Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram This anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: 1) He says: If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance! Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. 2) He says The planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on. How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. 3) He says: If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions only from incorrect data! Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4) He says: Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas? This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. 5) He says: Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era! Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. 6) He says: Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself? Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. 7) He says: As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose! I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8) He says: Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references. Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? 9) He says: There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. Jai Shri Ram Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_institute Cc: indian_astrology_group_daily_digest , hinducalendar , jyoltishgroup , " subash razdan " <subashrazdan Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Dear friends,Jai Shri RamThis anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one:1)He says:If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, "saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav" how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance!Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying.2)He saysThe planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on.How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him.3)He says:If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very "Vedic astrologers" including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, "Vedic jyotishis" like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that "Vedic jyotishis" can make correct predictions only from incorrect data!Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4)He says:Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge" that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called "divya varsha" of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas?This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man.5) He says:Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era!Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own "Hinducalendar forum", which ironically is against the Hindu calendar.6)He says:Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his "parkoshya knowledge" of having "seen" Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself?Shri Kaul with his "Zero knowledge" in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda.7)He says:As per Dr. Vartak's "most accurate calculations" the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since "Vedic astrologers" like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected "correct birth chart" (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose!I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know "to err is human" and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8)He says:Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references.Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself?9)He says:There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served.Jai Shri RamSunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:jyotirved <jyotirved[VRI] DDating the Ramayana Periodvedic_research_institute Cc: indian_astrology_group_daily_digest , hinducalendar , jyoltishgroup , "subash razdan" <subashrazdanSaturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_institute Cc: subashrazdan, , vedic astrology , indiaarchaeology , USBrahmins Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:38 PM Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram This anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: 1) He says: If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance! Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. 2) He says The planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on. How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. 3) He says: If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions only from incorrect data! Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4) He says: Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas? This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. 5) He says: Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era! Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. 6) He says: Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself? Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. 7) He says: As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose! I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8) He says: Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references. Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? 9) He says: There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. Jai Shri Ram Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com, hinducalendar@ . com, jyoltishgroup, " subash razdan " <subashrazdan@ > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Pranams Sunilji,Your family name is justified by your birth, for you are truly a " bhaTTa " and most definitely an " AchArya " . The sampuTIkaraNa with rAm-nAm that you have done in the email below is the most powerful facet of it. When parIkshit mahArAja was bitten by the serpent and he realized he had less than 7 days to live, he requested Suka gOswAmi to instruct him on the most important of all knowledge. The great SrI.Shuka muni expresses sAtvic anger and frustration at the people by saying : nidrayA hriyate naktam, vyavAyeNa ca va vayahdiva chArthehayA rAjan, kuTumba-BaraNena vAdehApatyakalatrAdishu Atmasainyeshu asatsvapiteshAm pramattO nidhanam, pashyann api na pashyati " These people waste their nights in sleep, or spend their youth in the bed; the day time they spend in running after money, and in fulfilling family's demands. These people can understand only the mortal body, wife and children, and they never realize their Atma's....These confused idiots do not see even though they have eyes and the truth is in front of them. " Shri Kaulji has gone to the popular end of the spectrum of public opinion, and - since it is fashionable to criticize things which one has no understanding of- he is blissful in his ignorance. Crows cannot throw insults at the Sun, they can only display their low-nature to the observant. Let us forget his rantings (for he clearly has tAmasic qualities and has the AvEsha of daitya forces), and concentrate on worshipping vEda-garBA sarasvati at this most wonderful time. God bless you and your family.SrI narasimhAya nahahSrI durgAbhUlaxmIbhyO namahSrI mukhyaprANAya namah.hari smaraNs, prANadAsa On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Dear friends,Jai Shri RamThis anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: 1)He says:If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance!Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. 2)He saysThe planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on.How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. 3)He says:If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions only from incorrect data!Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4)He says:Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas?This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. 5) He says:Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era!Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. 6)He says:Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself?Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. 7)He says:As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose!I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8)He says:Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references.Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? 9)He says:There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. Jai Shri RamSunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Dear Sunilji, Guruji pranams, I have been following the discussion going on in the group and with all due respects enjoy the same. I read almost all the inputs of all the respected Gurujis and I have taken a special liking to the knowledge you possess. I pay all my respects to you. I am not an astrologer but have a keen interest in the same. I would like to request of you and couple of things: 1. Which is the best book or who is best person who holds the knowledge of Vedic economics, if it is you then please provide me with knowledge. 2. I would like you to comment on the same, and how it can be applied in todays context, of Global crisis. Thanks and repects, Deepak Kumar --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period WAVES-Vedic , Sunday, 27 September, 2009, 6:17 AM --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: subashrazdan@ , ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology, indiaarchaeology, USBrahmins@gro ups.com Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:38 PM Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram This anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: 1) He says: If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance! Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. 2) He says The planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on. How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. 3) He says: If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions only from incorrect data! Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4) He says: Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas? This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. 5) He says: Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era! Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. 6) He says: Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself? Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. 7) He says: As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose! I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8) He says: Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references. Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? 9) He says: There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. Jai Shri Ram Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com, hinducalendar@ . com, jyoltishgroup, " subash razdan " <subashrazdan@ > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Dear Deepakji, Are you an economist? According to me Kautilya must be given the credit for his Arthashastra yet one has to appreciate that the Vedic economics is reflected in his work. Kautilya was a pragmatic person and he realised that ideality may not alone work in the matter of states. Probably sometimes he might have thought that " End justifies the means " while formulating his policies. Further in the ancient times the kings consulted the Jyotishis, who were both astronomers and astrologers, particularly regarding the Monsoon cycles, and for such other things. You might have heard of the 60-year Monsoon cycles which coincides with the Jovian cycle and also about the two half-cycles in that. I am not an economist nor a professional Jyotishi. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, deepak kumar <jems4all wrote: deepak kumar <jems4all Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:07 PM Dear Sunilji, Guruji pranams, I have been following the discussion going on in the group and with all due respects enjoy the same. I read almost all the inputs of all the respected Gurujis and I have taken a special liking to the knowledge you possess. I pay all my respects to you. I am not an astrologer but have a keen interest in the same. I would like to request of you and couple of things: 1. Which is the best book or who is best person who holds the knowledge of Vedic economics, if it is you then please provide me with knowledge. 2. I would like you to comment on the same, and how it can be applied in todays context, of Global crisis. Thanks and repects, Deepak Kumar --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period WAVES-Vedic, Sunday, 27 September, 2009, 6:17 AM --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: subashrazdan@ , ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology, indiaarchaeology, USBrahmins@gro ups.com Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:38 PM Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram This anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: 1) He says: If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance! Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. 2) He says The planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on. How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. 3) He says: If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions only from incorrect data! Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4) He says: Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas? This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. 5) He says: Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era! Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. 6) He says: Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself? Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. 7) He says: As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose! I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8) He says: Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references. Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? 9) He says: There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. Jai Shri Ram Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com, hinducalendar@ . com, jyoltishgroup, " subash razdan " <subashrazdan@ > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Dear Guru Sunilji, Thanks for the fine advice. I am not an economist, just an enthusiast who has an interest in Vedas and other Hindu scriptures. I will definitely read Kautaliya's Arthashastra. Pranams and best wishes, Deepak --- On Mon, 28/9/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period Monday, 28 September, 2009, 5:56 AM Dear Deepakji, Are you an economist? According to me Kautilya must be given the credit for his Arthashastra yet one has to appreciate that the Vedic economics is reflected in his work. Kautilya was a pragmatic person and he realised that ideality may not alone work in the matter of states. Probably sometimes he might have thought that " End justifies the means " while formulating his policies. Further in the ancient times the kings consulted the Jyotishis, who were both astronomers and astrologers, particularly regarding the Monsoon cycles, and for such other things. You might have heard of the 60-year Monsoon cycles which coincides with the Jovian cycle and also about the two half-cycles in that. I am not an economist nor a professional Jyotishi. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, deepak kumar <jems4all > wrote: deepak kumar <jems4all > Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:07 PM Dear Sunilji, Guruji pranams, I have been following the discussion going on in the group and with all due respects enjoy the same. I read almost all the inputs of all the respected Gurujis and I have taken a special liking to the knowledge you possess. I pay all my respects to you. I am not an astrologer but have a keen interest in the same. I would like to request of you and couple of things: 1. Which is the best book or who is best person who holds the knowledge of Vedic economics, if it is you then please provide me with knowledge. 2. I would like you to comment on the same, and how it can be applied in todays context, of Global crisis. Thanks and repects, Deepak Kumar --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period WAVES-Vedic, Sunday, 27 September, 2009, 6:17 AM --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: subashrazdan@ , ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology, indiaarchaeology, USBrahmins@gro ups.com Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:38 PM Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram This anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: 1) He says: If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his own ignorance! Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. 2) He says The planetary data given in the Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so on. How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. 3) He says: If unequal division of nakshatras was followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions only from incorrect data! Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. 4) He says: Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why are they not divya-varshas? This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. 5) He says: Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common Era! Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. 6) He says: Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it himself? Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. 7) He says: As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you lose! I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. 8) He says: Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact references. Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? 9) He says: There are hundreds of thousands of jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. Jai Shri Ram Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period vedic_research_ institute Cc: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com, hinducalendar@ . com, jyoltishgroup, " subash razdan " <subashrazdan@ > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Shri Deepak Kumar ji, Jai Shri Ram! <I will definitely read Kautaliya's Arthashastra.> Pl. do so and tell the forum members Vishnugupta Kautilya a.k.a. Chanakya's advice to kings about " nakshatravidya " . Jai Shri Ram. A K Kaul , deepak kumar <jems4all wrote: > > Dear Guru Sunilji, > > Thanks for the fine advice. I am not an economist, just an enthusiast who has an interest in Vedas and other Hindu scriptures. I will definitely read Kautaliya's Arthashastra. > > Pranams and best wishes, > > Deepak > > --- On Mon, 28/9/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period > > Monday, 28 September, 2009, 5:56 AM > > > > > > > Dear Deepakji, > > Are you an economist? According to me Kautilya must be given the credit for his Arthashastra yet one has to appreciate that the Vedic economics is reflected in his work. Kautilya was a pragmatic person and he realised that ideality may not alone work in the matter of states. Probably sometimes he might have thought that " End justifies the means " while formulating his policies. > > Further in the ancient times the kings consulted the Jyotishis, who were both astronomers and astrologers, particularly regarding the Monsoon cycles, and for such other things. You might have heard of the 60-year Monsoon cycles which coincides with the Jovian cycle and also about the two half-cycles in that. > > I am not an economist nor a professional Jyotishi. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, deepak kumar <jems4all > wrote: > > deepak kumar <jems4all > > Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:07 PM > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > Guruji pranams, > > > > I have been following the discussion going on in the group and with all due respects enjoy the same. I read almost all the inputs of all the respected Gurujis and I have taken a special liking to the knowledge you possess. I pay all my respects to you. I am not an astrologer but have a keen interest in the same. > > > > I would like to request of you and couple of things: > > > > 1. Which is the best book or who is best person who holds the knowledge of Vedic economics, if it is you then please provide me with knowledge. > > > > 2. I would like you to comment on the same, and how it can be applied in todays context, of Global crisis. > > > > > > Thanks and repects, > > > > Deepak Kumar > > --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote: > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> > > Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period > > WAVES-Vedic, > > Sunday, 27 September, 2009, 6:17 AM > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote: > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> > > [vedic astrology] Re: [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period > > vedic_research_ institute > > Cc: subashrazdan@ , ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology, indiaarchaeology, USBrahmins@gro ups.com > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:38 PM > > > > Dear friends, > > Jai Shri Ram > > This anti astrology tirade of Shri kaul is gioing on for decades and I am sure the members know that. They are full of lies as I show below one by one: > > 1) > > He says: > > If the Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda > > 18/15-16, itself says, " saarpe jatav tu saumitree kuleere abyudite ravavav " > > how can anybody interpret it that Bharata and Shatrugana were born the next > > day after Shri Ram when their sun was in Karkata whereas the sun of Shri Ram > > was in Mesha? Thus Mr. Bhattacharjya himself is displaying publicly his > > own ignorance! > > Shri Kaul is either out of mind or deliberately and dishonestly trying to mislead the members. Or is he thinking that the members have not read Ramayana and they will believe whatever crap he says. In thgis way he has been lying for decades and trying to mislead the public. The verse says that Lakshmana and Shatrugha were born in karkata lagna. Shri Kaul owes an apology to the members for lying. > > 2) > > He says > > The planetary data given in the > > Adyatma Ramayana and Valmiki Ramayana is the same because both are > > interpolations, either by one and the same good for nothing jyotishi or the > > Adyatma Ramayana interpolator has copied the jyotisha interpolations of the > > VR. Such activities are very common with Jyotishis in India---Narada > > Purana has interpolations of Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsha shlokas, which in > > themselves are interpolations of a much later date in the Surya Sidhanta > > itself! Vishnudharmotara- Purana talks of a Paitamaha Sidhanta that has > > actually been purloined from Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma-gupta and so > > on. > > How can he prove that the Adhyatma Ramayana is interpolated by Vedavyasa, who composed the relevant purana. He must prove that allegation. Even if someone has interpolated the Balakanda and the Uttarakanda in the Ramayana and showed Shri ramji as God it does not mean that the astrological data could be are wrong. The ancient scholars were not dishonest like him. > > 3) > > He says: > > If unequal division of nakshatras was > > followed in India in the past, that means the system of muhurta, predictions > > and also festivals being followed these days by these very " Vedic astrologers " > > including Shri Bhattacharjya, on the basis of equal nakshatra division is > > wrong! So all the jyotisha shastras, inlcudng Brihat jatakam and Brihat > > (Varahi) Samhita etc., being followed at present also are wrong! No > > wonder, " Vedic jyotishis " like Shri Bhattacharjya are making correct > > predictions from those very works from incorrect division of nakshatras! > > That vindicates my stand that " Vedic jyotishis " can make correct predictions > > only from incorrect data! > > Shri Kaul who does not have any knowledge of astrology and is yet trying to poke his long nose in areas beyond his capacity. He is now talking of Nakshatras in connection with festivals etc. and at the same time he has been campaigning for the omission of the Nakshatras (one of the Angas) fom the Hindu Panchanga (Calendar). How can anybody tolerate such duplicity? Or is this another way of trying to divert the attention of the members from the wrong translations he sumbmitted earlier. > > 4) > > He says: > > Since Shri Bhattacharjya is a > > Paroskhya-darshi, he alone can see through his paroskhya knowledge " that by > > eleven thousand years of Ramarajya the good for nothing interpolator jyotihsi > > had meant that a so called " divya varsha " of Shri Rama had been taken as 30.5 > > years of mankind! But then Shri Bhattacharjya must explain as to how > > could Shri Rama's fourteen years of exile mean only fourteen years or his > > marriage at the age of about seventeen mean only seventeen years! Why > > are they not divya-varshas? > > This again shows the dishonesty of Shri Kaul. Nobody said that the middle five kandas could be interpolated. Only an imbecile will equate the scale of the years connected with Shri Ramji as God and that of his as man. > > 5) > > He says: > > Shri Bhattacharjya says that Dr. > > Vartak has calculated the date of Shri Ram as December 4, 7323 on the basis of > > planetary position of the VR and AR correctly. That means that Dr. > > Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya presume Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis and Mangal, > > Shani etc. planets were being calculated in India more than 9000 years back! > > India, however, does not have any records talking of Mesha etc. Rashis > > vis-Ã -vis Mangal, Shani etc. planets before the Surya Sidhanta of Maya > > the mlechha---a work of about early centuries of Common > > Era! > > Why is he conveniently ignoring the fact that Dr. Vartak first established the date of Shri Ramji around 7300 BCE from precesssional data? In the Puranic days around 3000 BCE the Rashis were used as we can see from the Puranas and Adhyatma Ramayana from the purana mentions the Rashis. How can anybody say that the rashis were not known in the Ramayana days. The Veda mentions the twelve divisions of the ecliptic. The ecliptic with the fixed nakshatras is fixed and thus the positions of the twelve divisions are automatically fixed. A zero-darsha like Shri Kaul cannot see that these twelve divisions are the twelve rashis. With such ignorance and poor receptive capacity how does he go on saying all the nonsense things in the scolarly fora. he can say whatever he likes in his own " Hinducalendar forum " , which ironically is against the Hindu calendar. > > 6) > > He says: > > Mesha etc. Rashis vis-a-vis Mangal, > > Shani etc. planets were not known anywhere in the world till about five to six > > thousand years back, earliest! But Dr. Vartak and Shri Bhattacharjya > > discovered them even much earlier---9000 years back and that also in the VR > > and AR! Thus Shri Bhattacharjya is again using his " parkoshya knowledge " of > > having " seen " Mesha etc. Rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets before anybody > > else! He is actually making a fool of a common man! Or is it > > himself? > > Shri Kaul with his " Zero knowledge " in the areas he is talking about does not know that even before me two eminent scholars from Maharashtra had shown that the Rashis are mentioned in the Veda. His just claiming that the Rashis are not in the Veda will not make the rashis vanish from the Veda. > > 7) > > He says: > > As per Dr. Vartak's " most accurate > > calculations " the Mahabharata war started on October 16, 5561 BCE. > > If Dr. Vartak is a scholar of that high caliber and a mathematical wizard > > according to Shri Bhattacharjya, why does he not agree with Dr. Vartak on the > > Mbh date? Why does Shri Bhattacharjya insist that the Mahabharata war > > took place only after July 19, 3228 BCE, since " Vedic astrologers " like Dr. B. > > V. Raman have erected " correct birth chart " (sic!) of Bhagwan Krishna for that > > date in his Notable Holroscopes. Heads I win and tails you > > lose! > > I already mentioned that Shri Kaul does not have receptive capacity. His constitution does not receive fresh information. Quite sometime ago I told him that that I accept Dr. Vartak's date of Ramji as he worked out that on the basis of the precessional data. Dr. Vartak had not considered the precessional data in case of Mahabharata and he goofed up as he considered the date of a wrong Parikshita as the basis for his dating of Mahabharata. He considered one of Arjuna's ancestor, whose nane was also Parikshit. Using the precessional data Dr. Abhankar had shown that the Mahabharata war was fought in 3139 BCE. Now I am sure Shri will conveniently forget what I have written and after sometime Shri Kaul will again forgetfully (or deliberately) mention the mistake of Dr. Vartak to discredit Dr. Vartak. I know " to err is human " and therefore I give credit to Dr. Vartak for his good work on the dating of Ramayana but a dishonest person like Shri Kaul will stop > > at nothing to disparage a scholar like Dr. Vartak..Now I am also convinced that Shri Kaul has no value for truth. > > 8) > > He says: > > Shri Bhattacharya says that the Manu > > has advised kings to consult jyotishis! He is again taking the general > > public for a ride, since he has as yet to quote the exact > > references. > > Why can he not read the Manu Smriti himself? His strategy has all along been that he will say against the Hindu shastras without giving any proof and if one contests then he will ask for proof with ready reference . Why does not he read all the verses of the Manu Smriti himself? > > 9) > > He says: > > There are hundreds of thousands of > > jyotishis in India, but Shri Bhattacharjya is the only one who is being > > prompted to counter the shastriac as well as astronomical facts!!! > > There are many scholars among the other Jyotishis in India but it appears to me that they are ignoring what Shri kaul says thinking those to be the delirium of a person, who is out of his mind. I did not want to Shri Kaul to continue his nonsensical outpourings. But it appears that he is thick-skinned and that he will go on repeating his same outpourings. That may be the reason why one member had written that Shri KIaul is being employed by an anti-Hindu agency to write against the Hindu shastras. Slowly but certainly I am beginning to think that what the person wrote could be right. That person had been advising me to stop wasting my energy in countering Shri Kaul, as no useful purpose will be served. > > Jai Shri Ram > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: > > jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> > > [VRI] DDating the Ramayana Period > > vedic_research_ institute > > Cc: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com, hinducalendar@ . com, jyoltishgroup, " subash razdan " <subashrazdan@ > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:35 AM > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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