But, it is a problem for us: > 1. We need to generate the binary image again and > again. > 2. If a customer want to install the program on two > machines and ready > to pay for it, we have to give him two CDs which is > need less. > > Another way is: > 1. Give the same binary image to all (by CD). > === message truncated === Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Dear Narasimha, I had used Install Shield 5 years back. To use again maybe i will have a slight learning curve, but i'll be able to it. But I do not have Install shield software with me re-learn and create the scripts. Is there a way I can get a copy of the software?. I would be happy to help you in anyway i can. Regards S.Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Narasimha, Das Goravani had sent me a CD of his software and this had to be installed about 3 times. Then I just gave up. India has too many power cuts, computer crashes and what not all. Look at it like this. If someone is going to use it without license, that is his Karma. We have two options: Path of Guru - Give it away. If it is good many shall benefit, especially this will help thousands who cannot dream of a software for jyotish. [Do consider a lite version or a demo version for FREE distribution at least.] Path of Sani - Not even one shall use this without paying. [Comments - Better not have the software as the basic purpose is NOT BUSINESS.] I can go on, but you need to draw a line somewhere and trust someone. I prefer that you trust MANPREET SINGH GAMBHIR. His mobile No is 91-9811103104. Talk to him. He is a computer programmer and software expert from IIT like you. He is good with these machines and can handle all this. Best WishesSanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao jhora Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:49 AM RE: jHora shipment Everyone, Please stop engaging Shiv without a decision havingbeen made. I personally like to see a nice man like him make somemoney, but that's a secondary consideration. Let thosein charge of SJVC make a decision first. Software piracy is tough to counter. Even if a CD hasa serial number/password, what will prevent one fromsharing the number along with the CD with all hisfriends? Hardware keys were popular once, but not anymore. Latest soft security advances rely on OS supportwhich we cannot depend on. Goravani Jyotish has thetightest soft security system I have seen, but it istoo intrusive and inconvenient to sincere customers.It will create problems for some users in countrieswith frequent power cuts, as they may have tore-install the software frequently. I'll think overthis issue. Regarding the last point on profits: Software is not a necessity. It is a luxury. I talkedto Sanjay about this in the past. What you said aboutservice etc does not apply to luxuries. If I amteaching a student, I am satisfying his "necessity"(knowledge is a necessity for a worthy student). If Iam giving a reading to a client, I am giving him"comfort". But, if I am giving someone software, I amgiving him a "luxury". Everyone is entitled to anecessity, but only the rich are entitled to a luxury. When teaching or offering readings, try to keep profitout of your mind. But, when offering a luxury likesoftware, don't ignore profit. If I had written software for somebody else, Iwould've been paid a lot of money per hour. And, Ispent countless hours on this software. This was avery time-consuming project. Yet, I don't want anymoney in return. It's not because I want to give aluxury freely or cheaply to everyone (and hurt othervendors in turn which is just wrong), but because Iwant SJVC to get a lot of money and not me. SJVC needsa lot of money for its activities and some people arebearing the expenses from their pockets. This softwarecan generate a lot of money. If SJVC plans to sellthis software for "break-even", that means my effortis wasted. SJVC should maximize the profits from this. Let us discuss this after I get a chance to speak withSanjay and others in charge of SJVC-USA. Best regards,Narasimha PS: I will need somebody with experience inInstallShield scripts to create the script forgenerating the CD image. Is there a volunteer withthis experience? --- Frank in Austin <fschmidt wrote:> Dear Vijay,> points well made...> 1. I am not overly concerned about "tight" security,> but that's me... I> will assume the people we will deal with> that study Jyotish are more satvic in nature and> will comply.> The others that get hold of the program will not> have a clue on what to> do with this... so the level of security in my > humble estimation needs to be good, but not great (> we're not Microsoft)> 2. Shiv - may infact want to make the CD's for us -> JIT manufacturing!!!> We buy the CD ROM device to copy> 5 or 10 at a time and he produces the CD's from> a master image.> Shiv should get compensated for this.> 3. Cost for shipping and other points of> distribution should be minimal,> and are passed on to the customer.> 4. Regarding money and profitability.... I speak for> myself here, but I> am of the belief this project is to get> great software out to those that will use the> tool to learn, help,> and move the science of light forward.> Therefore a "break even" money scenario is> desired. Profit is> something that I am not considering, nor> planning for... but again, that's me.> I work with Jyotish and learn Jyotish to move> sattva forward, and do> not care to pursue profits from it> other than the "gain" of knowledge.> My daytime job is all about profitability and> money; I choose not to> pursue this interest on my own time.> IN any case, what ever we do , lets do the best> quality job we can do,> with the highest level of integrity we> can... only good can come from this, and I think the> world will benefit> from it.> ! Shanti, Shanti Shanti> Frank in Austin> , <Fschmidt> Fschmidt > > > > > Narayan rao PVKL - CTD, Chennai.> [pvklnrao]> > Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 PM> 'jhora '> RE: jHora shipment> > > Dear Frank,> For security, serial number and password work only> if they are unique to> the machine.> For example, if the serial ID and password are> created with out> considering on which machine jHora is installed,> same serial number and> password can be used on any damn machine. i.e. Once,> one buys the> software and gets serial number/password, he can> install the same on any> number of PCs (even though it is breaching the> liscence agreement).> > So, the serial number/password should be unique to> the PC. So, for> installing on two different PCs, one will have two> different> Serialnumber/password.> > I do agree that Shiv is the most reliable person,> but then we need one> more person who can make the CDs and send them to> Shiv. Considering this> postage cost> (each time, some CDs are sent to Shiv, some postage> has to be spent),> and then Shiv will post them back to US. So, there> is wastage of> significant amount in cross posting. This is why I> was looking for> alternatives.> > On the otherhand, if some one at Delhi can make the> CDs, then Shiv will> be the BEST choice and we do not need to look for> alternatives.> > Basically, what I am looking for is:> 1. Actual cost for making the CD> 2. Actual cost for shipping> 3. Processing charges (taken for Credit card etc).> > The total of the above 3 costs should be as small as> possible so that we> get maximum gain :-)> 4. The reliability of the destributor and network.> In this area, Shiv is as good as any one else :-)> (Network, we need not> bother too much, as we can advertise for it in many> ways).> Best regards)Vijay> pvklnrao > > Frank in Austin> [fschmidt]> Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:04 AM> jhora > RE: jHora shipment> > > Namaste,> Some things that you mention below can be planned> for:> 1. Manual should be on CD... updates to the manual> can be at a URL.> 2. Shiv , in my opinion , is someone you can trust.> that alone is worth> working with him.> CD's can be inventoryed for the first 3> months...then on demand.> 3. Security - can be accomplsihed by a serial number> and password if> Narasimha wants to do this.> > > Narayan rao PVKL - CTD, Chennai.> [pvklnrao]> > Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:46 AM> Jhora (E-mail)> jHora shipment> > > Dear brother,> Is it compulsory to ship a printed manual along with> the CD? Can not it> be included in CD in electronic form?> > If we market jHora through Shiv;> 1. Who creates the CDs and who gets the user manual> printed (if> necessary).> 2. Then they have to send all the copies of CDs and> manuals to Shiv> 3. Shiv gets the request from customers and sends> them the CDs and> manuals packaged.> Instead if we can arrange some one local (to Shiv)> doing CD creation and> manual printing, it will be cheaper and faster.> > Some time back, I saw one web site which "makes CDs> and sells" for us.> All we have to do is to submit our binary CD image> to it once.> (by CD). And quote our price. They will make a CD> and cell when some one> requests online and sends us the balance (exempting> their charges) once> in a month. I can not recollect the site,> unfortunately.> > There are lot of other sites which sell CDs if we> send them CDs (5 at a> time). How ever, the site I saw also makes the CDs> on its own.> > How do we tackle piracy? (Suppose one person buys> jHora and gives the CD> away to some other for free - even as this is> illegal,> it is reality :-)> > Ideally, if CD is created only after the request> comes, we can tackle it> easily. We can ask the customer to give their> machine ID and use as a> serial number. But, it is a problem for us:> 1. We need to generate the binary image again and> again.> 2. If a customer want to install the program on two> machines and ready> to pay for it, we have to give him two CDs which is> need less.> > Another way is:> 1. Give the same binary image to all (by CD).> === message truncated ===Make a great connection at Personals.http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 Dear Frank, > Namaste all, > The thread on this subject has been good and we are moving > forward....Sanjay captures several good points. > I too have Das' software and found it a bit unruly at times. This has > no reflection of Das. His intentions are admirable. Wat Sanjay's saying is that the extreme security Goravani has (you have to call him or email him when you set out to install and are asked for a password corresponding to a randomly generated number) causes great inconvenience to people in India (or any country where there frequent power cuts and hence re-installation of OS and other software is needed frequently). You probably did not go through what Sanjay did! Sanjay, definitely I won't do something so extreme. > re: Shiv - no additional contacts will be made until SJVC resolves this > ( again, Shiv responded to an email that started > a few weeks ago when his name was brought up during initial brain > storming of this project.) Somebody brought up Shiv's name, but there was no need to forward him the mail thread. Anyway, let us be more organized from now... > Last, I am of the firm belief that " well begun is half done " to this > project - yes, picking the right muhurta for starting points > are good, but we also must consider intent...... intent for advancement > of Sattva ( Brihaspaiti's blessings) will play an important > role. This I think is what Sanjay was trying to capture is his note. I am afraid you misunderstood Sanjay. What Sanjay below said is that there are two extreme paths and we should strike a balance. Originally, when I conceived this software, I wanted to write it and give it away freely. My natural instinct is to freely give away things. It was Sanjay who taught me that knowledge should be freely given, but a luxury like software must be sold. He taught me that it was not right to hurt other vendors who are validly making money selling Jyotish software and he told me that I should price it based on others. Because of my unwillingness to make money on Jyotish, I decided that SJVC will benefit and not me. So, despite the apparent difference of opinion, you and I are on the same boat! Profit will not be the only criterion (as I said, I will keep the rights with me and give JH freely to any deserving student who cannot afford it). But it should not ignored. Mind you, we are not talking about individual profits of you, me or SJVC directors. We are talking about the revenues that will sustain a non-profit organization. The money will be used solely to support SJVC. It is perfectly saattwik. Sanjay, we will have some minimal piracy resistance but not an elaborate one. Manpreet has been off the lists for a long time. I don't know him well enough to suddenly trouble him. So I will leave your tip. Sanjay, you said: " He is a computer programmer and software expert from IIT like you. " Actually, I want to clarify my expertise to remove false ideas. My expertise is in software related to digital audio, digital video, digital signal processing & telecom algorithms and all the software I write runs on so-called embedded platforms and low-level processors (DSPs). None of the software I have ever written in my formal jobs runs on PCs, let alone under Windows. Windows programming, visual C++, MFC, GUI (graphical user interface) were all totally new to me and drastically different from what I do for living. I had to learn all these things in private time to make JHora happen! If you remember the first version of narajyo (old name) I gave you in 1998/99, it was not really using Windows much and was a DOS program in spirit. The current JHora is far more sophisticated in GUI. > All of us have our opions on profit/loss and the yoga of money....It is > not my role to convience anyone on how to move > forward on this... I will assist where I can and yield to the author of > this program. Good. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > > ! Shanti, Shanti Shanti > Frank in Austin > , <Fschmidt@A...> Fschmidt@A... > > > Sanjay Rath [srath@v...] > Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:40 AM > jhora > Re: jHora shipment > > Om Gurave Namah > -------------------------- > Dear Narasimha, > > Das Goravani had sent me a CD of his software and this had to be > installed about 3 times. Then I just gave up. India has too many power > cuts, computer crashes and what not all. Look at it like this. If > someone is going to use it without license, that is his Karma. > We have two options: > Path of Guru - Give it away. If it is good many shall benefit, > especially this will help thousands who cannot dream of a software for > jyotish. [Do consider a lite version or a demo version for FREE > distribution at least.] > > Path of Sani - Not even one shall use this without paying. [Comments - > Better not have the software as the basic purpose is NOT BUSINESS.] > > I can go on, but you need to draw a line somewhere and trust someone. I > prefer that you trust MANPREET SINGH GAMBHIR. His mobile No is > 91-9811103104. Talk to him. He is a computer programmer and software > expert from IIT like you. He is good with these machines and can handle > all this. > > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 Namaste all, The thread on this subject has been good and we are moving forward....Sanjay captures several good points. I too have Das' software and found it a bit unruly at times. This has no reflection of Das. His intentions are admirable. re: Shiv - no additional contacts will be made until SJVC resolves this ( again, Shiv responded to an email that started a few weeks ago when his name was brought up during initial brain storming of this project.) Last, I am of the firm belief that "well begun is half done" to this project - yes, picking the right muhurta for starting points are good, but we also must consider intent...... intent for advancement of Sattva ( Brihaspaiti's blessings) will play an important role. This I think is what Sanjay was trying to capture is his note. All of us have our opions on profit/loss and the yoga of money....It is not my role to convience anyone on how to move forward on this... I will assist where I can and yield to the author of this program. ! Shanti, Shanti Shanti Frank in Austin , Fschmidt Sanjay Rath [srath] Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:40 AMjhora Subject: Re: jHora shipment Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Narasimha, Das Goravani had sent me a CD of his software and this had to be installed about 3 times. Then I just gave up. India has too many power cuts, computer crashes and what not all. Look at it like this. If someone is going to use it without license, that is his Karma. We have two options: Path of Guru - Give it away. If it is good many shall benefit, especially this will help thousands who cannot dream of a software for jyotish. [Do consider a lite version or a demo version for FREE distribution at least.] Path of Sani - Not even one shall use this without paying. [Comments - Better not have the software as the basic purpose is NOT BUSINESS.] I can go on, but you need to draw a line somewhere and trust someone. I prefer that you trust MANPREET SINGH GAMBHIR. His mobile No is 91-9811103104. Talk to him. He is a computer programmer and software expert from IIT like you. He is good with these machines and can handle all this. Best WishesSanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao jhora Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:49 AM RE: jHora shipment Everyone, Please stop engaging Shiv without a decision havingbeen made. I personally like to see a nice man like him make somemoney, but that's a secondary consideration. Let thosein charge of SJVC make a decision first. Software piracy is tough to counter. Even if a CD hasa serial number/password, what will prevent one fromsharing the number along with the CD with all hisfriends? Hardware keys were popular once, but not anymore. Latest soft security advances rely on OS supportwhich we cannot depend on. Goravani Jyotish has thetightest soft security system I have seen, but it istoo intrusive and inconvenient to sincere customers.It will create problems for some users in countrieswith frequent power cuts, as they may have tore-install the software frequently. I'll think overthis issue. Regarding the last point on profits: Software is not a necessity. It is a luxury. I talkedto Sanjay about this in the past. What you said aboutservice etc does not apply to luxuries. If I amteaching a student, I am satisfying his "necessity"(knowledge is a necessity for a worthy student). If Iam giving a reading to a client, I am giving him"comfort". But, if I am giving someone software, I amgiving him a "luxury". Everyone is entitled to anecessity, but only the rich are entitled to a luxury. When teaching or offering readings, try to keep profitout of your mind. But, when offering a luxury likesoftware, don't ignore profit. If I had written software for somebody else, Iwould've been paid a lot of money per hour. And, Ispent countless hours on this software. This was avery time-consuming project. Yet, I don't want anymoney in return. It's not because I want to give aluxury freely or cheaply to everyone (and hurt othervendors in turn which is just wrong), but because Iwant SJVC to get a lot of money and not me. SJVC needsa lot of money for its activities and some people arebearing the expenses from their pockets. This softwarecan generate a lot of money. If SJVC plans to sellthis software for "break-even", that means my effortis wasted. SJVC should maximize the profits from this. Let us discuss this after I get a chance to speak withSanjay and others in charge of SJVC-USA. Best regards,Narasimha PS: I will need somebody with experience inInstallShield scripts to create the script forgenerating the CD image. Is there a volunteer withthis experience? --- Frank in Austin <fschmidt wrote:> Dear Vijay,> points well made...> 1. I am not overly concerned about "tight" security,> but that's me... I> will assume the people we will deal with> that study Jyotish are more satvic in nature and> will comply.> The others that get hold of the program will not> have a clue on what to> do with this... so the level of security in my > humble estimation needs to be good, but not great (> we're not Microsoft)> 2. Shiv - may infact want to make the CD's for us -> JIT manufacturing!!!> We buy the CD ROM device to copy> 5 or 10 at a time and he produces the CD's from> a master image.> Shiv should get compensated for this.> 3. Cost for shipping and other points of> distribution should be minimal,> and are passed on to the customer.> 4. Regarding money and profitability.... I speak for> myself here, but I> am of the belief this project is to get> great software out to those that will use the> tool to learn, help,> and move the science of light forward.> Therefore a "break even" money scenario is> desired. Profit is> something that I am not considering, nor> planning for... but again, that's me.> I work with Jyotish and learn Jyotish to move> sattva forward, and do> not care to pursue profits from it> other than the "gain" of knowledge.> My daytime job is all about profitability and> money; I choose not to> pursue this interest on my own time.> IN any case, what ever we do , lets do the best> quality job we can do,> with the highest level of integrity we> can... only good can come from this, and I think the> world will benefit> from it.> ! Shanti, Shanti Shanti> Frank in Austin> , <Fschmidt> Fschmidt > > > > > Narayan rao PVKL - CTD, Chennai.> [pvklnrao]> > Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 PM> 'jhora '> RE: jHora shipment> > > Dear Frank,> For security, serial number and password work only> if they are unique to> the machine.> For example, if the serial ID and password are> created with out> considering on which machine jHora is installed,> same serial number and> password can be used on any damn machine. i.e. Once,> one buys the> software and gets serial number/password, he can> install the same on any> number of PCs (even though it is breaching the> liscence agreement).> > So, the serial number/password should be unique to> the PC. So, for> installing on two different PCs, one will have two> different> Serialnumber/password.> > I do agree that Shiv is the most reliable person,> but then we need one> more person who can make the CDs and send them to> Shiv. Considering this> postage cost> (each time, some CDs are sent to Shiv, some postage> has to be spent),> and then Shiv will post them back to US. So, there> is wastage of> significant amount in cross posting. This is why I> was looking for> alternatives.> > On the otherhand, if some one at Delhi can make the> CDs, then Shiv will> be the BEST choice and we do not need to look for> alternatives.> > Basically, what I am looking for is:> 1. Actual cost for making the CD> 2. Actual cost for shipping> 3. Processing charges (taken for Credit card etc).> > The total of the above 3 costs should be as small as> possible so that we> get maximum gain :-)> 4. The reliability of the destributor and network.> In this area, Shiv is as good as any one else :-)> (Network, we need not> bother too much, as we can advertise for it in many> ways).> Best regards)Vijay> pvklnrao > > Frank in Austin> [fschmidt]> Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:04 AM> jhora > RE: jHora shipment> > > Namaste,> Some things that you mention below can be planned> for:> 1. Manual should be on CD... updates to the manual> can be at a URL.> 2. Shiv , in my opinion , is someone you can trust.> that alone is worth> working with him.> CD's can be inventoryed for the first 3> months...then on demand.> 3. Security - can be accomplsihed by a serial number> and password if> Narasimha wants to do this.> > > Narayan rao PVKL - CTD, Chennai.> [pvklnrao]> > Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:46 AM> Jhora (E-mail)> jHora shipment> > > Dear brother,> Is it compulsory to ship a printed manual along with> the CD? Can not it> be included in CD in electronic form?> > If we market jHora through Shiv;> 1. Who creates the CDs and who gets the user manual> printed (if> necessary).> 2. Then they have to send all the copies of CDs and> manuals to Shiv> 3. Shiv gets the request from customers and sends> them the CDs and> manuals packaged.> Instead if we can arrange some one local (to Shiv)> doing CD creation and> manual printing, it will be cheaper and faster.> > Some time back, I saw one web site which "makes CDs> and sells" for us.> All we have to do is to submit our binary CD image> to it once.> (by CD). And quote our price. They will make a CD> and cell when some one> requests online and sends us the balance (exempting> their charges) once> in a month. I can not recollect the site,> unfortunately.> > There are lot of other sites which sell CDs if we> send them CDs (5 at a> time). How ever, the site I saw also makes the CDs> on its own.> > How do we tackle piracy? (Suppose one person buys> jHora and gives the CD> away to some other for free - even as this is> illegal,> it is reality :-)> > Ideally, if CD is created only after the request> comes, we can tackle it> easily. We can ask the customer to give their> machine ID and use as a> serial number. But, it is a problem for us:> 1. We need to generate the binary image again and> again.> 2. If a customer want to install the program on two> machines and ready> to pay for it, we have to give him two CDs which is> need less.> > Another way is:> 1. Give the same binary image to all (by CD).> === message truncated ===Make a great connection at Personals.http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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